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	<title>Comments on: Face lift for Bay Street</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew Cavette - Former Intern</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2009/11/19/face-lift-for-bay-street/comment-page-1/#comment-8707</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Cavette - Former Intern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quick (no big deal) correction to bbox231...

It is not a parking garage, but a parking lot.  No structure, just asphalt.  That being said, it is a permeable, &quot;green&quot; parking lot, designed and built to have less of an impact on the ground underneath. 

Check out page 11 of this linked document. Bay Street Demonstration Parking Lot:

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:DfzxQys7obUJ:www.coastal.ca.gov/nps/lid/Milar-PorousAsphaltPavements.pdf+permeable+parking+lot+Fremont,+CA&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us


To see more of the Bay Street plan follow this link:

http://www.fremont.gov/DocumentView.aspx?DID=378]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick (no big deal) correction to bbox231&#8230;</p>
<p>It is not a parking garage, but a parking lot.  No structure, just asphalt.  That being said, it is a permeable, &#8220;green&#8221; parking lot, designed and built to have less of an impact on the ground underneath. </p>
<p>Check out page 11 of this linked document. Bay Street Demonstration Parking Lot:</p>
<p><a href="http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:DfzxQys7obUJ:www.coastal.ca.gov/nps/lid/Milar-PorousAsphaltPavements.pdf+permeable+parking+lot+Fremont,+CA&#038;cd=1&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=us" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:DfzxQys7obUJ:www.coastal.ca.gov/nps/lid/Milar-PorousAsphaltPavements.pdf+permeable+parking+lot+Fremont,+CA&#038;cd=1&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=us</a></p>
<p>To see more of the Bay Street plan follow this link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fremont.gov/DocumentView.aspx?DID=378" rel="nofollow">http://www.fremont.gov/DocumentView.aspx?DID=378</a></p>
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		<title>By: bbox231</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2009/11/19/face-lift-for-bay-street/comment-page-1/#comment-8700</link>
		<dc:creator>bbox231</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[maybe I am alone in my perception of the &quot;coverage&quot; here but with all due respect - - The way this is described feels like scatterbrained wishful thinking masquerading as urban planning. 

Concern #1 -
To maximimize results, one needs to have a concept, a goal or a target - - - - So, what&#039;s the goal here ?
&quot;Intense&quot; development(?)  Matt&#039;s description -  &quot;...more happening streets....&quot;    

Now them thar must be sum real hi-tek kinda discushin items !  Sounds good to me.

I&#039;m sorry  but &quot;intense&quot; development isn&#039;t exactly a steely-eyed description of what we expect in return for our invested buck and time . . .  Nor does it enssure  that any involved stakeholders (queue crickets chirping) share a common vision.


Concern #2 -  we are reportedly &quot;hoping&quot; for a result (whatever that result is).  Whatever happened to developing a plan, and doing so with the  involvment of community members and then using  your civic contributions to the vision as an incentive to work together ???  You&#039;re not &quot;hoping&quot; for anything - -you&#039;re planning and executing and delivering a tangible result.

All of the above wouldn&#039;t be nearly as frustrating if we weren&#039;t whining about not having resources to fix streets and prune trees and respond to residential break-ins - - - - Dont get me wrong -  I&#039;d LOVE to see us develope and execute a plan  of community improvements  - but, the way this is described sure doesnt fill me with confidence that we&#039;ve defined a clear vision or that we  stand a fair chance of realizing that vision.  

What IS clear, is that we&#039;ll spend the dough to do whatever we&#039;re gonna do.   

(HOPE ??!!)

Maybe this is just scantilly written coverage - - - maybe it&#039;s well covered but poorly planned - - - my apologies to whichever faction I&#039;ve unfairly criticized.  





BTW Matt -  This being a proverbial second shoe to the previous &quot;hope&quot; -  You know -  that parking garage you described that was put up a couple of years ago - - -

A really good adendum to your report would be to describe how effectively (or not) that the previous &quot;hope&quot; delivered.  (This might be one of those &quot;million dollar questions&quot; we keep talking about)   

But - once again, in the absence of a clear vision - - - - - ahhhhh, never mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe I am alone in my perception of the &#8220;coverage&#8221; here but with all due respect &#8211; - The way this is described feels like scatterbrained wishful thinking masquerading as urban planning. </p>
<p>Concern #1 -<br />
To maximimize results, one needs to have a concept, a goal or a target &#8211; - &#8211; - So, what&#8217;s the goal here ?<br />
&#8220;Intense&#8221; development(?)  Matt&#8217;s description &#8211;  &#8220;&#8230;more happening streets&#8230;.&#8221;    </p>
<p>Now them thar must be sum real hi-tek kinda discushin items !  Sounds good to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry  but &#8220;intense&#8221; development isn&#8217;t exactly a steely-eyed description of what we expect in return for our invested buck and time . . .  Nor does it enssure  that any involved stakeholders (queue crickets chirping) share a common vision.</p>
<p>Concern #2 &#8211;  we are reportedly &#8220;hoping&#8221; for a result (whatever that result is).  Whatever happened to developing a plan, and doing so with the  involvment of community members and then using  your civic contributions to the vision as an incentive to work together ???  You&#8217;re not &#8220;hoping&#8221; for anything &#8211; -you&#8217;re planning and executing and delivering a tangible result.</p>
<p>All of the above wouldn&#8217;t be nearly as frustrating if we weren&#8217;t whining about not having resources to fix streets and prune trees and respond to residential break-ins &#8211; - &#8211; - Dont get me wrong &#8211;  I&#8217;d LOVE to see us develope and execute a plan  of community improvements  &#8211; but, the way this is described sure doesnt fill me with confidence that we&#8217;ve defined a clear vision or that we  stand a fair chance of realizing that vision.  </p>
<p>What IS clear, is that we&#8217;ll spend the dough to do whatever we&#8217;re gonna do.   </p>
<p>(HOPE ??!!)</p>
<p>Maybe this is just scantilly written coverage &#8211; - &#8211; maybe it&#8217;s well covered but poorly planned &#8211; - &#8211; my apologies to whichever faction I&#8217;ve unfairly criticized.  </p>
<p>BTW Matt &#8211;  This being a proverbial second shoe to the previous &#8220;hope&#8221; &#8211;  You know &#8211;  that parking garage you described that was put up a couple of years ago &#8211; - -</p>
<p>A really good adendum to your report would be to describe how effectively (or not) that the previous &#8220;hope&#8221; delivered.  (This might be one of those &#8220;million dollar questions&#8221; we keep talking about)   </p>
<p>But &#8211; once again, in the absence of a clear vision &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; ahhhhh, never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2009/11/19/face-lift-for-bay-street/comment-page-1/#comment-8699</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sidewalk bulb-outs?  I hate those.  They are dangerous for bicyclists because they force them to periodically move into the car lane.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sidewalk bulb-outs?  I hate those.  They are dangerous for bicyclists because they force them to periodically move into the car lane.</p>
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