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Salaries

By Matt Artz
Monday, April 25th, 2011 at 5:14 pm in Uncategorized.

The paper relased its annual salary database on Sunday. This one is a little more complex than the others. When they send me the spreadsheet for Fremont, I’ll crunch a few numbers and share them.

For now, you can look at some Fremont top earners here, if you like to look at that kind of thing.

Also, you might notice that the star of past Bay Area Newsgroup Salary Surveys Washington Hospital CEO Nancy Farber isn’t included in this one. The survey people told me that Washington refused to provide full data. They claimed they could not calculate pensions and refused to provide spending on medical coverage, claiming privacy.

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  • Jon Simon

    Far from being useful, this database borders on libel. The information is wildly inaccurate. It should be taken down immediately and only put back up when fixed.

    For instance, with my wife’s salary, it incorrectly shows no contributions to medical or pension. We could only wish. I’m talking tens of thousands of dollars. “Misc.” is not clearly defined, either. Does the database roll human resources costs into salary? It’s all unclear.

    If you use this information to make a decision or judgment, you’re a fool or politically motivated.

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/parting-gifts-for-election-losers/ Marty

    The comments section is funny. Public employees are complaining about not taking home close to their base salary because of health and retirement contributions.

    What a god awful reality for some!

  • West

    Excellent Data Matt, transparency is needed at all levels of government.
    There may be some inaccuracies in the data but WOW.
    How do lower level administrators get 300 to 400 Thousands of dollars a year. Plus, the FAT pensions

  • Jon Simon

    Marty, the point is that you don’t know what they’re actually making after reading this database. If a significant fraction of the data is known wrong, you cannot trust the rest.

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/parting-gifts-for-election-losers/ Marty

    Jon, most of us who work for a private employer consider health premiums and retirement costs personal expenses. Unless you are claiming that your wife (or any public employee) pays more for their health coverage or generous retirement than those in industry, this is a non point.

  • Jon Simon

    Marty,

    Most people I know who work in industry and get health care as part of their compensation DO NOT consider it as part of their salary. When employers make matching contributions, it is usually not considered part of their salary. Teacher retirement is far from generous, especially with all their hard-earned earned Social Security contributions stolen. Perhaps you are mistaking teachers with fire, police, and prison guards?

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/parting-gifts-for-election-losers/ Marty

    Jon, I realize teachers get a raw deal. But as long as they’re aligning themselves under the labor tent I think it’s fair to speak of all public employees as a group.

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/parting-gifts-for-election-losers/ Marty

    BTW, I think total compensation is considered by most people. You’re not going to leave a 80K/year job with good benefits for a 90K/year job with no health coverage for your family.

    In #2 I was referring to the public employee commenters on the Merc page who felt the need to clarify that they don’t take home their base pay because of health care and retirement contributions. I thought that was funny, and reflective of the delusional bubble they live in. EVERYBODY contributes to those things!

    $4500/year is lopped off my salary because of health care. Close to 6,000+ goes to social security (which will provide a measly 10% of the salary I’ll be earning before I retire). Another 10% of my salary gone to a supplemental retirement account.

    That’s over 20K out the door this year alone, my friend. And a retired city janitor will probably be living fatter than I when 2040 rolls around.

  • Jon Simon

    Marty,

    Are you adding your employer’s SS contributions to your salary? How about Medicare? Worker’s Compensation? Retirement health? Unemployment insurance? All of those get added to FUSD’s “salary” for teachers. Add those numbers in to see what your comparable compensation is.

    $4,500 a year for your health insurance? Cry me a river. FUSD teacher PPO family insurance with eye and teeth runs $18,000+ per year. Can we drop it? Sure. Will any insurance company insure our family? Probably not because we actually make doctor visits once in a while. In FUSD and most districts, all but WCCUSD as far as I know, teacher health insurance costs come straight from salaries. Is this a Cadillac plan that covers everything? No, it’s actually mediocre coverage.

    Marty, if you choose to lump all public employees together, you’re being intellectually dishonest. Teachers have a separate union, separate retirement system, and disparate treatment from fire, police, and prison. This “labor tent” sounds like Republican Newspeak.

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/ Marty

    FUSD teacher PPO family insurance with eye and teeth runs $18,000+ per year.

    The employee pays $18,000 out of pocket?

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/ Marty

    I’m trying to understand, Jon.

    You’re wife’s salary is listed at about 78K. Are you saying that her actual wages is $78,000 minus employer contributions to SS (6.2%), SDI(1.1%) and MED(2.9%)?

    i.e 78,000 – 4,840 – 860 – 2,260 = $70,040

    …and deducted from this is $18,000 in health coverage and the standard deductions we all pay?

  • Jen

    You can find the information on the FUSD website. It lists the cost of health care options for credentialed employees of the district, as well as the salary schedule.

    It also states that the employee pays ALL health benefit costs out of pocket. The starting salary for a teacher in the FUSD is around $58,000 per year, and that includes an allowance for paying 100% of your health care premiums.

    So while those of us who work for private employers pay a few hundred dollars a month out of pocket for ourselves and our families, a teacher pays over $1000 (at least) for themselves and their family out of pocket.

    Or you can be a front desk officer at the police station and earn over $99,000 in OT per year…

  • Jon Simon

    Marty,

    The numbers the school district gave to the database are unclear and definitely inaccurate – my original point. Let me say this again, Marty. THE NUMBERS FROM THE DATABASE ARE MISLEADING AT BEST.

    $19,200 OUT OF POCKET for medical insurance and disability from employees who take the less-expensive (hah!) choice for family PPO health. It might be higher now since I’m going off December numbers.

    What else do they take? Well, there’s no explanation of the numbers the district released, and we already know they’re inaccurate, but assuming all district payouts from pay stubs are included, they’re also deducting from their end, not the employee’s end:
    Medicare
    Retirement
    Unemployment
    Worker’s Comp
    Retiree Health (which also includes something called ACT health, I believe)
    There’s no SS because teachers get STRS, not SS.

    On the employee side, don’t forget mandatory pension contributions, Medicare, and Federal and state taxes. I think that covers it.

    In the end, a teacher who takes family health insurance will see about 55% of the ANG-published number, and that’s BEFORE taxes.

    So would she take 90k with no benefits? Why yes, sir, she would. That would be a rather nice raise.

  • Jon Simon

    To be clear, that percentage will go down for newer teachers and up for older ones because insurance costs do not scale with age.

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/parting-gifts-for-election-losers/ Marty

    That is a raw deal. Jen’s snark pretty much sums it up for me, too.

    Or you can be a front desk officer at the police station and earn over $99,000 in OT per year…

    What exactly does the CTA do, then?

  • Robert Brunton

    This discussion demonstrates some of the basic problems with our healthcare and pension issues and those are and the solutions are

    1. Health care has become become to political – Solutions – We cannot solve healthcare without the delinking of employment and healthcare and the different ways it is taxed. It should not matter whether you work for a large company, small or self employed, union or not unionized. If an individual pays for it they care more about its price and what services you get for the price. Its good to be able to buy either individual or group policies but whatever they should be taxed the same. The cost if borne by the employer should be taxable to the employee and part of your total compensation. Example – If healtcare costs go up 10% and you are not getting a pay raise then your other income or gross pay needs to go down. This method will encourage all of us to try to reduce healthcare costs and at the same time improve healthcare services Unless we as a country are all in this together we will continue to have growing friction.

  • Jon Simon

    Marty,

    Unions fight for fair treatment. Teachers have to gear up for strikes every year or two, battling over every inch, an exhausting, painful process that impacts students through tired, angry teachers, while preventing fighting for more resources. You can thank arrogant elected officials and self-entitled anti-tax fanatics for making it so, which really means blaming the general public, all tying into misogyny over the “woman’s profession.” Teachers also deserve blame for not fighting hard enough, but that’s a whole other post.

  • http://fcnisbacon.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/parting-gifts-for-election-losers/ Marty

    That’s cool Jon. I still feel justified in putting teachers under the general labor tent. You generalize and straw man Republicans all the time, so I don’t feel bad about my comment.

  • bbox231

    How is huge salary possibly justified?

    I read the article on Washington Township Health Care District’s CEO’s salary with absolute horror. Who at Washington Hospital authorized the board of directors to pay CEO Nancy Farber a salary plus benefits of $900,000 (base play plus incentives)?

    I find this absolutely horrible. And I am sure that the directors at the hospital couldn’t care less what I think.

    We have high unemployment and higher underemployment. I am sure that a lot of those folks who are out of work are nurses and aides for hospitals.

    Could someone please explain to me, a member of the community, what Farber does to warrant that kind of salary? We have school principals who make one-tenth of that amount. How about city managers, superintendents, and even our commander in chief? They do not make even close to that amount.

    Can someone please explain to me and the reading public what she does to earn that salary — which is more than double that of the president of the United States?

    Bill Leake

    Fremont

    http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_22216137/dec-19-letters-editor?IADID=Search-www.insidebayarea.com-www.insidebayarea.com

  • bbox231

    At one end of the organizational structure people lose jobs and are sent packing. At the other end of the organizational structure, a “bonus” (you know – that incentive you get for exceeding your goals) is “postponed” . . . . . as in “delayed” . . . as in, “someday – you’ll get it”.

    But, for now, maybe, the headlines wouldn’t be received by the court of public opinion in a particularly positive light. You know, just as we are lopping off the proverbial heads of 200 employees.

    Under what circumsances would a CEO be considered even ELIGIBLE for an “incentive bonus” when the organization is *forced* into downsizing????

    Good thing we just passed that Measure Z initiative – - I was worried we were running out of space and capacity and stuff . . . .

    http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_22451746/nurses-medical-director-among-jobs-cut-at-washington?source=most_emailed

  • charlie C

    “Millions of people will be watching the games” at the new stadium… “People who have never heard of Santa Clara will know” the city.
    Meanwhile in Fremont there is no there here. As you know thousands of jobs with really good salaries have been driven out of Fremont by the demonize a developer crowd. Read it and weep… “800 (well paying) construction workers jobs” right down the road in Santa Clara folks! Salaries would have most certainly gone up for many here in Fremont if the stadium deal had not been killed. Many thanks to Vinnie Bacon who claims professional sports franchises are a raw deal saving Fremont from becoming a tourist destination and a special thanks to the demonize a developer crowd who saved us form a certain economic bonanza!

    http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfootball/ci_22454739/santa-clara-new-home-super-bowl-bound-49ers

  • bbox231

    “ProLogis the company that owns the land on which the A’s have proposed building a new ballpark and housing and retail complex announced today that they oppose the A’s plan.

    The real estate trust, which owns the adjacent Pacific Commons Shopping Center, has determined that putting a stadium so close center would harm the stores there.”

    http://www.ibabuzz.com/tricitybeat/2008/12/09/serious-blow-to-oakland-as-ballpark-village-plan-in-fremont/

  • West44

    And the stupidity goes on !!!!!!!

  • bbox231

    “Leading that opposition were officials from New United Motor Manufacturing Inc., who said ballpark traffic would hinder Nummi’s trucking fleet on nearby Interstates 880 and 680.”

    http://www.sfgate.com/athletics/article/Fremont-s-new-pitch-A-s-stadium-at-Nummi-site-3204824.php

  • charlie C

    “harm the stores there.” “Leading that opposition were officials from (RIP) New United Motor Manufacturing Inc.” your starting to sound like you ODed on Bacon!
    Boxie you know the stadium would have brought about 40,000 people into Fremont every time a game or event was being held there… I’m afraid the there that could have been here has been forever chased out of town by the *demonize a developer* crowd. I hope you and Vinnie really enjoy your tapioca and yougat down at the Block before it is demolished sometime in the next 15 to 20 years!

  • Bbox23

    Maybe we can get a discount if We hire the same folks that tear down Candlestick and O.co. MWAHAHAHAHA!!!

    RIP NUMMI. Go Tesla!! (Who undoubtedly had the same concern but which the Fed “resolved” before the deal was struck – see Lews very much to the point announcement on the coat tails of the Tesla deal)

    Your very lame attempts to build a convincing argument based on annecdote NEVER seem to pass any test of reason Charles. Why us that?