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	<title>Comments on: Fremont library and pornography</title>
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		<title>By: Gregg Maloof</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/07/18/fremont-library-and-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-884</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg Maloof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Porn filters on library computers, and increased parental awareness and leadership, will alleviate most if not all of this issue&#039;s talking points.

Pornagraphy exists because we feel compelled to hide our natural desires for physical pleasure, or even talk about them.  Children are taught very young to avoid any mention of the &#039;goings on&#039; under their pants and shirts.  Mastrabation, sex, and birth control are almost never mentioned in intamate family circles.  Sex education and relationship development courses are not being offered in our public schools.  I challenge anyone to honestly disagree.  Barrack Obama has emerged as the guiding light to parental involvement in our children&#039;s developement, and this includes the developing their awareness of their bodies, their emotions, and the meaning of sex and love in their lives.  If a child is given insight into the dark world of pornagraphy, of the sexual slavery, and how sex AND drugs AND hate can all be addictive, they will understand.  A child armed with knowlege and insight will not be offended by a library user viewing pronography, and will likely advise the offender to go take his or her addiction elsewhere.  Exposure of truth is the key.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porn filters on library computers, and increased parental awareness and leadership, will alleviate most if not all of this issue&#8217;s talking points.</p>
<p>Pornagraphy exists because we feel compelled to hide our natural desires for physical pleasure, or even talk about them.  Children are taught very young to avoid any mention of the &#8216;goings on&#8217; under their pants and shirts.  Mastrabation, sex, and birth control are almost never mentioned in intamate family circles.  Sex education and relationship development courses are not being offered in our public schools.  I challenge anyone to honestly disagree.  Barrack Obama has emerged as the guiding light to parental involvement in our children&#8217;s developement, and this includes the developing their awareness of their bodies, their emotions, and the meaning of sex and love in their lives.  If a child is given insight into the dark world of pornagraphy, of the sexual slavery, and how sex AND drugs AND hate can all be addictive, they will understand.  A child armed with knowlege and insight will not be offended by a library user viewing pronography, and will likely advise the offender to go take his or her addiction elsewhere.  Exposure of truth is the key.</p>
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		<title>By: Coyote Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/07/18/fremont-library-and-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-890</link>
		<dc:creator>Coyote Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And around and around we go]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And around and around we go</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/07/18/fremont-library-and-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-891</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lois, you cant ban pornography unless you define pornography.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lois, you cant ban pornography unless you define pornography.</p>
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		<title>By: Queenbee</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/07/18/fremont-library-and-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-892</link>
		<dc:creator>Queenbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard it&#039;s a bit like a drug - you&#039;re always looking for that first &#039;high&#039;, but it can never really satisfy.  Saw a chilling Oprah episode about kids and their laptops and webcams - becoming victims of predators &amp; pedophiles, many without ever leaving their bedroom.  That&#039;s why our computers are in a public place in our home and always will be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard it&#8217;s a bit like a drug &#8211; you&#8217;re always looking for that first &#8216;high&#8217;, but it can never really satisfy.  Saw a chilling Oprah episode about kids and their laptops and webcams &#8211; becoming victims of predators &amp; pedophiles, many without ever leaving their bedroom.  That&#8217;s why our computers are in a public place in our home and always will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/07/18/fremont-library-and-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-898</link>
		<dc:creator>Lois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pornography can become a dangerous addiction.  It is not a victimless crime. While watching a documentary on a serial killer, the killer made the statement, that he feels porn was instrumental in his drive to rape and kill. The killer was Ted Bundy.

It is bad enough to have adult pornography, but anything to do with children, or to cause children to be hurt in any way, I draw the line on a person&#039;s right to view porn, any kind of porn.  It is obvious the person that requires porn, has a serious addiction, needs to get a life, and needs therapy.

Whatever happened to an active imagination?
I&#039;ve never watched pornography, why would anyone want to taint their brain, and memory?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pornography can become a dangerous addiction.  It is not a victimless crime. While watching a documentary on a serial killer, the killer made the statement, that he feels porn was instrumental in his drive to rape and kill. The killer was Ted Bundy.</p>
<p>It is bad enough to have adult pornography, but anything to do with children, or to cause children to be hurt in any way, I draw the line on a person&#8217;s right to view porn, any kind of porn.  It is obvious the person that requires porn, has a serious addiction, needs to get a life, and needs therapy.</p>
<p>Whatever happened to an active imagination?<br />
I&#8217;ve never watched pornography, why would anyone want to taint their brain, and memory?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kleinman</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/07/18/fremont-library-and-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kleinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marty, people go there JUST to look at porn.  See http://www.safelibraries.org/adamson/ for one example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty, people go there JUST to look at porn.  See <a href="http://www.safelibraries.org/adamson/" rel="nofollow">http://www.safelibraries.org/adamson/</a> for one example.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/07/18/fremont-library-and-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-885</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite a lot of people, Marty.  There are plenty on the computers whenever I&#039;m at the Union City or Fremont Main branches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a lot of people, Marty.  There are plenty on the computers whenever I&#8217;m at the Union City or Fremont Main branches.</p>
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		<title>By: marty</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/07/18/fremont-library-and-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-886</link>
		<dc:creator>marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now, I&#039;m not going to put myself on a pedestal.  I make ends meet and live pretty well, so perhaps I am out of the loop, out of touch with the folks, etc.

But who the **** goes to the library to access the internet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, I&#8217;m not going to put myself on a pedestal.  I make ends meet and live pretty well, so perhaps I am out of the loop, out of touch with the folks, etc.</p>
<p>But who the **** goes to the library to access the internet?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/07/18/fremont-library-and-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-887</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was with you till the part when you said, &quot;some child is raped or molested by someone using the still unfiltered computers.&quot;  I don&#039;t get what you mean.  I don&#039;t think you mean viewing porn on a library computer leads to raping children because I can see no causal link.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was with you till the part when you said, &#8220;some child is raped or molested by someone using the still unfiltered computers.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t get what you mean.  I don&#8217;t think you mean viewing porn on a library computer leads to raping children because I can see no causal link.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kleinman</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/07/18/fremont-library-and-pornography/comment-page-1/#comment-888</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kleinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, in an ideal world, &quot;A no-porn policy would be better.&quot;  However, is has been my observation over the years that acceptable use policies never stop the person who violates the policies, by definition.

It is easy for you and me to respect the law and respect acceptable use policies.  However, there is a segment of the population, and it is growing, that refuses to abide by such policies.  Therefore, the policies are essentially useless against the very people you wished would have abided by the policies.

Filters, on the other hand, while not perfect and they never will be, go a very long way to enforcing acceptable use policies.  Even if someone is intent on ignoring the acceptable use policy, the filter will be there (95% of the time per the ACLU) to enforce the policy.

No one method is ideal in preventing what a library may wish to prevent.  Usually a mix of options is best.  In that mix, filters are the sharpest tool in the box.

The American Library Association says the opposite.  The ALA has been sidestepping US v. ALA, US Supreme Court, 2003, for over five years now.  The ALA has the greatest stake in people thinking filters are ineffective--then the people will convince themselves not to use filters and the ALA will not have to do the dirty work.

Now when a library states it will filter in respect of CIPA (and US v. ALA), and the ALA convinces them not to, and some child is raped or molested by someone using the still unfiltered computers, one must seriously think whether there is a causal link between the rape and the ALA&#039;s sidestepping US v. ALA and getting local librarians to follow ALA policy instead of local laws, customs, and practices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, in an ideal world, &#8220;A no-porn policy would be better.&#8221;  However, is has been my observation over the years that acceptable use policies never stop the person who violates the policies, by definition.</p>
<p>It is easy for you and me to respect the law and respect acceptable use policies.  However, there is a segment of the population, and it is growing, that refuses to abide by such policies.  Therefore, the policies are essentially useless against the very people you wished would have abided by the policies.</p>
<p>Filters, on the other hand, while not perfect and they never will be, go a very long way to enforcing acceptable use policies.  Even if someone is intent on ignoring the acceptable use policy, the filter will be there (95% of the time per the ACLU) to enforce the policy.</p>
<p>No one method is ideal in preventing what a library may wish to prevent.  Usually a mix of options is best.  In that mix, filters are the sharpest tool in the box.</p>
<p>The American Library Association says the opposite.  The ALA has been sidestepping US v. ALA, US Supreme Court, 2003, for over five years now.  The ALA has the greatest stake in people thinking filters are ineffective&#8211;then the people will convince themselves not to use filters and the ALA will not have to do the dirty work.</p>
<p>Now when a library states it will filter in respect of CIPA (and US v. ALA), and the ALA convinces them not to, and some child is raped or molested by someone using the still unfiltered computers, one must seriously think whether there is a causal link between the rape and the ALA&#8217;s sidestepping US v. ALA and getting local librarians to follow ALA policy instead of local laws, customs, and practices.</p>
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