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Assembly one vote shy of killing redevelopment

By Matt Artz
Wednesday, March 16th, 2011 at 7:41 pm in Uncategorized.

Got a voicemail that the Assembly was one vote shy of doing away with redevelopment. More votes probably to come. I’m told Assemblymember Wieckowski voted in favor of ending redevelopment.

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  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/parting-gifts-for-election-losers/ Marty

    Thanks for the insult (and ellipses) laden posts, Mr Box. This surely secures the spot on higher ground that you have imagined for yourself.

  • worble

    #44 Charlie The ballbark didn’t happen because the majority of the people in FREMONT don’t care about baseball and would have to pay the price for something that they don’t even want. If the people of fremont would have got to vote on the ballpark we would have seen what the people of Fremont really want. NO TO THE BALLPARK NO TO W-ASS-ERMAN

  • Pitre

    Gee Marty I had no problem understanding bbox’s point. Maybe you just lack the intelligence to engage in debate at our level. Intelligent people would never be caught engaging in the pointless idiotic arguments that you always seems to get involved in.

    Marty previously admitted he was making contradictory comments. He said FCN was ineffective and that they’re responsible for Fremont losing the A’s. He really doesn’t care as long as he can attack people. Just like Newt is for and against action in Libya as long as it allows him to criticize Obama. Do intelligent people contradict themselves like this?

    It’s hilarious that Marty complains about insults and insincere conversation when he’s losing an argument. There’s never been a pot calling a kettle more black. Marty is a joke and we’re all having a good time laughing at him. What’s really sad is that Marty actually takes himself seriously. At least Charlie seems to know that he’s acting like a fool.

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/ Marty

    Thanks for commenting, Jenny. Of course, I disagree on most points.

  • Martin

    #53 Pitre
    This is too funny. To the point, no doubt.
    Thanks for making me giggle.

    #38 Bbox231
    I only responded to defend myself from the insults posted previously, not to distract anyone enjoying the TCB or it’s possible constructive possibilities.

    I would rather have had a ballpark than a Bart station.

    There are other issues

  • bbox231

    #53 – Marty got the point Pitre. S/he/it’s has used the “I dont understand” as an exit strategy in multiple instances – usually when there’s nothing left in the way of intelligent response.

    #55 – my comments weren’t aimed at anyone other than our friend Marty ( in the context of this particular thread, that is) –

    Certainly I have been lame enough to play sucker to Marty’s baiting, so I have little room to be critical of those who do similarly.

    I guess when it comes down to it, I’d like to see us do something smart – - and maybe a ballpark could have been just that. But, at the end of the day, I do not want to see additional resource placed in the hands of the individuals we’ve got running this town right now.

    I’ve made clear in my past postings, the examples of nonesense that goes on in our city and I am concerned that if we can’t figure out how to do better on those very basic fronts . . . . a huge negotiation, plan and ensuing project such as a ballpark could only (IMHO) occur at serious expense to the Fremont citizens.

    Lew woulda handed us our butts for years to come.

  • charlie C

    #52 Worble… Looks like you have sniffed a little too much of BBOXES gas.
    If the majority of the people in FREMONT don’t care about baseball…then they must not care about years of steady cash flow, thousands of jobs, tax revenue, upscale development and civic pride either. If this had ever come to a vote well over 50% of the voters would have approved the ballpark and you know it. Sad to say the FCN mob killed it before reasonable people had a chance to vote on it. Even is as you falsely claim “the people of FREMONT would have to pay the price for something that they don’t even want” that would be just fine because it would be filled to capacity with tourist from around the world spending millions and millions of dollars in FREMONT for years and years. And remember reasonable people… just say NO to BACON.

  • Martin

    #56 Bbox231 thanks for the clarifacation.

    I would still rather have a ballpark than a Bart station and UP expansion, any day of the week.
    Baseball, hotdogs, a beer…

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/ Marty

    Box, #56, I’m serious. You use too much punctuation, phrase your points as questions and possess the general intelligence and prose of junior college student. Sometimes I really have no idea what you are trying to say.

    And it didn’t escape me that Martin is yet another phantom ballpark supporter, who like the rest of us were just fine letting the cards fall where they lay. No need to join a club and get all rabid in front of Weibel with our kids. kind of dispells the basis for your little pissing match.

    But, take solace in the fact that your leader’s highly intelligent pillow partner backs you.

  • charlie C

    #53 Geewiz Pitre …Looks like your “intelligence” has once again bit you in the ass.
    What your calling a pointless and idiotic arguments is in fact something history is proving to be correct. Fremont should have built the ballpark! Forget about Libya … lets talk about local issues than effect us all living in Fremont.
    The FCN has screwed Fremont for the foreseeable future. Oh yea…the FCN was very effective and they’re the #1 reason that Fremont lost the A’s. You seem to be proud of that? Does it concern you that when you look the mirror and see Newt looking back at you? Your are defending the FNC so you might as well get in bed with Carl Rove for their tactics are the same as Roves. Intelligent people admit the screwed the pooch!

    “Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.”
    Think about it Pitre.

  • bbox231

    Martin -

    How did the actual acquisition by UP overlay the proposed stadium boundaries ?

    How long ago did UP decide to act on this land acquisition? Would they have expedited their acquisition plans if the Feds hadn’t “asked” Lew to focus his attentions elsewhere ?

    How many acres of land to the north, east and south of NUMMI are ALREADY allocated to sidings and related activities ?

    At the height of NUMMI activities, how many vehicular trips were made by diesel-spewing trucks and locomotives occurred ?

    It’s curious but there is a great deal of overt effort and energy attempting to allocate responsibility for the miss on the stadium opportunity (if that’s what you believe it to be) AND NOW on the UP land acquisition onto the shoulders of a few folks who *are* involved in their community.

    At the end of the day, this has been an interesting argument to watch but one which completely ignores the efforts and responsibilities of those who COULD have chosen to become more involved. I include our current leaders in that latter category BTW.

  • Californiaguy

    Well put Pitre, you are right on the mark with these court jesters
    Pitre Says:
    March 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
    Gee Marty I had no problem understanding bbox’s point. Maybe you just lack the intelligence to engage in debate at our level. Intelligent people would never be caught engaging in the pointless idiotic arguments that you always seems to get involved in.

    Marty previously admitted he was making contradictory comments. He said FCN was ineffective and that they’re responsible for Fremont losing the A’s. He really doesn’t care as long as he can attack people. Just like Newt is for and against action in Libya as long as it allows him to criticize Obama. Do intelligent people contradict themselves like this?

    It’s hilarious that Marty complains about insults and insincere conversation when he’s losing an argument. There’s never been a pot calling a kettle more black. Marty is a joke and we’re all having a good time laughing at him. What’s really sad is that Marty actually takes himself seriously. At least Charlie seems to know that he’s acting like a fool.

  • Martin

    #61 Bbox231 I simply posted that “I would rather have a ballpark than a Bart station and UP expansion, any day of the week. Baseball, hotdogs, a beer…”

    Let me ask you this: What percentage of FCN members actually live in the Warm Springs District ? 10%, 20% more,less ???
    It was portrayed by the media that WS residents were against the ballpark, when in fact it was Weibel and Mission District residents (in the majority) that were against it.
    I’ll look into your other questions and get back to you.

  • Martin

    Bbox231
    Interested in a baseball game or two on Sunday.
    Twin Creeks, in Sunnyvale.
    Baseball, hotdogs, a beer…
    No money, taxes or revenue for Fremont.

    But then again, it’s just a game…..

  • bbox231

    Twin Creeks is a nice venue – —
    I’ve played there on more than one occassion.

    too old to slide and the youngsters dont wanna play w/someone who isn’t “serious” about the game.

    Dunno squat about the FCN demographic. . . but, seriously, who cares ?

    FCN was/is (relatively) small in numbers.

    The point is that the pro-stadium constituency couldn’t rally anything nearly as effective which is (IMHO) a much more significant statement about the relative disconnectedness of Wasserman et al.

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/ Marty

    However many people voice their support for the stadium right here in plain English, I suppose Box still needs video proof to understand that he’s mistaken.

  • charlie C

    #62 West…Acting like a fool?
    Hurry, hurry… if you renew your FCN membership in the next 15 minutes you can celebrate with your leaders Kathy & Vinnie! With your renewal you will get unlimited spam on ritz cracker & all the cold duck you can drink!
    I must conclude that you are not a reasonable person. Do reasonable people oppose building a stadium for a professional baseball franchise in their community?
    Detroit didn’t…Pittsburg didn’t, Miami didn’t but wait… Fremont did. Case closed!
    Everybody plays the fool sometime BUT in your case West it’s ALL the time. The FCN is the organization were fools go to pollinate with other fools. Is it too late to give Lew Wolfe a call to maybe reconsider?

  • Tony Irvington

    Poppie’s right about MBA’s. At least 82% of them.

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/ Marty

    A survey of the top 100 places where MBA graduates would like to work:

    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/mba100/2009/full_list/

  • IndependentGuy

    Don’t blame MBAs. Some people are just more greedy, cut-throat and self-centered than others by nature.

  • RescueBlues

    C #67 Your conclusion is faulty because your premise is faulty. Reasonable people do oppose building stadiums in a community, just as reasonable people are in favor of them. Public funding and community impact are two of the commonly cited reasons. However the two biggest things that killed a Fremont stadium were the opposition by the Pac Comm retailers (where the stadium was to be built based on the long-standing proposal and planning) and the housing market collapse (which dried up Wolff’s planned funding source). The quick switch to WS & S. Grimmer Blvds behind and off NUMMI land, opposed by nearby residents & others, was a hail-Mary.

    The video “proof” of support referenced by Marty happened after NUMMI had announced its closing and Wolff had already pulled out, when some people in Fremont (including Diaz) hoped that they could entice Wolff to change his mind with an unconfirmed offer of NUMMI property paid for by the county. By then the anti-stadium group had already had its rallies (on the news, in the paper) at Weibel, the City Hall, etc., “proof” of opposition to the stadium.

    Despite C’s baseless assertion that “if this had ever come to a vote well over 50% of the voters would have approved the ballpark and you know it,” we actually don’t know. Many people asked the City Council to put the matter up for a vote but they didn’t want to do that. Wolff was against a vote because of the cost, delay and possibility that voters *wouldn’t* go for a stadium, and he already had the Fremont Council in his back pocket. So neither side can make an honest claim of community support for or against a stadium. At least SJ Mayor Chuck Reed is willing to put the SJ A’s stadium & (RDA and land site lease) public funding to a vote so it’s clear what the citizens want.

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/ Marty

    I somewhat agree with #71. Everything is speculation without a vote. And god knows all we’ve been doing is speculating about Wolff. I think real estate tanking had more to do with it than objections from Lowes and Costco. Either way, Pac Commons retailers were a non-issue once the site had changed to Warm Springs, at which point there was the economy, the San Jose prospect, and the FCN. I think all played a role.

    Perhaps ballpark supporters could have been more organized and vocal ealier, but support was there. I think it’s flat out wrong to conclude that there was less support because effort and organization didn’t live up to the short-lived organization of the FCN.

    Remember, much of the FCN’s prevalence was accelerated by two people who were highly motivated to be elected to the city council. Also, there were people terrified that the value of their cherished elementary school may be jeopardized…. and if there’s two things that get results in American politics it is fear combined with political opportunism.

  • worble

    Hey Charlie you and Marty can cry all you want about the ballpark and the FCN and in the end guess what? NO BALLPARK IN FRMONT!!! HA HA You and Marty will have to go Oakland to get drunk and fat on all the beer and hotdogs you can drink and eat.

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/parting-gifts-for-election-losers/ Marty

    …sounds better than eating yogurt with toppings at a strip mall.

  • Jen

    Detroit, Pittsburg, Miami and…. Fremont?? Seriously?

  • charlie C

    #73Worble…Were the hell is FRMONT???
    #75 Jen… Why are other cities building stadiums? Yes, Detroit, Pittsburg, Miami, Cincinnati and St. Louis did too. Why did these cities build stadiums? Are they a bunch of dumb asses? You and your ilk have set FRMONT and or FREMONT back 100 years. Good job Jen!

  • Jen

    Charlie – My point was that Detroit and Pittsburg are both cities with long baseball traditions that built NEW stadiums for their teams. Miami is a major metropolis with a football and a basketball franchise, so a major league baseball stadium is not a stretch. Fremont is neither of those things. Stadiums in Detroit and Pittsburg revitalized an area which was economically depressed due in part to the collapse of the auto and steel industries, respectively.
    For the record, I really have/had no strong feelings regarding a stadium in Fremont. If it was have going to have happened, the area near Pac Commons would have been the better spot, in my opinion, rather than Warm Springs.

    Oh, and btw – you chided Worble for misspelling Fremont. Did you mean “Where the hell…” because you wrote “Were the hell…”?

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/parting-gifts-for-election-losers/ Marty

    You both misspelled “Pittsburg”.

    Sans Miami, I think Charlie has a point. Detroit and Pittsburgh are far from worldly destinations. Also, you can say that sports have unified those cities through dire times. Unification is definitely something Fremont can have more of.

  • Jen

    Thanks Marty. I wish Pittsburg, CA would have just added the “h” – would have made things easier.

  • Robert

    Thinking from the A’s point of view, it made more sense for them
    To be in a larger city since there is greater likelihood of attendance and support of their events. A’s have a better shot in a big city like Oakland then in Fremont.