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	<title>Comments on: So Long, Adonal</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2007/08/14/so-long-adonal/comment-page-1/#comment-9457</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcus, your second post especially summed up the issue nicely.  Personally, I long ago discarded the notion that athletes should be role models for anyone.  The very nature of their profession demands that they focus an inordinate amount of attention on themselves - I mean, name 10 well-rounded truly top level athletes.  However, I have more respect for Adonal than for any other Warrior because he is so different.  I only wish his basketball skills were on a par with his outside life. This is a good move for both sides, and as you say it&#039;s because he&#039;s in the wrong place at the wrong time.  I wish him great success in Orlando and I&#039;ll miss him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus, your second post especially summed up the issue nicely.  Personally, I long ago discarded the notion that athletes should be role models for anyone.  The very nature of their profession demands that they focus an inordinate amount of attention on themselves &#8211; I mean, name 10 well-rounded truly top level athletes.  However, I have more respect for Adonal than for any other Warrior because he is so different.  I only wish his basketball skills were on a par with his outside life. This is a good move for both sides, and as you say it&#8217;s because he&#8217;s in the wrong place at the wrong time.  I wish him great success in Orlando and I&#8217;ll miss him.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a question on what basketball skills Adonal lacked.  The praise he&#039;s receiving is more for the type individual he is off the court.  For that, he&#039;s been recognized by the truest of Warrior fans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a question on what basketball skills Adonal lacked.  The praise he&#8217;s receiving is more for the type individual he is off the court.  For that, he&#8217;s been recognized by the truest of Warrior fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 03:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m kind of amazed at all the praise Adonal Foyle has gotten.  Where have you guys been all these years?  Most of the time, I hear how badly he plays--how bad his hands are, how he lacks any sort of offensive moves whatsoever, how he doesn&#039;t run the floor very well, how he doesn&#039;t box out very well, etc.  Would I take Erick Dampier over Foyle?  No, but that doesn&#039;t really say much either.  Was it Foyle&#039;s fault he got a huge contract?  No, not necessarily, but one could point out that he could have taken less money from the Warriors.  He was the third highest paid player last year.

Foyle is a decent player who was overpaid.  I think his character and actions off the court helped downplay the expectations people had of him with his contract, or at least those few who knew of his off the court activities.  But again, people care more for the flash and winning which didn&#039;t occur with Foyle.  And in a business setting--which professional sports is basically--he had to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kind of amazed at all the praise Adonal Foyle has gotten.  Where have you guys been all these years?  Most of the time, I hear how badly he plays&#8211;how bad his hands are, how he lacks any sort of offensive moves whatsoever, how he doesn&#8217;t run the floor very well, how he doesn&#8217;t box out very well, etc.  Would I take Erick Dampier over Foyle?  No, but that doesn&#8217;t really say much either.  Was it Foyle&#8217;s fault he got a huge contract?  No, not necessarily, but one could point out that he could have taken less money from the Warriors.  He was the third highest paid player last year.</p>
<p>Foyle is a decent player who was overpaid.  I think his character and actions off the court helped downplay the expectations people had of him with his contract, or at least those few who knew of his off the court activities.  But again, people care more for the flash and winning which didn&#8217;t occur with Foyle.  And in a business setting&#8211;which professional sports is basically&#8211;he had to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Rosenblum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Rosenblum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoa dareedle -- you say, &quot;We traded in a center, two power forward, a SF and a great rebounding SG for a pair of rookies and two perimeter players,&quot; as if that&#039;s a bad thing.    You forgot to mention a few things:

1) the guys we gave up, with the exception of J-Rich, really sucked.

2) all of them, with the exception of Diogu, were grossly overpaid, hampering our ability to hold on to Baron, Monta, Andris and any other player that could actually play!

3) The guys we gave up couldn&#039;t play defense or rebound very well either, whereas Jackson is a very good defender, and Harrington is versatile, if not fantastic.  Murphy couldn&#039;t guard a barn door.  Dunleavy couldn&#039;t guard a fire hydrant.  Foyle couldn&#039;t guard anyone because he was always on the bench.  Diogu couldn&#039;t guard anybody -- and J-Rich was a great hustle guy, and a solid rebounder as you say, but hardly Ron Artest as a defender either.  As for Brandan Wright, the jury&#039;s out.  But let&#039;s give him a chance before evaluating the swap for J-Rich, who has more-or-less plateau-ed as an excellent transition player who can rebound, play so-so defense, shoots the three with a so-so percentage, can&#039;t shoot free throws very well, and can&#039;t create his own shot.

I mean, you can&#039;t get talent for nothing, but short of landing KG, I&#039;d say Mullin&#039;s moves over the course of the 06-07 season to the present have been a HUGE improvement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa dareedle &#8212; you say, &#8220;We traded in a center, two power forward, a SF and a great rebounding SG for a pair of rookies and two perimeter players,&#8221; as if that&#8217;s a bad thing.    You forgot to mention a few things:</p>
<p>1) the guys we gave up, with the exception of J-Rich, really sucked.</p>
<p>2) all of them, with the exception of Diogu, were grossly overpaid, hampering our ability to hold on to Baron, Monta, Andris and any other player that could actually play!</p>
<p>3) The guys we gave up couldn&#8217;t play defense or rebound very well either, whereas Jackson is a very good defender, and Harrington is versatile, if not fantastic.  Murphy couldn&#8217;t guard a barn door.  Dunleavy couldn&#8217;t guard a fire hydrant.  Foyle couldn&#8217;t guard anyone because he was always on the bench.  Diogu couldn&#8217;t guard anybody &#8212; and J-Rich was a great hustle guy, and a solid rebounder as you say, but hardly Ron Artest as a defender either.  As for Brandan Wright, the jury&#8217;s out.  But let&#8217;s give him a chance before evaluating the swap for J-Rich, who has more-or-less plateau-ed as an excellent transition player who can rebound, play so-so defense, shoots the three with a so-so percentage, can&#8217;t shoot free throws very well, and can&#8217;t create his own shot.</p>
<p>I mean, you can&#8217;t get talent for nothing, but short of landing KG, I&#8217;d say Mullin&#8217;s moves over the course of the 06-07 season to the present have been a HUGE improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: dareedle</title>
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		<dc:creator>dareedle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, I haven&#039;t seen so much response on this blog for any other topic.  True Warriors have witness the emergence of other franchises during our long playoff drought but unlike the Fakers Fans, we Warriors fans like a loser and we hold on hope that some day it will be different.  This is truely the end of an era ... from the lowly and overpaid Mullie Core to much higher expectations for a team that can&#039;t rebound or defend.  It&#039;s a tough call for fans, an overpaid journeyman center that is a solid citizen and supports the community or some spoiled superstar with tons of highlight film but blasts management and the franchise.  We traded in a center, two power forward, a SF and great rebounding SG for a pair of rookies and two perimeter players.  Bye bye blue collar ball and say hello to Nellie no defense or rebounding ball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I haven&#8217;t seen so much response on this blog for any other topic.  True Warriors have witness the emergence of other franchises during our long playoff drought but unlike the Fakers Fans, we Warriors fans like a loser and we hold on hope that some day it will be different.  This is truely the end of an era &#8230; from the lowly and overpaid Mullie Core to much higher expectations for a team that can&#8217;t rebound or defend.  It&#8217;s a tough call for fans, an overpaid journeyman center that is a solid citizen and supports the community or some spoiled superstar with tons of highlight film but blasts management and the franchise.  We traded in a center, two power forward, a SF and great rebounding SG for a pair of rookies and two perimeter players.  Bye bye blue collar ball and say hello to Nellie no defense or rebounding ball.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe of SSF</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2007/08/14/so-long-adonal/comment-page-1/#comment-9452</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe of SSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adonal&#039;s only fault was his large contract.  If he was gettig paid $1.2 million a year, people would rave about his contribution.  I don&#039;t understand these supposed fan&#039;s understanding of the game.  Adonal provided rebounding, shot-blocking and some interior toughness.  To ask him to be the next Tim Duncan is just way outta line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adonal&#8217;s only fault was his large contract.  If he was gettig paid $1.2 million a year, people would rave about his contribution.  I don&#8217;t understand these supposed fan&#8217;s understanding of the game.  Adonal provided rebounding, shot-blocking and some interior toughness.  To ask him to be the next Tim Duncan is just way outta line.</p>
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		<title>By: petaluman</title>
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		<dc:creator>petaluman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding Foyle&#039;s contract:

First, we weren&#039;t a good team then.  He was signed to be our starting center.  He started 269 games for us during his career.

Second, you would have preferred Dampier at $65 million?  I think we got the better deal - and Erick is no Nelson center, either.

It&#039;s a disservice to Adonal, lumping him with Brand and JR.  He&#039;s not a just a &quot;good guy&quot; because he stayed out of jail, or was nice to people and didn&#039;t kick dogs.  His vision and contributions go far beyond that.

I&#039;m glad he was here all those years.  I wish him the best of luck - I know he really wants to get on the court.  I hope we find a way to bring him back after he retires.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Foyle&#8217;s contract:</p>
<p>First, we weren&#8217;t a good team then.  He was signed to be our starting center.  He started 269 games for us during his career.</p>
<p>Second, you would have preferred Dampier at $65 million?  I think we got the better deal &#8211; and Erick is no Nelson center, either.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a disservice to Adonal, lumping him with Brand and JR.  He&#8217;s not a just a &#8220;good guy&#8221; because he stayed out of jail, or was nice to people and didn&#8217;t kick dogs.  His vision and contributions go far beyond that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad he was here all those years.  I wish him the best of luck &#8211; I know he really wants to get on the court.  I hope we find a way to bring him back after he retires.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gswbandwagon,

Did you expect Foyle to turn down 8mil a year from Mullin?  I doubt he was a threat to hold out if not given a multi-year deal.

Loyalty is not defined on how you negotiate your contract.  Loyalty is showing up to practice when he was getting no run in the regular season.  Loyalty is running hard for the 10 minutes total you were on the floor in the playoffs.  It&#039;s sad that you&#039;re diluted perception of loyalty is associated with dollars and cents, or in this case, millions.

We need more people like him in a league that&#039;s represented to the public by the likes of Ron Artest, Tim Donaghy, and Mark Cuban.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gswbandwagon,</p>
<p>Did you expect Foyle to turn down 8mil a year from Mullin?  I doubt he was a threat to hold out if not given a multi-year deal.</p>
<p>Loyalty is not defined on how you negotiate your contract.  Loyalty is showing up to practice when he was getting no run in the regular season.  Loyalty is running hard for the 10 minutes total you were on the floor in the playoffs.  It&#8217;s sad that you&#8217;re diluted perception of loyalty is associated with dollars and cents, or in this case, millions.</p>
<p>We need more people like him in a league that&#8217;s represented to the public by the likes of Ron Artest, Tim Donaghy, and Mark Cuban.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcus,

Appreciate all the info. and insight you provide on this blog. I&#039;m honestly a lil disappointed we won&#039;t get to see a full season of B didy, Jrich, Jackson, Harrington, and Biedrins as the starting lineup going into 2007-2008. I always felt this was the Warriors most versatile starting lineup that could go up against any team and style of play. We could play run n gun ball, have 4 legit 3 point threats on the floor at any time, and have Biedrins control the paint and always guarding the other team&#039;s best big man. Specifically, why didn&#039;t Nellie go to this starting lineup in the utah series? I know Al struggled in the dallas series (so he started barnes) and by inserting ellis in the starting linuep at times it gave the warriors another dynamic with the 3 guard look, but with the warriors getting killed on the boards throughout the series, why didn&#039;t nellie go with baron, jrich, jax, al ,and biedrins. This would allow biedrins to guard boozer and contain the boards, al (who doesn&#039;t rebeound well) on okur who mainly plays on the perimeter, and jax on ak47.I just felt the frontline matchups in that series were akward: jax guarding okur, barnes getting manhandled by boozer, and biedrins chasing ak47 around. There&#039;s no doubt boozer is a beast, but I just felt that Biedrins had the best chance to contain Boozer even at the expense of getting into foul trouble. The warriors got hot down the stretch with the 16-5 finish and it all started in the detroit game (baron&#039;s first game back) with that starting lineup. Now with jrich gone, what do you expect from the Warriors this upcoming season?  Unfortunately, they lost out on the kg sweepstakes, but do you seem them as a playoff team?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus,</p>
<p>Appreciate all the info. and insight you provide on this blog. I&#8217;m honestly a lil disappointed we won&#8217;t get to see a full season of B didy, Jrich, Jackson, Harrington, and Biedrins as the starting lineup going into 2007-2008. I always felt this was the Warriors most versatile starting lineup that could go up against any team and style of play. We could play run n gun ball, have 4 legit 3 point threats on the floor at any time, and have Biedrins control the paint and always guarding the other team&#8217;s best big man. Specifically, why didn&#8217;t Nellie go to this starting lineup in the utah series? I know Al struggled in the dallas series (so he started barnes) and by inserting ellis in the starting linuep at times it gave the warriors another dynamic with the 3 guard look, but with the warriors getting killed on the boards throughout the series, why didn&#8217;t nellie go with baron, jrich, jax, al ,and biedrins. This would allow biedrins to guard boozer and contain the boards, al (who doesn&#8217;t rebeound well) on okur who mainly plays on the perimeter, and jax on ak47.I just felt the frontline matchups in that series were akward: jax guarding okur, barnes getting manhandled by boozer, and biedrins chasing ak47 around. There&#8217;s no doubt boozer is a beast, but I just felt that Biedrins had the best chance to contain Boozer even at the expense of getting into foul trouble. The warriors got hot down the stretch with the 16-5 finish and it all started in the detroit game (baron&#8217;s first game back) with that starting lineup. Now with jrich gone, what do you expect from the Warriors this upcoming season?  Unfortunately, they lost out on the kg sweepstakes, but do you seem them as a playoff team?</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard to see a guy like Adonal Foyle leave.  I&#039;ve never met him, personally, but  from what I&#039;ve seen I sure would have liked to.  Guys like Foyle and Richardson are hard to come by in this league.  For every one of those &quot;class-guys&quot; there are about two or three knuckle heads like Artest and Sebastian Telfair.  We had two of the highest character guys in the league.  Like you alluded to, Marcus, they need to be celebrated more.  Adonal is going to walk away with $13mil from this buyout.  But I highly doubt he&#039;ll be riding in a brand new Maybach or chillin&#039; in a new luxury beach front home in the O.C. soon after.  He&#039;s been a great ambassador to the game as well as to humanity.

I do have to express my disgust in seeing two of the longest suffering tenured of the Warriors being basically dismissed from the team just when the franchise is on the verge of something great.  I guess loyalty only goes as far as the length of your contract.  And in this case, not even.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to see a guy like Adonal Foyle leave.  I&#8217;ve never met him, personally, but  from what I&#8217;ve seen I sure would have liked to.  Guys like Foyle and Richardson are hard to come by in this league.  For every one of those &#8220;class-guys&#8221; there are about two or three knuckle heads like Artest and Sebastian Telfair.  We had two of the highest character guys in the league.  Like you alluded to, Marcus, they need to be celebrated more.  Adonal is going to walk away with $13mil from this buyout.  But I highly doubt he&#8217;ll be riding in a brand new Maybach or chillin&#8217; in a new luxury beach front home in the O.C. soon after.  He&#8217;s been a great ambassador to the game as well as to humanity.</p>
<p>I do have to express my disgust in seeing two of the longest suffering tenured of the Warriors being basically dismissed from the team just when the franchise is on the verge of something great.  I guess loyalty only goes as far as the length of your contract.  And in this case, not even.</p>
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