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		<title>By: Dan Ondrasek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Ondrasek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marty,

Sorry in the delay getting back at you on this morning’s comment about my statistic gathering.  It was good.
This is obviously not for you but for those that are not actively trying to promote churches on this place (if you are indeed Dominic Dutra)

In January 21st-23rd, 2006, David Binder Research conducted a survey. Here are some of the findings:
72% of Fremont voters want to maintain a permanent buffer around the Coyote Hills Regional Park and limit development of the area as a whole.
79% of Fremonters wanted to stop the Patterson Ranch development entirely or limit development in front of the Hills in exchange for development away from the Park.
These results are almost identical to a survey conducted in 2002 in which over 70% of Fremont voters want to limit development of the Ardenwood Ranch site near the Coyote Hills.

One of the Bay&#039;s last pre-European habitats runs through the ranch and park, according to a 1999 study sponsored by the US EPA and the regional water quality board. &quot;The diked wetlands east of Coyote Hills support the largest remaining willow groves in the baylands ecosystem,&quot; said the Baylands Ecosystem Habitat report.  To all of those interested, the churches are planned WEST of Ardenwood.  
As I measure it on Google Earth, it appears to be .15 miles (or 782 feet) from the edge of the Willow Grove.

Dominic/Marty: Anonymity evidently breeds bravery….when you come clean on who you really are, I will continue this debate.
Until then, I look forward to the next steps because I, and many like me, are going to fight this until there is NO development West of Ardenwood.

Have fun - I love reading your stuff and will be sad when the real estate market picks up and you won’t have the time to write as much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty,</p>
<p>Sorry in the delay getting back at you on this morning’s comment about my statistic gathering.  It was good.<br />
This is obviously not for you but for those that are not actively trying to promote churches on this place (if you are indeed Dominic Dutra)</p>
<p>In January 21st-23rd, 2006, David Binder Research conducted a survey. Here are some of the findings:<br />
72% of Fremont voters want to maintain a permanent buffer around the Coyote Hills Regional Park and limit development of the area as a whole.<br />
79% of Fremonters wanted to stop the Patterson Ranch development entirely or limit development in front of the Hills in exchange for development away from the Park.<br />
These results are almost identical to a survey conducted in 2002 in which over 70% of Fremont voters want to limit development of the Ardenwood Ranch site near the Coyote Hills.</p>
<p>One of the Bay&#8217;s last pre-European habitats runs through the ranch and park, according to a 1999 study sponsored by the US EPA and the regional water quality board. &#8220;The diked wetlands east of Coyote Hills support the largest remaining willow groves in the baylands ecosystem,&#8221; said the Baylands Ecosystem Habitat report.  To all of those interested, the churches are planned WEST of Ardenwood.<br />
As I measure it on Google Earth, it appears to be .15 miles (or 782 feet) from the edge of the Willow Grove.</p>
<p>Dominic/Marty: Anonymity evidently breeds bravery….when you come clean on who you really are, I will continue this debate.<br />
Until then, I look forward to the next steps because I, and many like me, are going to fight this until there is NO development West of Ardenwood.</p>
<p>Have fun &#8211; I love reading your stuff and will be sad when the real estate market picks up and you won’t have the time to write as much.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like prop 13, but I do like the supermajority.  I believe the legislature can pass a budget with a 50% +1 vote as long as they do it without raising tax rates.  

But I also believe that a modification in prop 13 must be coupled to a major overhaul in public compensation.  I do not trust our state to tax responsibly. In fact, the Dems have all but assured that they are willing and able to take your money and give it to the unions for their own political benefit.  Gray Davis and Willie Brown have explicitly admitted so (if it wasn&#039;t exp-licitly obvious by now).  There must be check on that process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like prop 13, but I do like the supermajority.  I believe the legislature can pass a budget with a 50% +1 vote as long as they do it without raising tax rates.  </p>
<p>But I also believe that a modification in prop 13 must be coupled to a major overhaul in public compensation.  I do not trust our state to tax responsibly. In fact, the Dems have all but assured that they are willing and able to take your money and give it to the unions for their own political benefit.  Gray Davis and Willie Brown have explicitly admitted so (if it wasn&#8217;t exp-licitly obvious by now).  There must be check on that process.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gus,

Thanks for your insightful post on Prop 13&#039;s impact on neighborhoods.  It&#039;s absolutely true.  After raising kids in a home, the property taxes lie so much lower than in a new house, empty nesters just stay.  This drives up home values in popular areas even more while unfairly burdening young families.

I support active and intelligent regulation.  By requiring 50% + 1 for every vote, the legislature could tweak laws to get all the results most people want, not sit gridlocked while we live with unintended consequences for years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gus,</p>
<p>Thanks for your insightful post on Prop 13&#8242;s impact on neighborhoods.  It&#8217;s absolutely true.  After raising kids in a home, the property taxes lie so much lower than in a new house, empty nesters just stay.  This drives up home values in popular areas even more while unfairly burdening young families.</p>
<p>I support active and intelligent regulation.  By requiring 50% + 1 for every vote, the legislature could tweak laws to get all the results most people want, not sit gridlocked while we live with unintended consequences for years.</p>
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		<title>By: bbox231</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbox231</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 08:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Gabriel would have been pleased. . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Gabriel would have been pleased. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 01:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2010/08/11/bob-brunton-withdraws-from-ohlone-race/#comment-13726&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here you go guys&lt;/a&gt;, Post 34.  I am not as much a developer as I am a fan of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scoobydooweloveyou.com/meddlingkids.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scooby Doo&lt;/a&gt;.  And I clarified a few days ago that I was only playing with Baxter&#039;s &#039;moment of discovery&#039; in post 33 in that same thread.

The loan information I (reluctantly) posted is freely accessible from your computer, but I&#039;m not going to tell you how to find it.

And rest assured, Eyesbright.  I&#039;m not going to go on and on about the hypocrisy or girlish &quot;I&#039;ll hit you but don&#039;t hit me back&quot; approach many of you have.  I&#039;ll just say this: I&#039;m not saying I&#039;m right all the time, but when when I&#039;m wrong prove me wrong instead of whining about how hurt your feeling are from reading the same crap that you, CaliGuy, bbox, Fremont Lifer and Perry Masonary do on many occasions - that is argue fiercely on the internets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2010/08/11/bob-brunton-withdraws-from-ohlone-race/#comment-13726" rel="nofollow">Here you go guys</a>, Post 34.  I am not as much a developer as I am a fan of <a href="http://www.scoobydooweloveyou.com/meddlingkids.html" rel="nofollow">Scooby Doo</a>.  And I clarified a few days ago that I was only playing with Baxter&#8217;s &#8216;moment of discovery&#8217; in post 33 in that same thread.</p>
<p>The loan information I (reluctantly) posted is freely accessible from your computer, but I&#8217;m not going to tell you how to find it.</p>
<p>And rest assured, Eyesbright.  I&#8217;m not going to go on and on about the hypocrisy or girlish &#8220;I&#8217;ll hit you but don&#8217;t hit me back&#8221; approach many of you have.  I&#8217;ll just say this: I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;m right all the time, but when when I&#8217;m wrong prove me wrong instead of whining about how hurt your feeling are from reading the same crap that you, CaliGuy, bbox, Fremont Lifer and Perry Masonary do on many occasions &#8211; that is argue fiercely on the internets.</p>
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		<title>By: Californiaguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Californiaguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 21:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To check who is getting campaign contributions and from who.
You might have to do a little detective work to find out but it is a worthwhile exercise.

http://www.fppc.ca.gov/index.php?id=497

Enjoy the Holidays]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To check who is getting campaign contributions and from who.<br />
You might have to do a little detective work to find out but it is a worthwhile exercise.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fppc.ca.gov/index.php?id=497" rel="nofollow">http://www.fppc.ca.gov/index.php?id=497</a></p>
<p>Enjoy the Holidays</p>
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		<title>By: Californiaguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Californiaguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a Previous post I surmised that Marty may be Dominic Dutra.
Marty admits to living in Niles McMansion. He has shared data that the average person would have a hard time attaining.
He is constantly attacking Vinnie and Kathy with innuendo’s. Do you know why…. Vinnie and Kathy 
are NOT taking any campaign money from Developers or Real Estate Interest. 
Now this might disturb the Dutra’s since they have bought and paid for most of the existing Council. 
Check there campaign contributions, who is financing the bulk of incumbents  campaign, DEVELOPERS

That should help explain Marty’s Nasty attacks on people running for public office without the Developers and Real Estate money.
Some time back Matt published the Dutra’s $$$$ influence on local political campaigns. I hope He does it again.
Enjoy the Holidays]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a Previous post I surmised that Marty may be Dominic Dutra.<br />
Marty admits to living in Niles McMansion. He has shared data that the average person would have a hard time attaining.<br />
He is constantly attacking Vinnie and Kathy with innuendo’s. Do you know why…. Vinnie and Kathy<br />
are NOT taking any campaign money from Developers or Real Estate Interest.<br />
Now this might disturb the Dutra’s since they have bought and paid for most of the existing Council.<br />
Check there campaign contributions, who is financing the bulk of incumbents  campaign, DEVELOPERS</p>
<p>That should help explain Marty’s Nasty attacks on people running for public office without the Developers and Real Estate money.<br />
Some time back Matt published the Dutra’s $$$$ influence on local political campaigns. I hope He does it again.<br />
Enjoy the Holidays</p>
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		<title>By: Eyesbright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eyesbright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 18:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a longtime reader of this site, I have noted Marty&#039;s constant (although sometimes thinly veiled) support of development versus the rights of Fremont homeowners and citizens and (heaven help us) preservation of any sort of green area.  His pursuit of the almighty dollar for HIM without regard for what ill effects it may have on everyone else is readily apparent if you&#039;ve read his screeds for very long.  NOTE:  Right here, on this site, not long ago, Marty admitted to being in real estate development.
  
I&#039;d love to be able to find that specific message of his to reference but am not sure how to find it and don&#039;t have the time to work on doing that right now.  I hope someone else can come up with it because he needs to have that hung around his neck every time he posts one of his condescending messages.  

Marty&#039;s history here makes it easy to predict that he will now post numerous denials, professing outrage at being accused of such a thing, insulting me and anyone else who names him for what he is.  Perhaps this time he will feign hurt feelings as he swears his innocence (although this would be a first).  Regardless of how he tries to twist and turn to avoid his identity, quite a few of us know what he is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a longtime reader of this site, I have noted Marty&#8217;s constant (although sometimes thinly veiled) support of development versus the rights of Fremont homeowners and citizens and (heaven help us) preservation of any sort of green area.  His pursuit of the almighty dollar for HIM without regard for what ill effects it may have on everyone else is readily apparent if you&#8217;ve read his screeds for very long.  NOTE:  Right here, on this site, not long ago, Marty admitted to being in real estate development.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to be able to find that specific message of his to reference but am not sure how to find it and don&#8217;t have the time to work on doing that right now.  I hope someone else can come up with it because he needs to have that hung around his neck every time he posts one of his condescending messages.  </p>
<p>Marty&#8217;s history here makes it easy to predict that he will now post numerous denials, professing outrage at being accused of such a thing, insulting me and anyone else who names him for what he is.  Perhaps this time he will feign hurt feelings as he swears his innocence (although this would be a first).  Regardless of how he tries to twist and turn to avoid his identity, quite a few of us know what he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan,   I&#039;ve followed the &quot;Friends&quot; website and have spoken with them at on many occasions during their public solicitations as far back as 2006/07.  I have read your Argus opinion pieces before and after measure K.  When this heated up last year I took it upon myself to ride out there on a bike and tour the area and get to know what was at stake and what was hyperbole. I ride that stretch of creek trail often.

And while I can appreciate your work on this, after all the end result is IMO an excellent compromise that you may have played a part in effecting (the economy is probably the key factor), I feel that your group has misrepresented the situation from day one.  

I think people have come to expect a developer to lie to them and put their profit above community.  People are on guard and have a healthy skepticism of moneymen, which is probably why your polling has given you the illusion of such broad support.

Sadly, the &quot;Friends of Coyote Hills&quot; have done essentially the same thing.  Personally, I am always on guard of movements in the environmental arena.  This is despite my heavy use of our parks, of which are the result of efforts such as your own.  And this movement is no exception.

In each and every of your editorials, you represented the development as being built at an unprecedented closeness to the hills, putting the wildlife in jeopardy and the experience of the park down the toilet. 

The reality is that both past and present iterations of development brought structures no closer to the park than current ones.  You concern of noise pollution makes me question if you have even used the damn park, as the barrage of cars rushing down the flanking HWY 84 are surely louder than residential chatter.

And, of course, as recently as yesterday you presented an internal poll by the &quot;Friends&quot; claiming overwhelming support.  This is despite being handed a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/ca/alm/meas/K/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;major defeat&lt;/a&gt; on this very issue at election time.  

This is what I mean by misrepresentation.  As someone who does use these parks weekly, who considers himself an outdoorsman, camper, and backpacker I am (choosing to be) offended at you taking advantage of my inherent interest in growing the outdoors experience to suit your unreasonable agenda.

Coyote Hills must have been some place 150 years ago. But it&#039;s today it&#039;s a city park, a metropolitan refuge.  It has never been at risk of being anything other than what it is, despite your claims otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,   I&#8217;ve followed the &#8220;Friends&#8221; website and have spoken with them at on many occasions during their public solicitations as far back as 2006/07.  I have read your Argus opinion pieces before and after measure K.  When this heated up last year I took it upon myself to ride out there on a bike and tour the area and get to know what was at stake and what was hyperbole. I ride that stretch of creek trail often.</p>
<p>And while I can appreciate your work on this, after all the end result is IMO an excellent compromise that you may have played a part in effecting (the economy is probably the key factor), I feel that your group has misrepresented the situation from day one.  </p>
<p>I think people have come to expect a developer to lie to them and put their profit above community.  People are on guard and have a healthy skepticism of moneymen, which is probably why your polling has given you the illusion of such broad support.</p>
<p>Sadly, the &#8220;Friends of Coyote Hills&#8221; have done essentially the same thing.  Personally, I am always on guard of movements in the environmental arena.  This is despite my heavy use of our parks, of which are the result of efforts such as your own.  And this movement is no exception.</p>
<p>In each and every of your editorials, you represented the development as being built at an unprecedented closeness to the hills, putting the wildlife in jeopardy and the experience of the park down the toilet. </p>
<p>The reality is that both past and present iterations of development brought structures no closer to the park than current ones.  You concern of noise pollution makes me question if you have even used the damn park, as the barrage of cars rushing down the flanking HWY 84 are surely louder than residential chatter.</p>
<p>And, of course, as recently as yesterday you presented an internal poll by the &#8220;Friends&#8221; claiming overwhelming support.  This is despite being handed a <a href="http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/ca/alm/meas/K/" rel="nofollow">major defeat</a> on this very issue at election time.  </p>
<p>This is what I mean by misrepresentation.  As someone who does use these parks weekly, who considers himself an outdoorsman, camper, and backpacker I am (choosing to be) offended at you taking advantage of my inherent interest in growing the outdoors experience to suit your unreasonable agenda.</p>
<p>Coyote Hills must have been some place 150 years ago. But it&#8217;s today it&#8217;s a city park, a metropolitan refuge.  It has never been at risk of being anything other than what it is, despite your claims otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Ondrasek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Ondrasek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marty,

Great debating with you but I need to get back to work - I suggest that you read more and write less.  Any development that close to the willow grove will definately have an impact.  Light, traffic, noise....parking lots.  It is the wrong place to build.  There are so many other choices in this area  - so many millions of open square footage in Fremont and surrounds.  Why do we have to build and eliminate one of the last chances to actually expand a Bay ecosystem? There is also a beautiful site in Centerville that used to house the old Centerville church that could be utilized.  Signing off - all the very best to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty,</p>
<p>Great debating with you but I need to get back to work &#8211; I suggest that you read more and write less.  Any development that close to the willow grove will definately have an impact.  Light, traffic, noise&#8230;.parking lots.  It is the wrong place to build.  There are so many other choices in this area  &#8211; so many millions of open square footage in Fremont and surrounds.  Why do we have to build and eliminate one of the last chances to actually expand a Bay ecosystem? There is also a beautiful site in Centerville that used to house the old Centerville church that could be utilized.  Signing off &#8211; all the very best to you.</p>
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