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Weibel Protest

Below are pictures from this evening’s protest. A police officer on the scene estimated about 700 to 800 people showed up. I thought it was more 500-600. They lined South Grimmer from just about Paseo Padre all the way to the Weibel Elementary School, where the A’s had planned to hold a meeting for just 25 people.

The “No Stadium” chants were really loud.

With such a large turnout, the A’s shifted gears and allowed 500 people in to school’s multi-purpose room for an impromptu Q&A session. It got off to a rowdy start, with huge cheers for one fella who asked the audience whether Mayor Wasserman should be recalled if he supports the Warm Springs stadium site.

The A’s plan to officially submit a new application later this month, which will lead to an environmental review of the Warm Springs BART area as the preferred ballpark site.

The council will address the stadium issue next on Feb. 24.

Here are the pictures:


This last one is the backside of A’s co-owner Keith Wolff and the team’s consultant Jim Cunneen looking as they address the protestors.

Matt Artz

  • Irvington

    Matt, I think you’re underestimating at 500-600 people at the protest. They allowed 500 into the multi-purpose room and there were just as many left outside.

    Having attended City public meetings many times over the years, I have to say that the people attending tonight were remarkably well-behaved and not at all “rowdy”, particularly in light of the disastrous effect that the stadium would have on this town in general and the Wiebel neighborhood in particular. The only rowdy person in the crowd was a plant from the A’s who refused to stop yelling unless he could get absolute library quiet from a group of 500 people, many of whom were children.

    If you’re out there, Keith Wolfe, I didn’t get to ask my question – how do you feel about coming to a town where you’re clearly not wanted? If you were at all surprised at the number of people who showed up tonight, wait until February 24.

  • ivy wu

    I walked my dog there, and was very surprised to see so many people. It was nice that the venue of the meeting was changed from a classroom to the multipurpose room to accommodate the large crowd. It was overall very orderly.

  • You_Kidding_Me

    I find it ironic that the protesters are mostly just people from the Mission area who protest the A’s coming to Fremont. All they care about is having their nice and quiet neighborhood where their kids can grow and become the next geniuses of society. Meanwhile, on the other side of town, businesses are failing, crime/vandalism is on the rise, and things in general are getting worse from my point of view. Do you know how many times my old high school gets vandalized? It got to the point where it seems so normal. There were even stabbing incidents as well. Meanwhile, I bet schools over on the “other side” would send letters home to parents about how someone spray-painted profanity that has “mentally affected” the students at their prestigious school. But then again, it’s not like those rich pompous asses over in the hills would give a damn about the affairs over on the other side of town anyway.

    “Kids first, No Stadium”?! The more correct term would be “Mission kids first, No Stadium!” or “Rich-kids-who-have-more-privilege-than-other-kids first, No Stadium!”

  • Matt Zinger

    Good show Fremonters. People finally woke up and realized they are being led by incompetent people at City Hall. While we are at it, let us recall the Mayor and the entire City Council in a special election this summer. Time to get rid of the status-quo politicians.

  • SuperDuper

    Matt, Matt, Matt – there was at least 1000 people present tonight. . . . if I didn’t know better, I might think you were intentionally down-playing the significance of this evenings’ little get-together.

  • Henry

    I was there today, and I have to say this “Good job, Fremont citizen!!!”
    I believe we members of Fremont City Council that Fremont is not an ideal location for A’s.

  • Brian

    Matt,

    Both Keith Wolff and Nina Moore kept mentioning that City of Fremont will conduct independent economic report. Can you find out if that is the case and when will it be available to the public? Will the report be available before the draft EIR is out?

  • Matt Artz

    The cop was probably right with his 700-800 estimate. They never did have a full 500 in the multi-purpose room, according to the last guy who was manning the door. Still, it was the most people I’ve seen in one place in Fremont outside of the Art Festival. I didn’t mean “rowdy” in physical sense. I could have picked a better word, but I didn’t really have much time last night.

  • Doug

    “…it was the most people I’ve seen in one place in Fremont outside of the Art Festival.”

    Matt, you obviously didn’t have the opportunity to attend Celebrate Fremont @ the Park. Now THAT was a party and a shining moment for Fremont!

    Let’s have more, just not inside a stadium.

  • worble

    NO TO THE BALLPARK IN FREMONT!!!!!
    RECALL W-ASS-ERMAN!!!!

  • ivy wu

    Hi, Doug,

    Yes, Celebrate Fremont @ the Park was quite a party! I shared at the joint meeting between School Board and City Council last Monday about how supportive I was of the cause of Celebrate Fremont because it really brought the City together; but now the City is divided! I pleaded with our Mayor and City Council to really care and listen to the people!

  • aml

    this may have to be among the most inane “news” stories i’ve read. what were these folks concerned about? what were their questions? what were the answers? what is the follow up? why did the A’s expect so few people? sheesh.

  • N0 Stadium

    Keith Wolff, Lew Wolff, Wasserman, Sue Chan, and the other City Council Members are definitely NOT SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER.
    Stadiums do not belong near schools or residential neighborhoods. There is no need to even evaluate if a stadium located 1/2 mile from an elementary school and 400 yards from homes is a good fit. It’s a no brainer,its not. When will the A’s and our City leaders get a clue?

  • Smalls

    YES TO THE BALLPARK IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT MOVE!!!!!

    HEY WORBLE YOU MUST BE A CAPT. KANGROO BACKER? THE ELECTION WAS FAIR YOUR MAN LOST AND YOU ARE STILL CRYING ABOUT IT. WASSERMAN WAS UP FRONT ON WHERE HE STOOD ON THE STADIUM FROM THE START AND WAS ELECTED FOR THAT REASON!!

  • J

    You_Kidding_Me,

    Contrary to what you and the A’s advocate, a stadium will not bring economic prosperity to Fremont.

    The majority economic studies conclude that stadiums DO NOT LEAD TO NET ECONOMIC BENEFITS TO THE CITY.

    Rather, the stadium leads to a shifting of where dollars are spent as people spend money at the stadium rather than at other businesses around the city.

    Further, the costs for supporting the stadium are substantial. While the A’s say that they will pay for everything and the City will not have to pay for anything, do you really buy that line? Name one stadium where ALL necessary costs and support have been born by the team? Public subsidies have always been involved in different forms for all modern stadiums. Look at what has happened with the Yankee in development. Economic analysis indicates that San Franciscans are paying $10 per person per year to support AT&T park, and Oakland residents are paying $25 per person per year to support the Coliseum’s upgrades from 1997.

    Who will pay for additional police services? Fremont has 16 officers max on duty throughout the city at any one time while stadiums like AT&T have 18-24 police officers just for stadium security! (http://www.insidebayarea.com/argus/ci_3900682)

    What about additional fire department personnel? What about street maintenance? What about public utility maintenance? What about noise, light and pollution from having 10,000+ cars driving through Fremont for games and other events?

    Those are all costs that have always been born by the City.

    The A’s are out to make a profit. They are not out to lose money. Don;t think that they have our best interests in mind when they want to build a stadium in Fremont.

  • http://fremontcitizensnetwork.com WS resident

    You_kidding_me. I am sorry that you feel that just because a group of people has worked hard to develop their family and career that it is then OK to ruin the ENTIRE southern area of Fremont with a money-losing stadium just because of their success. There were many people from Warm Springs who do not want to be prisoners in their own home. This issue is much bigger than Mission (BTW, most of the attenees were Weibel residents).

    This stadium will tie up 680 and 880 and cost the city $1,000,000 per year and that is the roiest scenario according to the A’s so you know it is more like $2,000,000! So this is the time to not be trying to divide all residents, bit unite. Go to fremontcitizens.com for more info on how WE can all help

  • Lew Wolff

    It’s amazing to me what a bunch of dummies live in Fremont. Don’t you losers know that this is good for your town??

    Simply amazing what a lack of intelligence there is out there.

  • Hugh G.

    a’s suck … they should move to sacramento.

  • La Boca

    Smalls;

    Do you think that Wasserman would have won the election if he been “up front” on the alternative Warm Springs location (i.e., instead of delaying the release of the “Notice of Preparation – NOP” until after the election)???

    BTW; recall elections are fair also, are they not?

  • worble

    Smalls We people of Fremont live here because it is s nice place to live and if we want to spend our hard earned cash on over paid athletes we can drive to oakland or San Fran and see them. W-ass-erman does not give a crap about you or the people of Fremont if he did he would not try and cram this bad project down our throat without letting the people of Fremont to vote. RECALL W-ASS-ERMAN

  • Doug

    A picture says it best so I suggest you visit http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/. You can look at each stadium in the MLB. Lots of photos. Not one sits near a single-family residential development.

    Not satisfied with these photos? Below are the addresses of all MLB stadiums sans Oakland and S.F. Copy and paste them into a document on your computer then copy and paste one at a time into a Search on http://www.maps.google.com/ and look at the entire area surrounding each stadium. Let me know what you find.
    American League Ballparks
    1250 First Avenue South, Seattle, WA
    1000 Ballpark Way, Arlington, TX
    2000 Gene Autry Way, Anaheim, CA
    333 West 35th Street, Chicago, IL
    2401 Ontario Street, Cleveland, Ohio
    501 Chicago Avenue, Minneapolis, MN
    1 Royal Way, Kansas City, MO
    2100 Woodward Avenue, Detroit, MI
    East 161st Street at River Avenue; Bronx, NY
    1 Stadium Drive, St. Petersburg, FL
    One Blue Jays Way, Toronto, Ontario
    4 Yawkey Way, Boston, MA
    333 West Camden Street, Baltimore, MD

    National League Ballparks
    19 Tony Gwynn Way, San Diego, CA
    1000 Elysian Park Ave, Los Angeles, CA
    2001 Blake Street, Denver, CO
    401 E. Jefferson Street, Phoenix, AZ
    1060 West Addison Street, Chicago, IL
    115 Federal Street, Pittsburgh, PA
    501 Crawford Street, Houston, TX
    One Brewers Way, Milwaukee, WI
    100 Main St., Cincinnati, OH
    700 Clark Street, St. Louis, MO
    755 Hank Aaron Drive, Atlanta, GA
    126th Street and Roosevelt, Queens, NY
    1500 South Capitol Street, SE, Washington, DC
    2267 Dan Marino Blvd, Miami, FL
    One Citizens Bank Way, Philadelphia, PA

  • http://www.bacon2008.com Vinnie Bacon

    It was a great turnout last night!! The Fremont Citizens Network (http://www.fremontcitizensnetwork.org) has done a great job organizing Fremont residents to action.

    I don’t like the attempt to make this a Warm Springs vs. the rest of Fremont issue. I know many people who don’t live in Warm Springs and don’t like the idea of a ballpark in Fremont. Warm Springs is obviously the most impacted and most concerned but that doesn’t mean they’re alone. They’re concerned about what this would do to their neighborhood. Please tell me what’s wrong with that.

    I think the burden of proof is on the ballpark advocates to demonstrate clearly how this will help Fremont economically. Supposedly, the main help to Fremont would be in the form of sales tax from the ‘Santana Row’ like development. In this economy, no one in their right mind would go ahead with something like this. So, where do our benefits now come from?

    We’re told that businesses would come to Fremont because of the ballpark. Can the ballpark advocates provide some examples? From what I’ve heard Lowe’s, CostCo, NUMMI, UniGen and other existing businesses are quite concerned about the impacts of the ballpark on their business. I don’t think businesses like software companies choose to be close to ballparks. Also, we should analyze the effect on Fremont’s economy if the ballpark caused NUMMI to leave town. That would really hurt our economy.

    Remember, the A’s own estimates have this project creating permanent jobs that average $26,000 a year. This is going to help our economy?

    Sorry, I think this is a bad deal for Fremont as a whole.

  • WarbleFly

    Really,,in an area with nearly half a million residents, the anti-fun crowd was really small. Of course there will always be NIMBYs on every issue anywhere at any time.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimby

    I was at the meeting too and the crowd was ill informed and could not be considered a cross section of Fremont. The whole thing reminded me of that 80s movie ‘Footloose” when the restrictive NIMBYs tried to ban dancing.

    Bottom line,,the A’s park will benefit the whole community. Those in opposition are strictly special interest, NIMBYS and some bizarre folks who are bitter than the pro A’s candidates won so easily.

  • NoStadium

    Replying to Doug.
    Excellent Research Doug. The City Council and Planning Staff should see this.

    I was in Rome last summer and visited the Coliseum. Nearly 2000 years ago the Roman city planners were smart enough not to place their Coliseum next residental communities but in the center of the city.

    Why is it that Lew Wolff, Wasserman, Sue Chan and the City council members think a stadium 800 yards from an Elementary school and 400 yards from our homes is good city planning?

  • worble

    Warblefly take another puff. Your so blinded by the smoke you can’t think straight. Ill informed is what W-ass-erman is doing to the city of Fremont by trying to sneak this bad project into the warmsprings area when his first choice failed. RECALL W-ASS-ERMAN

  • WarbleFly

    Worble,
    Of all the anti-fun crowd, you are easily the goofiest one! Thank you for taking your silly pot shots! It gives us a clear picture of the ignorant NIMBYs your represent with such libelous zeal. :)

  • papa bear

    Matt,

    Is there any place to find out the questions that were brought up?

    1. Wasserman ran on the campaign of ballpark in Fremont, it surprises me that people woke up a few days after the election?

    2. I would like to add a link to a fremont ex-employee who posted in another forum regarding plan-b for stadium..
    http://forums.insidebayarea.com/topic/a-real-plan-b-for-as-in-fremont

    3. I am all for a stadium in fremont, but osgood & grimmer is not a good location..

    My Reasons:
    a. traffic is already bad, those commuter lanes aren’t helping.
    b. The BART will have last station in Fremont across the street..(from proposed location for stadium) until the southbay cities figure out how BART will reach downtown sanjose- the traffic will increase just to BART to go to san francisco

    I also wonder, Is there no other way of attracting businesses then this big problem?

  • Poor Fremont Resident

    To all who wants the stadium,
    You-kidding me, Smalls, Doug, Worble,

    For all those who want the A’s stadium, why don’t you guys and Wolff, Lew Wolff, Wasserman, Sue Chan, and the other City Council Members move to the same location and build your own stadium. You want the money & you get the $. You want the jobs, you get the job. You want the crime, drugs and traffic, you also get them. I think this is fair, since you guys are so fancy about that.

    Regarding economic gains of having a stadium, NO ONE ever shows data/facts to support how a stadium will bring NET economic benefits. Sorry, nice pictures tell nothing. Please go to interview people who physically live close to stadium, read the crime and drug incidents from the police report of the neighborhood, check the house values before and after the stadium to build, and compare the traffic commute time between a game day and regular date. You get the data. If you guys are so smart, you can choose to move your family next door. OR better still, why don’t you move to Oakland Coliseum now to get the jobs and great lives you want?

    We live in USA. We just elected a PRESIDENT who loves and respects our citizens. This act by the City Government to secretly sell out our neighborhood to rich interest group is disappointing. If they so believe their rights, why can’t they show up last night to face the people? If they so think they are so righteous, why can’t they provide a detailed plan and hire an independent group to conduct an economic study? If they think this is such a great idea, why is that A only initially allows 25 people to communicate with the residents. All these are hypocritical acts that even kids can read thru.

    Contrary to what you guys think, I am not rich and I also want job. But I won’t sacrifice my family, my kids’ life and my neighborhood just to get $ to feed the mouths. If you want to take the poison pills, pls go ahead. You have no right to poison my kids and families.

  • A’s fan

    I’m starting to wonder if California even deserves sports teams. No matter where the A’s express interest in building a ballpark, anyone near the site dismisses it out of hand (and screaming), and don’t even give the A’s an opportunity to address their concerns.

    The A’s staying in the Bay area is a good thing for the community. Instead of screaming bloody murder that your neighborhood will morph into a crack den overnight if the stadium is built, what’s wrong with trying to come up with plans that allow everyone to succeed?

    Just curious, for those of you opposed to having the stadium built in Warm Springs (which appears to be nearly everyone), where would you propose it be built?

  • bbox231

    Warble baby – you’re back with your usual anecdotes and name calling – - and here I thought you had left town.

    “ignorant NIMBY’s “, “anti-fun crowd”, “libelous”

    Stay focussed on the issues would you (the reason you bailed on this topic the last time was the opposing questions and facts were too tough for you to deal with directly and not once could you offer a convincing statement of fact regarding clear concerns). Seemed like your personalized attacks had pretty well discredited you back then – - – I’m guessing you were hoping that some wouldn’t remember.

    Keep the personalized rhetoric coming – the “NIMBY’s and anti-fun crowd” still want to know how this thing pays for itself – how it DOESN’T end up costing the city millions – Why business isn’t “thriving” in Oakland around the current coliseum and a boatload of other questions that none of the pro-A’s faction on this board have offered any substantive explanations for – instead they’re really really busy churning out curious personalized accusations.

    Nice to have you back.

  • Poor Fremont Resident

    A’s fan,

    I do not agree with some of your commens. A’s has proposed their plan to move to Fremont many years ago. They have all the time in the past few years to prepare detailed plan and explanation to the residents what they want or plan to do. But so far, we get no info., no explanation, no details that address our concerns except promises of money and benefits. We live here. We walk our kids to school every day. We drive to work every day. We pay taxes. We are honest citizens who just want to raise our family in a safe neighborhood.

    Yes, we would love to keep a A’s in the Bay Area. But no matter where they propose to move, I think the minimum they should do is the face the public, work with the community to talk/address the concerns and pick an area that would have minimal interference to the neighborhood.

    So far, the Fremont residents have only heard of the “closed door” discussions between the City Government and A’s management. They show arrogance and no respect to the residents. What would you think if your kids have to live 3 blocks away from a hugh stadium? What do you think if your kids have to walk past the stadium every day to go to their elementary school? We of course have every right to ask questions and express our concerns.

    A’s first proposal is to build the stadium in Pacific Commons, much further away from residential area. At that time, Fremont residents have less opposition. But then due to objections by business groups, they now decide to move to a residential area. It is so sad to see that our City Government, the people we vote and elect, sell PEOPLE out to business interests. I thought they work for us, not for financial interest groups.

    Bottom line is that A offers no comprehensive plan. A offers no data/analysis. A offers no answers to address our concerns. A offers no respect even to communicate and answer direct questions to the community. It can show in simple arrogance that A’s owner ONLY originally plan to allow 25 residents to talk to him direct. If you have time, pls check history of this proposal dated back many years ago to get some history.

    No matter where A wants to move, they should first learn respect the neighborhood. I wish them luck.

  • Smalls

    WORBLE

    I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 35 YEARS!
    WHAT IS THE DRAW TO FREMONT? THERE IS NOTHING THAT WILL DRAW PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN MAYBE THE HUB? MAYBE THE NEW WATER PARK? NO PACIFIC COMMONS THAT IS SWEET. 10 DIFFERENT ASIAN RESTRAUNTS WOW!!!

  • A’s fan

    The A’s have provided a wealth of information on their plans for Fremont, and worked pretty tirelessly to address the concerns about the original site. That has been killed by yet more people that view its construction much like a prison site would be viewed. Sure, we need one, but you can’t build it here.

    As you rightly point out, there is less information about the Warm Springs site, since it was not the original plan, and is only now being discussed because people now don’t want to accommodate the site originally discussed. I think inviting 500 potentially hostile people into a Q&A forum is a pretty good attempt at good faith communication, though.

    Before we assume that construction of a stadium at the Warm Springs site will create crime, drugs, and untenable traffic within the neighborhood, shouldn’t we actually study those concerns to determine whether or not they’re valid, or whether or not they can be mitigated?

  • Smalls

    A RECALL IS IN ORDER IF THERE WAS ANYWRONG DOING. OIN THIS CASE THERE WAS NONE. THEIS IS THE CASE OF A GROUP OF SORE LOSERS CRYING BECAUSE THEY LOST.

  • Poor Fremont Resident

    A’s fan,

    A’s did not invite the 500 people originally. The 500 residents kinda force “talked” themselves into the meeting. A’s and City Government should organize a bigger town hall meeting to allow more participation and discussion.

    Since no thorough analysis has been done yet in Warm Spring site, at least the decision should be held off until such data are done so. My husband has read their original application and in his opinion, he does not believe that the concerns are sufficiently addressed to the neighborhood. To be fair, I think we should have a 3rd independent party to conduct the study and let the data / info show the truth.

    Small,

    Thanks for the reminder. I think Fremont residents should kick off a recall ASAP. I don’t know how this is being done. But I will talk to our neighbor and my priest to find out.

    Warblefly,

    I moved from Oakland to Fremont 3 years ago to provide a better life to my babies. I will do everything I can to make my babies grow up safe.

    We all live in Fremont. I think we all love the neighborhood we live in. Though we may have different opinions, I think the best & fairest way is to let the whole city to decide, maybe in a ballot.

  • A’s fan

    It’s true they didn’t invite 500 people originally; they only invited 25. I’m merely pointing out that an organization uninterested in working in good faith probably wouldn’t throw open the doors to the gatecrashers when they arrived, since it’s an equation that isn’t likely to work in their favor.

    I agree that thorough analysis should be done, but that’s exactly what filing the application will trigger. I am only concerned that most people seem to have made up their mind before they have that information available to them.

  • bbox231

    A’s fan -

    when you say that ” am only concerned that most people seem to have made up their mind before they have that information ” – here is some information that has caused me to make up my mind -

    1. Our city leadership cant forecast tax revenues accurately from year to year – how will they forecast many dozens of years of expenses associated with the ballpark they know little about ????

    2. Our city leadership cant develope a small project like Centerville – why should I have confidence that they can develop a much LARGER project like the ballpark ?

    3. What will the A’s do to cleanup the area around the coliseum as they depart ? Will they need to cleanup the new ballpark in a few years when and if they leave Fremont ?

    4. How will our strained police and roadways handle the demands of so many thousands of fans ? We cant afford to deliver basic services to taxpayers now – what makes us think we can handle the additioanl wear and tear these folks will place on our city ?

    Please no anecdotes – no name calling – please, I invite your thoughtful factual responses to these questions and concerns.

  • Doug

    Gosh I love Google Maps! It really puts it all in perspective (pun). Take a look at McAfee Coliseum on Google Maps and check the distance to the closest residential area (to the east). Using the measuring guide in the lower left corner of the satellite image measure it for yourself. Now go to Fremont and at the same scale take a look at the distance between the empty field that is the potential Warm Springs stadium site and the residential development directly across I-680. Not even McAfee is THAT close to housing!

  • Simon

    We need to make sure that the planning commision and council members do not approve the site at Warm Springs. We need to all turn out at the Feb 24 meeting at fremont city hall and every other meeting to protest or otherwise we will be having a definite tax increase and crime increase. If this ball park comes to fremont all fremont residents will pay for it, ALL fremont residents.

  • WarbleFly

    The Giants park residential housing directly across the street! Gasp! Call the National Guard! Baseball fans gone wild! Chicken Little never had it this good!!!

  • irvington

    Simon is correct, so do need a large turn-out at the February 24 Council meeting. I hope everyone will make time in their busy schedules to come out and show their support.

    I would also like to get straight on one issue that was brought to my attention again at the Wiebel protest. This stadium proposal is a terrible idea for Fremont in general, as a whole.

    I don’t live near either Pacific Commons or the Warm Springs area, but as a life-long resident I know that we need to support eachother in keeping this a clean, livable city. The stadium does not belong at EITHER Pacific Commons or Warm Springs – they are both equally awful choices. There is no place for a professional sports stadium in this town.

    I hope people who are thinking that they will compromise by sacrificing Pacific Commons to save Warm Springs, or vice-versa, will come to realize that we need to be unified in our opposition to the stadium proposal as a whole.

  • Annie

    You kidding me: I’m hoping you’re not feeling all this hatred towards Mission folks as you stated. I can feel your anger, but please don’t stereo-type us. When we bought a home here we did not pick this area for any reason except that it looked pretty good. That’s it. Didn’t know a thing about it or Fremont. This was years ago. I almost didn’t want to respond to you, but I’d like to try and get you to understand my point of view. For the record I have a lot of friends that live in north and central Fremont. People are people. I hate the way this A’s development is dividing our city. The reason why Mission people are protesting as you stated or do you mean WS people is because this is where the planned stadium is proposed to be built. I hope that makes sense to you. I love baseball, my kids play baseball and no we don’t only care about education. Oh, and we are definitely not rich. I consider our family be very well-rounded. Can you imagine if a stadium were to be built in your neighborhood after living there for years? This is why we are upset. If this happened to your area believe me I would protest for you because I don’t feel that it is right. You see we do care about your part of Fremont. I have friends living there and I care about them just as much as myself. You mentioned a lot of vandalism going on, it’s happening here too. A stadium will only contribute to this. I hope you will consider stopping this from happening. WS is not a good location for a ballpark, it’s way too small of an area and already has so much traffic. More importantly, our homes were there first. I think San Jose would be a better place. That’s all I wanted to say.

  • Old Timer Tom

    Assuming the A’s stadium will be built, regardless of whether it is in PC or Warm Spring; Fremont residents will have to deal with the horrendous traffic since the Warm Spring Bart Station is to be completed two to three years later.

    Even after that the situation will not improve based on Lew Wolff’s comment about BART ridership on game day. He was interviewed by Matt Artz a while back.

    ****************
    A’s owner not sweating lack of BART at Fremont ballpark site
    By Matthew Artz
    MediaNews
    Posted: 01/23/2007 07:52:07 PM PST

    The Oakland A’s are nearing completion on a traffic and parking plan for their proposed stadium in Fremont that could be presented privately to city officials in a few weeks.
    A’s co-owner Lew Wolff wouldn’t offer details of the plan during a luncheon with San Jose business leaders Tuesday, but assured them that “there are ways to handle the traffic.”

    He also wasn’t worried that the nearest BART station stands four miles away from the proposed Fremont site. The majority of A’s fans, Wolff said, drive to the team’s current home in Oakland, even though it is adjacent to BART.

    “If BART was as effective as we thought they would be, the parking lots wouldn’t be as crowded,” he said.
    *****************

    This traffic quagmire will happen.

  • A’s fan

    Doug,

    Your Google maps must be broken. There are residences directly adjacent to the BART parking lot, which is right across the street from the Coliseum.

    Bbox231,

    1. Our city leadership cant forecast tax revenues accurately from year to year – how will they forecast many dozens of years of expenses associated with the ballpark they know little about ????

    By that logic, the city of Fremont should just avoid development opportunities altogether, since such costs are always inherent with them.

    2. Our city leadership cant develope a small project like Centerville – why should I have confidence that they can develop a much LARGER project like the ballpark ?

    The city isn’t being asked to develop anything; they’re being asked to let an enormously successful real estate developer with a long and proven track record to develop something.

    3. What will the A’s do to cleanup the area around the coliseum as they depart ? Will they need to cleanup the new ballpark in a few years when and if they leave Fremont ?

    The area around the Coliseum looks a whole lot better than it did ten years ago. A 30-year lease will be the bare minimum required for a new ballpark (it was the plan with the original ballpark site), so there isn’t much reason to worry about them leaving anytime soon–nor is there any precedent for this in baseball with other franchises.

    4. How will our strained police and roadways handle the demands of so many thousands of fans ? We cant afford to deliver basic services to taxpayers now – what makes us think we can handle the additioanl wear and tear these folks will place on our city ?

    It will actually be handled somewhat better at this site than the original one, since it will be much closer to a BART station. Those are good questions, though. Assuming the answer is “they can’t” in the absence of any evidence isn’t a very good answer.

  • Doug

    A’s Fan, I won’t make you go back and search for my post. Read what I said again…this time carefully:

    1. Check the distance to the CLOSEST residential area (to the east).

    2. Using the measuring guide in the lower left corner of the satellite image measure it for yourself.

    3. Now go to Fremont and at the same scale take a look at the distance between the empty field that is the potential Warm Springs stadium site and the residential development directly across I-680.

    Not even McAfee is THAT close to housing!

  • A’s fan

    Across the street is across the street.

  • bbox231

    A’s Fan -

    “By that logic, the city of Fremont should just avoid development opportunities altogether, since such costs are always inherent with them. ”

    Not quite what I’m suggesting – but you’re close – we should not trust economic forecasts that the current management team and staff put forth. It’s our inability to project and forecast that’s been previously tested and demonstrated to be inept. The benefit or negative impact of this ballpark will depend on many, many projections and the ensuing negotations to ensure the reality of those projections.

    A’s fan says -
    “The city isn’t being asked to develop anything; they’re being asked to let an enormously successful real estate developer with a long and proven track record to develop something”

    Bbox responds – - the point is that the city will be closely involved in managing many aspects of the design of the proposed ballpark and one thing they might want to do is to understand what the local community might desire in such a development and to work with the developers to realize those design aims. We couldn’t do it in Centerville – we certainly wont be able to do it with a much larger design like the ballpark.

    A’s fan says -
    “The area around the Coliseum looks a whole lot better than it did ten years ago. A 30-year lease will be the bare minimum required for a new ballpark (it was the plan with the original ballpark site), so there isn’t much reason to worry about them leaving anytime soon–nor is there any precedent for this in baseball with other franchises.”

    Bbox responds – Wow – - – “…a whole lot better than it did 10 years ago .???..” – as a 50 year resident of the Bay Area, the Coliesum and its surrounding area has progressively deterioriated over my lifetime. And, I’m glad to hear that the A’s will guarantee their residency in our proposed ballpark (different than signing a 30 – year lease) – and if that’s the case, I’m certain Lou Wolfe and the A’s wont mind very stiff penalties for moving the A’s out of Fremont – - Fremont Staff – take note.

    A’s Fan says -
    It (P.D. and Emergency services) will actually be handled somewhat better at this site than the original one, since it will be much closer to a BART station.”

    Bbox responds -
    Gosh – in light of recent BART events, I’m not certain that proximity to a BART station is a good proxy for residential security. Further, it isn’t the demands for services that the fans place on services within the immediate vicinity of the ballpark that will be the added strain – - we speculate that Lou W will negotiate a little something for “local” support – its the accident across town that involves a fan and local resident that is incremental and which fremont residents will be paying for which (we are told) we can’t afford today.

    No one I’ve spoken with says “They can’t” – - – but, everyone I have spoken with has serious doubts about our ability to manage and produce a positive benefit for the general populace of Fremont. Our management team has demonstrated a great deal of ineptitude on a number of fronts which Lou and the A’s will undoubtedly take great advantage of.

  • A’s fan

    I give up. I’d rather they move to Sacramento, anyway.

  • A’s fan

    Also, it’s “Lew Wolff.”

  • bbox231

    A’s fan -

    thanks for correcting my error.

    I’ll buy you a beer at the opener in Sacto