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		<title>By: Alan Stirling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Stirling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. Chan is not the first one to to speak out about alarm response.  Shame on her for lying so blatantly.  Alan Stirling was the first starting in 2005 and continiously during my previous campaign,  It was the first thing I mentionioned in the first forum we had this year and at that time Ms Chan was againsst the mandatory response by Fremont P.D. Ms chan is endorsed by the same failed incubants that created this travesty. See my website www.alanstirlingforfremont.org and you can &quot;verifiy&quot; that I speak truth to issues and speak early.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Chan is not the first one to to speak out about alarm response.  Shame on her for lying so blatantly.  Alan Stirling was the first starting in 2005 and continiously during my previous campaign,  It was the first thing I mentionioned in the first forum we had this year and at that time Ms Chan was againsst the mandatory response by Fremont P.D. Ms chan is endorsed by the same failed incubants that created this travesty. See my website <a href="http://www.alanstirlingforfremont.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.alanstirlingforfremont.org</a> and you can &#8220;verifiy&#8221; that I speak truth to issues and speak early.</p>
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		<title>By: bbox231</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbox231</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I stand corrected, Robert - Susan Chan has indicated that she will &quot;insist&quot; that response to residential alarms be restored.

I stand by my comments re &quot;silent&quot; council and Mayoral candidates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected, Robert &#8211; Susan Chan has indicated that she will &#8220;insist&#8221; that response to residential alarms be restored.</p>
<p>I stand by my comments re &#8220;silent&#8221; council and Mayoral candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: bbox231</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbox231</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Robert - I appreciate your sentiment.

I am unclear on Susan Chan&#039;s position as well.  I believe she (and others) are very slowly beginning to realize that perhaps there IS an alternative to our current direction.

Vinnie Bacon figured it out a long time ago.  (And - yes - I am a fan of Vinnie Bacon - but hardly because of his clarity on this singular point)

Susan Chan *has* stated that she will &quot;take a hard look at&quot; the non-response policy.  Make of it what you will.

I personally speculate that those candidates who have chosen to remain silent on this point will, in time, continue to look more and more like the council members they seek to replace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Robert &#8211; I appreciate your sentiment.</p>
<p>I am unclear on Susan Chan&#8217;s position as well.  I believe she (and others) are very slowly beginning to realize that perhaps there IS an alternative to our current direction.</p>
<p>Vinnie Bacon figured it out a long time ago.  (And &#8211; yes &#8211; I am a fan of Vinnie Bacon &#8211; but hardly because of his clarity on this singular point)</p>
<p>Susan Chan *has* stated that she will &#8220;take a hard look at&#8221; the non-response policy.  Make of it what you will.</p>
<p>I personally speculate that those candidates who have chosen to remain silent on this point will, in time, continue to look more and more like the council members they seek to replace.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bbox231-

Your argument and position seem to be put together well.  I am not sure that Sue Chan has the same position, if she did then I might be able to support her, but my interpretation of her position is to that she wants to force our police to respond to alarms regardless of resources.  If I have misinterpreted it then I would love clarification from  her or someone from her staff on this board.]]></description>
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<p>Your argument and position seem to be put together well.  I am not sure that Sue Chan has the same position, if she did then I might be able to support her, but my interpretation of her position is to that she wants to force our police to respond to alarms regardless of resources.  If I have misinterpreted it then I would love clarification from  her or someone from her staff on this board.</p>
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		<title>By: bbox231</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbox231</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow - Jon Simon is practically a spokesperson for Craig Steckler on this point.

Let me take it slowly  here, Jon - you try and follow.

All city demanded services vary based on loads of external factors.  You are correct that perhaps the alarm rates might vary to the point that there are so few &quot;false&quot; alarms that we dont need additional officers to respond to these unwanted calls - and hallelujia we&#039;ve accomplished our goal -  NOW the alarms are all real !!!!!

In the meantime, those who want an officer to respond to an alarm - PAY FOR THE privledge - (as opposed to paying a 3rd party service organization who makes a profit doing so)

The variability of false alarm rates is a straw man fostered by those who simply dont want to deliver a service any longer and who are unwilling to consider how to keep the service delivered to constituency because THEY&#039;VE decided what&#039;s best for the community.

It&#039;s kinda like cutting hours at the library, Jon.
Or no longer surfacing your streets, or spending millions on redevelopment without producing anything tangible. .  . . ONLY in this case - there&#039;s another alternative. . . . but, your city manager, your mayor, your current city council can&#039;t seem to find a way to continue to deliver a service AND make money doing so.

Heck, Jon - I&#039;ll bet there&#039;s all kinds of variables in planning for a city budget. . . . . factors swing up an ddown wildly - as evidenced by your city &quot;surplus&quot; that was discovered only weeks after we thought we were in economic straits.    Economic uncertainty is a fact of life for city managers - they work with it all the time.

Forget the reasoning and logic I&#039;m trying to get across to you. . . . . maybe I am biased, maybe I have my own agenda.

Ask yourself one question - how is it that other cities with the same economic &quot;variability&quot; you sight as an excuse for not pursuing this solution -have found that it makes sense to charge for this &quot;false alarm&quot; service ????????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; Jon Simon is practically a spokesperson for Craig Steckler on this point.</p>
<p>Let me take it slowly  here, Jon &#8211; you try and follow.</p>
<p>All city demanded services vary based on loads of external factors.  You are correct that perhaps the alarm rates might vary to the point that there are so few &#8220;false&#8221; alarms that we dont need additional officers to respond to these unwanted calls &#8211; and hallelujia we&#8217;ve accomplished our goal &#8211;  NOW the alarms are all real !!!!!</p>
<p>In the meantime, those who want an officer to respond to an alarm &#8211; PAY FOR THE privledge &#8211; (as opposed to paying a 3rd party service organization who makes a profit doing so)</p>
<p>The variability of false alarm rates is a straw man fostered by those who simply dont want to deliver a service any longer and who are unwilling to consider how to keep the service delivered to constituency because THEY&#8217;VE decided what&#8217;s best for the community.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kinda like cutting hours at the library, Jon.<br />
Or no longer surfacing your streets, or spending millions on redevelopment without producing anything tangible. .  . . ONLY in this case &#8211; there&#8217;s another alternative. . . . but, your city manager, your mayor, your current city council can&#8217;t seem to find a way to continue to deliver a service AND make money doing so.</p>
<p>Heck, Jon &#8211; I&#8217;ll bet there&#8217;s all kinds of variables in planning for a city budget. . . . . factors swing up an ddown wildly &#8211; as evidenced by your city &#8220;surplus&#8221; that was discovered only weeks after we thought we were in economic straits.    Economic uncertainty is a fact of life for city managers &#8211; they work with it all the time.</p>
<p>Forget the reasoning and logic I&#8217;m trying to get across to you. . . . . maybe I am biased, maybe I have my own agenda.</p>
<p>Ask yourself one question &#8211; how is it that other cities with the same economic &#8220;variability&#8221; you sight as an excuse for not pursuing this solution -have found that it makes sense to charge for this &#8220;false alarm&#8221; service ????????</p>
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		<title>By: erica</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/10/03/chan-steps-out-on-alarms/comment-page-1/#comment-2198</link>
		<dc:creator>erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will vote for any candidate that will work to raise the number of police officers in Fremont.  Currently, my neighborhood is overrun by both daytime and nightime burglaries.  It is just a matter of time before a mother, grandmother or child confronts a criminal in their home.  I am afraid to come home with my small children during the day.  Many of these homes were actually alarmed but the criminals entered in uncontemplated ways.  I don&#039;t think this candidate has the answer but we all deserve to feel safe and any city official should make it a priority to give the Fremont police the tools and resources they need to make this happen.  In my hometown, the police would be regularly patrolling the neighborhood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will vote for any candidate that will work to raise the number of police officers in Fremont.  Currently, my neighborhood is overrun by both daytime and nightime burglaries.  It is just a matter of time before a mother, grandmother or child confronts a criminal in their home.  I am afraid to come home with my small children during the day.  Many of these homes were actually alarmed but the criminals entered in uncontemplated ways.  I don&#8217;t think this candidate has the answer but we all deserve to feel safe and any city official should make it a priority to give the Fremont police the tools and resources they need to make this happen.  In my hometown, the police would be regularly patrolling the neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan M.</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/10/03/chan-steps-out-on-alarms/comment-page-1/#comment-2197</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ruby, I can tell you are a Sue Chan supporter by that question. The way you quantify the number of false alarms is through statistics from past experience and through extrapolation. The majority of alarms are false. &quot;To be clear&quot;, I believe that with the limited resources we have, our police CANNOT respond to false alarms until, as Jon said, there is confirmation that there is truly a need to do so. You, and your candidate need to get a clue (so do you, English Teacher).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruby, I can tell you are a Sue Chan supporter by that question. The way you quantify the number of false alarms is through statistics from past experience and through extrapolation. The majority of alarms are false. &#8220;To be clear&#8221;, I believe that with the limited resources we have, our police CANNOT respond to false alarms until, as Jon said, there is confirmation that there is truly a need to do so. You, and your candidate need to get a clue (so do you, English Teacher).</p>
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		<title>By: English Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>English Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suzanne Chan is a wonderful person who is listening to folks who have a genuine concern from residents.

Is it possible to have a genuine debate about ISSUES without attacking the candidate on a personal level with lies &quot;Entertaining&quot; and &quot;Diamond&quot;?

It&#039;s funny that Debra thinks that someone who talks to the issue should &quot;stay off the blogs&quot; but condones these genuine attacks...speaks loads about credibility.

And by the by, Ruby has a right to voice whatever she wants on this board, how arrogant of you Debra.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne Chan is a wonderful person who is listening to folks who have a genuine concern from residents.</p>
<p>Is it possible to have a genuine debate about ISSUES without attacking the candidate on a personal level with lies &#8220;Entertaining&#8221; and &#8220;Diamond&#8221;?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny that Debra thinks that someone who talks to the issue should &#8220;stay off the blogs&#8221; but condones these genuine attacks&#8230;speaks loads about credibility.</p>
<p>And by the by, Ruby has a right to voice whatever she wants on this board, how arrogant of you Debra.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure the police department would feel comfortable basing hiring of several officers off of an alarm fee.  As the economy turns sour, many will cut off their alarms or not pay the higher fees and the PD would have to lay officers off AGAIN, after spending public money to hire and train new officers AGAIN.  If you really want more officers, that&#039;s great, but even with several more, checking false alarms is a waste of resources.

Ruby, yes, police should never check alarms unless there&#039;s a human confirmation of something happening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure the police department would feel comfortable basing hiring of several officers off of an alarm fee.  As the economy turns sour, many will cut off their alarms or not pay the higher fees and the PD would have to lay officers off AGAIN, after spending public money to hire and train new officers AGAIN.  If you really want more officers, that&#8217;s great, but even with several more, checking false alarms is a waste of resources.</p>
<p>Ruby, yes, police should never check alarms unless there&#8217;s a human confirmation of something happening.</p>
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		<title>By: bbox231</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbox231</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;How many false alarms are there ?&quot;

Answer - it doesn&#039;t make any difference PROVIDED that the alarm fee structure covers costs of officer time to respond to ALL alarms (including the real ones !)

&quot;99% of False Alarms are &quot;false - why expend limited resources to respond to these false alarms &quot;

Answer - because the resources aren&#039;t LIMITED IF those who are demanding the services are PAYING FOR THEM !!!!!!!  (Why can&#039;t the naysayers on this argument GET a simple economic fact ???)  Should we (for example) get rid of 30% of our current Police Force if they spend only 70% of their time responding to real crimes ???  No one would suggest that we do so - but this is the same argument Steckler has used to rationalize the no-response issue.

EVERY CITY IN AMERICA has the same kinds of economic problems and challenges we face - ask yourself why do some choose to solve this problem by cancelling services and some solve this problem by raising fees ?

What&#039;s the difference in quality of life in cities that charge for a response and a permit to operate a residential alarm versus those that simply cancel a service to its taxpayers ?

What&#039;s the difference between a constituency that is &quot;told&quot; that a service is no longer going to be supplied versus a city that works with its taxpayers to maintain (but pay for) basic services ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How many false alarms are there ?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t make any difference PROVIDED that the alarm fee structure covers costs of officer time to respond to ALL alarms (including the real ones !)</p>
<p>&#8220;99% of False Alarms are &#8220;false &#8211; why expend limited resources to respond to these false alarms &#8221;</p>
<p>Answer &#8211; because the resources aren&#8217;t LIMITED IF those who are demanding the services are PAYING FOR THEM !!!!!!!  (Why can&#8217;t the naysayers on this argument GET a simple economic fact ???)  Should we (for example) get rid of 30% of our current Police Force if they spend only 70% of their time responding to real crimes ???  No one would suggest that we do so &#8211; but this is the same argument Steckler has used to rationalize the no-response issue.</p>
<p>EVERY CITY IN AMERICA has the same kinds of economic problems and challenges we face &#8211; ask yourself why do some choose to solve this problem by cancelling services and some solve this problem by raising fees ?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the difference in quality of life in cities that charge for a response and a permit to operate a residential alarm versus those that simply cancel a service to its taxpayers ?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the difference between a constituency that is &#8220;told&#8221; that a service is no longer going to be supplied versus a city that works with its taxpayers to maintain (but pay for) basic services ?</p>
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