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		<title>By: Capricious Commuter</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2008/04/23/id-rather-be-riding-the-bullet-train/comment-page-1/#comment-3153</link>
		<dc:creator>Capricious Commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martin, I&#039;m disappointed in you, too. You turned down a chance to be on &quot;Forum&quot; to go head-to-head with Quentin Kopp! I would have tuned in for that exchange, but alas, it is not to be. As for the other stuff, it&#039;s been a long week and I don&#039;t have the energy to get into it right now. Chalk it up to the media shirking its responsibilities once again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, I&#8217;m disappointed in you, too. You turned down a chance to be on &#8220;Forum&#8221; to go head-to-head with Quentin Kopp! I would have tuned in for that exchange, but alas, it is not to be. As for the other stuff, it&#8217;s been a long week and I don&#8217;t have the energy to get into it right now. Chalk it up to the media shirking its responsibilities once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Schatmeier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Schatmeier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on, Martin Engel. We poor, persecuted, bullet train skeptics, are constantly beaten, ostracized and, yes, sometimes killed, for fighting the lonely fight to preserve the sanity of our current transportation system! Attempting, over astronomical odds, and before our pitiful underground media outlets are cut off from us by advocacy fascists, to show that continuous, unlimited public resources should be limited to only one transportation mode, the one that we use.

And the insidious influence of the advocates has even taken over government. Governor Schwarzen has been steamrollered into putting trains on the ballot and letting the people decide. What a cockeyed way to make transportation policy! Everyone knows that we didn&#039;t allow &quot;the people&quot; to design our current system. Can you imagine if there&#039;d been a statewide vote on Interstate 5? The &quot;people&quot; might have said no! And where would that have left the truck stop industry?

So what should true believers in common sense do? How can they stem the rising tide of advocacy that has taken over media, government and business? For one thing, keep fighting the good fight! There were plenty of studies done in the 50&#039;s that showed that rail and public transportation were inconvenient and inflexible. As a result, today&#039;s transportation promotes freedom and independence (as long as you stay off the roads between 5 a.m. and 9 a.m. and between 3 p.m. and 7 p.m.). We need to get back to the days when privately financed rail lines were torn up and replaced by publicly funded roads and people learned the benefits of living far from where they worked in neighborhoods where everybody was exactly like them. We need to return to a time where governors and U.S. presidents always mention High Speed Rail in the State of the Union or state addresses and then allot about $100 to it in their budgets. And we need to return to a day when the news media talks about the &quot;car culture&quot; and America&#039;s &quot;love affair with the automobile&quot; as an immutable feature of American life instead of claiming that trains actually work in places like Germany, France and Japan. (Actually, it&#039;s common knowledge that, like the so-called &quot;Lunar Landings,&quot; footage, the CapCom&#039;s High Speed Rail video is a hoax.). Finally, what we really need is a leader, a champion, a fighter like Charlton Hest to lead our cause and keep hope alive.

In the meantime, I repeat. &quot;Right on Martin Engel.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Martin Engel. We poor, persecuted, bullet train skeptics, are constantly beaten, ostracized and, yes, sometimes killed, for fighting the lonely fight to preserve the sanity of our current transportation system! Attempting, over astronomical odds, and before our pitiful underground media outlets are cut off from us by advocacy fascists, to show that continuous, unlimited public resources should be limited to only one transportation mode, the one that we use.</p>
<p>And the insidious influence of the advocates has even taken over government. Governor Schwarzen has been steamrollered into putting trains on the ballot and letting the people decide. What a cockeyed way to make transportation policy! Everyone knows that we didn&#8217;t allow &#8220;the people&#8221; to design our current system. Can you imagine if there&#8217;d been a statewide vote on Interstate 5? The &#8220;people&#8221; might have said no! And where would that have left the truck stop industry?</p>
<p>So what should true believers in common sense do? How can they stem the rising tide of advocacy that has taken over media, government and business? For one thing, keep fighting the good fight! There were plenty of studies done in the 50&#8242;s that showed that rail and public transportation were inconvenient and inflexible. As a result, today&#8217;s transportation promotes freedom and independence (as long as you stay off the roads between 5 a.m. and 9 a.m. and between 3 p.m. and 7 p.m.). We need to get back to the days when privately financed rail lines were torn up and replaced by publicly funded roads and people learned the benefits of living far from where they worked in neighborhoods where everybody was exactly like them. We need to return to a time where governors and U.S. presidents always mention High Speed Rail in the State of the Union or state addresses and then allot about $100 to it in their budgets. And we need to return to a day when the news media talks about the &#8220;car culture&#8221; and America&#8217;s &#8220;love affair with the automobile&#8221; as an immutable feature of American life instead of claiming that trains actually work in places like Germany, France and Japan. (Actually, it&#8217;s common knowledge that, like the so-called &#8220;Lunar Landings,&#8221; footage, the CapCom&#8217;s High Speed Rail video is a hoax.). Finally, what we really need is a leader, a champion, a fighter like Charlton Hest to lead our cause and keep hope alive.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I repeat. &#8220;Right on Martin Engel.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: david vartanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>david vartanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martin, Erik and all, Of course the ## are smoke and mirrors.  BUT, so have been the estimates for essentially ALL major infrastructure projects in human history.  The Transcontinental RR, the Big Drip(Dig), the Interstates, the Chunnel, all cost double or more than promised.  And, we won&#039;t even talk about the $72 hex wrenches DOD buys.  From where I sit, even @ $40 billion to build full HSR for the state, the benefit in decreased auto/airplane pollution makes it worthwhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, Erik and all, Of course the ## are smoke and mirrors.  BUT, so have been the estimates for essentially ALL major infrastructure projects in human history.  The Transcontinental RR, the Big Drip(Dig), the Interstates, the Chunnel, all cost double or more than promised.  And, we won&#8217;t even talk about the $72 hex wrenches DOD buys.  From where I sit, even @ $40 billion to build full HSR for the state, the benefit in decreased auto/airplane pollution makes it worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Engel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Engel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erik, apparently you have been swept away by the tide of passionate advocacy that fills the blogosphere.  As I have learned, any challenges, questioning or skepticism regarding the high-speed train religion will result in excommunication and witch burning.

Please, please think a moment.  Doesn’t anything this expensive, with such grandiose promises, warrant some thoughtfulness?

Does it not strike you as problematic when they promise 117 million riders annually?  How about the $55. tickets from SF to LA?  How about the $3 billion in annual revenue and $1 billion in annual profits? How about the 450,000 new permanent jobs?  How about the $40 billion in total costs with no tax increases or additional state funding?
How about their voter polling data?  How about their comparisons of current emissions of cars and planes vs. the train’s superior performance in 18 years?  Does none of this raise some eyebrows?  How about the fact-free comparisons with Japan and Europe as prototypes to be envied and copied here, as if that made sense?

Are you not struck by the relentless repetition of the same “facts,” taken from their press-releases, as if these are hard empirical data, rather than projections, speculation and guesses?  If you have looked at all at the history of the lead participants in their political machinations to get this project on the books, doesn’t some doubt creep into you mind and suggest that further investigation might be called for?  Doesn’t the name Parsons Brinckerhoff raise some red flags in your mind?

Erik, I cannot tell you how disappointed I am with the press for its failure to do its
job to ask the hard questions, rather than parrot those easy and questionable answers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik, apparently you have been swept away by the tide of passionate advocacy that fills the blogosphere.  As I have learned, any challenges, questioning or skepticism regarding the high-speed train religion will result in excommunication and witch burning.</p>
<p>Please, please think a moment.  Doesn’t anything this expensive, with such grandiose promises, warrant some thoughtfulness?</p>
<p>Does it not strike you as problematic when they promise 117 million riders annually?  How about the $55. tickets from SF to LA?  How about the $3 billion in annual revenue and $1 billion in annual profits? How about the 450,000 new permanent jobs?  How about the $40 billion in total costs with no tax increases or additional state funding?<br />
How about their voter polling data?  How about their comparisons of current emissions of cars and planes vs. the train’s superior performance in 18 years?  Does none of this raise some eyebrows?  How about the fact-free comparisons with Japan and Europe as prototypes to be envied and copied here, as if that made sense?</p>
<p>Are you not struck by the relentless repetition of the same “facts,” taken from their press-releases, as if these are hard empirical data, rather than projections, speculation and guesses?  If you have looked at all at the history of the lead participants in their political machinations to get this project on the books, doesn’t some doubt creep into you mind and suggest that further investigation might be called for?  Doesn’t the name Parsons Brinckerhoff raise some red flags in your mind?</p>
<p>Erik, I cannot tell you how disappointed I am with the press for its failure to do its<br />
job to ask the hard questions, rather than parrot those easy and questionable answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Reedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A vocabulary correction to my previous post here: the catenary is the overhead wire. The pantograph is the mechanical arm on the train that pushes up against the wire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A vocabulary correction to my previous post here: the catenary is the overhead wire. The pantograph is the mechanical arm on the train that pushes up against the wire.</p>
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		<title>By: Reedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I work with French engineers, and showed one of them the video that heads this article:
-- it is the record speed run of TGV (French bullet train). Top speed of 574.8 kilometers per hour (357.2 miles per hour).
-- at about 0:38 seconds in, a bug hits the camera. (If someone was on the track, they would look the same ...)
-- Alstom (original spelling was Alsthom) is the company that does all the hardware work for the TGV system. They originally were in the electric motor business, and are now the contractor for all the TGV work. They build the Amtrak California trains, and built the 1980 vintage C1 BART trains.
-- SNCF, the French railroad company, had $1 billion euros profit last year. This is due to passengers. It loses money on freight. There is a separate money-losing company that actually owns and operates the tracks.
-- When a train goes down the line, the catenary pushes up on the feed wire, and this creates a mechanical wave that travels both directions. To perform the record breaking run, the wire had to be re-tensioned to a very high value to prevent the wire from separating from the pickup (you can see some of the arcing in the video).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work with French engineers, and showed one of them the video that heads this article:<br />
&#8211; it is the record speed run of TGV (French bullet train). Top speed of 574.8 kilometers per hour (357.2 miles per hour).<br />
&#8211; at about 0:38 seconds in, a bug hits the camera. (If someone was on the track, they would look the same &#8230;)<br />
&#8211; Alstom (original spelling was Alsthom) is the company that does all the hardware work for the TGV system. They originally were in the electric motor business, and are now the contractor for all the TGV work. They build the Amtrak California trains, and built the 1980 vintage C1 BART trains.<br />
&#8211; SNCF, the French railroad company, had $1 billion euros profit last year. This is due to passengers. It loses money on freight. There is a separate money-losing company that actually owns and operates the tracks.<br />
&#8211; When a train goes down the line, the catenary pushes up on the feed wire, and this creates a mechanical wave that travels both directions. To perform the record breaking run, the wire had to be re-tensioned to a very high value to prevent the wire from separating from the pickup (you can see some of the arcing in the video).</p>
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		<title>By: Becks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad you&#039;re coming around on HSR. Your McCain analogy is fitting in some ways, except that I&#039;d be shocked to hear McCain supporting HSR. He&#039;s no public transit supporter and even wants to cut all federal funding to Amtrak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re coming around on HSR. Your McCain analogy is fitting in some ways, except that I&#8217;d be shocked to hear McCain supporting HSR. He&#8217;s no public transit supporter and even wants to cut all federal funding to Amtrak.</p>
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		<title>By: Capricious Commuter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capricious Commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, the pogo sticks didn&#039;t materialize, making for a much less photogenic CalPIRG event.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the pogo sticks didn&#8217;t materialize, making for a much less photogenic CalPIRG event.</p>
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		<title>By: Capricious Commuter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capricious Commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert, I assume that by several years, you mean a dozen. The latest estimate from CHSRA is 2020 for revenue service. You make a good point about Spain, especially, showing the rest of the world that it can be done, even in today&#039;s challenging political and economic climate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I assume that by several years, you mean a dozen. The latest estimate from CHSRA is 2020 for revenue service. You make a good point about Spain, especially, showing the rest of the world that it can be done, even in today&#8217;s challenging political and economic climate.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cruickshank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, most European systems are much more recent. The first TGV line opened in 1981 and the first AVE line (Spain) opened in 1992. The AVE system has been massively expanded in the last 4 years and is in the midst of a big construction boom - by 2010 one will be able to ride from Malaga on the southern Spanish coast to Paris on high speed rail.

What France, Spain, and Taiwan all show is that you don&#039;t need to have had a 30-year head start. There is still time to start HSR projects today and have them up and running within several years. It would have been best if CA had voted on the HSR bonds in 2004, but we&#039;ll take 2008.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, most European systems are much more recent. The first TGV line opened in 1981 and the first AVE line (Spain) opened in 1992. The AVE system has been massively expanded in the last 4 years and is in the midst of a big construction boom &#8211; by 2010 one will be able to ride from Malaga on the southern Spanish coast to Paris on high speed rail.</p>
<p>What France, Spain, and Taiwan all show is that you don&#8217;t need to have had a 30-year head start. There is still time to start HSR projects today and have them up and running within several years. It would have been best if CA had voted on the HSR bonds in 2004, but we&#8217;ll take 2008.</p>
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