No problem dude. Conflicts in opinion actually brings out the facts that lead to reality, for as long as both parties can handle the “truth.” I know I can.

Talking about Skills.

Leadership skills, point guard traits, court vision are not something you develop in time and experience, BUT it can be accomodated to a certain extent if the desire is there. Last time I heard, Mike Dunleavy was actually admired as a point guard. Desire.

Does Monta have the tools to become a point? Well he is already playing point and not that bad at all.

Magic, during his heydays as a Laker in a championship game also played as a center when Kareem went down with an Injury. They won the championship. Desire.

I never doubted Iverson’s hype although I’ve always believed Greatness does not need introduction. He really has that talent that goes with it. I just didnt like his attitude, but that’s something else.

Iverson had College Experience. Mentored by a very well known coach and a very respectable college in the sport of Basketball.

Monta came out of High School.. In Memphis! That’s the difference.

Iverson came as a great package because he has a great talent harnessed by his training in college.

But he never wanted to play point, which eventually led to Larry Hughes becoming a Warrior. No Desire to be a point. Period. At least no. 8 is flexible.

Monta came out of High School… In Memphis! Now, that is most surprising.

Yet the two have a great words for each other’s game.

Comparing the two doesnt necessarily mean Monta is better. But doing so indicates how fast and how far Monta has progressed. Already an Impact player.

Comparing the two Isn’t flat out wrong.

But Saying Ellis is Iverson is.(I wonder who said it).

It’s about the progress of a young player. The impact a 21 year old has generated in the league… and his role in the Warriors line up.

“Wishful Thinking,” “Doesn’t come close to touching Iverson,” and so forth.. These are opinionated but judgemental statements. I can only let time answer that.

It’s not really hard for the public to imagine What Monta will be like in two to three more years… I wonder some people find it hard though… I really wonder.

By the way, no disrespect but my utmost respect, “We” find your posts the same way. Amusing, Exhilarating and interesting.

You must be a big fan, I can tell.

Thank you very much for sharing me your post.

not to disrepect or anything, but your post is just hilarious, man. it’s like listening to elementary and middle school kids talk about basketball. i’m just assuming you are older than that or maybe not.

anyway here’s something to think about: Handle, PG skills, vision, and playmaking abilities are not something you can just develop because you want to or because you get older in age.

iverson has those coming into the league. he has the whole package. he’s a scorer but he can also be a playmaker.

comparing ellis with iverson is just flat out wrong and wishful thinking. other than scoring, ellis doesnt come close to touching iverson in other aspects. and frankly, i think ellis never will.

with davis possibly gone after next season, ellis’ weaknesses are going to be exposed. signing ellis to a long term, big money deal is asking for trouble. the same mistake w’s made with antawn jamison. ellis will not and does not have the ability to lead a team to win. much like jamison. they’re just not franchise player.

geoff, on the same token, if you put barbosa on the w’s team, do you think the w’s still be a 48 win team? i think so. that’s why anything more than 6-8mil/yr would be a huge financial mistake.

Only in his third year, and only 21 years old at that, and is already an Impact Player!

I remember his first year he was just a role player and most of what was noticed of him was just his athleticsm. Nevertheless, the impression was breathless and promising.

His Second year, or Let me put it this way, Can we honestly say We would not have made the playoffs and beat Dallas without Monta? His second year he was averaging double digits in scoring and is dictating the tempo. He developed his floater as his speed has always been his weapon.

His third year around, Just hear what his teammates have to say about the kid… The guy has become an impact player no doubt. One of our “go to” players, a fixture in the team core. Look at his stats.. and look how the team has improved this year, notably those numerous times he carried the team on his shoulder.

Barbosa couldn’t even figure out how play with Shaq and Stoudamire, his scoring is inconsistent. But he is a good player in the same breath Troy Hudson was during his prime.

Sure Barbosa is not the full time starter in the team. So What’s that got to do with Ellis?

Barbosa has been around a lot longer to know the system.. In this league, It’s never personal that one’s job is taken by another… It’s just a job. After all this years, Barbosa seems satisfied with his role.

Monta is simply unbelievable. No College experience and only 21 years of age. Its great he is sorrounded by great veterans as well.

Of course his game is not perfect.

He has his tendencies to play erratic. But so does Diddy. Tim Hardaway was also erratic on a frequent basis, yet he was very effective in a lot of areas. That’s why he is an All Star.

Does he have a shoot first and pass later mentality? Yes! He is a gunner! He has the talent to do that, and most of all, That is his role. He is licensed to do that as Nellie wants him to go for it.

He is not a point guard whose task is to get everyone involved (although he is being converted to one), Should he be compared with Nash at this point? I think its a bit awkward and unfair.

He should be compared with AI. Yet, AI and Nash themselves has great words for this kid.

How much will he improve more? Sure he will to a great extent. Soon as he learns how to create his own shot (ala Iverson), Spot the open Man, Soon as he becomes mature as leader, and as soon as he develops his treys, The guy will go far and he has the atheticsm to do that along with his tender age.

We have yet to see the best this kid can bring to the Table. I hope Barbosa finally becomes a factor for the Suns in this playoffs.

Monta is here for a long time.

– Geoff

You plug an “average” player in place of Barbosa, and I still think Phoenix is a 50-win team. You plug an “average” player in place of Monta this season, and the Warriors are back to 38-44-ville.

– Geoff

He ended up starting at SG because he’s too good to use only as a back-up PG, and as pointed out, can usually trade defensive assignments with Baron. Only time will tell if he can make the transition to the 1 spot, so hopefully we’ll have BD for at least another year.

with monta, a team will always need a big PG. if you’re lucky, you can get a guy like baron davis, jason kidd or derrick rose. if not, you get a guy like eric snow. monta limits what a team can do in terms of personnel. if you have a chris paul or devin harris on your team, you can’t put them on the court with monta.

with gay, you can pretty much pair him with your best 1,2,4 and 5. no matchup problems.

What a fun off season this will be!

ellis is from around memphis and he is an exciting player to watch. those attributes will drawn fans to the arena, which is why ellis is a draw to memphis. and memphis is one of the handful of teams that can offer max money to ellis.

do i think ellis can be a franchise player and lead his team to wins? no. but there are alot of ppl, like alot of you guys, that get enamor with “potential” and athleticism.

memphis certainly wouldnt mind trading miller and lowry. the question is whether they will part way with gay? they might or they might not depending on who they draft.

gay can be an above average defender. he has the size and the lateral quickness. i think he has more star potential then monta.