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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In fact, &#039;box.  I challenge you to name one position I&#039;ve taken that could be considered &quot;obtuse&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, &#8216;box.  I challenge you to name one position I&#8217;ve taken that could be considered &#8220;obtuse&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Marty = Lois&quot;

You just amplified my point, &#039;box.

Another display of absolute bubble-borne liberal dumfoundary in this thread is the following statement from Lifer...

&quot;If Matt took any comments off the site, they must have been doozies, because he hasn’t given any indication of having any past problems with obscenity and wingnuttery.&quot;

...in the context of Lifer being a self-described wingnut.

My point is that those you disagree with are not all that much alike, and you are more like the people you disagree with than you think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Marty = Lois&#8221;</p>
<p>You just amplified my point, &#8216;box.</p>
<p>Another display of absolute bubble-borne liberal dumfoundary in this thread is the following statement from Lifer&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;If Matt took any comments off the site, they must have been doozies, because he hasn’t given any indication of having any past problems with obscenity and wingnuttery.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;in the context of Lifer being a self-described wingnut.</p>
<p>My point is that those you disagree with are not all that much alike, and you are more like the people you disagree with than you think.</p>
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		<title>By: bbox231</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbox231</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marty = Lois = dissention that is so obtuse as to only be of benefit to the venue itself.

It serves only to garner responses from other &quot;legitimate&quot; participants.

BLOG marketing 101.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty = Lois = dissention that is so obtuse as to only be of benefit to the venue itself.</p>
<p>It serves only to garner responses from other &#8220;legitimate&#8221; participants.</p>
<p>BLOG marketing 101.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perry Masonary

Recently, I read one state did contact Mexico about reimbursing them for the care given to Mexico&#039;s citizens, here illegally. I&#039;d like to know the end result. In the first place, all the illegals don&#039;t belong here.  If their government were made to pay for their medical and other expenses, maybe the government wouldn&#039;t be encouraging them to come here, perhaps would fix their economy so they wouldn&#039;t be wanting to come here.  We can&#039;t save the world, no matter how much we&#039;d like to save others.  The best we can do is, help them, help themselves in their countries.

You are right, it isn&#039;t so simple.

On another note, I think the American people should endorse a Constitutional Amendment for Freedom of Medicine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry Masonary</p>
<p>Recently, I read one state did contact Mexico about reimbursing them for the care given to Mexico&#8217;s citizens, here illegally. I&#8217;d like to know the end result. In the first place, all the illegals don&#8217;t belong here.  If their government were made to pay for their medical and other expenses, maybe the government wouldn&#8217;t be encouraging them to come here, perhaps would fix their economy so they wouldn&#8217;t be wanting to come here.  We can&#8217;t save the world, no matter how much we&#8217;d like to save others.  The best we can do is, help them, help themselves in their countries.</p>
<p>You are right, it isn&#8217;t so simple.</p>
<p>On another note, I think the American people should endorse a Constitutional Amendment for Freedom of Medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Lois is a very interesting person -even further proof that you cant peg someone based on their politics. Who would have guess far-right thinker would be so passionate about alternative healing?  I disagree with Lois&#039; positions regarding what I see as junk-pharmacology and pseudo-treatments but it&#039;s refreshing to see people who don&#039;t fit the mold.

Contrast this to certain posters who have their politics dictate every move they make, from their worldview to who they love and hate.  It&#039;s almost pathetic in a way to see one&#039;s politics have such control over one&#039;s Life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Lois is a very interesting person -even further proof that you cant peg someone based on their politics. Who would have guess far-right thinker would be so passionate about alternative healing?  I disagree with Lois&#8217; positions regarding what I see as junk-pharmacology and pseudo-treatments but it&#8217;s refreshing to see people who don&#8217;t fit the mold.</p>
<p>Contrast this to certain posters who have their politics dictate every move they make, from their worldview to who they love and hate.  It&#8217;s almost pathetic in a way to see one&#8217;s politics have such control over one&#8217;s Life.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 06:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paranoia?  Have you looked around lately?  We&#039;re losing our freedoms daily.  We&#039;re heading for a depression that will make the Great Depression look like a cake walk.

The national health plan will just sink us down, down, even more than we already are.

If the sheeple really believe in the AMA type of medicine, perhaps, a little competition between  doctors..educate more of them?

What constitutes a conscience in the medical field?  A person that really cares about healing, cares about the patient, not just the money...quite simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paranoia?  Have you looked around lately?  We&#8217;re losing our freedoms daily.  We&#8217;re heading for a depression that will make the Great Depression look like a cake walk.</p>
<p>The national health plan will just sink us down, down, even more than we already are.</p>
<p>If the sheeple really believe in the AMA type of medicine, perhaps, a little competition between  doctors..educate more of them?</p>
<p>What constitutes a conscience in the medical field?  A person that really cares about healing, cares about the patient, not just the money&#8230;quite simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Perrry Masonary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perrry Masonary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;As far as illegals, I say have a contract with the country from which they come, bill the country for the medical bills.&quot;

OK, so how do we get another country to agree to sign such a contract?  Who would negotiate these contracts, the State Department?  How enforceable would such contracts be?  In what court would contract disputes be heard, and how would any judgments be enforced? Would the contract be reciprocal - would the U.S. government be responsible for the costs related to the treatment of any of our citizens who became ill or injured in the other country?  If so, what would prevent our citizens from going to other countries to get procedures, such as transplant surgeries, that may not be available to them in the U.S. and then sticking the government with the cost of the procedure?

Would the treated individuals be held in the treating country until payment was received and, if so, how would their status differ from that of a hostage?  If the person who was treated had not committed any crime, what legal basis would we have to hold them in the United States?  Where would they be held?  In a correctional facility?  An internment camp?  Would they have a right to counsel?  Would the U.S. government also bill the foreign country for the costs related to detaining a foreign national here?  Would the U.S. government only accept payment from the country of origin, or would we accept third-party payments from family members, churches, corporations or other entities?

It&#039;s not so simple, Lois.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As far as illegals, I say have a contract with the country from which they come, bill the country for the medical bills.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, so how do we get another country to agree to sign such a contract?  Who would negotiate these contracts, the State Department?  How enforceable would such contracts be?  In what court would contract disputes be heard, and how would any judgments be enforced? Would the contract be reciprocal &#8211; would the U.S. government be responsible for the costs related to the treatment of any of our citizens who became ill or injured in the other country?  If so, what would prevent our citizens from going to other countries to get procedures, such as transplant surgeries, that may not be available to them in the U.S. and then sticking the government with the cost of the procedure?</p>
<p>Would the treated individuals be held in the treating country until payment was received and, if so, how would their status differ from that of a hostage?  If the person who was treated had not committed any crime, what legal basis would we have to hold them in the United States?  Where would they be held?  In a correctional facility?  An internment camp?  Would they have a right to counsel?  Would the U.S. government also bill the foreign country for the costs related to detaining a foreign national here?  Would the U.S. government only accept payment from the country of origin, or would we accept third-party payments from family members, churches, corporations or other entities?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not so simple, Lois.</p>
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		<title>By: Irvington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irvington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I for one would encourage Lois to continue to post here, to post often, at length and in detail.  It is seldom these days that one encounters a museum-quality example of just how far we have come in this country in, say, the last 70 years; how much we have changed and learned, how our attitudes have broadened.  We may still have a long way to go, but here, ladies and gentlemen, is living proof that we have made progress. Living in a decidedly blue state, in the predominantly liberal Bay Area, I have not often encountered this particular blend of old-time paranoia and new age medicine.

Regarding your post #10, Lois, you mentioned that we need people with a conscience in the medical field, which leads me to wonder if you feel that you possess the requisite insight to see into the souls of potential doctors and nurses, to gauge the acceptability of their conscience?  By what standards would a candidate&#039;s conscience be deemed to be acceptable?  Given your fondness for Mr. McCarthy, I can&#039;t wait to find out what you think constitutes a person of conscience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I for one would encourage Lois to continue to post here, to post often, at length and in detail.  It is seldom these days that one encounters a museum-quality example of just how far we have come in this country in, say, the last 70 years; how much we have changed and learned, how our attitudes have broadened.  We may still have a long way to go, but here, ladies and gentlemen, is living proof that we have made progress. Living in a decidedly blue state, in the predominantly liberal Bay Area, I have not often encountered this particular blend of old-time paranoia and new age medicine.</p>
<p>Regarding your post #10, Lois, you mentioned that we need people with a conscience in the medical field, which leads me to wonder if you feel that you possess the requisite insight to see into the souls of potential doctors and nurses, to gauge the acceptability of their conscience?  By what standards would a candidate&#8217;s conscience be deemed to be acceptable?  Given your fondness for Mr. McCarthy, I can&#8217;t wait to find out what you think constitutes a person of conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still vote for NO national health care program, ran by the government.

From some of the answers I see, this country hasn&#039;t a chance....Americans are naive, too lazy to fight for this wonderful country.

McCarthy was railroaded because he told the truth.  A few years ago, a well known movie producer Elia Kazan admitted to being a problem, he was a communist, spilled the beans on others. Look at Hollywood, so influential in the media, indoctrinating. Joseph McCarthy was right.

http://www.filmnight.org/eliakazan.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still vote for NO national health care program, ran by the government.</p>
<p>From some of the answers I see, this country hasn&#8217;t a chance&#8230;.Americans are naive, too lazy to fight for this wonderful country.</p>
<p>McCarthy was railroaded because he told the truth.  A few years ago, a well known movie producer Elia Kazan admitted to being a problem, he was a communist, spilled the beans on others. Look at Hollywood, so influential in the media, indoctrinating. Joseph McCarthy was right.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.filmnight.org/eliakazan.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.filmnight.org/eliakazan.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your question - How do you strike a balance (efficiently and quickly) between the interests of the patient and the economic interest of whomever is paying for medical services ?


Big, difficult question -   since there is so much dependency on government and so much greed.

Get rid of Medicare, get rid of all the free health programs

Those 65 years and older,  a government mandate for a low cost insurance policy to be offered.

For those that are younger, government mandate for a low cost insurance policy, a sliding scale according to wages

A mandate on what doctors can charge.  Exorbitant fees have to stop.

New tort law, a mandate on what lawyers can charge.  The law belongs to the people, and should have easy access to it without exorbitant fees.

Train doctors, pay them when they HEAL  Emphasize preventive medicine

Encourage people to be more health conscious,  which could possibly be reflected in their insurance premiums

Those that are illegals,  let it be known no more free benefits.  They are here illegally, no more free benefits.  Tired of them taking our jobs, ringing up our debt

I know it’s a pipe dream…but just thinking]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your question &#8211; How do you strike a balance (efficiently and quickly) between the interests of the patient and the economic interest of whomever is paying for medical services ?</p>
<p>Big, difficult question &#8211;   since there is so much dependency on government and so much greed.</p>
<p>Get rid of Medicare, get rid of all the free health programs</p>
<p>Those 65 years and older,  a government mandate for a low cost insurance policy to be offered.</p>
<p>For those that are younger, government mandate for a low cost insurance policy, a sliding scale according to wages</p>
<p>A mandate on what doctors can charge.  Exorbitant fees have to stop.</p>
<p>New tort law, a mandate on what lawyers can charge.  The law belongs to the people, and should have easy access to it without exorbitant fees.</p>
<p>Train doctors, pay them when they HEAL  Emphasize preventive medicine</p>
<p>Encourage people to be more health conscious,  which could possibly be reflected in their insurance premiums</p>
<p>Those that are illegals,  let it be known no more free benefits.  They are here illegally, no more free benefits.  Tired of them taking our jobs, ringing up our debt</p>
<p>I know it’s a pipe dream…but just thinking</p>
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