Assembly one vote shy of killing redevelopment
By Matt Artz
Wednesday, March 16th, 2011 at 7:41 pm in Uncategorized.
Got a voicemail that the Assembly was one vote shy of doing away with redevelopment. More votes probably to come. I’m told Assemblymember Wieckowski voted in favor of ending redevelopment.
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March 18th, 2011 at 7:20 am
Wieckowsi can’t find the Loo!
http://blogs.sacbee.com/the_swarm/2011/03/wheres-the-bathroom.html
Not sure if you picked up on this or not. Just thought I’d share.
March 18th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Nuntown, I’ll gladly step up an bash Wieckowski with the best of them, but this is a pretty lame jab.
March 18th, 2011 at 10:44 am
hehe funny article! thanks for sharing Nuntown
March 18th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
A lame jab, I agree, but a valid larger point.
Term limits have been horrible for the state, putting too much power into lobbyist hands. Crippling the unions just puts power into business’s hands. Wieckowski is likely far more prepared than the typical Representative, but I would rather have seen more of Torrico.
We talk so much about the horrors of pension problems, and safety unions have definitely gotten too much since 9/11, but we bail out banks to the tune of trillions while walking away from the poor, the sick, and the young.
MBA business thinking ruined education. MBA business thinking ruined finance. MBA business thinking inflated then destroyed the housing market. MBA business thinking ruined GM and Chrysler. MBA business thinking ruined our nation.
When all is said and done, when the destruction of unions finishes, we will suffer as the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class disappears.
Oh wait, we’re already 50% there.
March 18th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Jon Simon,#4 What is the answer?
March 18th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Just a cheapshot article to prove a lame point
March 18th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Jon Simon — I think that you have something here about the MBA thinking.
I’ve been reading about the coming of the ‘singularity’ the arrival of a computer that is smarter than humans that takes over running everything, some think to the detriment of the humans species.
I think that we’ve already gotten there, with the overtaking of humans by MBA driven corporations. Entities that have no human ethics or goals, other than to make a profit for their stockholders.
We have to fix this.
March 18th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
My word, a conspiracy fostered by a college degree and computers conquering the human race. You guys are worse than the truthers.
March 18th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
#5 West.. Bacons NOT the answer.
March 18th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
#9 Charlie C – VERY compelling.
March 19th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Marty,
Have you been keeping up with the financial crisis in this country? The math wizzes that developed the computer programs for trading derivitives and the speedy frontrunner trading programs had a very big part in the financial crash a couple of years ago. The story is out now in a number of new books and the oscar winning movie —
Ever expanding, profit driven corporations run by ethically bereft people result in a huge amount of damage to plain old unincorporated people. They have the means to fund their friends in academia, government, and even churches and non-profit social organizations to help them accomplish their ends.
They can advise and control their vast networks with the help of a few computers.
Not so far fetched.
March 19th, 2011 at 11:48 am
#10 BBOX-GLAD you see it my way.
March 19th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
#12 – For Charlie –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPRcT9LEjpw
March 19th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Yes, Poppie. And if you were paying attention to that Oscar winning movie, you’d know the Chinese finance minister who was interviewed made the point that these “math wizzes” had engineering degrees, not MBAs.
Still, I don’t think the “MBA mentality” is bad, and I don’t think computers are a threat to the human race.
March 19th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Marty, my point is that with the help of MBA’s and the use of computers and unlimited funds for political persuasion, the corporations have formed a ‘singularity’ that is outcompeting human individuals and other forms of human organizations.
You’ll find something to nitpick with anybody that posts here.
Bye.
March 19th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Poppie…could’nt agree with you more.
Take Vinnies’ lead (as I did) and just don’t respond.
Anyone can be a critic.
After a while either it will change or people will leave the site (blog) and go somewhere else to express themselfs without the directed condensending comments.
…it would end up being “the Marty Blog”
March 20th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Poppie, I agree with your overall sentiment of financial inequity. But the MBA bias and computer conspiracies are ridiculous.
Martin, How about on odd days you can post baseless ideas without the nagging fear of being challenged? Make sure you tell Vinnie.
March 20th, 2011 at 8:20 am
Bbox, #13,
Thanx, enjoyed the video
Martin #16
Amen
March 20th, 2011 at 11:04 am
#13-B,
Looks like the pompous gas bag is at it again. Once again B in the Box has passed enough wind to inflate countless blimps. Box… I expect and will continue to be amused by any and all future garrulous comments directed my way. You might as well be throwing marshmallows at a battleship. I sincerely hope your little friend (#18 West) will some day be able to cross the street by yourself.
March 20th, 2011 at 11:56 am
#13-B, rev1*
Looks like the pompous gas bag is at it again. Once again B in the Box has passed enough wind to inflate countless blimps. Box… I expect and will continue to be amused by any and all future garrulous comments directed my way. You might as well be throwing marshmallows at a battleship. I sincerely hope (*you and) your little friend (#18 West) will some day be able to cross the street by yourself.
March 20th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Bbox,
Free Speech is wonderful, but sometimes it is better to ignore then respond to.
Well you know who I am talking about, do not repond to the Master Baiters on the blog.
March 20th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
#21-West…Master Baiters– VERY compelling.
If you running out of marshmallows I think there are some more right next to the bacon.
March 20th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Can you clarify, is “West” and Californiaguy” the same poster?
March 20th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Californiaguy #21 I agree or as you posted “amen”
March 20th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
#23 Marty…
A 95% probability it’s the same poster. West and or Calguy is not one to reply when painted into a corner. I assume he will hunker down in the bunker and and be back soon as one or the other.
#24 Martin…
I guess you agree with West as well.
Unlike West and or Calguy I don’t think Martin and or Marty are the same poster.
March 20th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
“amen”
@Martin, Knowing that the content of my posts are less challenged than the fact that I am “allowed” to post speaks for itself. You can fantasize about Caliguy “masterbaiting” all you like. It won’t change the fact that I’m right, and you lack the intelligence to articulate otherwise.
Cheers to you, while you pray on that.
March 20th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Interesting, Charlie. They seem very similar.
March 20th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
# 25 Charlie, no I do not agree with West.
# 26 Marty, it seems that you are the one fantasizing.
Let me articulate this:
#1 I’m not a religious person, however I was given my “last rights” in 1967, so to a certain extent I do believe. Be careful with your implications.
#2 my college gpa was 3.87 What was yours ?
#3 Trying to convince everyone that you are right is not proof that you are correct.
#4 I have not and will not post anything here or elsewhere that I would’nt say to a person directly.
March 21st, 2011 at 9:25 am
Psst, Martin… a 3.87 GPA isn’t much to brag about in Fremont.
March 21st, 2011 at 10:53 am
Marty…Again I’ll ask since you avoided answering my previous question
What was your gpa ?
Instead of answering the question you make another degrading comment.
Come on, it’s a simple question.
March 21st, 2011 at 10:57 am
As a product of Fremont’s MSJ schools, a 3.87 GPA is pretty good I think. But it really depends on what school the person went to. For instance, I graduated from UC-Berkeley with a 3.28 GPA
March 21st, 2011 at 11:03 am
Since you’re hot on this, it was 3.70+ in both undergrad and graduate programs. These were both UC campuses, but not Cal.
Now, for the degrading comment – instead of going through life bragging about your GPA, perhaps you can exhibit some intelligence in the content of your posts. Your modest accolades can only get you so far.
March 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am
I stated my gpa once and then raised the question that you finally answered, bragging would be posting it several times is succession.
I should add that I achieved those grades while also working full time.
Again you attempt to insult my intelligence with a snide parting shot.
If my accolades are modest I am more than comfortable with that without regrets.
March 21st, 2011 at 12:08 pm
bragging would be posting it several times is succession
Oh, really!?
I worked through college too, Martin. You’re not very special in any respect.
March 21st, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Marty is a difficult person. He just loves to argue to show how smart he is.
March 21st, 2011 at 2:15 pm
#31 Audrey Thank you for the honest, possitive comment.
#35 Robert Correct on both points, Thanks.
I love a good arguement/discussion as long as it is constructive and eventually ends at the resolution of the arguement/discussion, it should not include cheap shots or personal insults, for these do not need to be inferred by either party to discuss or to resolve issues as adults.
March 22nd, 2011 at 7:29 am
Robert, I will refrain from showing how smart I am and instead post my college GPA and demand that others do the same. I think Martin has proved this method to have the most class.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Confronting someone in a personalized and offensive nature, or, creating the appearance of a momentary and sincere conversation, but of topics not central to the TCB, has the very same result – the attentions of BLOG participants are directed to topics other than the antics of our current leaders and city management.
Who benefits from this kind of nonesense ?
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Marty #37, I haven’t met you nor have I met this man. But I bet you are smarter than this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PjAPImKd0E
March 22nd, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Chinmoy, I think Dubya has me on smarts. Have you had a chance to introduce yourself to our resident overachiever? He worked though college.
I always like to wrap up posts that turn into Marty bashing threads — if for nothing other than brevity and a historical record for those who stumble upon this page after googling the terms “Wiekowski pee GPA”.
To summarize this one, Wieckowski is either a very busy man or he has prostate cancer, MBA programs are rolling out practitioners of evil, a computer called “Singularity” will overtake the human race, the average college GPA of a TCB poster is 3.61, and there’s a possibility that I conspire with the city government to distract people, and if so it worked with Californiaguy.
March 22nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
From todays San Jose Mercury…
Reasonable development by reasonable people.
“The 49ers will get $4 million now, and can spend up to $36 million more knowing the city would repay the team later when it gets the money through future property tax revenue. Overall, the city has pledged $114 million in public money toward the stadium, but nothing from its general fund. The 49ers will use the first chunk of money to relocate utilities, improve access on the site and complete other work necessary before the construction can begin.”
While Santa Clara “gets it” and can only benifit… Fremont needs to do some serious reflection about how they got it so wrong.
March 22nd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Real disappointment eh, Charlie ?
And, you know the only thing worse than a few dozen soccer moms playing the NIMBY card, was the fact that there wasn’t any kind of critical mass of support for this thing.
What a shame our Mayor and COuncil came up almost completely ineffectual on any counter and supportive effort . . hell, with all the connections *T H E Y* have – - – and they couldn’t get a little buzz goin’ ?
What a crying shame, Charlie . . . . . you’re right, – - somebody dropped the ball big time on this one !
March 22nd, 2011 at 8:44 pm
there wasn’t any kind of critical mass of support for this thing.
Yes, Box. After all, Americans hate baseball.
March 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
#42 BOX…
Are you stewing in your guilt???
Yes, the Fremont Citizens Network and their leaders (no names) screwed Fremont BIG TIME… you know it. When it’s time to vote for city council in the next election this must be taken into consideration. Reasonable people who want what is BEST for their community must NOT vote for the candidate with the most LEMON yellow signs.
FYI…As of December 2010, the highest finite Bacon number reported by the Oracle of Bacon is 9.
March 23rd, 2011 at 8:44 am
Oh, heck no – Americans LOVE baseball – - – which is exactly why this had to have been such a massive “swing-and-a-miss” by Wasserman et-al.
With all the pro-baseball sentiment that must exist, and with the backing of so many in their community – - why was it that the only voices that were (seemingly) heard and responded to were that of a few dozen opponents ?
Hell, this is California, you’re going to have some nay-sayers if you sneeze – - anyone that thinks otherwise is out of touch.
The question is, with all of this pro-baseball sentiment, with all of this pent-up demand, dontcha think that any 2-bit politico could have mustered a proper supporting response – - but, once again, we fall flat on our respective faces because . . . . . . ????
Attempting to hold FCN responsible for Lew’s decision attributes far greater credit than, frankly, even I think they deserve – -
If there was a failure in this process, credit for that failure lays solely and primarily in the hands of our leaders and management.
March 23rd, 2011 at 10:13 am
There were two pro-stadium rallies and a short lived pro-stadium group. I supported the stadium and I attended neither of the events. My guess is that people probably thought it would happen.
March 23rd, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Boy – - – now *that* seems like a pretty big miss and says something . . . . not sure what it says but maybe that Fremontians are very different from a very large cross-section of the larger N. American population ?
Because other communities get behind something like this and promote the hell out of it. But not Fremont . .. .
Which now calls into question your first hypothesis . . . and just maybe, Fremontians are also so different that they also don’t care (much) for baseball.
Good points, Marty.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:05 pm
I’m still not sure what your point is, but thanks for that sampling of “sincere conversation“, Mr Box.
March 23rd, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Not surprised, Marty –
It was *your* point after all.
March 23rd, 2011 at 9:35 pm
… and please do not delude yourself.
There is no conversation that you are involved in that *I* consider sincere. . . . at any level.
March 24th, 2011 at 7:15 am
Thanks for the insult (and ellipses) laden posts, Mr Box. This surely secures the spot on higher ground that you have imagined for yourself.
March 24th, 2011 at 8:05 am
#44 Charlie The ballbark didn’t happen because the majority of the people in FREMONT don’t care about baseball and would have to pay the price for something that they don’t even want. If the people of fremont would have got to vote on the ballpark we would have seen what the people of Fremont really want. NO TO THE BALLPARK NO TO W-ASS-ERMAN
March 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Gee Marty I had no problem understanding bbox’s point. Maybe you just lack the intelligence to engage in debate at our level. Intelligent people would never be caught engaging in the pointless idiotic arguments that you always seems to get involved in.
Marty previously admitted he was making contradictory comments. He said FCN was ineffective and that they’re responsible for Fremont losing the A’s. He really doesn’t care as long as he can attack people. Just like Newt is for and against action in Libya as long as it allows him to criticize Obama. Do intelligent people contradict themselves like this?
It’s hilarious that Marty complains about insults and insincere conversation when he’s losing an argument. There’s never been a pot calling a kettle more black. Marty is a joke and we’re all having a good time laughing at him. What’s really sad is that Marty actually takes himself seriously. At least Charlie seems to know that he’s acting like a fool.
March 24th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Thanks for commenting, Jenny. Of course, I disagree on most points.
March 24th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
#53 Pitre
This is too funny. To the point, no doubt.
Thanks for making me giggle.
#38 Bbox231
I only responded to defend myself from the insults posted previously, not to distract anyone enjoying the TCB or it’s possible constructive possibilities.
I would rather have had a ballpark than a Bart station.
There are other issues
March 25th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
#53 – Marty got the point Pitre. S/he/it’s has used the “I dont understand” as an exit strategy in multiple instances – usually when there’s nothing left in the way of intelligent response.
#55 – my comments weren’t aimed at anyone other than our friend Marty ( in the context of this particular thread, that is) –
Certainly I have been lame enough to play sucker to Marty’s baiting, so I have little room to be critical of those who do similarly.
I guess when it comes down to it, I’d like to see us do something smart – - and maybe a ballpark could have been just that. But, at the end of the day, I do not want to see additional resource placed in the hands of the individuals we’ve got running this town right now.
I’ve made clear in my past postings, the examples of nonesense that goes on in our city and I am concerned that if we can’t figure out how to do better on those very basic fronts . . . . a huge negotiation, plan and ensuing project such as a ballpark could only (IMHO) occur at serious expense to the Fremont citizens.
Lew woulda handed us our butts for years to come.
March 25th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
#52 Worble… Looks like you have sniffed a little too much of BBOXES gas.
If the majority of the people in FREMONT don’t care about baseball…then they must not care about years of steady cash flow, thousands of jobs, tax revenue, upscale development and civic pride either. If this had ever come to a vote well over 50% of the voters would have approved the ballpark and you know it. Sad to say the FCN mob killed it before reasonable people had a chance to vote on it. Even is as you falsely claim “the people of FREMONT would have to pay the price for something that they don’t even want” that would be just fine because it would be filled to capacity with tourist from around the world spending millions and millions of dollars in FREMONT for years and years. And remember reasonable people… just say NO to BACON.
March 25th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
#56 Bbox231 thanks for the clarifacation.
I would still rather have a ballpark than a Bart station and UP expansion, any day of the week.
Baseball, hotdogs, a beer…
March 25th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Box, #56, I’m serious. You use too much punctuation, phrase your points as questions and possess the general intelligence and prose of junior college student. Sometimes I really have no idea what you are trying to say.
And it didn’t escape me that Martin is yet another phantom ballpark supporter, who like the rest of us were just fine letting the cards fall where they lay. No need to join a club and get all rabid in front of Weibel with our kids. kind of dispells the basis for your little pissing match.
But, take solace in the fact that your leader’s highly intelligent pillow partner backs you.
March 25th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
#53 Geewiz Pitre …Looks like your “intelligence” has once again bit you in the ass.
What your calling a pointless and idiotic arguments is in fact something history is proving to be correct. Fremont should have built the ballpark! Forget about Libya … lets talk about local issues than effect us all living in Fremont.
The FCN has screwed Fremont for the foreseeable future. Oh yea…the FCN was very effective and they’re the #1 reason that Fremont lost the A’s. You seem to be proud of that? Does it concern you that when you look the mirror and see Newt looking back at you? Your are defending the FNC so you might as well get in bed with Carl Rove for their tactics are the same as Roves. Intelligent people admit the screwed the pooch!
“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.”
Think about it Pitre.
March 26th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Martin -
How did the actual acquisition by UP overlay the proposed stadium boundaries ?
How long ago did UP decide to act on this land acquisition? Would they have expedited their acquisition plans if the Feds hadn’t “asked” Lew to focus his attentions elsewhere ?
How many acres of land to the north, east and south of NUMMI are ALREADY allocated to sidings and related activities ?
At the height of NUMMI activities, how many vehicular trips were made by diesel-spewing trucks and locomotives occurred ?
It’s curious but there is a great deal of overt effort and energy attempting to allocate responsibility for the miss on the stadium opportunity (if that’s what you believe it to be) AND NOW on the UP land acquisition onto the shoulders of a few folks who *are* involved in their community.
At the end of the day, this has been an interesting argument to watch but one which completely ignores the efforts and responsibilities of those who COULD have chosen to become more involved. I include our current leaders in that latter category BTW.
March 26th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Well put Pitre, you are right on the mark with these court jesters
Pitre Says:
March 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Gee Marty I had no problem understanding bbox’s point. Maybe you just lack the intelligence to engage in debate at our level. Intelligent people would never be caught engaging in the pointless idiotic arguments that you always seems to get involved in.
Marty previously admitted he was making contradictory comments. He said FCN was ineffective and that they’re responsible for Fremont losing the A’s. He really doesn’t care as long as he can attack people. Just like Newt is for and against action in Libya as long as it allows him to criticize Obama. Do intelligent people contradict themselves like this?
It’s hilarious that Marty complains about insults and insincere conversation when he’s losing an argument. There’s never been a pot calling a kettle more black. Marty is a joke and we’re all having a good time laughing at him. What’s really sad is that Marty actually takes himself seriously. At least Charlie seems to know that he’s acting like a fool.
March 26th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
#61 Bbox231 I simply posted that “I would rather have a ballpark than a Bart station and UP expansion, any day of the week. Baseball, hotdogs, a beer…”
Let me ask you this: What percentage of FCN members actually live in the Warm Springs District ? 10%, 20% more,less ???
It was portrayed by the media that WS residents were against the ballpark, when in fact it was Weibel and Mission District residents (in the majority) that were against it.
I’ll look into your other questions and get back to you.
March 26th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Bbox231
Interested in a baseball game or two on Sunday.
Twin Creeks, in Sunnyvale.
Baseball, hotdogs, a beer…
No money, taxes or revenue for Fremont.
But then again, it’s just a game…..
March 27th, 2011 at 1:17 am
Twin Creeks is a nice venue – —
I’ve played there on more than one occassion.
too old to slide and the youngsters dont wanna play w/someone who isn’t “serious” about the game.
Dunno squat about the FCN demographic. . . but, seriously, who cares ?
FCN was/is (relatively) small in numbers.
The point is that the pro-stadium constituency couldn’t rally anything nearly as effective which is (IMHO) a much more significant statement about the relative disconnectedness of Wasserman et al.
March 27th, 2011 at 7:34 am
However many people voice their support for the stadium right here in plain English, I suppose Box still needs video proof to understand that he’s mistaken.
March 27th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
#62 West…Acting like a fool?
Hurry, hurry… if you renew your FCN membership in the next 15 minutes you can celebrate with your leaders Kathy & Vinnie! With your renewal you will get unlimited spam on ritz cracker & all the cold duck you can drink!
I must conclude that you are not a reasonable person. Do reasonable people oppose building a stadium for a professional baseball franchise in their community?
Detroit didn’t…Pittsburg didn’t, Miami didn’t but wait… Fremont did. Case closed!
Everybody plays the fool sometime BUT in your case West it’s ALL the time. The FCN is the organization were fools go to pollinate with other fools. Is it too late to give Lew Wolfe a call to maybe reconsider?
March 28th, 2011 at 7:24 am
Poppie’s right about MBA’s. At least 82% of them.
March 28th, 2011 at 11:27 am
A survey of the top 100 places where MBA graduates would like to work:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/mba100/2009/full_list/
March 28th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Don’t blame MBAs. Some people are just more greedy, cut-throat and self-centered than others by nature.
March 28th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
C #67 Your conclusion is faulty because your premise is faulty. Reasonable people do oppose building stadiums in a community, just as reasonable people are in favor of them. Public funding and community impact are two of the commonly cited reasons. However the two biggest things that killed a Fremont stadium were the opposition by the Pac Comm retailers (where the stadium was to be built based on the long-standing proposal and planning) and the housing market collapse (which dried up Wolff’s planned funding source). The quick switch to WS & S. Grimmer Blvds behind and off NUMMI land, opposed by nearby residents & others, was a hail-Mary.
The video “proof” of support referenced by Marty happened after NUMMI had announced its closing and Wolff had already pulled out, when some people in Fremont (including Diaz) hoped that they could entice Wolff to change his mind with an unconfirmed offer of NUMMI property paid for by the county. By then the anti-stadium group had already had its rallies (on the news, in the paper) at Weibel, the City Hall, etc., “proof” of opposition to the stadium.
Despite C’s baseless assertion that “if this had ever come to a vote well over 50% of the voters would have approved the ballpark and you know it,” we actually don’t know. Many people asked the City Council to put the matter up for a vote but they didn’t want to do that. Wolff was against a vote because of the cost, delay and possibility that voters *wouldn’t* go for a stadium, and he already had the Fremont Council in his back pocket. So neither side can make an honest claim of community support for or against a stadium. At least SJ Mayor Chuck Reed is willing to put the SJ A’s stadium & (RDA and land site lease) public funding to a vote so it’s clear what the citizens want.
March 28th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
I somewhat agree with #71. Everything is speculation without a vote. And god knows all we’ve been doing is speculating about Wolff. I think real estate tanking had more to do with it than objections from Lowes and Costco. Either way, Pac Commons retailers were a non-issue once the site had changed to Warm Springs, at which point there was the economy, the San Jose prospect, and the FCN. I think all played a role.
Perhaps ballpark supporters could have been more organized and vocal ealier, but support was there. I think it’s flat out wrong to conclude that there was less support because effort and organization didn’t live up to the short-lived organization of the FCN.
Remember, much of the FCN’s prevalence was accelerated by two people who were highly motivated to be elected to the city council. Also, there were people terrified that the value of their cherished elementary school may be jeopardized…. and if there’s two things that get results in American politics it is fear combined with political opportunism.
March 29th, 2011 at 7:57 am
Hey Charlie you and Marty can cry all you want about the ballpark and the FCN and in the end guess what? NO BALLPARK IN FRMONT!!! HA HA You and Marty will have to go Oakland to get drunk and fat on all the beer and hotdogs you can drink and eat.
March 29th, 2011 at 8:19 am
…sounds better than eating yogurt with toppings at a strip mall.
March 29th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Detroit, Pittsburg, Miami and…. Fremont?? Seriously?
March 29th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
#73Worble…Were the hell is FRMONT???
#75 Jen… Why are other cities building stadiums? Yes, Detroit, Pittsburg, Miami, Cincinnati and St. Louis did too. Why did these cities build stadiums? Are they a bunch of dumb asses? You and your ilk have set FRMONT and or FREMONT back 100 years. Good job Jen!
March 30th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Charlie – My point was that Detroit and Pittsburg are both cities with long baseball traditions that built NEW stadiums for their teams. Miami is a major metropolis with a football and a basketball franchise, so a major league baseball stadium is not a stretch. Fremont is neither of those things. Stadiums in Detroit and Pittsburg revitalized an area which was economically depressed due in part to the collapse of the auto and steel industries, respectively.
For the record, I really have/had no strong feelings regarding a stadium in Fremont. If it was have going to have happened, the area near Pac Commons would have been the better spot, in my opinion, rather than Warm Springs.
Oh, and btw – you chided Worble for misspelling Fremont. Did you mean “Where the hell…” because you wrote “Were the hell…”?
March 30th, 2011 at 11:56 am
You both misspelled “Pittsburg”.
Sans Miami, I think Charlie has a point. Detroit and Pittsburgh are far from worldly destinations. Also, you can say that sports have unified those cities through dire times. Unification is definitely something Fremont can have more of.
March 30th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Thanks Marty. I wish Pittsburg, CA would have just added the “h” – would have made things easier.
March 30th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Thinking from the A’s point of view, it made more sense for them
To be in a larger city since there is greater likelihood of attendance and support of their events. A’s have a better shot in a big city like Oakland then in Fremont.