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		<title>By: MikeTeeVee</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeTeeVee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’ll take my chances with a stationary car door any day over an 18-wheeler going 60 mph.&quot;

Doorings are far more common than hit-from-behinds.  The simple reason is that the people behind you are looking in your direction.  The people opening car doors are not.

My personal, daily cycling experience is that if there&#039;s traffic behind me, they WILL adjust for me.  They have no choice, really.

&quot;I really can’t imagine that a significant number of rational human beings are going to embrace the “it’s safer to ride out in front of the SUVs” philosophy.&quot;

The &quot;rational&quot; person knows the real risk factors and rides to minimize them, even if the least risky way to ride is the least obvious.

The concept is simple:  Act like traffic and you will be treated like traffic.

I know this is counter-intuitive.  I know many cyclists would rather be separated by paint or segregated onto paths.  And most people have as much interest in cycling as I have in playing tennis (none).

But if you like cycling and you want to cycle-commute, it&#039;s worth knowing what the real risks are, it&#039;s worth knowing that the risks are relatively low, and it&#039;s worth knowing the best ways to integrate into the existing traffic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ll take my chances with a stationary car door any day over an 18-wheeler going 60 mph.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doorings are far more common than hit-from-behinds.  The simple reason is that the people behind you are looking in your direction.  The people opening car doors are not.</p>
<p>My personal, daily cycling experience is that if there&#8217;s traffic behind me, they WILL adjust for me.  They have no choice, really.</p>
<p>&#8220;I really can’t imagine that a significant number of rational human beings are going to embrace the “it’s safer to ride out in front of the SUVs” philosophy.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;rational&#8221; person knows the real risk factors and rides to minimize them, even if the least risky way to ride is the least obvious.</p>
<p>The concept is simple:  Act like traffic and you will be treated like traffic.</p>
<p>I know this is counter-intuitive.  I know many cyclists would rather be separated by paint or segregated onto paths.  And most people have as much interest in cycling as I have in playing tennis (none).</p>
<p>But if you like cycling and you want to cycle-commute, it&#8217;s worth knowing what the real risks are, it&#8217;s worth knowing that the risks are relatively low, and it&#8217;s worth knowing the best ways to integrate into the existing traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Capricious Commuter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capricious Commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Greg L. and FTSandy illustrate the two main types of commute situations, with Greg&#039;s being the more likely one. Sandy lives conveniently near transit, so she uses it regularly. Greg doesn&#039;t because it&#039;s not close enough to be practical. Of course, there&#039;s another type, the person who lives and works near transit and decides to drive anyway because it&#039;s more convenient to have the car close at hand all the time (the main reason, I think), because the car is so expensive and/or pimped out that it would seem a waste to leave it parked or because the person simply can&#039;t stand to ride transit among the unwashed masses.

As for the whole bicycle-open door-lane of traffic debate, I really can&#039;t imagine that a significant number of rational human beings are going to embrace the &quot;it&#039;s safer to ride out in front of the SUVs&quot; philosophy. I&#039;ll take my chances with a stationary car door any day over an 18-wheeler going 60 mph. On the other hand, I became quite happy scooting past rush-hour traffic in downtown Oakland on my way to the Jack London Square Amtrak station. The traffic was almost always as slow as I was, and often lined up for a red light. Now I&#039;m faced with fewer red lights, faster traffic, more tractor-trailer rigs. I may not be the world&#039;s biggest wimp, but I am not ashamed to say that I do about 40 percent of my riding beetween work and the Amtrak station on the sidewalk. One of these days i&#039;m going to start packing a whisk broom, making regular stops to sweep the glass...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Greg L. and FTSandy illustrate the two main types of commute situations, with Greg&#8217;s being the more likely one. Sandy lives conveniently near transit, so she uses it regularly. Greg doesn&#8217;t because it&#8217;s not close enough to be practical. Of course, there&#8217;s another type, the person who lives and works near transit and decides to drive anyway because it&#8217;s more convenient to have the car close at hand all the time (the main reason, I think), because the car is so expensive and/or pimped out that it would seem a waste to leave it parked or because the person simply can&#8217;t stand to ride transit among the unwashed masses.</p>
<p>As for the whole bicycle-open door-lane of traffic debate, I really can&#8217;t imagine that a significant number of rational human beings are going to embrace the &#8220;it&#8217;s safer to ride out in front of the SUVs&#8221; philosophy. I&#8217;ll take my chances with a stationary car door any day over an 18-wheeler going 60 mph. On the other hand, I became quite happy scooting past rush-hour traffic in downtown Oakland on my way to the Jack London Square Amtrak station. The traffic was almost always as slow as I was, and often lined up for a red light. Now I&#8217;m faced with fewer red lights, faster traffic, more tractor-trailer rigs. I may not be the world&#8217;s biggest wimp, but I am not ashamed to say that I do about 40 percent of my riding beetween work and the Amtrak station on the sidewalk. One of these days i&#8217;m going to start packing a whisk broom, making regular stops to sweep the glass&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I don’t watch TV, but I’ve polled friends who do and they admit that there is never a single character on the tube who rides a bike. &quot;

So true, I never did see Jerry Sienfeld ride that mountain bike hanging from his apartment ceiling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t watch TV, but I’ve polled friends who do and they admit that there is never a single character on the tube who rides a bike. &#8221;</p>
<p>So true, I never did see Jerry Sienfeld ride that mountain bike hanging from his apartment ceiling.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Faunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Faunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: what timote said, but we need to make non-automobile travel easier to attract users, that&#039;s the carrot; motorists are being their own stick.
We need to get non-automobile facilities into the same upwards spiral that automobile facilities are in (and have been in for a long time, but it&#039;s flattening).  Of course, there are a LOT of people who are invested in the existing upward spiral- oil companies, automobile companies, service stations, builders of roads and parking structures, CALTRANS, etc...  How many people in government are involved in servicing the existing automotive infrastructure?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: what timote said, but we need to make non-automobile travel easier to attract users, that&#8217;s the carrot; motorists are being their own stick.<br />
We need to get non-automobile facilities into the same upwards spiral that automobile facilities are in (and have been in for a long time, but it&#8217;s flattening).  Of course, there are a LOT of people who are invested in the existing upward spiral- oil companies, automobile companies, service stations, builders of roads and parking structures, CALTRANS, etc&#8230;  How many people in government are involved in servicing the existing automotive infrastructure?</p>
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		<title>By: timote</title>
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		<dc:creator>timote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Running out of oil will not solve the issue. It is likely that we&#039;ll just find another source of portable energy to power our little (ha) cars - be it ethanol (corn or other), hydrogen (fuel cell), electricity (battery), etc. Of course, how we generate those portable sources of energy may be as problematic as oil anyways if we&#039;re not careful.

As for biking, there is a chicken and the egg issue going on here - I think it is patently true that commuting via bike is not easy and is scary in the majority of the Bay Area. Whether that is because the infrastructure doesn&#039;t exist or if the infrastructure doesn&#039;t exist because people don&#039;t do it is besides the point. It just is, and the better question is how do we get from point A where we are to a mythical point B where we want to get to?

Investing heavily in infrastructure (whether that be bike lanes, buses and/or railway) that people don&#039;t use is a difficult sell, even in the Bay Area. We&#039;ll need a fundamental shift in individual behavior, and that will only be accomplished by either appealing to people&#039;s self-interest or by a concerted effort ala smoking. However, the risks are not as obvious as smoking, so I think that one&#039;s out at least for the moment. That leaves self-interest: commuting via car will have to be painful enough and commuting via public transit easy enough for people to want to do it. As long as we continue to invest heavily in expansion of roads and bridges but not nearly as much in public transit, this is unlikely to occur anytime soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Running out of oil will not solve the issue. It is likely that we&#8217;ll just find another source of portable energy to power our little (ha) cars &#8211; be it ethanol (corn or other), hydrogen (fuel cell), electricity (battery), etc. Of course, how we generate those portable sources of energy may be as problematic as oil anyways if we&#8217;re not careful.</p>
<p>As for biking, there is a chicken and the egg issue going on here &#8211; I think it is patently true that commuting via bike is not easy and is scary in the majority of the Bay Area. Whether that is because the infrastructure doesn&#8217;t exist or if the infrastructure doesn&#8217;t exist because people don&#8217;t do it is besides the point. It just is, and the better question is how do we get from point A where we are to a mythical point B where we want to get to?</p>
<p>Investing heavily in infrastructure (whether that be bike lanes, buses and/or railway) that people don&#8217;t use is a difficult sell, even in the Bay Area. We&#8217;ll need a fundamental shift in individual behavior, and that will only be accomplished by either appealing to people&#8217;s self-interest or by a concerted effort ala smoking. However, the risks are not as obvious as smoking, so I think that one&#8217;s out at least for the moment. That leaves self-interest: commuting via car will have to be painful enough and commuting via public transit easy enough for people to want to do it. As long as we continue to invest heavily in expansion of roads and bridges but not nearly as much in public transit, this is unlikely to occur anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Schatmeier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Schatmeier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The falacy in this article is the notion that commuters weigh alternative modes for relative comfort, speed and convenience. Transportation planners dream of raising the consciousness of potential users enough to get them to compare the virtues of driving alone with the benefits of ridesharing. Their problem is that most commuters don&#039;t weigh anything. They automatically drive. A tiny few of us assume that we will be commuting by public transportation. We choose our jobs and our home locations with convenient transit access as an essential attribute. But to most, this kind of access is irrelevant because they expect to drive. And nothing in American life discourages them from this expectation. By contrast, the transit customer is constantly faced with service cuts, fare increases and unreliable service that tell him he&#039;s either an oddball or a fool for choosing buses, trains or boats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The falacy in this article is the notion that commuters weigh alternative modes for relative comfort, speed and convenience. Transportation planners dream of raising the consciousness of potential users enough to get them to compare the virtues of driving alone with the benefits of ridesharing. Their problem is that most commuters don&#8217;t weigh anything. They automatically drive. A tiny few of us assume that we will be commuting by public transportation. We choose our jobs and our home locations with convenient transit access as an essential attribute. But to most, this kind of access is irrelevant because they expect to drive. And nothing in American life discourages them from this expectation. By contrast, the transit customer is constantly faced with service cuts, fare increases and unreliable service that tell him he&#8217;s either an oddball or a fool for choosing buses, trains or boats.</p>
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		<title>By: james van dyke</title>
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		<dc:creator>james van dyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This comment needs a reality check: &quot;The Bay Area will never be Amsterdam or Copenhagen, which are both flat and not nearly as sprawling as the Bay Area.&quot; For one, you&#039;re comparing individual cities with a broad, diverse region, and there are cities within the Bay Area that are flat with high density, such as downtown San Jose. The greatest problem is that the incentives are all oriented to cars: lousy paths, cheap oil, poor mass transit, etc. Yet one advantage of the Bay Area was not mentioned, which is that our weather makes it far more favorable to cycle here. Bottom line, the author of the comment in question is simply making a personal choice, and explaining it away doesn&#039;t make the problems of pollution, obesity and national security disappear (yet bicycling can help).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment needs a reality check: &#8220;The Bay Area will never be Amsterdam or Copenhagen, which are both flat and not nearly as sprawling as the Bay Area.&#8221; For one, you&#8217;re comparing individual cities with a broad, diverse region, and there are cities within the Bay Area that are flat with high density, such as downtown San Jose. The greatest problem is that the incentives are all oriented to cars: lousy paths, cheap oil, poor mass transit, etc. Yet one advantage of the Bay Area was not mentioned, which is that our weather makes it far more favorable to cycle here. Bottom line, the author of the comment in question is simply making a personal choice, and explaining it away doesn&#8217;t make the problems of pollution, obesity and national security disappear (yet bicycling can help).</p>
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		<title>By: sxa-roo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; comfort the lazy and get thee to work</title>
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		<dc:creator>sxa-roo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; comfort the lazy and get thee to work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] more here  This entry was posted on Friday, October 19th, 2007 at 7:40 pm and is filed under nuclear family. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more here  This entry was posted on Friday, October 19th, 2007 at 7:40 pm and is filed under nuclear family. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: elliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You’re safe inside your little cage&quot;? 36000 Americans die in their cars each year, making it the leading cause of death among the young and middle-aged.

That &quot;babbling psychiatric out-patient&quot; is a lot safer than your average mainstream Jane or Joe babbling away on their cell phone while driving in the lane next to you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You’re safe inside your little cage&#8221;? 36000 Americans die in their cars each year, making it the leading cause of death among the young and middle-aged.</p>
<p>That &#8220;babbling psychiatric out-patient&#8221; is a lot safer than your average mainstream Jane or Joe babbling away on their cell phone while driving in the lane next to you!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeTeeVee</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeTeeVee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;My main fear, people opening their car doors into traffic just as I’m approaching them.&quot;

The solution to this fear is to ride outside the &quot;door zone&quot;.  That requires getting over the &quot;hit from behind&quot; fear.

It&#039;s counter-intuitive, especially in our culture, but riding to the left of such hazards, being firmly in the travel lane, is the safest way to ride a bike.  This is especially true at intersections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My main fear, people opening their car doors into traffic just as I’m approaching them.&#8221;</p>
<p>The solution to this fear is to ride outside the &#8220;door zone&#8221;.  That requires getting over the &#8220;hit from behind&#8221; fear.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s counter-intuitive, especially in our culture, but riding to the left of such hazards, being firmly in the travel lane, is the safest way to ride a bike.  This is especially true at intersections.</p>
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