Indians outnumber Chinese in Fremont
By Matt Artz
Wednesday, May 11th, 2011 at 9:56 pm in Uncategorized.
Here’s the 2010 Census results:
Indians – 38,711 – 18.1 percent of Fremont’s population
Chinese –38,118 — 17.8 percent of Fremont’s population
Here is the breakdown from the 2000 Census
Chinese – 29,240 — 14.4 percent of Fremont’s population
Indian — 20,742 — 10.2 percent of Fremont’s population
Than means Fremont’s Indian population has nearly doubled in the last 10 years. It also means that Fremont has the second most Indo-Americans in the state after San Jose and the second highest percentage of Indo-Americans after Cupertino.
And it means that Joel is the winner of the contest. Let me know if you want the mug or a treat by emailing me at martz@bayareanewsgroup.com
Here are more stats from the Census Bureau followed by a couple of spreadsheets we put together:
Fremont
Total pop: 214,089
One Race: 201, 505
White: 70,505 — 32.8 percent
Black: 7,103 — 3.3 percent
Asian: 108,332 — 50.6 percent
Indian: 38,711 — 18.1 percent
Chinese: 38,118 — 17.8 percent
Filipino: 14,285 — 6.7 percent
White and Asian: 5,626 –2.6 percent
Race alone or in comination of some othe race
White: 80,195 — 37.5 percent
Asian: 116,755 — 54.5 percent
Hispanic or Latino: 31,698 14.8 percent
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May 12th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Census data for the state as a whole:
The number of people ages 55 to 64 in the state shot up from 2.6 million to 4 million in the past decade, and the group now constitutes 10.8 percent of the state’s population.
That’s a lot of boomers voting to suck the proceeding generations dry.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:20 am
If the Chinese are split out from the total Asian count, are the Pakistani or Afgan people slit out from the Indians? How does that work?
May 12th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Thanks to Silicon valley and the H-1B visa..
May 12th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
“Edison City 2″ in the making.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
This was obvious in that the Chinese restaurants are being replaced by Indian places. Which is sad as I can’t eat Indian food.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
One Race: 201,505
Voluntary ethnic segregation?
May 13th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
For a country where ethnicity is not suppose to matter there sure is alot of emphasis on what ethnicity each citizen is.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:48 am
Drew #4, I presume yours is not a racist remark similar to a few others on this thread. Eidson is indeed a growing city and has been labeled as one of the best places to live in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison,_New_Jersey
Fremont is blessed to have a ethnic population who hold good jobs, pay into the tax system regularly, do not draw on welfare but instead pay into it and have become a force. Turn on CNN and the person most sought after for his views on World Affairs is Fareed Zakaria, a Indian Muslim. The person modst sought after for medical advice on CNN is Dr. Sanjay Gupta of Indian descent. The two notable CEO’s of Indian descent who have been brought in to pull their companies out of the mess; Vijay Pandit CEO of Citibank and Indra Nooyi CEO of Pepsico. One of the founders of Sun Microsystems and the person who was responsible for the Pentium chip wee also Indo Americans. And according to the CIA, China and India will overtake the US economy by 2022. wonder why the British still consider India as a crown jewel?
So like it or not, the cream of the ethnic crop are already here in Fremont. Yes indeed, Fremont is blessed to have a sizable ethnic population who are also integrating intro this society at a pretty significant rate.
May 17th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
#8 CR… Please stop crying racist! For many reasons Fremont has become a city in ruins. Do you even have a clue? I would advise you to stop complaining and rise up and try to do what is best for ALL of the people.
May 17th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
So like it or not, the cream of the ethnic crop are already here in Fremont.
What does this mean, Chinmoy? This statement has serious racial overtones. As someone apparently sensitive to such things, I was hoping you could clarify.
May 17th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Marty, my phrase “the cream of the ethnic crop” has no racial overtones if you read it along with the phrase that I also used which is “Fremont is blessed.”
The Indians and Chinese in Fremont that ARGUS is talking about are the ones who are professionals such as doctors, engineers and high tech professionals (software engineers, professors, management graduates etc.) They were educated in their countries of birth and then came here. They did not take anything from here such as scholarships, education grants etc. instead after they came here they it their all such as paying taxes etc. in return for rewards such as the wealth they made. If they were not professionals, then the immigration laws would not have allowed them in. You need to watch the 20 minute clip that CBS 60 minutes did on IIT engineering graduates, yours truly’s Alma Mater. And your’s truly is one of many such folks here in Silicon valley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJuSL96MIkU
Furthermore, Dr Eapen is a Dr. from a very top notch medical college in India. Have I tooted my horn enough?
Hope it answers your question.
May 18th, 2011 at 6:10 am
Chinmoy, I think if you are going to be so quick to accuse people of racism based on a few words, you should be more careful with the language you use.
May 18th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Chinmoy,
By adding the phrase, “Fremont is blessed” to your “cream of the ethnic crop” statement does not make it any less offensive. You’re merely stating your opinion that the city is lucky to have so many of an ethnic group which you view as superior.
The fact that someone is a professional who pays taxes does not automatically grant them elevated status in my book. Great, so you went to college and have a job and pay your taxes. I’m sure, however, that the wives and daughters of these Indian engineers and doctors are very, very glad they came to the U.S. as women are not exactly viewed as “the cream of the crop” in India. But, how a society treats their women clearly does not affect whether a group is viewed as superior by someone such as yourself.
May 18th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
I think you need to distinguish between “a race” and “a class.” In being part of a race, you are what you are born into. In a class such as a class of graduates or those who are professionals, it is due to taking education seriously. doing your homework and getting/earning “that piece of paper” the we as a society value. You need to go ask employers why they would want to hire one with a college degree over one that does not have one. And it is the US immigrations which are framed in a way that discriminates on who comes in based on how much that person has the potential to contribute to t hat society. And the US indeed does have that right to say who they what in. And they take those not from the bottom of the class but those from the top. A PhD has an easier chance that say one with a Masters’ degree than one with a Bachelor’s degree and so on.
So given this I wonder what causes Charlie to say that Fremont has become a city of ruins. I would agree that it has become a city of ruins because of folks who hold views similar to his.
And Jen you seem to have a “gender” hangover. In this class of immigrants, there are women also. While Anu I know is not a PhD, she is a professional Architect and her husband (oops Spouse, political correctness) is also an engineer and both have come in based on their professional credentials. And, as is common in India (home of Mrs. Indira Gandhi), women play a very big and equal role as men. We just finished special elections in India last week and in both the states, two women were voted to head the state Govts. Lease educate yourself on “Ardhanarishvara” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardhanarishvara). Indian have worshipped the concept of “equality of the sexes” since ages. And that is why you will not hear any male person yell out to a woman politician to go “wash clothes and do dishes” like we heard men do during “Hillary’s campaign.” who was it that said that America practices one thing but preaches something else to the world.
So Jen you have one right here in this city. Ever wondered why many Indo Americans take pride in a woman from their kind being a City Councillor and a greater pride in having her husband stand behind her and support her. Yes indeed the British and Indians thinks alike in this arena.
May 18th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Yes, Chinmoy. In native India the “cream of the crop” have servants, then have the nerve to lecture American society on subjugation, racial or otherwise.
May 19th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Marty, you continue to harp on class. I am talking about race. Moving from one class to another is what we have within our control. But we cannot change the situation if we are born into a race.
Regarding having servants in India, it is nothing different than hiring someone to do your personal work and paying them for it, whether in kind or in cash. There are servants in India who come from poor villages, are provided food and shelter when they work for someone in a city. These servants want to live in a city and hence they voluntarily accept to come and serve as s personal servant. Nobody forces them to do so. The servants have unions and have labor rights etc. etc. You would do your self a favor and form your opinions by actually experiencing it for yourself in addition to just seeing some sensational documentaries on TV.
Besides, I have not heard of India lecturing other countries like the US does to the rest of the world. The US even physically removed a sovereign head of state, had him executed and it did so all in the name of “spreading democracy in Iraq.” I haven’t seen India or for that matter China do that.
And by the way, I do not want to speak for the Chinese since I am not as conversant with their situation as I am with the Indian situation. But I have no reason to believe their situation is no different from that of India.
I also do not want to indulge in bashing other communities. They have some excellent traits that the Indian and Chinese communities look upto. But certainly comments like “Fremont is ruined” (because of the demographic tilt towards ethnicity, implied) is unwelcome and should have no place in this city.
And Marty, it is good that you ventured into a discussion in this area. There needs to be a dialog like we are having here similar to the “race dialog” that our President initiated during his Presidential campaign.
May 19th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Chinmoy, that dialogue is quickly hampered when it’s participants use the word “racist” so easily, as you had done in post #8.
May 19th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Chinmoy,
No, no gender bias here. Just a dislike of hypocrisy. I would be hunted down if I stated that I was “proud” of a white person for being elected to a public office.
You give the unfortunate (and sadly, most likely correct) impression that immigrant voters vote for people from their own ethnic background solely because they are of the same ethnicity.
And Chinmoy, one other thing, you state – “we just finished having elections…”. No “WE” didn’t – the people in India did. Clearly, you are not truly understanding of the feelings many of the residents of Fremont, as you still view yourself as a resident of India. And this is the attitude which is ruining Fremont and other cities around the country. Just because you came here with an education, unlike many of the immigrants who arrived in the 19th and 20th centuries, does not give you look down your nose at those without an H1B.
However, the US might not have to worry too much about millions of Indians immigrating to the US after graduation from IIT:
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/india-graduates-millions-too-few-are-fit-hire
May 19th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Marty, how do you explain the comment “Fremont has become a city in ruins”. Why so. Is it because there is an increase in the ethnic population. You think there are no racial bigots in Fremont?
You are troubled by the use of the term “the cream of the crop”? Then wait till you hear similar phrases like “students from the top of the class” or “high achievers”? Oh you mean there are high achievers and low achievers?
May 19th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Jen,
You know as well as I do why you would be hunted down if you said you were proud of a white person being elected to office. It is very unfortunate but none the same true. You think you would not get the same response if you went on the streets of Iraq and announced that you are proud to be an American?
The article you posted is a good one. It just goes to prove my point. You wonder where are all the graduates from Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) and Indian Institute of Management (IIM). A significant number of them are here in the US. Are you aware that at one point the President of United Airlines and the President of US Airways were graduates from these institutions? They qualified for jobs here. And you think they would not qualify for jobs that the article talks about?
And lastly, this world has seen a transformational change with the ushering in of globalization. Many of us have started to think like world citizens. No longer can we afford to think with the narrow confines of a city, state or country. News about an event/incident in Beijing travels to us with the same speed as events in DC thereby making us feel that Beijing is right next door. In fact, I learnt of the killing of Osama from a friend of mine who called me from India just before our President’s live address to the nation informing us about that. To me the use of the word “we” connotes “community”, the use of “I” connotes “individual”.
May 19th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Chinmoy,
Stating that I’m proud to be an American on the streets of a country where we have been at war for nearly 10 years is a far, far different thing than expressing pride or joy at the fact that someone of my heritage has been elected to a position within government here in the US. It seems like you’re stating that streets of Fremont are as hostile to a person of my WASPy heritage as the streets of Baghdad would be. See the aforementioned post regarding Fremont being “ruined”.
You missed the point of the article. IIT graduates are a dime a dozen these days and due to the educational emphasis at these institutions, they lack the “soft skills” which many companies are looking for in addition to the quantitative “hard skills” that are clearly no problem.
Yes, and Bill Gates dropped out of college and started Microsoft, there are anomalies everywhere.
And I’m sorry, most of us have not begun to think like “world citizens”, even if we interact daily with people 10 time zones away. Although, it was a very PC excuse/defense of “we just elected…”
You come off as an unapologetic elitist who is using globalization as a rationale for your superciliousness.
May 19th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Chinmoy, what explanation would you give for the reputation India has for killing its female babies? While infanticide is illegal in India, the practice continues. Per UNICEF, up to 50 million girls and women are missing in India’s population as a result of systematic sex discrimination.
May 19th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Chinmoy, you should listen to Obama’s messages on race instead of trying ramrod your biases through some emulation of him you’ve built for yourself.
And, I agree with Jen. You view yourself an Indian living in America. I think it’s unfortunate, because such attitude is prevalent and primary among the reasons Fremont is so racially segregated. More unfortunate is that Fremont’s reality foreshadows most American cities in the near future.
May 19th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Jen:
Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison etc. are known to have zero tolerance for non performers. They say so very clearly and in a very “hard way” directly to their non-performing employees. They have even used profanity while doing so. You think they would have been that successful and made all their employees successful if they spent even half their time in trying to figure out how to be PC and try to sugar coat their words? Come on, we are talking hard performance here. There is no room for “softness.” We do not want to be a nation of wimps, do we? Let us learn to take it on the chin if we fail. Let us go out there and take the hard knocks as long as we can remain on top.
You and I can debate all day. But the situation on the ground is that India and China are booming. If they were that bad, as the author of the Yale piece tells us, the CIA would not have produced a report to say that China and India will surpass the US in 2022. And this one from the IMF says it will happen in 2016. (http://in.finance.yahoo.com/news/China-economy-set-surpass-US-ani-2100187560.html?x=0)
Now look at Eyesbright #22. You think that post is even worth a response? Particularly, when it says and I quote “Per UNICEF, upto to 50 million girls and women are missing in India’s population….”. I thought statements like “Elephants and other animals roam the streets of Indian cities” as ridiculous. This statement from Eyesbright even beats that.
You may view me as an “unapologetic elitist”, but I don’t think I owe an apology for the use of the term “we just had elections”. Particularly to those in this country who observe St. Patrick’s Day, the patron saint of Ireland (not of the US) etc. They ought to do so and not forget their roots.
Fortunately for Fremont and this country, there are fewer people who tend to view things the way you, Marty, Eyesbright etc. do. Most of the people I met have demonstrated unreserved preference for multiculturalism. They unquestionably recognize that it is multiculturalism that is one of this country’s strongest asset.
And I am going to rest this issue here.
May 19th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Marty, your statement:
“You view yourself an Indian living in America. I think it’s unfortunate, because such attitude is prevalent and primary among the reasons Fremont is so racially segregated.”
is ridiculous. You do not even know me, my acquaintances etc. For if you did, I know you would retract that. anyway, I am not asking that you retract. Instead, all I say is that make such statement after knowing the facts. It is actually such uninformed opinions, another name for bias, that is the primary reason that racial segregation still exists in Fremont.
May 19th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Chinmoy,
Consider that Steve Jobs doesn’t hire code monkeys to design his products. That’s partly what Jen meant by “soft skills”. Other soft skills include interaction with others absent of a chip on one’s shoulder.
I’m betting I would have a modified opinion of you if I were to know you better. I sure wish you’d afford the same considerations to those you referred to as “racist” earlier in this thread.
Also, I’d like to clarify that my information regarding Indian servants was not from a documentary. It was from my childhood neighbors who immigrated from India. They sent money home to their parents, some of which was used to pay who they proudly referred to as “servants”. Corollary to this, the neighbors’ marriage was arranged.
May 19th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Marty, I don’t know how you can read Jen’s mind. If you consider that Jobs uses “soft skills”, that people at Intel patronize soft skills, then the debate on this should end here. But before I do, here is an extract from Adam Lashinsky’s article in FORTUNE on Apple:
“….The company may seem “like a tech version of Wonka’s factory” to outsiders, but it also has a “ruthless corporate culture.” When Apple’s MobileMe email system launched to poor reviews in 2008, Jobs tore into the team responsible for its development. He asked if anyone could tell him what MobileMe was supposed to do and, after getting an answer, asked “So why the f— doesn’t it do that?” It got worse from there. “You’ve tarnished Apple’s reputation,” Jobs reportedly said. “You should hate each other for having let each other down.” He then immediately named a new executive to run the group. It’s clear that “Jobs is not someone you want to disappoint,” says the Daily Mail…….”
Steve Jobs,soft skill and chip on the shoulder, eh?
And you formed an opinion on India based on your neighbor!!!! As I suggested earlier, you need to go and live there and meet other people besides just your neighbor.
Let me know when you meet someone who can squeeze water out of a stone.
May 19th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Chinmoy, I read the Fortune article when printed last week, no need to quote.
Again, how many code monkeys from an Indian cubicle farm are designing Apple products?
May 19th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
And Marty, after reading that article you still think Jobs does not have a chip on his shoulder and has good soft skills!!!.
With regards to Apple there are many “code monkeys” in China who are associated with Apple products. And with regards to Google, of the 4 direct reports to Google CEO, there are 3 “code monkeys” who are Indians.
Since you read stuff, you surely know about Americans who say “Proud to be an Irish.” Does that trouble you? People have stickers on their cars that say it. I presume these days “Born in Hawaii” is not acceptable to some. Are you one of them?
May 20th, 2011 at 6:28 am
And with regards to Google, of the 4 direct reports to Google CEO, there are 3 “code monkeys” who are Indians.
No, Chinmoy, they are Americans.
You don’t get it. Your “pride” has clearly evolved into racism.
May 20th, 2011 at 7:58 am
These guys at Google were born in India, got their education in India. One of them that I know is not even a naturalized citizen. He holds his Indian passport. Even in Apple, the head of heir product division in a British citizen, who lives and works in the US.
You know what. You need to first tell yourself and your Republican colleagues to first accept our President as an American. Just because he is of a different color, does not make him a non-American. These Republicans, the racist ones, have pissed off their own countrymen, the Hawaiians. How more ridiculouscan it get.
If these Google folks were Americans, then are you saying they are elligible to run for the highest office in this land? They are similar to Arnold, Americans in name only (AINO).
Talking to you and Jen on this issue is like McCain talking to his Republican colleagues about “torture”. You just have to be there and see that like McCain has. YOu are not an immigrant and so you would not know what the issues are, how immigrants think and form their opiniions based on their personal experiences.
And, by the way, are you deliberately trying to elude answering my question which is if bumper stickers which say “Proud to be Irish” bother you. If not, why not? Pardon me for using a Republican phrase: “Man up Marty and answer my question.”
May 20th, 2011 at 8:34 am
Chinmoy, Your partisan worldview is irrelevant to this particular conversation.
You still don’t get it. In this thread you’ve gone from expressing your pride India to arguing their dominance. I can’t think of any other word for that but racism.
May 20th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Marty didn’t read my mind, but he didn’t do a bad job of interpreting what I meant by “soft skills”. The term “soft skills” does not mean, be a namby pamby Dr. Feelgood who doesn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. No, soft skills mean that you know when and with whom to chat it up (and yes, Eric Schmidt and Steve Jobs schmooze. I’ve met both of them and watched them in action), when to be a tyrant and when to be Machiavellian. It’s also known as “emotional intelligence”. In this case “soft” means qualitative and not quantitative. There is no exam which can measure your people skills.
How did birthers get wrapped up in this? Just because one leans right doesn’t meant that we are lined up waiting for Donald Trump to produce Obama’s original birth certificate.
I think the difference in views here is that modern immigrants (by and large) come to the U.S. for economic freedom, not for social freedom or religious freedom. It’s about money and lifestyle. That is why they do not give up their citizenship in other countries – no reason to. There is no reason to become an American these days. And for the record, that is how I think of myself. I am of Anglo Saxon descent but do not think of myself as “Proud to be English/Irish/Scottish”. I’m an American.
Oh, and I interviewed to work for Jonathan Ive a few years back – he’s a nice guy. Good soft skills.
May 20th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Marty, you still haven’t answered my question. And if you don’t but insist on bringing up newer issues, then this conversation ends. If you should see a bumper sticker which says “Proud to be an Indian”, please let me know.
And here is a further thought I will leave you with. The American First lady still calls herself as “the daughter of slaves.” And her husband considers her as such also. Does that concern you?
May 20th, 2011 at 11:18 am
I have the flag of my grandfather’s origin on my bike, and would expect others to express their pride however the wish.
Your second statement is directed at the straw man you’ve invented for your political adversaries. I’ll let him answer that question for you.
May 20th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
That is better. so now you understand what recent immigrants mean when they say “we”. Your comment reminds me of a ex colleague of mine, who asked to be invited to my swearing in ceremony for US citizenship. He is of German descent and it was not very difficult for me to see his face go red from time to time during the ceremony. I aske im why that was happening to him. And he told me something that I will never forget. “He said he wanted to attend the ceremony out of respect for his grandparents who had immigrated from Germant when they were in their middle twenties. Besides is grandparents, he did not have any friends who he could watch being naturalized like his grandparents. And he also said that right thill they died, his grandparents extolled Germany, but they always said “America was better.” so my friend, you need to be a John McCain to have that courage to stand up to your own colleagues and say that “torture is wrong.”
Now it is also sad that people like Jen feel that she would be hunted down if she expressed her pride at a white person being elected. It is trus and history takes a long time to get erased. But we can hasten it by being on the lookout and moving swiftly against those who express opinions similar to “Fremont is being ruined”. so I am not contesting Jen’s claim that there is a prejudice against Whites. Let us work to get rid of all these prejudices and let us ensure that those folks who harbor such ill thoughts based on race (including aginst the White race) have absolutely no place in Fremont.
And thank you for such a spirited and frank discussion that many prefer not to venture into.
May 20th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Nice story. Do you say “we” when referring to the Greeks?
May 20th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
I believe that the strong feelings Chinmoy expresses are those of first generation. The second and third generation identify themselves as “typical Americans.”
May 20th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Marty, when in India, I tell my friends “We Americans in the US do it….” When in the US, I say “We Indians in Indian…” It is all contextual. That is what true globalization is, I think. You may disagree.
We are first generation Americans and consider ourselves having two homelands which are equally dear to us. It is similar to having two parents who we love equally. when I see stickers like “Proud to be Irish”, I take joy because I see that as diversity.
May 23rd, 2011 at 10:45 pm
For those who subscribe to the opinion that immigrants “ruin a city like Fremont”, this is a must read:
http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_18124146?nclick_check=1
May 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Why do you even make, such a statemnt. It sounds like you are getting defensive, why?
Are you stirring the pot of racism?
May 24th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
The poor, the tired and the huddled masses have been coming to these shores for hundreds of years and we all have benefited. Adopting the mores of this country will serve you better than whining on about phoney racism. Most of us want you to continue to contribute, succeed and assimilate. The Fremont Citizens Network has done more to “ruin a city like Fremont” and we should all unite and stop and try once and for all to exterminate this anti development crowd!
May 24th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
I propose that we make Charlie C’s posts an official TCB drinking game, starting with any off-topic mention of FCN.
May 24th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Yes, but this part was brilliant.
The poor, the tired and the huddled masses have been coming to these shores for hundreds of years and we all have benefited. Adopting the mores of this country will serve you better than whining on about phoney racism. Most of us want you to continue to contribute, succeed and assimilate.
So Charlie gets a pass.
May 25th, 2011 at 8:27 am
Marty, what is “adopting the mores of this country” mean. Does it mean that our President should not go in search of his family roots in Ireland? Does it mean that the Irish should not celebrate St. Patrick’s day here. Does it mean that Latinos and Mexicans not observe and celebrate Cinco De Mayo? What does this remark mean except that it is just a veiled cry of racism? Is it OK for them to do so but not OK for Indian and Chinese immigrants to remain attached to their roots?
Notice how confused and convoluted this thought process is when FCN is being mentioned as part of this discussion. What has FCN got to do with this discussion? Isn’t Vinnie a big supporter of this group? Is he Indian or Chinese? One thing I know about him and others like him who support FCN is that they are sensible and “enlightened folks.” And why not. After all they are Democrats
I cannot fault Charlie for being a racial bigot and holding onto such racist views. This is America and he is free to remain ignorant. But to make public comments like this which is based on ignorance is something that needs to be thought out seriously. But if it is the ignorance that prevents folks like Charlie from a logical thought process, then that is understandable too and can be tolerated.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:55 am
The phrase “adopt the mores” is now racist. I stopped reading there.
You are a joke, Chinmoy.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:57 am
It is a racist comment indeed. Readers here are not idiots as you may think. It is racist because of the two words that you deliberately omit. THere is no such thing as “this country” and “that country” in this discussion. These immigrants are Americans too. This is their country. There is no ” mores of this country” and “mores of that country”. If you feel mentally challenged to discuss this issue, then you need to divert your attention elsewhere. That is after you convince yourself that our President is also an American and is not “not one of us” just because his skin is not white and eyes are not blue.
May 25th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Sigh.
Another Clintonesque justification/distortion of what was written.
You’re as proud to from India as David Duke is to be from the south.
May 25th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
By the way, “Charlie”, “West”, and “Eyesbright” are all Democrats, the latter of the two fierce FCN supporters.
You are all alone on this Chinmoy.
Quite the rope you hung yourself on.
May 25th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
….c’mon people now…
smile on your brother,
everybody get together…
try to love one another right now…
May 25th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Chimmoy Roy you are waisting your time when it comes to the two stooges “Marty” “Charlie” These two clowns can’t see past the smoke of there bongs. They are master baiters and will suck you in like a Dyson vacume. HAHA
May 25th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
So Worble who would be your choice stooge #3? Would it be Joe, Curly Joe, Vinnie Bacon or Kathy (Choo Choo) McDonald? We all know it’s a requirement that before you becoming an FCN member you must first be a certifiable stooge.
So I say….c’mon people now…
assimilate my brothers,
everybody adopt this countries mores…
try to love one another right now…
By the way DanO… you got extended till October 21st until the little green men come to take you home!
May 25th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Last year, Indian cricket player, Harbhajan Singh was punished with a ban after calling Australian black all-rounder, Andrew Symonds a “monkey.”
WHAT SAY you Chinmoy ???
May 25th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
wow! so many inaccuracies in this blog. First of all not all indians are from IIt and CEO types
. The indians living in fremont (other than the exclusive mission ones) are mostly fob types and live segregated. Indians in peninsula, sf are much more sophisticated types with higher pays. Fremont as a city is looked down upon by these peninsula types same as the exclusive palo alto white people who think low of their own types living in fremont
Indians in india do kill girl babies, torture wives etc much more than average Americans. Thats a fact. America is the best free country in the world period. I say this as a first generation indian living in fremont.
Having said that India is a great country (much much better than mid east crazies) and improving day by day. Increasingly more Indians in India look for inspiration from America and think positively about the country. In fact George Bush is more popular in India than in America.
May 26th, 2011 at 6:04 am
Charlie, you continue to speak non sense. How old are you? You speak like a kid. “My marbles and your marbles.” I am not talking about that. I am talking about racism. It does not matter who says what. It is what is being said. If you think you are justified in stirring up racism just because others are, then that is not what I am here to debate. Your line is that of a second grader and that is why Ii wonder if you are old enough to understand the issue.
Enough of your non sense. This is the only and my last reply to you. You have no place here. You mighte as well go and live with Harbhajan Singh, whoever he may be.
May 26th, 2011 at 8:21 am
#53:
Ahhh, that’s sweet.
By little green men, you mean the Oakland A’s?
May 26th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Oops…
I meant #52
I am sorry lil’ buddy, it might be too soon for A’s humor
May 26th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Chinmoy #55, I think I can speak for many when I say I am glad this is your last reply.
In this thread, you have lobbed the word racism into the debate with no reprehension. Devolved your pride in your homeland into arguing it’s world dominance. You have stated your unequivocal loyalty to India, and instead of standing up for that idea you fabricate some pseudo-intellectual concept of what the word “we” means to you.
You pity Jen for the reality of a racial double standard, then spend the next half dozen posts proving her theory right with your own petty quips and manufactured racial charges.
When cornered, you attempt to frame the issue as a partisan one, where you stand on the side of righteousness, and everyone else is a “Birther”. When the reality sets in that the majority of your detractors are Democrats, you revert to straw manning Charlie.
You cant win on your own volition because you are simply wrong.
So, good riddance my friend. Spend some time reflecting on the fact that you have no moral code.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
#55…The scurrilous accusations of Chinmoy Roy are sadly comical. Unfortunately CRoy has no sense of humor. He’s never going enjoy the good laugh (nyuck, nyuck, nyuck) we’ve been having at his expense. When Chinmoy calls people he disagrees with the R-word he is simply trying to cut off debate. Glad to hear CR has called it quits…now let’s play ball!
May 26th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
No BALLPARK IN FREMONT HA HA HA
May 26th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
No BALLPARK IN FREMONT yet nyuck, nyuck, nyuck
May 27th, 2011 at 7:09 am
Whoa Charlie tuna fish on. See Chinmoy Roy it’s easy all you need is the right bait and one of the two stooges will bite.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Yo Worble…Off brand velveeta usually snags the FCNers! Now that I’ve hooked you don’t forget to have your “Certifiable Stooge Certificate” renewed at the next Fremont Citizen Network meeting. This week topic of discussion will be”Getting your way through phoney outrage” to be delivered by either Curly Joe, Vinnie or Kathy, ruff-ruff-ruff. I think they will be meeting at the site of the future TOXIC RAILROAD YARD?