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Tit for tat

By Matt Artz
Tuesday, September 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pm in Uncategorized.

Bob Wieckowski sent out another press release touting his some of his more prominent supporters for next year’s State Assembly race. Last time it was Mayor Wasserman and former Mayor Gus Morrison. This time it was Fremont councilmembers Anu Natarajan and Bill Harrison.

Not to be outdone, Garrett Yee sent out an email today with quotes from some of his supporters, like Newark Councilman Al Huezo and former Ohlone College Trustee Doug Treadway.

No word yet on who Vinnie Bacon’s dog will be barking for.

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  • Marty

    If only Vinnie could harness for the greater good the energy that allows him to teleport from a redwood grove to an east bay park in a fraction of a second.

  • http://www.ishanforcouncil.com Ishan Shah

    One can’t help but think that until Councilman Wieckowski diversifies his base from outside fremont, he won’t advance.

  • Vinnie Bacon

    I asked Asbury about this but I couldn’t understand his reply. He usually only endorses those people who are willing to get on the floor and play with him. He can’t be bought with meaty treats. … Well, maybe.

    Marty, FYI, the two scenes in the middle of the ad were both filmed from nearly the same spot at Coyote Hills with the camera on opposite sides of me.

  • Patrice Birkedahl

    Just for the record, Dr. Doug Treadway is the former President of Ohlone College, not a Trustee.

  • Swamp Squid

    Vinnie Bacon Bacon Bacon…Bring the A’s to Fremont and help us replace some of the 4,700 job we are about to lose when NUMMI shuts down next year. The fringe is out there so beware.

  • Vinnie Bacon

    Swamp Squid,

    We’ve been through this many times already on this blog.

    http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2009/08/27/nummi-1984-2009/

  • Fremont Lifer

    Gees, Vin, no good deed goes unpunished, right? You put yourself out there as an honest candidate and all you get for your trouble are thinly-veiled threats to “beware”. I suspect that’s what keeps other qualified candidates out of the political pool hereabouts, thereby leaving us to the tender mercies of the dopes we’ve suffered with for a good long time now.

    If the NUMMI closure threw us out of the boat, the stadium would have been the anchor around our necks. Those who continue to maintain otherwise are the local equivalent of the teabaggers, birthers, tenthers, and others who cannot deal with reality.

    Stay real and remember, the “fringe” have a lousy voting record.

  • Vinnie Bacon

    Thanks Lifer. Yes, the bottom line is that sports stadiums have been shown NOT to be the economic generators that they are often sold as. That’s true whether NUMMI is here or not. Trying to somehow blame the economic problems created by NUMMI’s loss on those who opposed the A’s is ridiculous.

  • bbox231

    The not-too-subtle threats of intimidation which were tossed at Vinnie in this BLOG alone (gotta wonder about other message venues) were pretty obvious and it appears that they continue to this day.

    These are testimony to the credibility he has seemingly established for himself.

    I can think of many other candidates for City Council that didn’t encounter this same kind of nonsense – and for good reason – they were not a credible threat to the status quo.

  • Jon Simon

    Bbox, where are those “threats of intimidation”?

  • Marty

    I wonder if Vinnie is going to be ‘thanking’ posters for referring to A’s supporters as “the local equivalent of the teabaggers, birthers, tenthers, and others who cannot deal with reality” when his campaign is activated?

  • bbox231

    Jon Simon -

    the nature of this BLOG makes it difficult to go back and find the 3 or 4 instances I have felt that Vinnie has been threatened . .. of course, some will offer that these threats were strictly in a political sense – - – my personal assessment was that they were intended as personal threats . . . . . if you’ve been watching closely – you would have seen these same instances.

    I stand by my observations . . . .

    There was a specific period during which a suggestion emerged to boycott businesses which supported the stadium and I specifically recall Vinnie being singled out during this debate . . . . . the comments were quite intimidating.

  • Fremont Lifer

    For the record, as if any sane person would need to be reminded, I speak for myself and neither Mr. Bacon nor anyone else this side of the grave is responsible for what I choose to say besides me, myself, alone. I believe we still have freedom of speech in this country.

    The incident B is referring to may have been during the run-up to the last election, in which Mr. Bacon was a candidate, when when a poster created a website that accused Mr. Bacon of being a racist based upon cherry-picked quotes from comments that had been made by other posters, not by Mr. Bacon.

    Of course, Mr. Bacon would be the best source of instances when he has been threatened, but it will be up to him whether or not he wants to share that with us. I suspect he’ll choose to be the bigger man and move on, although he certainly has nothing to be ashamed about, being an innocent victim of a fringe element.

  • Californiaguy

    Amen

  • Perry Masonary

    Since I’ve encountered this particular pathology before, I thought I would share with you the explanation that was offered to me by counselors and psychologists. There are people who, for various reasons, are possessed of such a deep well of self-hatred that they consistently behave in obnoxious and self-defeating ways. The negative reactions that they receive as a result of this behavior reinforces their own self-image of being unworthy of any positive attention. Sad, really.

    Since no reaction at all is really the only productive course of action in these situations, I’ll sign on for the “ignore list” plan that Bbox231 mentioned.

    I do have one question for our blog-master, however. It occurs to me that there is a strong phonic similarity between “M. Artz” and “M-arty”. Alphabetically, Y and Z are sequential. Could you confirm or deny that you are the same person? It could go a long way to explain why you have not taken a stronger line in policing this site.

  • Vinnie Bacon

    Bbox, Lifer, you basically have it right except that it happened after the election. Some anonymous bloggers mentioned boycotting Fremont businesses that were pro-ballpark. Despite my emphatically stating that neither I nor FCN have advocated such a boycott, Marty created a blog using my name whose title asked if I was a racist. While the blog has been taken down, here’s the blog post from the Tri-City Beat:

    http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2009/02/20/as-supporters-to-step-up-to-the-plate/

    (I guess by Marty’s logic, anyone that has suggested a boycott which would impact businesses that hire minorities could be called a racist. Did Marty feel the same way about Cesar Chavez for his advocating a boycott of grapes?)

    I also noticed that only a couple of days ago Marty posted “Not true, Baxter. Labeling people as racist or radicals for disagreeing with them tracks the definition of marginalizing pretty damn close.” Seems a little hypocritical to me.

    Marty has repeatedly tried to smear me on this blog. Comment number 11 above is a perfect example. He takes an inflammatory quote from someone else and tries to associate it with me. Since I’m a regular here, Marty could’ve just asked me if I agree with this statement. But it would look pretty silly if Marty repeatedly asks leading questions and I repeatedly deny his insinuations.

    I don’t really feel threatened by this, although it was pretty shocking to find that someone had created a blog whose sole purpose was to smear me with false allegations. Smart Squid’s comment “The fringe is out there so beware.” is completely uncalled for. Maybe he could explain what I’m supposed to beware of.

    Lifer, perhaps it would be better if I just let this drop. However, I think John Kerry showed that it’s not a good idea to let smear campaigns go unanswered.

  • bbox231

    Perry . . . I’ve said it before – preoccupation with identity in the online world is a waste of time.

    Marty expresses some novel thoughts worth considering, but undermines these few worthy points with a seemingly more consistant desire to offend personal sensibilities.

    The TCB BLOG has had its “nay sayer” personality almost since the day I first started posting here. Various aliases have come and gone but, always with a view to invite dissention of a personal nature. I see a very consistant pattern which exists to feed a fragile or broken ego OR to generate traffic for this site (or both).

    Those who focus on thoughts and ideas should gain credibility in the eyes of their peers. THose who focus on personality traits (either in the form of expressed epithets OR a desire to know WHO someone is) discredit themselves.

    Good job, Vinnie.

  • Matt Artz

    Good morning Perry,
    I am not Marty. I don’t know who he/she is. I don’t know who you are. I’ve thought about “policing the blog” more, especially since I know of two very good commenters who have told me they’ll never comment again because of the negativity on the blog. But for me to determine what goes over the line and what’s fair game is a double edged sword. It would be difficult to establish and adhere to a set standard. Inevitably, I’d be accused of playing favorites and setting double standards. One blogger/reporter in my company doesn’t allow comments that veer off the main topic in his post. But, I don’t want to micromanage this forum. The only time I reacted strongly against a commenter was when I thought that person was using the blog to manipulate voters. Also, please remember that I get paid the same whether I do this blog or not. It’s not always my top priority, and sometimes I don’t see the potentially offensive comment until a day or two later.

  • Marty

    I agree, I am not Matt Artz.

    It’s ironic that this thread is named “tit for tat” because almost every person who has posted to it feels they can toss out charged and inciteful posts then figuratively pee their pants when someone does the same (post # 7 is a perfect example). But I do understand that challenging the sensibilities of group think is a distraction, so my solution (as a nod to Mr Artz and the negativity, shared by all IMO) is that I will only post once to each thread, unless someone abuses my brevity.

  • Perry Masonary

    Thanks for the clarification, Matt. The incident about the candidate’s sister posting to the site had slipped my mind, but it does show that you can step in when you choose to do so.

    There do not appear to be any posted standards regarding site comments. Such standards would not necessarily necessitate “micromanaging”, but could facilitate a much more productive discussion.

    A quick survey of the net gave me a couple of possibilities:

    “Welcome – any racist, sexist, homophobic, or personal attacks may be deleted. Debate is good. Keep it clean.”

    Simple, to the point. Also:

    “We are happy to provide a forum for reader interaction, discussion, feedback and reaction to our stories. However, we reserve the right to delete inappropriate comments or ban users who can’t play nice.

    • Keep your comments civil. Don’t insult one another or the subjects of our articles. If you think a comment violates our guidelines click the “report abuse” button to notify the moderator. Responding to the comment will only encourage bad behavior.

    • Don’t use profanities, vulgarities or hate speech. This is a local general interest site. Sometimes there are children present. Don’t say anything in a way you wouldn’t want your own child to hear.

    • Do not attack other users; focus your comments on issues, not individuals.

    • Don’t repeat the same comment over and over. We heard you the first time.

    • Do not use the commenting system for advertising. That’s spam and it isn’t allowed.

    • Don’t use all capital letters. That’s akin to yelling and not appreciated by the audience.”

    Someone needs to monitor the site, or things will continue to spin into increasingly questionable territory. You’re the only one with the access to do that. You can’t have a dog without walking it and picking up it’s poop.

    I can’t resist noting that, if you think determining what is over the line on this blog is difficult, wait until you have children – that’s all about establishing/adhering to standards and not playing favorites.

    Finally, Matt, starting this blog was your decision, and how or if you are compensated for it is not within the control of the commenters.

    And to the good Bbox – I’m certainly not “preoccupied” by anyone’s identity. I raised the question because I was seeking a reason why this site, while it has great potential, is not properly monitored. It was a simple yes or no question, and I realize that there is no definitive way of knowing who any of us are. Considering the tenor of the comments lately, that is a blessing.