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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/10/15/its-the-economy-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-2409</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles, you&#039;ve clarified your stance on the Second Amendment. What&#039;s your stance on the First, separation of church and state?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, you&#8217;ve clarified your stance on the Second Amendment. What&#8217;s your stance on the First, separation of church and state?</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like I said. You can&#039;t always rely on the police in an emergency situation. Moreover, the 2nd amendment was originally concieved as a check against tyranny. Of course, things are different today. We can trust government. Government is like a family, loving like mom or pop. Or even sweet like bambi... &quot;right&quot;? Yeah... right.

Q1: Yes. I have been in that pickle with a peeping tom that was growing ever aggressive with my fiance. I brandished a gun at him, and he never returned. This pervert was at the point of breaking into the house and stealing underwear, leaving doors and windows unlocked for midnight entry. The dog didn&#039;t scare him, but the gun did.

Q2: Impossible to answer. It is entirely hypothetical. I believe when people know others are armed or even have access to a gun, they are less inclined to take advantage of you. They know the ramifications and back off.

But you are missing a bigger point here. Gun ownership is not for mere hunting or even to deter crime (though it helps). It is there as a check against tyrannical government which deprives us of clear, constitutional liberties and inalienable rights. This was the whole reason we originally had state militias. Over the last 70 years the state militia has been federalized and no longer exists. Thus, you have one less protection regarding your protection from both exploitation and oppression. And without inalienable rights you are little better than a slave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said. You can&#8217;t always rely on the police in an emergency situation. Moreover, the 2nd amendment was originally concieved as a check against tyranny. Of course, things are different today. We can trust government. Government is like a family, loving like mom or pop. Or even sweet like bambi&#8230; &#8220;right&#8221;? Yeah&#8230; right.</p>
<p>Q1: Yes. I have been in that pickle with a peeping tom that was growing ever aggressive with my fiance. I brandished a gun at him, and he never returned. This pervert was at the point of breaking into the house and stealing underwear, leaving doors and windows unlocked for midnight entry. The dog didn&#8217;t scare him, but the gun did.</p>
<p>Q2: Impossible to answer. It is entirely hypothetical. I believe when people know others are armed or even have access to a gun, they are less inclined to take advantage of you. They know the ramifications and back off.</p>
<p>But you are missing a bigger point here. Gun ownership is not for mere hunting or even to deter crime (though it helps). It is there as a check against tyrannical government which deprives us of clear, constitutional liberties and inalienable rights. This was the whole reason we originally had state militias. Over the last 70 years the state militia has been federalized and no longer exists. Thus, you have one less protection regarding your protection from both exploitation and oppression. And without inalienable rights you are little better than a slave.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug

   About twenty years ago, while living in Niles my
  dog became aware of someone or something outside
  in the middle of the night. After about five minutes
  of barking I saw someone starting to open my side
  door. All I saw was their arm as they started it.
  I kicked the door closed on his arm, and shouted
  I have a gun, Get the hell out of here.

   All I know is I was sure glad that I was armed
  and able to protect myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug</p>
<p>   About twenty years ago, while living in Niles my<br />
  dog became aware of someone or something outside<br />
  in the middle of the night. After about five minutes<br />
  of barking I saw someone starting to open my side<br />
  door. All I saw was their arm as they started it.<br />
  I kicked the door closed on his arm, and shouted<br />
  I have a gun, Get the hell out of here.</p>
<p>   All I know is I was sure glad that I was armed<br />
  and able to protect myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/10/15/its-the-economy-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-2406</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walter and Charles, specifically, and others can hop in if you wish. In your lifetime have you found yourself in a situation that required the use of a handgun to protect yourself or your family?

Conversely, have you ever been in a situation, that due to the people involved and the heated nature of the disagreement, the presence of a handgun would have/could have exacerbated the confrontation?

I&#039;ll supply my response to those scenarios; no and no.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter and Charles, specifically, and others can hop in if you wish. In your lifetime have you found yourself in a situation that required the use of a handgun to protect yourself or your family?</p>
<p>Conversely, have you ever been in a situation, that due to the people involved and the heated nature of the disagreement, the presence of a handgun would have/could have exacerbated the confrontation?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll supply my response to those scenarios; no and no.</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, and as we know, Mayors across the country have passed hand-gun bans as well as sanctuary city ordinances. If it goes one way, why can&#039;t it go the other way-- the lawful way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and as we know, Mayors across the country have passed hand-gun bans as well as sanctuary city ordinances. If it goes one way, why can&#8217;t it go the other way&#8211; the lawful way?</p>
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		<title>By: Walter GOP Livermore City-Chair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter GOP Livermore City-Chair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marty, I think that it&#039;s good to know where local candidates stand on state and national issues. For example, if a candidate is anti-gun, or pro-bail-out, they would never get my vote, even if that candidate was only running for local office. Besides, even local candidates swear an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty, I think that it&#8217;s good to know where local candidates stand on state and national issues. For example, if a candidate is anti-gun, or pro-bail-out, they would never get my vote, even if that candidate was only running for local office. Besides, even local candidates swear an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter GOP Livermore City-Chair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter GOP Livermore City-Chair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug, I always respect your viewpoint, but we should all keep in mind that the Bill of Rights has no expiration date. In fact, if the founders had it their way and they were able to get their hands on automatic weapons and some armor piercing rounds, you could bet your last inflated dollar that they would have done so, and supported others to do the same. We would all be fools to think that the founding fathers, in all their wisdom, would have assumed that we would only have muskets that shoot one shot only as fast as you could load it. They knew that there would be advancements, but they still put in &quot;shall not be infringed.&quot; The check and balance is that everyone (or just about everyone) is armed.

More Guns = Less Crime!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9RN_iSKtg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, I always respect your viewpoint, but we should all keep in mind that the Bill of Rights has no expiration date. In fact, if the founders had it their way and they were able to get their hands on automatic weapons and some armor piercing rounds, you could bet your last inflated dollar that they would have done so, and supported others to do the same. We would all be fools to think that the founding fathers, in all their wisdom, would have assumed that we would only have muskets that shoot one shot only as fast as you could load it. They knew that there would be advancements, but they still put in &#8220;shall not be infringed.&#8221; The check and balance is that everyone (or just about everyone) is armed.</p>
<p>More Guns = Less Crime!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9RN_iSKtg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9RN_iSKtg</a></p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Doug,

There is no turning back the clock, but there remains timeless principles. Whether man or his culture is true begs the question. Gun ownership-- the right to self-defense for the preservation of life and liberty--combined with armed defense against tyranny were once upon a time considered fundamental, inalienable, and immortal principles/truths.

Today, everything this is not the case. Everything is in flux, and you have no guarantee of liberties or rights when faced with more-or-less utilitarian, pragmatic rationale.

The foreclosure and usary dilemma created an illusion of ownership. But this ownership did not last long. Unfortunately, we are not allowing a market correction to run the irresponsible owners out of the propertied class. They may have been &#039;owners&#039;, but obviously their &#039;ownership&#039; would have expired fairly quickly.

But you are right. I ought to qualify my comments with the criteria that a man be able to retain newly gained property. That propety and &#039;possession&#039; have some correlation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Doug,</p>
<p>There is no turning back the clock, but there remains timeless principles. Whether man or his culture is true begs the question. Gun ownership&#8211; the right to self-defense for the preservation of life and liberty&#8211;combined with armed defense against tyranny were once upon a time considered fundamental, inalienable, and immortal principles/truths.</p>
<p>Today, everything this is not the case. Everything is in flux, and you have no guarantee of liberties or rights when faced with more-or-less utilitarian, pragmatic rationale.</p>
<p>The foreclosure and usary dilemma created an illusion of ownership. But this ownership did not last long. Unfortunately, we are not allowing a market correction to run the irresponsible owners out of the propertied class. They may have been &#8216;owners&#8217;, but obviously their &#8216;ownership&#8217; would have expired fairly quickly.</p>
<p>But you are right. I ought to qualify my comments with the criteria that a man be able to retain newly gained property. That propety and &#8216;possession&#8217; have some correlation.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles, I know that you are principled, but when you drift into these national issues you draw focus away from your goals for Fremont.  As a city councilman, you will never be able to effect gun laws in or ban the sale of pornography within the city.

I know this is an informal medium, but people can get a sense of your priorities based on what you say before an election.  I see a similarity in your tact to the SF supes who chime in on every issue they have no jurisdiction over, while the city suffers.  I&#039;m not saying that you&#039;d waste your time on the Fremont city council soap-boxing, but please keep it local.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, I know that you are principled, but when you drift into these national issues you draw focus away from your goals for Fremont.  As a city councilman, you will never be able to effect gun laws in or ban the sale of pornography within the city.</p>
<p>I know this is an informal medium, but people can get a sense of your priorities based on what you say before an election.  I see a similarity in your tact to the SF supes who chime in on every issue they have no jurisdiction over, while the city suffers.  I&#8217;m not saying that you&#8217;d waste your time on the Fremont city council soap-boxing, but please keep it local.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles, if property owners are so responsible why are we seeing the record number of foreclosures that we are? Far too many property owners got in way over their heads, which I don&#039;t find to be very responsible behavior.

There are many extremely responsible individuals that are renters simply because they can&#039;t afford the cost of Bay Area houses.

Keep in mind when the Second Amendment was written folks weren&#039;t sporting machine pistols with body armor piercing ammo.

I believe your intentions are good, but just a bit out of keeping with the unfortunate realities of the early 21st century and there&#039;s no turning back the clock (other than the first weekend in November when we switch to Standard Time).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, if property owners are so responsible why are we seeing the record number of foreclosures that we are? Far too many property owners got in way over their heads, which I don&#8217;t find to be very responsible behavior.</p>
<p>There are many extremely responsible individuals that are renters simply because they can&#8217;t afford the cost of Bay Area houses.</p>
<p>Keep in mind when the Second Amendment was written folks weren&#8217;t sporting machine pistols with body armor piercing ammo.</p>
<p>I believe your intentions are good, but just a bit out of keeping with the unfortunate realities of the early 21st century and there&#8217;s no turning back the clock (other than the first weekend in November when we switch to Standard Time).</p>
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