Comments on: Fremont News of the Day

By: Bbox231

Bbox231 — Wed, 29 Dec 2010 01:24:41 +0000

I would completely agree with the notion that as a whole we are more victimish in 2010 . . . No doubt whatsoever

By: Gus Morrison

Gus Morrison — Wed, 29 Dec 2010 01:01:08 +0000

I give up on this one. “Data” is not knowing a victim of a crime. But go ahead and ignore numbers and argue emotions, just don’t pretend it is data.

By: Marty

Marty — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:12:17 +0000

Box, I think what WCG is trying to say is that the estimated 532 victims in 2010 are more victim-ish. Their victimization is more real because they were victims this year, so they count as double.

…or WCG was personally robbed in 2010, so crime must the rise.

By: bbox231

bbox231 — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:57:26 +0000

” . . . wow that is 532 victims!!!”

That’s exactly right WCG and in 2007 there were 606 victims and in 1998 there were 677 and in 1994 there was 1155 and in 1995 there was 1214 !!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you imagine ??

That’s more than TWICE as many victims in 1995 as compared to 2010 . . . . . things must have been just terrible in those days, what was it like back then ??????

By: Marty

Marty — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:59:07 +0000

Yes, but crime is still down.

By: Charlotte Allen

Charlotte Allen — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:34:56 +0000

We’d probably have a more rational society if voters could tell the difference between anecdotes and data, but it’s certainly not going to happen in my lifetime. Here’s a link to crime rates in Fremont from 2000 through 2008 – burglary, theft, and assault, which are the main crimes, are clearly down in 2008.

http://gisweb.fremont.gov/cs/fpd_crimestats.cfm?csxpd=Yes&csy=2008%2C2007%2C2006%2C2005%2C2004%2C2003%2C2002%2C2001%2C2000%2C0

By: west

west — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:58:24 +0000

“Sigh”

By: WCG123

WCG123 — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:02:45 +0000

Gus, with all do respect we have a right to debate what we wish and you are not the “end all” to conversations! If the data you showed has a 0-100 then I would not have anything to say but the fact is as I said before there are victims of crime that could care less about the numbers. When a person goes to work and tries to earn an honest living and some knuckle head violates them, your numbers doesn’t tell the story for us by saying “crime is down according to the FBI”. I am sure you are smarter than that…. When unemployment is on the rise then crime rises as well, because you have not become a victim there are residents in Fremont who have been victimized. So the reason of alarm is what a community activist as yourself should do is help make people aware of surroundings and situations to avoid becoming a victim to crime. It should not take a serious injury to make you and west aware… your numbers show 532 violent crimes, wow that is 532 victims!!!

By: bbox231

bbox231 — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:01:02 +0000

Two things to add –

1. Data which Gus supplies is for total crime COUNTS – not crime RATES (both of which are reported in the FBI UCR) –

2. More importantly, instead of limiting ones’ view of crime to the most recent 4-5 year period as Gus chooses – - if you expand the time axis of data beyond 2004 there are some very clear trends in total violent crime RATES and COUNTS reported . . .

Specifically, for the period 1985 thru 1995, total violent crime data were running almost double (and in some years more) then the most recently reported years.
CLEARLY – rates of violent crime are currently well below that which most residents have previously experienced . . . .

But, keep suggesting something to the contrary – it’s good for the economy.

By: Marty

Marty — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:09:39 +0000

One thing I notice is as I get older more people start to look like criminals. Much of this is perception over reality, as I am less able to identify with late teens and early twenty somethings as I get older, so they appear foreign and suspicious. So, I’m not so sure I should be taken seriously if I were say ‘things just look differently than they did 10 years ago, so therefore crime is up.’