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		<title>By: montaellis</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/07/save-your-money-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-11008</link>
		<dc:creator>montaellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[josh smith is better than ur putting him out to be. best shot blocker in the league in my opinion, strong, big, 3-point shooting efficiency as a PF, unstopple on the break, authentic in the art of the vertical jump, athletic ability off the charts, great work ethic, young, 1st team all defense type player 17 pts, 9rebs, 2.8 blks and still developing. i don&#039;t know about u but i love him, and trade harrington he sucks, if not to get smith get bosh in 2010 and sign him to like 5 mil the first two years and then 50 mil a year the rest of his career cuz keep in mind the world ends in 2012:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>josh smith is better than ur putting him out to be. best shot blocker in the league in my opinion, strong, big, 3-point shooting efficiency as a PF, unstopple on the break, authentic in the art of the vertical jump, athletic ability off the charts, great work ethic, young, 1st team all defense type player 17 pts, 9rebs, 2.8 blks and still developing. i don&#8217;t know about u but i love him, and trade harrington he sucks, if not to get smith get bosh in 2010 and sign him to like 5 mil the first two years and then 50 mil a year the rest of his career cuz keep in mind the world ends in 2012:)</p>
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		<title>By: nevin420</title>
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		<dc:creator>nevin420</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EJ - You are right that Monta would be taking a huge risk if he took the qualifying offer. If he gets injured or has an off year he may stand to lose a lot of money. I&#039;m not saying that he would actually make that decision, BUT he can sure as hell use it as leverage to get the deal that he wants. If the W&#039;s consider how bad their image would be going into next season without Monta locked up longterm they may crack. Just consider how you would feel going into next season if Monta was set to become a unrestricted FA after next year. I don&#039;t doubt that this kid will stay health, continue his improvement and up his value after this season. He could conceivably average 30ppg next season. Who else is going to score for them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EJ &#8211; You are right that Monta would be taking a huge risk if he took the qualifying offer. If he gets injured or has an off year he may stand to lose a lot of money. I&#8217;m not saying that he would actually make that decision, BUT he can sure as hell use it as leverage to get the deal that he wants. If the W&#8217;s consider how bad their image would be going into next season without Monta locked up longterm they may crack. Just consider how you would feel going into next season if Monta was set to become a unrestricted FA after next year. I don&#8217;t doubt that this kid will stay health, continue his improvement and up his value after this season. He could conceivably average 30ppg next season. Who else is going to score for them?</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sixers just traded Carney and Booth to Minnesota.

HERE&#039;S TO HOPING BARON IS FEEDING THE BALL TO KAMAN AND JOSH POWELL IN THE POST NEXT YEAR!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sixers just traded Carney and Booth to Minnesota.</p>
<p>HERE&#8217;S TO HOPING BARON IS FEEDING THE BALL TO KAMAN AND JOSH POWELL IN THE POST NEXT YEAR!</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/07/save-your-money-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-11046</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blah,

Just pointing out that you were making comparisons with the &quot;Monta at the 1&quot; Warriors to the 72 wins Bulls (should never be mentioned in the same breath).

I&#039;d love to get Brand, but Kawakami says he has no interest in being a Warrior and has never shown any interest (and Kawakami blogs every hour it seems!).

I&#039;m in this Warrior nation thing with you, man!  Let&#039;s just not give up on them before they&#039;ve done anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah,</p>
<p>Just pointing out that you were making comparisons with the &#8220;Monta at the 1&#8243; Warriors to the 72 wins Bulls (should never be mentioned in the same breath).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to get Brand, but Kawakami says he has no interest in being a Warrior and has never shown any interest (and Kawakami blogs every hour it seems!).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in this Warrior nation thing with you, man!  Let&#8217;s just not give up on them before they&#8217;ve done anything.</p>
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		<title>By: dareedle</title>
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		<dc:creator>dareedle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So we lost free agent BD and gained a lot of cap space (and will have more without the Foyle contract).  Our team is dependent on BD because that is what Nellie did to milk more money from Cohan.  He is the second highest paid coach, more than B Scott and Doc and with and without our two best scorers (J-Rich and BD) someone will take the slack (hopefully no Jack and his 41% shooting).  Ellis did just fine during the month BD was a virtual no-show and if Nellie actually started playing guys (Belllinelli, Wright and Randolph) we can actual see if they can become key players.  For the Monta bashers (rememeber the finals was Rajon vs Fisher at PG position)  ... and trust me Kidd will be available real soon for an albatross of an contract.  BD is the AI of basketball ... ie a terrible running mate ... with the guardless Clips and injury prone Mobley, BD will get his shots, I have yet to see him work well with a back-court mate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we lost free agent BD and gained a lot of cap space (and will have more without the Foyle contract).  Our team is dependent on BD because that is what Nellie did to milk more money from Cohan.  He is the second highest paid coach, more than B Scott and Doc and with and without our two best scorers (J-Rich and BD) someone will take the slack (hopefully no Jack and his 41% shooting).  Ellis did just fine during the month BD was a virtual no-show and if Nellie actually started playing guys (Belllinelli, Wright and Randolph) we can actual see if they can become key players.  For the Monta bashers (rememeber the finals was Rajon vs Fisher at PG position)  &#8230; and trust me Kidd will be available real soon for an albatross of an contract.  BD is the AI of basketball &#8230; ie a terrible running mate &#8230; with the guardless Clips and injury prone Mobley, BD will get his shots, I have yet to see him work well with a back-court mate.</p>
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		<title>By: blah</title>
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		<dc:creator>blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They had Dirk and Howard?  Really? I didn&#039;t realize that.  Let me rephase then, you can only build a great team without a true point guard if you have Dirk &amp; Howard or MJ.

what this all this free agency talk about?  Do you think that someone writing in this forum is not aware of that?  Like i just stumbled upon it without reading anyting about it?  This is your problem, you writing is demeaning, as if you are the great oracle and we are here to learn from your greatness.  Listen, we all know what happened with BD, we know all about FAcy, we know who was on the bulls, mavs, and our current squad.  so keep your comments to your opinion and leave the obvious facts out.

for example: IMO the warriors would be better of to spend the money on a FA like EB than on a PG because;
1) That makes us too small,
2) We would be a much better balanced team

I&#039;m personally shocked to hear that the public and sports writers believe that EB would better on the clippers than the warriors. IMO Ellis, Jackson, Harrington, Brand, Beidrins, is a MUCH better starting 5 than we had last year because we would be bigger and better defensively and on the boards, we&#039;d be better all around.

BD was great for the 1st half of the year, but Ellis was the the man who carried us through the 2nd half of the season. EB, Jack, and Beans, would be a GREAT defensive nucleaus, with Wright coming of the bench (he should focus on becoming a defensive Lock-down player), Monta&#039;s got steals, Al&#039;s got fire power and is big for a 3.  Jack is big for a 2, and can help bring the ball up.  All of a sudden we have a dynamically different team, and i think it would be a huge leap forward from last year.

Don&#039;t save the money Marcus, the experts are right (chris mullin and company) Do everything you can to get EB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They had Dirk and Howard?  Really? I didn&#8217;t realize that.  Let me rephase then, you can only build a great team without a true point guard if you have Dirk &amp; Howard or MJ.</p>
<p>what this all this free agency talk about?  Do you think that someone writing in this forum is not aware of that?  Like i just stumbled upon it without reading anyting about it?  This is your problem, you writing is demeaning, as if you are the great oracle and we are here to learn from your greatness.  Listen, we all know what happened with BD, we know all about FAcy, we know who was on the bulls, mavs, and our current squad.  so keep your comments to your opinion and leave the obvious facts out.</p>
<p>for example: IMO the warriors would be better of to spend the money on a FA like EB than on a PG because;<br />
1) That makes us too small,<br />
2) We would be a much better balanced team</p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally shocked to hear that the public and sports writers believe that EB would better on the clippers than the warriors. IMO Ellis, Jackson, Harrington, Brand, Beidrins, is a MUCH better starting 5 than we had last year because we would be bigger and better defensively and on the boards, we&#8217;d be better all around.</p>
<p>BD was great for the 1st half of the year, but Ellis was the the man who carried us through the 2nd half of the season. EB, Jack, and Beans, would be a GREAT defensive nucleaus, with Wright coming of the bench (he should focus on becoming a defensive Lock-down player), Monta&#8217;s got steals, Al&#8217;s got fire power and is big for a 3.  Jack is big for a 2, and can help bring the ball up.  All of a sudden we have a dynamically different team, and i think it would be a huge leap forward from last year.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t save the money Marcus, the experts are right (chris mullin and company) Do everything you can to get EB.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/07/save-your-money-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-11043</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t say that I was satisfied with the results.  What results can there already be when free agency hasn&#039;t even started yet?  And why would teams even begin making trades or free agent signings until the moratorium is over and the cap is set tomorrow?  To give up on the Warriors when the season ended a little less than a month ago and with the free agency period yet to begin is crazy.

I didn&#039;t say I was crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.  I said I would happy if management didn&#039;t rush into any decisions since the official signing period hasn&#039;t begun.

AND PLEASE DO NOT TELL ME YOU JUST COMPARED THE WARRIORS PROSPECTS OF RUNNING ELLIS AT THE POINT WITH JORDAN&#039;S BULLS!!!!!!!!!  OR TO A LESSER EXTENT THE MAVS (they had Dirk and Howard; we have Jax and, uhhh......Harrington).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say that I was satisfied with the results.  What results can there already be when free agency hasn&#8217;t even started yet?  And why would teams even begin making trades or free agent signings until the moratorium is over and the cap is set tomorrow?  To give up on the Warriors when the season ended a little less than a month ago and with the free agency period yet to begin is crazy.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say I was crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.  I said I would happy if management didn&#8217;t rush into any decisions since the official signing period hasn&#8217;t begun.</p>
<p>AND PLEASE DO NOT TELL ME YOU JUST COMPARED THE WARRIORS PROSPECTS OF RUNNING ELLIS AT THE POINT WITH JORDAN&#8217;S BULLS!!!!!!!!!  OR TO A LESSER EXTENT THE MAVS (they had Dirk and Howard; we have Jax and, uhhh&#8230;&#8230;Harrington).</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nevin420 does make a good point.  Just to play devil&#039;s advocate, here&#039;s my view.  Suppose Monta opts for the one year qualifying offer but is unable to match or exceed the year he just had.  Wouldn&#039;t he stand to loose money?  The class of potential free agents (restricted or unrestricted for &#039;09 would look something like Raymond Felton, Allen Iverson, Danny Granger, Lamar Odom, Shawn Marion, David Lee, Nate Robinson, Jamal Crawford, Hedo Turkoglu, Andre Miller, Martell Webster, Ron Artest, Carlos Boozer.  Seeing as how the free agent market is becoming very thin this offseason (with restricted free agents like Smith and Ellis as the big names), it would probably be wise financially for Ellis to either accept the Warriors&#039; offer or force a sign and trade.  I&#039;m not sure how far under the cap other teams in the league will be next year, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevin420 does make a good point.  Just to play devil&#8217;s advocate, here&#8217;s my view.  Suppose Monta opts for the one year qualifying offer but is unable to match or exceed the year he just had.  Wouldn&#8217;t he stand to loose money?  The class of potential free agents (restricted or unrestricted for &#8217;09 would look something like Raymond Felton, Allen Iverson, Danny Granger, Lamar Odom, Shawn Marion, David Lee, Nate Robinson, Jamal Crawford, Hedo Turkoglu, Andre Miller, Martell Webster, Ron Artest, Carlos Boozer.  Seeing as how the free agent market is becoming very thin this offseason (with restricted free agents like Smith and Ellis as the big names), it would probably be wise financially for Ellis to either accept the Warriors&#8217; offer or force a sign and trade.  I&#8217;m not sure how far under the cap other teams in the league will be next year, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Robo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, Marcus!  No NBA team in recent history has one a championship without an MVP player, so unless the W’s can acquire an MVP caliber player (not an all-star, an MVP) soon through a trade in ’08 or ‘09, then it’s best to wait until 2010.  For now, they can build on their young core and if they don’t rack up many wins, they will at least have a shot in the draft lottery of getting that key player(s) to keep or trade.

Q: So, why would an MVP want to play for the W’s?  A: Simple, money, the opportunity to win a championship, and an up-tempo style of play.  Thanks to Baron, Nellie, and Mullin, the W’s are a very different team than in the past (before Baron’s arrival) and they need to stay that way.

By 2010, the Western Conference will look awfully different.  The W’s and Blazers should both be playoff ready, with Denver and maybe Phoenix falling from the elite in the west.  Until then, the W’s need to see what their young core of players can do and they need a point guard to start finding this out.  Of the players out there, Devin Harris or Javaris Crittenton, makes the most sense.  Memphis has too many guards (Jaric, Conley, Gay, Crittenton, Lowery, and Mayo) and they need a big body.  Memphis may be able to part with Crittenton for Perovic straight up.  But, I’d really like to see the W’s make a run at Devin Harris.  I’d offer Harrington, Perovic and some draft picks for Harris and Stromile Swift, with Harris becoming the W’s starting point guard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Marcus!  No NBA team in recent history has one a championship without an MVP player, so unless the W’s can acquire an MVP caliber player (not an all-star, an MVP) soon through a trade in ’08 or ‘09, then it’s best to wait until 2010.  For now, they can build on their young core and if they don’t rack up many wins, they will at least have a shot in the draft lottery of getting that key player(s) to keep or trade.</p>
<p>Q: So, why would an MVP want to play for the W’s?  A: Simple, money, the opportunity to win a championship, and an up-tempo style of play.  Thanks to Baron, Nellie, and Mullin, the W’s are a very different team than in the past (before Baron’s arrival) and they need to stay that way.</p>
<p>By 2010, the Western Conference will look awfully different.  The W’s and Blazers should both be playoff ready, with Denver and maybe Phoenix falling from the elite in the west.  Until then, the W’s need to see what their young core of players can do and they need a point guard to start finding this out.  Of the players out there, Devin Harris or Javaris Crittenton, makes the most sense.  Memphis has too many guards (Jaric, Conley, Gay, Crittenton, Lowery, and Mayo) and they need a big body.  Memphis may be able to part with Crittenton for Perovic straight up.  But, I’d really like to see the W’s make a run at Devin Harris.  I’d offer Harrington, Perovic and some draft picks for Harris and Stromile Swift, with Harris becoming the W’s starting point guard.</p>
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		<title>By: blah</title>
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		<dc:creator>blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good Post Nevin,

Le, that is a horrible line up,  you still spend all our money and we end up with a team that is worse than last year.  Currently we have a cellar roster.  Monta&#039;s got too much leverage, and beindrins, who&#039;ll we&#039;ll probably give a huge contract to, and he can&#039;t hit a open jumper or a free throw.

Fans like EJ are horrible for the warriors, satisfied with less than average results.  I&#039;m glad your not the GM or coach.  let&#039;s just cross our fingures and hope.  yay!

le, my money is were my mouth is, i&#039;ve owned season tixs since pre-TMC days.  i had 4 seats last year, 2 courtside. so everyone that pays the current tix price which has dramtically been increased the last few years and still feels peachy about this current squad speak up, otherwise.....kick rocks.  We suck.

I love our young guys.  I think Wrigth will be a AK47/T.Prince type, i think the world of Randolph, maybe our best player in 4 years, Ellis is a bigger iverson without a three ball.  And AB is a solid rebounder and defender, but that is about all he&#039;s got in his bag of potential.

I could care less that BD left if we can land EB.  We would be a much better balanced team.  Look at Utah over the years.  That is what they build, and it works.  Carry a team on their back type players Marcus is talking about, is like waiting for a &quot;savior&quot;,  I say #$*% that.  Build a balanced team.  maybe one of these young guys turns into a allstar.

having two gaurds on the floor @ 6&#039;3 is just too small in todays league, especiall with our undersized front court.  Add in EB with AB and i&#039;ll take them over most 4&amp;5&#039;s in the west!  Monta will play point just fine.  their have been alot of teams that are very sucessfull without a true point.  Jordan&#039;s Bulls, Dallas with D.Harris, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Post Nevin,</p>
<p>Le, that is a horrible line up,  you still spend all our money and we end up with a team that is worse than last year.  Currently we have a cellar roster.  Monta&#8217;s got too much leverage, and beindrins, who&#8217;ll we&#8217;ll probably give a huge contract to, and he can&#8217;t hit a open jumper or a free throw.</p>
<p>Fans like EJ are horrible for the warriors, satisfied with less than average results.  I&#8217;m glad your not the GM or coach.  let&#8217;s just cross our fingures and hope.  yay!</p>
<p>le, my money is were my mouth is, i&#8217;ve owned season tixs since pre-TMC days.  i had 4 seats last year, 2 courtside. so everyone that pays the current tix price which has dramtically been increased the last few years and still feels peachy about this current squad speak up, otherwise&#8230;..kick rocks.  We suck.</p>
<p>I love our young guys.  I think Wrigth will be a AK47/T.Prince type, i think the world of Randolph, maybe our best player in 4 years, Ellis is a bigger iverson without a three ball.  And AB is a solid rebounder and defender, but that is about all he&#8217;s got in his bag of potential.</p>
<p>I could care less that BD left if we can land EB.  We would be a much better balanced team.  Look at Utah over the years.  That is what they build, and it works.  Carry a team on their back type players Marcus is talking about, is like waiting for a &#8220;savior&#8221;,  I say #$*% that.  Build a balanced team.  maybe one of these young guys turns into a allstar.</p>
<p>having two gaurds on the floor @ 6&#8217;3 is just too small in todays league, especiall with our undersized front court.  Add in EB with AB and i&#8217;ll take them over most 4&amp;5&#8242;s in the west!  Monta will play point just fine.  their have been alot of teams that are very sucessfull without a true point.  Jordan&#8217;s Bulls, Dallas with D.Harris, etc.</p>
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