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	<title>Comments on: the battle for Proposition 1 begins</title>
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		<title>By: Guy Span</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Span</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too, thought the Pacheco Pass alignment was goofy, until I went down there and looked at it.  Grade, elevation and tunnels are less than the Altamont.  And for those worried about development, there will be no stops between Gilroy and the Big Valley (Merced).

Pacheco is a bit out of the way for service to Saramento, Oakland, and Livermore and the Altamont obviates the need for need for condemning property south of the new bridge.  However blasting through the coast range either at Niles or on the interstate will still cause problems with grade and existing overhead bridges.

Pacheco appears slightly less convenient (for the East Bay) but slightly more expensive. I&#039;ll take any service rather thna no service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too, thought the Pacheco Pass alignment was goofy, until I went down there and looked at it.  Grade, elevation and tunnels are less than the Altamont.  And for those worried about development, there will be no stops between Gilroy and the Big Valley (Merced).</p>
<p>Pacheco is a bit out of the way for service to Saramento, Oakland, and Livermore and the Altamont obviates the need for need for condemning property south of the new bridge.  However blasting through the coast range either at Niles or on the interstate will still cause problems with grade and existing overhead bridges.</p>
<p>Pacheco appears slightly less convenient (for the East Bay) but slightly more expensive. I&#8217;ll take any service rather thna no service.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeOnBike</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeOnBike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reedman Says: &quot;The Pacheco Pass decision is the one without the political influence.&quot;

Now THAT&#039;s funny!

Of course a project of this size is going to be political.  How could it not be?

Altamont vs. Pacheco was a technical decision based on populations within city boundaries?  Riiiight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reedman Says: &#8220;The Pacheco Pass decision is the one without the political influence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now THAT&#8217;s funny!</p>
<p>Of course a project of this size is going to be political.  How could it not be?</p>
<p>Altamont vs. Pacheco was a technical decision based on populations within city boundaries?  Riiiight.</p>
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		<title>By: Reedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Pacheco Pass decision is the one without the political influence. San Jose is 10th largest city in the country, the third largest in the state. Common sense says the HSR route should favor it over smaller burgs like Oakland, San Francisco, and Sacramento.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pacheco Pass decision is the one without the political influence. San Jose is 10th largest city in the country, the third largest in the state. Common sense says the HSR route should favor it over smaller burgs like Oakland, San Francisco, and Sacramento.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[High speed rail needs to be included in our national transportation policy in a way that integrates HSR with airports and highways, to take advantage of each mode&#039;s strengths.

UNFORTUNATELY, California high-speed rail plan has been hijacked by the political animals on the CAHSRA board and staff. The Pacheco decision is a blatant abuse of proper choice of alignment, manipulated by Rod Diridon to favor San Jose interests. The ideal HSR system would come into the Bay Area over the Altamont, and split 3 ways: 1) through SFO and into downtown SF, 2) down to SJ Airport, and 3) up to the Oakland airport. Anybody with a map, however, would recognize that this would obsolete BART. Much of the political push to relocate HSR over the Pacheco is coming from the &quot;BART Preservation Society&quot;. It&#039;s no coincidence that Quentin Kopp is on the CAHSRA board, since he was the main backer of the ridiculous BART-SFO overpass into the International Terminal, despite all transportation planner recommendations to the contrary.

I&#039;m all for HSR, but this plan in California is something I can&#039;t get behind. Ed Jordan (former Chair of CA High Speed Rail) quit because he was disgusted with the political influence over key decisions. I&#039;m also disgusted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High speed rail needs to be included in our national transportation policy in a way that integrates HSR with airports and highways, to take advantage of each mode&#8217;s strengths.</p>
<p>UNFORTUNATELY, California high-speed rail plan has been hijacked by the political animals on the CAHSRA board and staff. The Pacheco decision is a blatant abuse of proper choice of alignment, manipulated by Rod Diridon to favor San Jose interests. The ideal HSR system would come into the Bay Area over the Altamont, and split 3 ways: 1) through SFO and into downtown SF, 2) down to SJ Airport, and 3) up to the Oakland airport. Anybody with a map, however, would recognize that this would obsolete BART. Much of the political push to relocate HSR over the Pacheco is coming from the &#8220;BART Preservation Society&#8221;. It&#8217;s no coincidence that Quentin Kopp is on the CAHSRA board, since he was the main backer of the ridiculous BART-SFO overpass into the International Terminal, despite all transportation planner recommendations to the contrary.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for HSR, but this plan in California is something I can&#8217;t get behind. Ed Jordan (former Chair of CA High Speed Rail) quit because he was disgusted with the political influence over key decisions. I&#8217;m also disgusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Concernicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concernicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I am not in a position to intelligently (enough) defend the governor in any way shape or form, I can say that he has a lot more serious issues on his plate than I do.  I do, however, believe he has taken some good steps in at least exploring other options to solving our state&#039;s infrastructure problems.  The looming $15 billion budget deficit doesn&#039;t make it any easier.  Speaking of budget deficits -- I thought you all might find this blurb from a story in another publication interesting:

The public sector was the single largest source of new jobs in the state, adding 4,600 new jobs in April alone. “The statistic can&#039;t help but stand out given the state&#039;s worsening budget situation,” says the Beacon Economics report.

Interesting.  The U.S. Board of Labor reported that 65,000 people lost their jobs in June alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am not in a position to intelligently (enough) defend the governor in any way shape or form, I can say that he has a lot more serious issues on his plate than I do.  I do, however, believe he has taken some good steps in at least exploring other options to solving our state&#8217;s infrastructure problems.  The looming $15 billion budget deficit doesn&#8217;t make it any easier.  Speaking of budget deficits &#8212; I thought you all might find this blurb from a story in another publication interesting:</p>
<p>The public sector was the single largest source of new jobs in the state, adding 4,600 new jobs in April alone. “The statistic can&#8217;t help but stand out given the state&#8217;s worsening budget situation,” says the Beacon Economics report.</p>
<p>Interesting.  The U.S. Board of Labor reported that 65,000 people lost their jobs in June alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cruickshank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am SO not a defender of this governor. But in fairness, and it pains me to even saying this, Mendelsohn was likely referring to school and roads infrastructure, which were &quot;looked at&quot; in 2006 with the bonds passed that year. I quite strongly agree that our governor has badly neglected schools in particular but in his mind it&#039;s &quot;done&quot; because of the seismic retrofit bond.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am SO not a defender of this governor. But in fairness, and it pains me to even saying this, Mendelsohn was likely referring to school and roads infrastructure, which were &#8220;looked at&#8221; in 2006 with the bonds passed that year. I quite strongly agree that our governor has badly neglected schools in particular but in his mind it&#8217;s &#8220;done&#8221; because of the seismic retrofit bond.</p>
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		<title>By: Capricious Commuter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capricious Commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Concernicus, you seem to have broken the code, noticing that he used the words &quot;looked at,&quot; rather than &quot;improved to modern standards.&quot; In fairness, the promoters of the 2006 infrastructure bonds were very good about saying the billions were only a down-payment on a more looming infrastructure need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concernicus, you seem to have broken the code, noticing that he used the words &#8220;looked at,&#8221; rather than &#8220;improved to modern standards.&#8221; In fairness, the promoters of the 2006 infrastructure bonds were very good about saying the billions were only a down-payment on a more looming infrastructure need.</p>
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		<title>By: Concernicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concernicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“We had to look at the roads, we had to look at the schools and we had to look at the levees first,” Mendelsohn told me. “Now that we have done that, the governor believes that it is time for the high-speed rail.”

I can only assume that the roads, schools and levees were &quot;looked at&quot; with rose colored glasses if the state of California was able to move on to high-speed rail.  Our current systems of roads, highways, rail lines and public transportation systems are in such a decrepit and outdated state that they will soon be laughed at by even the world&#039;s poorest nations.

While our state moves forward with high-speed rail, which I might add it vital to our state&#039;s economic and environmental future, I suggest we take a second look at the roads, schools and levees, all of which are in need of funding and have suffered from decades of neglect and underinvestment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We had to look at the roads, we had to look at the schools and we had to look at the levees first,” Mendelsohn told me. “Now that we have done that, the governor believes that it is time for the high-speed rail.”</p>
<p>I can only assume that the roads, schools and levees were &#8220;looked at&#8221; with rose colored glasses if the state of California was able to move on to high-speed rail.  Our current systems of roads, highways, rail lines and public transportation systems are in such a decrepit and outdated state that they will soon be laughed at by even the world&#8217;s poorest nations.</p>
<p>While our state moves forward with high-speed rail, which I might add it vital to our state&#8217;s economic and environmental future, I suggest we take a second look at the roads, schools and levees, all of which are in need of funding and have suffered from decades of neglect and underinvestment.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those critical of the Governor&#039;s reluctance to campaign on behalf of a massive infrastructure project that he has already endorsed in principle should consider the following cautionary tale:

In Bavaria (Germany), former Prime Minister Edmund Stoiber had for many years aggressively championed a Transrapid (maglev) line from the center of Munich to its new airport, some 25 miles to the north. This was supposed to be an eat-your-own-dog-food showcase designed to ramp up export contracts, which so far remain limited to a single similar project in Shanghai. For such short distances, the time savings relative to conventional rail technology amount to just a few minutes, so public support was uncertain in spite of supposedly moderate construction cost. Only after Stoiber was forced to resign in the context of an unrelated scandal did the companies in the Transrapid consortium roughly double the price tag to reflect their actual cost. Voters promptly nixed the project in favor of something appropriate to local transportation needs, as opposed to high-falutin&#039; industrial policy.

Conclusion: if highly visible political figures become evangelists for a project too early in its gestation process, this can undermine the objectivity of the planning process and ultimately, voter support. If their endorsement comes late in the game, they risk being labeled as opportunists. Timing is everything. If the State Assembly and Senate reach agreement on the verbiage of AB3034, IMHO the Governor will have to come off the fence one way or the other. Hopefully, various amendments designed to limit the financial risk to the state will be sufficient to secure his active participation in marketing Prop 1 to the California electorate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those critical of the Governor&#8217;s reluctance to campaign on behalf of a massive infrastructure project that he has already endorsed in principle should consider the following cautionary tale:</p>
<p>In Bavaria (Germany), former Prime Minister Edmund Stoiber had for many years aggressively championed a Transrapid (maglev) line from the center of Munich to its new airport, some 25 miles to the north. This was supposed to be an eat-your-own-dog-food showcase designed to ramp up export contracts, which so far remain limited to a single similar project in Shanghai. For such short distances, the time savings relative to conventional rail technology amount to just a few minutes, so public support was uncertain in spite of supposedly moderate construction cost. Only after Stoiber was forced to resign in the context of an unrelated scandal did the companies in the Transrapid consortium roughly double the price tag to reflect their actual cost. Voters promptly nixed the project in favor of something appropriate to local transportation needs, as opposed to high-falutin&#8217; industrial policy.</p>
<p>Conclusion: if highly visible political figures become evangelists for a project too early in its gestation process, this can undermine the objectivity of the planning process and ultimately, voter support. If their endorsement comes late in the game, they risk being labeled as opportunists. Timing is everything. If the State Assembly and Senate reach agreement on the verbiage of AB3034, IMHO the Governor will have to come off the fence one way or the other. Hopefully, various amendments designed to limit the financial risk to the state will be sufficient to secure his active participation in marketing Prop 1 to the California electorate.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cruickshank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have the floor? To say what? You made the case pretty well. I might add the airline crisis and global warming but it is unquestionable that gas prices are the key for most voters. Gas will probably be less than $4.50 by November, as part of the usual fluctuations, but voters aren&#039;t going to forget this - especially as they now realize cheap oil is gone for good.

I&#039;m not a fan of Arnold&#039;s term in office, as a cursory glance at Calitics will show. But if he wants to campaign for HSR more power to him. He desperately needs something to leave as a legacy for the state, since he has little else positive to show for his five years in office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the floor? To say what? You made the case pretty well. I might add the airline crisis and global warming but it is unquestionable that gas prices are the key for most voters. Gas will probably be less than $4.50 by November, as part of the usual fluctuations, but voters aren&#8217;t going to forget this &#8211; especially as they now realize cheap oil is gone for good.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a fan of Arnold&#8217;s term in office, as a cursory glance at Calitics will show. But if he wants to campaign for HSR more power to him. He desperately needs something to leave as a legacy for the state, since he has little else positive to show for his five years in office.</p>
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