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		<title>By: Lou Vandelay</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2009/03/26/centerville-development-back-to-the-drawing-board/comment-page-1/#comment-5382</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Vandelay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, I object to the &quot;Palo Alto-ization&quot; thing too, largely because it implies to me that, if you want better for Fremont you must be some kind of pretentious snob who wants Fremont to be exactly like Palo Alto.  When somebody tosses that comment into the mix, it registers to me as a way of marginalizing the expectation that we can do and be better; a way of saying &quot;just shut up and take whatever happens, whatever City management thinks is best for the town&quot;.  It&#039;s about one step away from saying &quot;if you like Palo Alto so much, why don&#039;t you move there?&quot;

I definitely don&#039;t want Fremont to be Palo Alto, but I think we should be able to learn from the decisions that they and other successful cities have made and make them work in our situation.  Sure, we&#039;ll never have a word-famous university, but certainly we can do better than freeways, Safeways and high-delsity dwelling units.  I don&#039;t have a degree in city planning, but with the economy the way it is, the woods must be pretty thick with unemployed grads.  We&#039;re lucky to have one who appears to have more than a passing interest in running for City office.

I know what you mean, B - I&#039;d pay good money to be able to go to a good old fashioned butcher shop again - one that&#039;s not attached to a mega-super store.  All of the &quot;mom and pop&quot; groceries have gone away.  I guess the farmer&#039;s market is the only place to get produce that isn&#039;t corporate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I object to the &#8220;Palo Alto-ization&#8221; thing too, largely because it implies to me that, if you want better for Fremont you must be some kind of pretentious snob who wants Fremont to be exactly like Palo Alto.  When somebody tosses that comment into the mix, it registers to me as a way of marginalizing the expectation that we can do and be better; a way of saying &#8220;just shut up and take whatever happens, whatever City management thinks is best for the town&#8221;.  It&#8217;s about one step away from saying &#8220;if you like Palo Alto so much, why don&#8217;t you move there?&#8221;</p>
<p>I definitely don&#8217;t want Fremont to be Palo Alto, but I think we should be able to learn from the decisions that they and other successful cities have made and make them work in our situation.  Sure, we&#8217;ll never have a word-famous university, but certainly we can do better than freeways, Safeways and high-delsity dwelling units.  I don&#8217;t have a degree in city planning, but with the economy the way it is, the woods must be pretty thick with unemployed grads.  We&#8217;re lucky to have one who appears to have more than a passing interest in running for City office.</p>
<p>I know what you mean, B &#8211; I&#8217;d pay good money to be able to go to a good old fashioned butcher shop again &#8211; one that&#8217;s not attached to a mega-super store.  All of the &#8220;mom and pop&#8221; groceries have gone away.  I guess the farmer&#8217;s market is the only place to get produce that isn&#8217;t corporate.</p>
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		<title>By: bbox231</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbox231</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s see was it Lou or Ashley . . . I got lost - but whoever it was thanks for making the point that we&#039;ve got something of value.  Dropping a steaming hot load of MLB stadium in the middle of our city is an interesting definition of &quot;planning&quot;.

Whoever keeps grinding the &quot;we&#039;re not Palo Alto&quot; theme is spot on is also.  And we dont want to be.  At the same time, somebody please let me know why we can&#039;t attract something a notch better than Safeway ?

Is there any place in Fremont where one can go and acquire produce, meats and other groceries that  are anything other than in direct price competition with Safeway ? (Andy - I&#039;m not asking for one on every street corner -  THAT would be Palo Alto).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see was it Lou or Ashley . . . I got lost &#8211; but whoever it was thanks for making the point that we&#8217;ve got something of value.  Dropping a steaming hot load of MLB stadium in the middle of our city is an interesting definition of &#8220;planning&#8221;.</p>
<p>Whoever keeps grinding the &#8220;we&#8217;re not Palo Alto&#8221; theme is spot on is also.  And we dont want to be.  At the same time, somebody please let me know why we can&#8217;t attract something a notch better than Safeway ?</p>
<p>Is there any place in Fremont where one can go and acquire produce, meats and other groceries that  are anything other than in direct price competition with Safeway ? (Andy &#8211; I&#8217;m not asking for one on every street corner &#8211;  THAT would be Palo Alto).</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Vandelay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Vandelay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Realistically, I know that not every parcel of land in Fremont is prime real estate.  However, I would like to think that we have people in the City (in elected and hired positions) who treat each parcel of land as if it does have added value because it is here.  If we get in the habit of selling ourselves short, nobody else will value what we have either.  Maybe we&#039;re not &quot;all that&quot;, but we&#039;re not nothing either, and if we hope to become something better, we need to be selective about how we grow.  That requires a plan, not the haphazard development that we&#039;re seeing now.

Developers are going to try to get the best deal they can.  Residents should be able to count on City staff to be just as aggressive on our behalf.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realistically, I know that not every parcel of land in Fremont is prime real estate.  However, I would like to think that we have people in the City (in elected and hired positions) who treat each parcel of land as if it does have added value because it is here.  If we get in the habit of selling ourselves short, nobody else will value what we have either.  Maybe we&#8217;re not &#8220;all that&#8221;, but we&#8217;re not nothing either, and if we hope to become something better, we need to be selective about how we grow.  That requires a plan, not the haphazard development that we&#8217;re seeing now.</p>
<p>Developers are going to try to get the best deal they can.  Residents should be able to count on City staff to be just as aggressive on our behalf.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes we lose perspective. If you want to see vacant and deteriorating lots check out this Time story. You can click on the picture to enlarge the view.http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1887864,00.html

Some homes in Detroit can be picked up for under $10,000. No, I didn&#039;t forget a zero. But, I like our climate just fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes we lose perspective. If you want to see vacant and deteriorating lots check out this Time story. You can click on the picture to enlarge the view.<a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1887864,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1887864,00.html</a></p>
<p>Some homes in Detroit can be picked up for under $10,000. No, I didn&#8217;t forget a zero. But, I like our climate just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have trouble filling up the &quot;To Lease&quot; signs in centerville, just next to that vacant lot. Forget about that vacant lot. Its better left empty. PLease lets not pretend every parcel of land in fremont is prime real estate :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have trouble filling up the &#8220;To Lease&#8221; signs in centerville, just next to that vacant lot. Forget about that vacant lot. Its better left empty. PLease lets not pretend every parcel of land in fremont is prime real estate <img src='http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ashley Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Gus, for the info.  I always enjoy your comments.

It seems to me that, while I&#039;m sure your comments are true, they illustrate to me the disconnect between common sense and how things are done in the City.  I realize that &quot;The new guy wants a clean slate and wants to be ready to start as soon as he has paid for the site.&quot; but, call me a cockeyed optimist, I thought it was the City&#039;s job to look out for the interests of existing residents and businesses first.  The &quot;new guy&quot; doesn&#039;t have any skin in the game if he hasn&#039;t even paid for the site yet.

It sounds to me as if the City is absorbing demolition costs in order to sweeten the deal for new businesses coming to town.  Is this correct and, if so, why?  Seems to me that, if a business really had a fire in the belly to be here, they would do the demo after the deal was closed.  If I buy an old broken-down house and want to raze it and build new on the lot, I don&#039;t expect the seller to do the job for me.

Don&#039;t have the time to go into this further just now but I do enjoy your posts and, again, thanks for them.  Don&#039;t even get me started on Whole Foods.  I can&#039;t help wondering, though, how come our accommodating City staff wasn&#039;t working diligently to get Tesla in the bag.  Because they were too upscale or because the City felt that their business plan wouldn&#039;t pan out?  If we learned nothing else from the stadium fiasco, I thought it showed us that the City isn&#039;t exactly the best judge of which businesses will benefit the City.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Gus, for the info.  I always enjoy your comments.</p>
<p>It seems to me that, while I&#8217;m sure your comments are true, they illustrate to me the disconnect between common sense and how things are done in the City.  I realize that &#8220;The new guy wants a clean slate and wants to be ready to start as soon as he has paid for the site.&#8221; but, call me a cockeyed optimist, I thought it was the City&#8217;s job to look out for the interests of existing residents and businesses first.  The &#8220;new guy&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have any skin in the game if he hasn&#8217;t even paid for the site yet.</p>
<p>It sounds to me as if the City is absorbing demolition costs in order to sweeten the deal for new businesses coming to town.  Is this correct and, if so, why?  Seems to me that, if a business really had a fire in the belly to be here, they would do the demo after the deal was closed.  If I buy an old broken-down house and want to raze it and build new on the lot, I don&#8217;t expect the seller to do the job for me.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t have the time to go into this further just now but I do enjoy your posts and, again, thanks for them.  Don&#8217;t even get me started on Whole Foods.  I can&#8217;t help wondering, though, how come our accommodating City staff wasn&#8217;t working diligently to get Tesla in the bag.  Because they were too upscale or because the City felt that their business plan wouldn&#8217;t pan out?  If we learned nothing else from the stadium fiasco, I thought it showed us that the City isn&#8217;t exactly the best judge of which businesses will benefit the City.</p>
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		<title>By: AMacRae</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMacRae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anon: I mean the Centerville unified site - that the City cleared for redevelopment?

But that was my point. Centerville has been around for 150 years and will be around for another 150 years. Whatever is built on that site is going be there until at least the middle of this century. It&#039;s a real shame the economy tanked to the point that very attractive plans have to be shelved. But the economy will swing back up again and there will a demand for such a development. In the meantime, there&#039;s no need to rush to fill the space with a slap-dash building frenzy. I mean, if you want a copy of Union Landing, that&#039;s the way to go about it. Just open the doors and let businesses build whatever and wherever they like.

Personally, I would much rather see the city planning for the long haul. How long does it take to see a quality development go in there? It takes as long as it takes.

Unless, of course, you know an easier way to convince a developer to build a quality site?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon: I mean the Centerville unified site &#8211; that the City cleared for redevelopment?</p>
<p>But that was my point. Centerville has been around for 150 years and will be around for another 150 years. Whatever is built on that site is going be there until at least the middle of this century. It&#8217;s a real shame the economy tanked to the point that very attractive plans have to be shelved. But the economy will swing back up again and there will a demand for such a development. In the meantime, there&#8217;s no need to rush to fill the space with a slap-dash building frenzy. I mean, if you want a copy of Union Landing, that&#8217;s the way to go about it. Just open the doors and let businesses build whatever and wherever they like.</p>
<p>Personally, I would much rather see the city planning for the long haul. How long does it take to see a quality development go in there? It takes as long as it takes.</p>
<p>Unless, of course, you know an easier way to convince a developer to build a quality site?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AM: I mean the Centerville unified site - that the City cleared for redevelopment?

However AM, your point on the age of Centerville is exactly the point; Centerville is a very important historic area for Fremont, the Bay Area, as well as for California history.  If I remember correctly, it has the second oldest school district in California!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AM: I mean the Centerville unified site &#8211; that the City cleared for redevelopment?</p>
<p>However AM, your point on the age of Centerville is exactly the point; Centerville is a very important historic area for Fremont, the Bay Area, as well as for California history.  If I remember correctly, it has the second oldest school district in California!</p>
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		<title>By: AMacRae</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMacRae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Centerville was founded about 150 years ago...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Centerville was founded about 150 years ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record; does anyone remember how long the Centerville site has been waiting?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record; does anyone remember how long the Centerville site has been waiting?</p>
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