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		<title>By: Ewok</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/27/andris-inked/comment-page-1/#comment-11503</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who is to say Biedrins is not a star in the making?

There is consistency and improvement year after year. Following the trend, Who is to say he isn&#039;t going to be a star.

Maggette may step or he may not. But in a running game, Who knows?

I think the Warriors are set.

All they have to think now are two factors, Injury and Chemistry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is to say Biedrins is not a star in the making?</p>
<p>There is consistency and improvement year after year. Following the trend, Who is to say he isn&#8217;t going to be a star.</p>
<p>Maggette may step or he may not. But in a running game, Who knows?</p>
<p>I think the Warriors are set.</p>
<p>All they have to think now are two factors, Injury and Chemistry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/27/andris-inked/comment-page-1/#comment-11502</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is pretty frustrating to hear all this crap about &quot;overpaid&quot;.

Let me clarify this for everyone:

BIEDRINS IS NOT BEING PAID LIKE A SUPER STAR.
Superstars like the Garnetts, Kobes, and Shaqs get $20M annually or more.

Slightly lesser superstars like Brand get in the $15-20M range annually.

All the crap about Biedrins being &quot;overpaid&quot; because he isn&#039;t a superstar has no merit. He doesn&#039;t need to be a superstar to earn his paycheck because he&#039;s not being paid to BE a superstar.

Moreover, it is virtually impossible to sign a superstar at the time the player is already recognized as such.

When the Spurs locked up their Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, were they recognized as a &quot;Big 3&quot;? Hardly. They were very good young players that the Spurs identified were good fits and had good potential to succeed on their squad and in their system.

Guess what? Biedrins and Ellis are very good young players and they fit our system and they ooze upside. Will they be as good as Parker and Ginobili? Who knows, I hope so...but those guys are making their contracts look like absolute STEALS.

If Biedrins and Ellis merely play according to their current valuation, then the Warriors have done well. If they beat their contract values, then the Warriors have done EXCEEDINGLY well.

So please, cut out this &quot;overpaid&quot; crap and find something worthwhile to complain about. Become a Hawks fan, they have real problems worth bitching about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty frustrating to hear all this crap about &#8220;overpaid&#8221;.</p>
<p>Let me clarify this for everyone:</p>
<p>BIEDRINS IS NOT BEING PAID LIKE A SUPER STAR.<br />
Superstars like the Garnetts, Kobes, and Shaqs get $20M annually or more.</p>
<p>Slightly lesser superstars like Brand get in the $15-20M range annually.</p>
<p>All the crap about Biedrins being &#8220;overpaid&#8221; because he isn&#8217;t a superstar has no merit. He doesn&#8217;t need to be a superstar to earn his paycheck because he&#8217;s not being paid to BE a superstar.</p>
<p>Moreover, it is virtually impossible to sign a superstar at the time the player is already recognized as such.</p>
<p>When the Spurs locked up their Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, were they recognized as a &#8220;Big 3&#8243;? Hardly. They were very good young players that the Spurs identified were good fits and had good potential to succeed on their squad and in their system.</p>
<p>Guess what? Biedrins and Ellis are very good young players and they fit our system and they ooze upside. Will they be as good as Parker and Ginobili? Who knows, I hope so&#8230;but those guys are making their contracts look like absolute STEALS.</p>
<p>If Biedrins and Ellis merely play according to their current valuation, then the Warriors have done well. If they beat their contract values, then the Warriors have done EXCEEDINGLY well.</p>
<p>So please, cut out this &#8220;overpaid&#8221; crap and find something worthwhile to complain about. Become a Hawks fan, they have real problems worth bitching about.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/27/andris-inked/comment-page-1/#comment-11501</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bedreins is a role player not a star.  He was over paid.  It would be great if the W&#039;s could trade harrington, BW and Belinelli to land Josh Smith, or even Igodoula.

Paying big money to guys like Maggette and beans does not win titles.  You need a big 2 or 3, those guys are parts, not superstars]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bedreins is a role player not a star.  He was over paid.  It would be great if the W&#8217;s could trade harrington, BW and Belinelli to land Josh Smith, or even Igodoula.</p>
<p>Paying big money to guys like Maggette and beans does not win titles.  You need a big 2 or 3, those guys are parts, not superstars</p>
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		<title>By: Ewok</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/27/andris-inked/comment-page-1/#comment-11500</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andris wasn&#039;t overpaid.

Year after year, he shows consistent improvement. For a 22 year old, He has shown occassional signs of dominance that reveals that he is no pushover. At one point, He defended against Duncan so well, blocked him two consecutive times... Bootomline, HE HAS NOT EVEN PEAKED YET!

I like his timing and footwork, I like his ability to scrap and run, and I like his rebounding skills and of course, He is very coachable! Now that he has a solid back up, just imagine what he can  do on long stretches!

The guy is only 22 years old. If we are building a franchise, Mullin did the right move. Centers are hard to find.

63 million? Imagine this, Three years from now, What is 63 million in the league? With all these new talent coming in and free agents upping the ante, 63 million is still less than Mike Dunleavy is getting and that will be the time this guy will reach his peak which is very intimidating to imagine.

Locking this guy now makes great sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andris wasn&#8217;t overpaid.</p>
<p>Year after year, he shows consistent improvement. For a 22 year old, He has shown occassional signs of dominance that reveals that he is no pushover. At one point, He defended against Duncan so well, blocked him two consecutive times&#8230; Bootomline, HE HAS NOT EVEN PEAKED YET!</p>
<p>I like his timing and footwork, I like his ability to scrap and run, and I like his rebounding skills and of course, He is very coachable! Now that he has a solid back up, just imagine what he can  do on long stretches!</p>
<p>The guy is only 22 years old. If we are building a franchise, Mullin did the right move. Centers are hard to find.</p>
<p>63 million? Imagine this, Three years from now, What is 63 million in the league? With all these new talent coming in and free agents upping the ante, 63 million is still less than Mike Dunleavy is getting and that will be the time this guy will reach his peak which is very intimidating to imagine.</p>
<p>Locking this guy now makes great sense.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/27/andris-inked/comment-page-1/#comment-11499</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i would&#039;ve rather seen 9mil per.  it&#039;s nitpicking, but i guess it&#039;s just more asthetically appealing.  bogut&#039;s extension and okafor&#039;s lack of a deal probably played a roll in it.  love goose, though!  i could definitely see him average 13 and 12 with more minutes.  hopefully he can get his blocks up, as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would&#8217;ve rather seen 9mil per.  it&#8217;s nitpicking, but i guess it&#8217;s just more asthetically appealing.  bogut&#8217;s extension and okafor&#8217;s lack of a deal probably played a roll in it.  love goose, though!  i could definitely see him average 13 and 12 with more minutes.  hopefully he can get his blocks up, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: longshorelikebench</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/27/andris-inked/comment-page-1/#comment-11498</link>
		<dc:creator>longshorelikebench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Biedrins got screwed on defense.  All his wing players played Double Dribble defense.. just trying to steal the ball.  When it didn&#039;t work, they had open lanes and he had to help.  What&#039;s he supposed to do.  Not defend the open basket?  He actually does a really good job of jumping up and away while still reaching the highest point, but if the refs are going to call a foul against him, what can you do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biedrins got screwed on defense.  All his wing players played Double Dribble defense.. just trying to steal the ball.  When it didn&#8217;t work, they had open lanes and he had to help.  What&#8217;s he supposed to do.  Not defend the open basket?  He actually does a really good job of jumping up and away while still reaching the highest point, but if the refs are going to call a foul against him, what can you do?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What makes you think he&#039;ll continue to stay at 25 minutes a game? That was largely due to his foul propensity which has steadily been improved upon and Nellie&#039;s insistence on putting guys like Al or even Pietrus/Barnes at center.

Heck, Nellie might have even held Biedrins back in the hope of keeping his stats from going up, which would have meant ammo for Bill Duffy the scumbag at the negotiating table, as if he needed help.

Look at the end of the season when Biedrins started getting over 30 a night. He was Camby-like:

After recovering from his appendectomy, Biedrins played 32 minutes a game in April and averaged 14 points and 14 rebounds a game while still shooting over 60% from the field.

We are now committed to youth, so without the hell-bent intent on running veterans into the ground in a futile push to the playoffs like last year, Nellie/Mullin are certain to get their money&#039;s worth from Biedrins.

Consider that this guy has been yanked around with his minutes fluctuating thanks to Nellie&#039;s matchup madness and has had zero, i mean zero help under the glass (a bunch of 6&#039;6 swingmen masquerading as PF&#039;s don&#039;t count)...

...and he hasn&#039;t complained in the least.

I will gladly pay Biedrins $10M. All he does is produce.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think he&#8217;ll continue to stay at 25 minutes a game? That was largely due to his foul propensity which has steadily been improved upon and Nellie&#8217;s insistence on putting guys like Al or even Pietrus/Barnes at center.</p>
<p>Heck, Nellie might have even held Biedrins back in the hope of keeping his stats from going up, which would have meant ammo for Bill Duffy the scumbag at the negotiating table, as if he needed help.</p>
<p>Look at the end of the season when Biedrins started getting over 30 a night. He was Camby-like:</p>
<p>After recovering from his appendectomy, Biedrins played 32 minutes a game in April and averaged 14 points and 14 rebounds a game while still shooting over 60% from the field.</p>
<p>We are now committed to youth, so without the hell-bent intent on running veterans into the ground in a futile push to the playoffs like last year, Nellie/Mullin are certain to get their money&#8217;s worth from Biedrins.</p>
<p>Consider that this guy has been yanked around with his minutes fluctuating thanks to Nellie&#8217;s matchup madness and has had zero, i mean zero help under the glass (a bunch of 6&#8217;6 swingmen masquerading as PF&#8217;s don&#8217;t count)&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;and he hasn&#8217;t complained in the least.</p>
<p>I will gladly pay Biedrins $10M. All he does is produce.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i like andris, but i think it&#039;s a lot for a guy that gives you 25 minutes per game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like andris, but i think it&#8217;s a lot for a guy that gives you 25 minutes per game.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/07/27/andris-inked/comment-page-1/#comment-11496</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes! Beans is in the Schnizzle!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! Beans is in the Schnizzle!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a per-minute basis, Biedrins compares well with Kaman, Dalembert, and Chandler, all of whom make around $10M annually.

Even among his peers, such as Bogut, Al Jefferson, and Emeka Okafor, his numbers stack up well. Heck, his rebound rate was superior to that of Jefferson and Amare Stoudamire, and his defense trounces either of theirs.  He defends the pick and roll well, he&#039;s mobile enough to help in the scrambling defense, and he&#039;s learned to reduce fouls while still challenging shots (it&#039;s not about blocking shots, it&#039;s about changing shots).

He is 22 years old, to boot.

$10M? Thats right in line with his value. No one has any reason to complain. I think before people spout off on the &quot;overpaid&quot; tag, they actually do a little research instead of basing it on their own preconceived notions of how much someone should be making...or what Tim Kawakami blogs about.

We&#039;re not getting Okafor, and he wouldn&#039;t fit on a running team anyways. Charlotte tried to turn into a run and gun team- ask them how well Okafor worked out in that type of system. Okafor is a slightly evolved version of Erick Dampier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a per-minute basis, Biedrins compares well with Kaman, Dalembert, and Chandler, all of whom make around $10M annually.</p>
<p>Even among his peers, such as Bogut, Al Jefferson, and Emeka Okafor, his numbers stack up well. Heck, his rebound rate was superior to that of Jefferson and Amare Stoudamire, and his defense trounces either of theirs.  He defends the pick and roll well, he&#8217;s mobile enough to help in the scrambling defense, and he&#8217;s learned to reduce fouls while still challenging shots (it&#8217;s not about blocking shots, it&#8217;s about changing shots).</p>
<p>He is 22 years old, to boot.</p>
<p>$10M? Thats right in line with his value. No one has any reason to complain. I think before people spout off on the &#8220;overpaid&#8221; tag, they actually do a little research instead of basing it on their own preconceived notions of how much someone should be making&#8230;or what Tim Kawakami blogs about.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not getting Okafor, and he wouldn&#8217;t fit on a running team anyways. Charlotte tried to turn into a run and gun team- ask them how well Okafor worked out in that type of system. Okafor is a slightly evolved version of Erick Dampier.</p>
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