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Wasserman still not giving up on the A’s and Pacific Commons

By Matt Artz
Monday, December 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pm in Uncategorized.

Fremont Mayor Bob Wasserman did meet with ProLogis last week about the real estate trust’s opposition to the A’s stadium proposal on its land near the Pacific Commons Shopping Center.

Three of ProLogis’ major tenants at the shopping center – Kohl’s Lowe’s and Costco – oppose the A’s stadium proposal because it would put a stadium too close to the stores. Finding a different home for the stadium is tricky because the  farther you go from the stores, the closer you are to a protected nature area.

Wasserman said he and ProLogis talked about a couple of proposals to put the stadium a little further from the stores, one idea would be to put it closer to Interstate 880, and the other further south from the stores, which, admittedly wouldn’t have the best freeway access.

The A’s didn’t participate in the talks. Wasserman plans to meet with the A’s and ProLogis next week or next month to gauge if there is any chance the ballpark village concept can be salvaged.

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  • worble

    NO TO THE BALLPARK IN FREMONT!! AND NO TO W_ASS_ERMAN AND THE WOLFF FAMILY.

  • Californiaguy

    Worble, you have no cl-ass

  • worble

    CALGUY YOU MUST HAVE VOTED FOR THIS IDIOT.

  • Californiaguy

    Worble,
    I try to have discussions on a much higher level then you.
    I believe in dealing with facts and good discussions, not dissing some one.
    Are you a teen ager?

  • http://noasws.blogspot.com/ NoAsWS

    Wonering why Wasserman want to risk his political life and Fremont’s future to push hard for the ballpark? It will be sound as “Fremont is begging the A’s to move here”;-( That’s will put the city of Fremont in a very bad position in negotiate any deal with the A’s, even if there is a deal.

  • Doug

    Using Google Maps I took an aerial tour of all the MLB parks around the country. The most visually depressing was Angel Stadium in Anaheim. The stadium is a virtual island surrounded by an asphalt sea. Many have rail transit adjacent to the ball park. None have residential neighborhoods in immediate proximity. Yes, in the city settings there are apartment buildings. You can draw your own conclusions as to how the existing ball yards and their surroundings compare with the two sites under consideration in Fremont.

  • worble

    NO TO THE BALLPARK IN EITHER LOCATIONS. CALGUY I NEVER SAID A WORD TO YOU UNTIL YOU STARTED. IF YOU READ SOME OF YOUR POSTS YOU SEEM TO BE THE CHILD. AGAIN NO TO THE BALLPARK IN FREMONT!!!!

  • David in Santa Monica

    I hope the baseball village proposal does go through. It will be a nice “downtown” area for the city of Fremont. When I grew up in Fremont in the early 90′s, there was virtually nothing to do in Fremont besides the Newpark Mall and Fremont Hub. I would like to return to Fremont and see this downtown/baseball village environment in a few years.

  • MikeTeeVee

    Doug Says: “Using Google Maps I took an aerial tour of all the MLB parks around the country. The most visually depressing was Angel Stadium in Anaheim. The stadium is a virtual island surrounded by an asphalt sea. Many have rail transit adjacent to the ball park.”

    Ironically, Angel Stadium in Anaheim has an adjacent Amtrak station for the Pacific Surfliner, Amtrak’s second-busiest rail line.

  • http://noasws.blogspot.com/ NoAsWS

    David, look like there is no “downtown” or “village” now. The A’s plan to build the stadium first and leave the village behind. Without the “Santana Row”, it will be just like another Oakland Coliseum (maybe worse;-(.

    The real estate and economy is very bad now. The stock price of Prologis (PLD, the developer in Pacific Commons) went from $60+ to $2+ in 6 months. And Wolff is a big real estate developer. His wealth must be shrinking a lot recently.

  • Doug

    David in Santa Monica – Hmmm, making Pacific Commons our downtown would be of little benefit to our other districts. A more centralized location and closer to public rail would seem to make more sense. The current planned location east of the Hub is in close proximity to Irvington, Centerville, Niles and MSJ. It would also draw people not infatuated with ball parks.

  • worble

    W_ASS_ERMAN AND THE WOLFFS DON”T GIVE A RATS A– ABOUT FREMONT AND THE PEOPLE THAT WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT THE BALLPARK WILL BRING. NO TO THE BALLPARK IN FREMONT.

  • tbone

    Keep the A’s out of Warm Springs! Its 400 yards from residental neighboorhood
    Wasserman, and several city Council Members are willing to sell out thousands of residents for a buck.
    If Pacific Commons wont take the team on
    ABORT the Idea of the A’s in Fremont.

  • jeffaugust

    Why would Wassermen risk political suicide by supporting the ball park? What the heck… it must have been his ball park support that cost him the election a month ago… wait… anyway.

  • jack

    a’s should move to sacramento. they have very few fans in the bay area and it’s simply a horrible location in fremont.

  • Worlbe

    hey cal guy … really sick and tired of your crap. I’ll be at Fremont bart station tonight at midnight to meet up with you. I’ll be the one wearing a stanford cap. bet you don’t have the guts to show up, little terd.

  • mike oxard

    a’s suck!!!

    a’s fans are the worst in the world and it would be horrible to have these low-lives in our town!!!

  • mike oxard

    good thing there are only a few of them!!!

  • Sandy

    hey Worlbe……..bring the A’s to Fremont. I’m going to see you at Fremont BART to stare at you. Loser!!!!

  • San Jose A’s

    Put the A’s in San Jose where a downtown, transit and atmosphere already exist–give the team a heart and soul and they will be incredibly successful–just like the Sharks

  • David in Santa Monica

    “Without the “Santana Row”, it will be just like another Oakland Coliseum (maybe worse;-(.”

    - I would not say it would be worse than the coliseum, ever since they built Mt. Davis it completely ruin the view of the oakland hills. Plus the food stands, bathrooms and even gift shops are sup bar compared to the new ballparks these days. I went to game 5 when the dodgers lost to the phillies in the nlcs and noticed that they completely renovated their food stands and bathrooms – turnsout there is a 5 year long project that will renovate Dodger stadium. The coliseum is beyond renovation IMO, they need a completely brand new ball park.

    a new ballpark here would definitely attract more people to Fremont thus more money pumped into the city of Fremont. I went out for dinner to claim jumper (i think…) at pacific commons when I visiting some friends/family during thanksgiving and the place was packed with customers and when i walked outside I noticed that people were still going shopping and going out to eat. which begs the question, “where’s the recession?” lol.

    In Santa Monica and West LA – no one feels the recession. you cannot find one foreclosed or banked owned sign in front a condo or house. People still shop and still go out to eat. I think Fremont is in a similar situation.

    I hope the ballpark village pans out – maybe I’ll invest in a residence after they build out those condos :)

  • Marty

    We’re quickly fulfilling the three requirements of a bona fide internet forum -too quickly if you ask me:

    1. Outing a member’s identity (check)

    2. Members daring others to meet them for a fight (check).

    3. Members having an affair offline.

    Which reminds me, we haven’t heard from Charles and Lois in some time…

    Merry Christmas,

    Marty

  • Tbone

    Is it just me or is it just a major coincidence that the Warm Springs A’s Stadium alternative came to the front right after the November election. It looks to me like they tried to keep it out of public view. Wasserman, Sue Chan and other city council A’s supporters likely would have had little support had the Mission Hills and Warm Springs residents known about this issue prior to the election.

    Anyone know how much $$ each council member and Wasserman have received from the A’s, Wolff family and those affiliated with Ball Park villiage related development. A link would help.

  • bbox231

    Tbone raises an interesting question.

    It felt that the ballpark might have been a bigger issue in the election, but for whatever reason, it never emerged in all of its glory until afterwards.
    To add to this thinking, I am a bit surprised that Council and Mayor did virtually nothing to address the concerns of Pac Commons businesses until AFTER the election . . . . the concerns that emerged were so clear that they were even discussed in this and other BLOG’s well prior to election time and yet, we have not had any visible indications of discussion with Pac Commons tenants until (seemingly) very recently. Wouldn’t you have thought that these would have been discussed months ago in hopes of arriving at mitigating solutions ?

    I speculate there was a conscious strategy to keep these issues under wraps until after the election knowing full-well that a change in venue for the proposed ball park would create greater community attention. Good re-election strategies if you ask me.

    Unfortunately, most of those who cast ballots for Fremont elections were either pro-A’s or amibivalent to the issues.

  • WarbleFly

    Yep,,I only voted for Pro Stadium Candidates and actively persuaded family and friends away from the NIMBY crowd

  • ssj joseph

    Wasserman look and who ever behind you, we will never let you go with your plans and dreams, we will nevr let you build the stadium in warm springs or anywhere in Fremont, you jurk and lier you did not say anything about that before the election. any way I did not elect you.

  • Doug

    Here’s more trivial info regarding ball parks in the U.S. I don’t understand why the Giants are so protective of San Jose as their territory when Oakland is closer. Anyway here’s the stats for you to digest. The mileage is stadium-to-stadium and shows teams in the same state or same metro area.

    Pittsburgh Pirates to Philadelphia Phillies – 258 miles
    Houston Astros to Texas Rangers – 258 miles
    Florida Marlins to Tampa Bay Rays – 252 miles
    Cincinnati Reds to Cleveland Indians – 250 miles

    San Francisco Giants to Oakland A’s / 16 mi. / 7.2M metro pop.
    Chicago Cubs to Chicago White Sox / 9.7 mi. / 9.7M metro pop.
    Los Angeles Dodgers to Calif. Angels / 30 mi. / 17.8 metro pop.
    New York Mets to New York Yankees / 10 mi. / 18.8 metro pop.

    So S.F. has the smallest metro population, but has a team the third closest after N.Y. and Chicago.

    San Francisco to Fremont – 36 miles
    San Francisco to San Jose – 49 miles

    Go figure.

  • Jon Simon

    Affluence pays for tickets, not population.

  • Doug

    Jon, if I read your comment correctly what you’re saying is San Jose and the Peninsula has more bucks for the Giants to draw from than the East Bay. Very possible.

  • bbox231

    …maybe so, but Peninsula “fans” (I use the term loosely) are pretty finicky and are (I speculate) less likely to give up their “affluence” per capita than east-bay residents who, while less afluent are much more enthralled with sports (ala A’s, Warriors, Raiders)

    I agree with Jon – you need affluence to pay for tickets – but you also need interest/desire. What the East Bay lacks in affluence is more than made up for in demand/desire.

    Penninsula-ites are far more interested in the vintage of the Chardonnay they serve up in the parking lot before the game . . . then they are who wins the game.

  • Jon Simon

    I’m saying that the Bay Area has enough affluent people to support two teams.

  • Doug

    Jon and Bbox231, care to speculate on the relative importance of physical location of the ballparks? If the Bay Area can support two teams, why were the Giants not opposed to a team 16 miles away, but are to the same team being 49 miles away? Why was San Jose so important for the Giants “team territory”?

  • bbox231

    I’d guess that answer has something to do with demographics of their “customer” base.

    As I considered Doug’s questions, my first thought was that perhaps a greater percentage of south bay “affluence” is spent on sporting events – whereas, north peninsula “old money” is less enthralled with sporting events.

    But, this thinking runs counter to the obvious major sources of revenue which I believe come primarilly from marketing of logo’d “stuff” and TV. To that end, I’d speculate that the South Bay customer is more tech-literate and, therefore, active and likely to drive the all-important “buzz” which saavy marketeers hold so dearly today. What New York and Los Angelas were once to TV and radio Broadcasting (in the early years) – I am guessing the South Bay is to the “net-casting” world. Just a guess . . . .

  • Doug

    A review of the “Stadium Issue” mentions the Giants claiming territorial rights, but doesn’t offer much detail.

    The Giants moved to Seal Stadium in S.F. in 1957. They moved to Candlestick Park in 1960. The A’s moved to Oakland in 1968.

    The Internet was just a gleam in Al Gore’s eye (joke) and Silicon Valley was basically chip manufacturing at the time.

  • Doug

    For some reason the post of my last comment dropped the link for the Stadium Issue mentioned, which came from the Wikipedia entry for Oakland A’s. I won’t try to include it again.

  • MikeTeeVee

    Lew Wolff is currently trying to build two stadiums: A baseball stadium for the A’s, and a soccer stadium for the Earthquakes.

    At the moment, the A’s stadium is planned for Fremont, and the Earthquakes stadium is planned for Santa Clara.

    How about swapping them? How about building the Earthquakes soccer stadium at Pacific Commons or Warm Springs?

    It would be a smaller stadium, with about a dozen MLS home games per season, usually at 7pm on Saturday. Costco closes at 6pm on Saturday, so there’d be minimal conflict for them.

  • bbox231

    Interesting thought, Mike -

    I’m just wondering though – does a “soccer village” have the same appeal as a “baseball village” ??

    My first reaction is absolutely “nope” – but that’s grey hair talking – - – - Does a level of “nostalgia” exist in the minds of soccer fans (and are there enough of them) such that they would see it attractive to live next door to such a facility ?

    “Baseball village” evokes something of a positive image. But – what is a “Soccer village” ????

  • MikeTeeVee

    The Warm Springs location separates the stadium from the village, and in any case the housing portion of the plan will probably be delayed.

    The current soccer plan builds a stadium on the old FMC site next to the SJ airport, in exchange for building housing somewhere else in San Jose (on land formerly zoned industrial). So there’s already a plan to build a soccer stadium without an adjoining village.

    Either way, Lew Wolff is primarily a real estate developer who happens to own a couple sports teams. I suppose he’ll build whatever he can, wherever he can. So my main question is whether Fremont neighbors (at Pac Commons or Warm Springs) would tolerate a soccer stadium rather than a baseball stadium. And whether City Hall would be satisfied with a soccer stadium rather than a baseball stadium.

  • No to Warm Spring

    A Warm Springs location for the stadium is crazy!! It will be in walking distance to one of the best elementary schools. Fremont can barely muster police to patrol our city today, let alone protect our kids from unruly mobs.

    Fact check, even if the stadium is next to the BARt at Warm Springs:
    1. Bart station won’t be ready until 2-3 years AFTER the stadium is built
    2. People from the south bay STILL HAVE TO DRIVE and this was the primary reason A’s wanted to move south (to be more accessible to the south bay)
    3. The Stadium can be used for more than baseball–concerts, rallies, etc…

    Do you want to take one of the safest cities with the best school districts into the toilet?

    Write Senior Planner Kelly Diekmann at kdiekmann@ci.fremont.ca.us and Bob Wasserman at bwasserman@ci.fremont.ca.us

  • Doug

    The city of Phoenix, AZ had the official dedication and opening of their new, 20-mile light rail line this weekend. It runs right alongside Chase Field, home of the Arizona Diamondbacks. The DBacks placed an ad in the Metro’s brochure with this headline: “Distance from home plate to center field-407ft. Distance from light rail stop to Chase Field-337ft.” Catchy. (sorry for the pun)

    Oh, the light rail system cost $1.5 Billion and took five years to build.

  • bbox231

    Mike TV’s comments raised an interesting point for me.

    Isn’t there a bit of a “trade” that Wolfe & Co wants as part of their stadium “development” deal ?

    Specifically, Lou gets certain land-use/right concessions from the city which eventually adds to his return on the development of the stadium . . . so – isn’t his first choice to develope a stadium *somewhere* where he can negotiate incremental concessions in exchange for the stadium ? The stadium itself is an attraction for some communities – brings ‘em to the bargaining table and maybe they throw in some land use concessions in hopes of scoring the stadium . . ..

    My point is, doesnt the fragmentation of the ballpark village idea significantly reduce Wolfe’s expected return on this development ? Why would he want to build JUST a stadium anywhere (including San Jose) , if he thought he could get the village somewhere ?

  • Sandy

    Football Stadium will bring more crime to Fremont than Baseball Stadium. Baseball is very safe sport than football. I will support A’s move to Fremont.

  • bbox231

    Brian Chang is back.

  • Sandy

    bbox231, I’m not Brian Chang

  • MikeTeeVee

    Sandy Says: “Football Stadium will bring more crime to Fremont than Baseball Stadium.”

    Nobody is proposing a football stadium in Fremont, as far as I know. The SF 49ers are planning a stadium in Santa Clara, next to Great America.

    Or did you mean futbol/soccer?

  • MikeTeeVee

    bbox231 Says: “Doesn’t the fragmentation of the ballpark village idea significantly reduce Wolfe’s expected return on this development? Why would he want to build JUST a stadium anywhere (including San Jose), if he thought he could get the village somewhere?”

    The New A’s Ballpark blog http://newballpark.blogspot.com/ has a lot of detail about multiple ways that the funding can work.

    It’s not clear that the village concept (ballpark with adjacent shopping and housing) is an end in itself. It’s just one possible way to develop some land and build a ballpark.

    In the current soccer stadium plan, the housing and stadium are nowhere near each other.

  • Sandy

    MikeTeeVee Says: “How about building the Earthquakes soccer stadium at Pacific Commons or Warm Springs?”

    Nobody is proposing a soccer stadium in Fremont. Oakland A’s can not move to San Jose because it’s the Giants’ territorial rights.

    Football stadium will be bringing more crime to Fremont and baseball stadium will bringing less crime to Fremont. I will definitely oppose a football stadium than baseball stadium. So I’m glad that Lew Wolff is bringing the A’s to Fremont. I will definitely support the A’s move to Fremont.

  • MikeTeeVee

    Sandy Says: “Nobody is proposing a soccer stadium in Fremont. Oakland A’s can not move to San Jose because it’s the Giants’ territorial rights.”

    I proposed the soccer-baseball stadium swap earlier in these comments, because I’m curious what the local reaction would be, and because I’m curious if it’s any more or less possible than the current stadium plans.

    The territorial rights have been discussed above, and quite a bit in the newballpark blog (linked in previous comment). My impression is that if a ballpark can’t be built in Fremont, those rights will be addressed one way or another.

  • bbox231

    Mike Tee Vee says – “It’s not clear that the village concept (ballpark with adjacent shopping and housing) is an end in itself. It’s just one possible way to develop some land and build a ballpark”

    Good point – Wolfe could get concessions for land beyond the immediate ballpark . . . . it doesn’t have to be the original “village” concept . .. . and I suppose our city leaders will be glad to negotiate just about anything that gets them an MLB franchise in their city limits. . . . whatever the cost.

  • Doug

    MikeTeeVee – FYI – MLS Stadium in Philly
    Philadelphia’s new Major League Soccer team broke ground on a soccer-specific stadium in Chester, where the team will begin play in 2010, on Monday.

    The 18,500-seat stadium will be constructed at the foot of the Commodore Barry Bridge, just 13 miles from downtown Philadelphia. The multi-purpose stadium will feature an 11,000 square foot club, 30 suites and a built-in concert stage. The new structure will also have a waterfront park and plaza used, not only for stadium entry, but also for city sponsored events such as festivals. The new stadium is the centerpiece of a $500 million development covering more than 100 acres along the Delaware River waterfront.