Comments on: Okay, Karen – here’s a hard one for you http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2009/06/04/okay-karen-heres-a-hard-one-for-you/ Getting around the Bay Area with Denis Cuff and the Queen of the Road Tue, 17 May 2011 06:04:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Queen http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2009/06/04/okay-karen-heres-a-hard-one-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-4660 Queen Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:37:47 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/?p=787#comment-4660 P.S.: In case the Queen failed to be absolutely clear, both David Vartanoff and Steven L. are winners. Hey Karen! You can jump in too if you like! P.S.: In case the Queen failed to be absolutely clear, both David Vartanoff and Steven L. are winners. Hey Karen! You can jump in too if you like!

]]> By: Queen http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2009/06/04/okay-karen-heres-a-hard-one-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-4659 Queen Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:35:09 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/?p=787#comment-4659 Okay, well, you have both displayed such breadth of knowledge that I declare you both winners! You can e-mail ccncommuter@bayareanewsgroup.com to let me know the address where your prizes should be sent. Also you have a choice of prizes, so drop me a note. While we're at it, could you elaborate a bit on the difference between magnetic strip tickets, machine-readable tickets capable of being used multiple times and stored value cards? It appears to the Queen that she unknowingly misused a term of art. Perhaps all machine-readable tickets of multiple use are magnetic strip tickets, but not all magnetic strip tickets are machine-readable tickets of multiple use? Okay, well, you have both displayed such breadth of knowledge that I declare you both winners! You can e-mail ccncommuter@bayareanewsgroup.com to let me know the address where your prizes should be sent. Also you have a choice of prizes, so drop me a note.

While we’re at it, could you elaborate a bit on the difference between magnetic strip tickets, machine-readable tickets capable of being used multiple times and stored value cards? It appears to the Queen that she unknowingly misused a term of art.

Perhaps all machine-readable tickets of multiple use are magnetic strip tickets, but not all magnetic strip tickets are machine-readable tickets of multiple use?

]]> By: Chris K. http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2009/06/04/okay-karen-heres-a-hard-one-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-4658 Chris K. Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:42:57 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/?p=787#comment-4658 Well BART has used magnetic strip tickets since they started, all the way back in 1972. Well BART has used magnetic strip tickets since they started, all the way back in 1972.

]]> By: david vartanoff http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2009/06/04/okay-karen-heres-a-hard-one-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-4657 david vartanoff Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:19:17 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/?p=787#comment-4657 stored value is the slippery phrase here. Looking at the pic, I saw mag stripe tickets which is why I cited the early rail adopters. However if Queen truly meant the various pseudo cash cards such as the vending machine usage you describe, whole different story. stored value is the slippery phrase here. Looking at the pic, I saw mag stripe tickets which is why I cited the early rail adopters. However if Queen truly meant the various pseudo cash cards such as the vending machine usage you describe, whole different story.

]]> By: Steven L. http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2009/06/04/okay-karen-heres-a-hard-one-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-4656 Steven L. Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:25:37 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/?p=787#comment-4656 Okay, I feel pretty stupid, since BART tickets would already have been available by then. For some reason I got stuck on the "card" part... Okay, I feel pretty stupid, since BART tickets would already have been available by then. For some reason I got stuck on the “card” part…

]]> By: Steven L. http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2009/06/04/okay-karen-heres-a-hard-one-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-4655 Steven L. Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:20:19 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/?p=787#comment-4655 Were these machine-readable tickets capable of being used multiple times? I think that's what "stored value card" would imply. From that understanding, I'd say the first stored value card was in Italy back in 1975, which were first used for vending machines by a company called SIDA, and then a little later on deployed for payphones. Were these machine-readable tickets capable of being used multiple times? I think that’s what “stored value card” would imply. From that understanding, I’d say the first stored value card was in Italy back in 1975, which were first used for vending machines by a company called SIDA, and then a little later on deployed for payphones.

]]> By: Chris K. http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2009/06/04/okay-karen-heres-a-hard-one-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-4654 Chris K. Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:51:19 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/?p=787#comment-4654 He's a personal friend of mine, and when it comes to ANYTHING related to public transit, he's right 99% of the time. He’s a personal friend of mine, and when it comes to ANYTHING related to public transit, he’s right 99% of the time.

]]> By: Queen http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2009/06/04/okay-karen-heres-a-hard-one-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-4653 Queen Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:43:47 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/?p=787#comment-4653 You people are amazing. Sixteen minutes later, David Vartanoff comes through with an answer. Okay, all you transit experts: Is he right? You people are amazing. Sixteen minutes later, David Vartanoff comes through with an answer. Okay, all you transit experts: Is he right?

]]> By: david vartanoff http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2009/06/04/okay-karen-heres-a-hard-one-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-4652 david vartanoff Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:40:06 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/?p=787#comment-4652 the first machine readable tickets were marketed by Litton Industries in the early 1960s. An experimenatal installation on the Long Island RR, was followed by introduction on the Illinois Central begining in 1965 with installation of the TVMs. and a roll out of usage scheduled for July 1966. On the east coast, the upgraded and extended PATCO system linking Center City Philadelphia w/ New Jersey suburbs east of Camden opened w/ electronic fare gates in 1969 the first machine readable tickets were marketed by Litton Industries in the early 1960s. An experimenatal installation on the Long Island RR, was followed by introduction on the Illinois Central begining in 1965 with installation of the TVMs. and a roll out of usage scheduled for July 1966.
On the east coast, the upgraded and extended PATCO system linking Center City Philadelphia w/ New Jersey suburbs east of Camden opened w/ electronic fare gates in 1969

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