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Stephen Jackson – Stay or Go?

Debuting a new feature here. The Warriors are going to take inventory this offseason, see what moves they need to make and how they can get better. Over the next few weeks, we are going to do some evaluating ourselves. Here is your chance to give them your opinion (yes, they do read this blog). I will make the best case I can as to why a player should stay or go this offseason. Then you sound off.
Who better to start with than Stephen Jackson.


Thanks due to Tony.psd for the hot graphic


THE CASE FOR STEPHEN JACKSON TO STAY


Because the Warriors need a guy who averages 21.1 points, 6.4 assists and 4.9 rebounds. Nellie’s offense especially needs someone who can put points on the board in a variety of ways.
Jackson has become a reliable scorer, and he’s even better when he doesn’t have to be the do-it-all playmaker. Even his 3.8 turnovers are tolerable considering how many minutes he plays. Fewer than one turnover ever 10 minutes. It’s easy to swallow that in exchange for someone who can defend and who can make a tough shot in the clutch.
If the Warriors can land an A-list player, someone who commands double teams, especially if that player is a big man, Jackson would be even better for Golden State. He certainly would be much more efficient. Instead of getting rid of your top player again, learn from the past and get him help. Why have an experience, productive player in your grasp and let him go for more potential?

THE CASE FOR STEPHEN JACKSON TO GO

His technical fouls, propensity for turnovers and forced shots aside, Jackson should go because he is more valuable to the Warriors as a trade commodity than on the court. While he is passionate and a good teammate, he probably won’t be winning around here for a long time. The Warriors may be better off grooming the small forward of the future, whether that is Kelenna Azubuike or Anthony Randolph.
Plus, the way Jackson plays is not the best example for the younger players. His shot selection, risky passes, arguing with the referees, that’s not what impressionable young minds like Randolph and Morrow need to see from their team leader. That stuff flies on a veteran team with guys who aren’t necessarily looking to Jack to learn how to play the game. But if the Warriors are staking the franchise on their young talent, it’s best to teach them how to play the game. They need to proper coaching and proper example on the court.


THE REALITY

You may think Jackson is nearly impossible to move because of the extension the Warriors gave him. I don’t think so. It would be hard, no doubt. But four years at about $9 million per is not so daunting. With the numbers he is putting up, a good team in need of a productive veteran might be willing to take him off the Warriors hands. New Orleans could use him desperately. So could Dallas. So could San Antonio and Houston. He would fit in Cleveland, but they gave Delonte West a bunch of money already (imagine a perimeter of Mo Williams, Jax and LeBron). Another place Jax would fit: the Lakers. He would be a significant upgrade over Luke Walton, the current starting SF. Of course, the Warriors probably wouldn’t trade him to L.A.
The point is, the Warriors should be able to convince a good team to take on the money. And the Warriors would have an easier time moving him now, get more back for him now, than they would when he has one or two years left on his deal.

So, which side do you fall on?

Cast your vote here.

Marcus Thompson

  • Neil Rogers

    Keeper…leadership, good all-around player..makes the go

  • http://stores.ebay.com/Cykeo-Inc MCGSWfan

    I like Capt. Jack and hope he stays as we will need his veteran leadership to help our young players grow.

    However, I hate it when he has the ball in his hands during the game. Whenever he tries to penetrate the lane through trouble he almost always turns it over which angers me uncontrollably. Also, he holds the ball to long during crunch time, our offense becomes stagnant as he tried to win the game by himself and that hurts the team chemistry and has caused us to lose more than a few games. Just the other day, when we lost the Charlotte game, Jackson handled the ball, by himself on 8 of 10 possessions that were split between the 3rd and 4th quarters. Every one of those possessions were either a turnover or an ugly brick with no rebounders in position to remedy it and that stretch alone cost us the game.

    He is the heart and soul of this team though and also our best defender. I want him to stay but only if dominates the ball less and plays about 20-30 per game. If we can get a significant 1 or 4 or 5 though by packaging him in a trade, I would say do it in a heartbeat.

    We all know the real problem here is Nelly and Rowell, if anyone should definitely be moved or let go it should be one of them.

  • STACKJACK4PRESIDENT

    All you guys that said Jack should go are DUMB!! everyone is hating on jack because of his turnovers? Its like that because all you guys are just focusing on that, what happen to all the times when he saved the game, those long distance three pointers that only he would take with confidence, all the back to back threes that would bring us on our feet…. Its always the negative that people focus on Jack, but look at all the positives that he brought to golden state, who defends all the all stars in the nba?? Jack!! He is the heart and soul of the warriors, he still puts excitement in the game regardless if were winning or not. Has one of the best personalities in the game and that is very very dedicated to his teammates and his fans. If any of you wanna comment to me about my post email me at mr.michaelantonio@gmail.com SON! Warriors For Life, Win or Lose

  • Gowarriors

    Overall I think Jackson should stay. He’s been the teams most consistent scorer this season and mgmt will never get his value back via a trade.

  • earl monroe

    At any level, playground or NBA the really great ones have a built in common sense meter on the court, when they feel the game getting out of hand they think twice about taking a quick shot, making a lazy pass, whipping a pass thru traffic, holding the ball too long, dribbling into traffic. They look for the best way to get a hoop wether offensively or defensively. It is in this situation that teams grow and bond, when all 5 guys know they must get one somehow, otherwise you get into the 15+point disadvantage area where its very difficult to come back, unfortunately stats aren’t kept for decision making. Wanting to take a shot is one thing, giving the ball up and setting yourself up in an area of the court where you can get a high percentage shot for yourself is another. Trusting your teammates by giving up the ball and knowing they have enough respect for you to give it back. Players who lack trust will just hold the ball, pound it, take fade away jumpers, not pass to players who are open because they lack trust in them, these type of players are not leaders, you cannot win with them, unless they are surrounded by 2 or more all star type players.

    They do not inspire trust, therefore are not trusted by teammates. Numbers mean little if you are losing on a regular basis, deep inside all players know this, seldom do they talk about it, because contracts are based on numbers not winning and losing.
    These type of players are fool’s gold, they keep you in games with athleticism, they tease you with deep 3 point shots in the fourth, they delight you with thread the needle type passes, they push on bigger players defensively, but when its tight and tough they also take the quick shot, make the bad pass go for the low percentage steal attempt. Rant and rave to the officials, talks too much to his own players that it distracts them.

    The four other players on the court who don’t know what this player will do at any given time, no matter if its a set play is called for this player, they don’t know, they do not trust him, they cannot get comfortable, he breaks the rhythm of the game, the flow, they stand, by the time they react to his missed shot or quick pass they cannot get in position to make a good play, take a good shot. And if this happen too often, a team loses the chance for someone other than the person with the ball to make a positive play.

    Building a team is different than entertaining fans and setting win records by the coach, talent is only part of the chain necessary to succeed.

    If an NBA players career is on average 8-10 years,by your six year you have developed habits you are not likely to break, and if a coach does not attempt to help a player break bad habits then what type of coach is he? If a coach condones repeated mistakes at the cost of the team what type of coach is he?

    Sitting a talented player who makes many mistakes on the court is the only way to curtail some of that, and possibly make him and even greater player.
    A disservice is being done to the player if his mistakes are accepted as part of his on court makeup and personality. We can all improve, but not if no one expects us to or makes us accountable.

  • OliverStone

    John Wooden once said “Scoring 20 points shooting 20 times doesn’t impress me”.

    That’s kind of where I’m at with Stephen “It ain’t me” Jackson. I struggle with the question does he make his teamates better? Nellie calls him “His guy” & “I love him to death”. He can do whatever he wants without recourse. I just wonder how this truly sits with the rest of the Warriors, especially the young ones?

    Should he stay or go? If his minutes are limited to 35 or less, if his shots are limited to 12-15, & mostly if he didn’t have that ridiculous extension his dinner buddy Rowell gave him, I would keep him.

    He needs (as Nellie has said) to be 3-4 option), if he focus’s on D & limits the number of possesions he takes off & plays “catch & shoot” on offense, then he’s an asset!

  • luv W’s, not Nellie

    Stay hands down. If we would have a legit point gaurd, then Jack would not have had to be “the guy” that initiates the offence. Before we got JC, and before Rocky Bellinelli woke up and started playing basketball, Jack was basicly the point gaurd. So he was running the team on the floor, playing 68 minutes per game, defending the opponents best player most of the time, and Nellie as the coach, this is a recipe for disaster. We need a true PG to run the show, and a big to help AB on the boards, and to learn to play a little defence, and the W’s will be alright. But every team needs a player like Cap Jack on it….and dont forget that Monte has not played all season either…

    By the way…TAKE AL HARRINGTON OFF THE DAYUM BANNER!!!!

  • Ed

    Stay. I like the heart & soul Jack plays with. He can learn to play a little better with his team. How about we start with the coach first, should he stay or go?

    NELLIE please GO. Back across the Pacific, PLEASE…

  • “Magic”

    “Ajbry”……………JJ, Redd and Nowitzki are still better 4th quarter scoring options than Jackson, Crawford or Maggette, no matter what you say, I would still rather have Joe Johnson, Michael Redd or Dirk Nowitzki taking big shots in the 4th quarter and closing games out.

    Don’t fool yoursel, fans always find a reason to “loathe” a player but when you compare those 3 guys I named to our 3 best players, there is absolutely no comparison.

    You would rather have Stephen Jackson than Joe Johnson…….you’re out of your mind fool, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    “Samuraaiiiiii”………Corey Maggette has been a top 20 scorer in this leagues for the last 5 years. He has led his Clipper team in the past in PPG for years running. Stepehen was a 3rd option in San Antonio, a second option in Indiana and now is our 1st option.

    Corey is a better scorer than Stephen.

    Stephen is a better defender.

    But the reason I say Corey is better is not because he “bowls” over players like you and some other bloggers say. It’s actually because Corey is a much smarter basketball player than Stephen.

    He understands how to get to the basket, accepts his role no matter what it is and still scores 20+ppg. Jackson cannot handle the ball, he loses the ball everytime he puts the ball on the floor and goes to the basket.

    And “MRJFG SON”………you too, fool, read my explanation above, stop kidding yourself, you guys act like Stephen is the “second coming” just becasue he’s the go to guy on a 20 win team…….come on, be honest with yourself, my comment about “pedigree” revolced more around the fact that Corey has been a leading scorer on whatever team he’s played on more often than Stephen.

    I don’t care what you guys say………Corey is better than Stephen.

    You guys just are blinded because Stephen is really our only no.1 option according to Nelson and some of you fans that you don’t use your common sense.

  • Keep Stack Jack the Cap

    really besides Anthony Randolphs 10-15 of PT…Jack is the ONLY thing that makes the Warriors watchable.

    get rid of Jack and the Dubs will seriously lose fans (@ least me 4sure!)

  • Keep Stack Jack the Cap

    JACK’S HEART AND DESIRE 2 WIN ARE PRICELESS.

  • Dave

    Marcus, I say we keep Jackson, and trade the coach, the owner and the financial genius Rowell. Jackson is at his best with the right players around him where he doesn’t have to do too much. A “real” point guard, and a star post player would be perfect, however I don’t trust management of this team to do the right thing and acquire these people without a solid GM to run the whole show, and Nelson needs to take his mind games, small ball, and his bickering with the players to Maui for good.

  • blah

    It’s pointless to have a conversation regarding a trade without knowing the player we would be getting in return for Jackson. In regards to trades, we should assume that we are staying the course and building on a core of Eliis and Goose. Those two players will need team mates around that will complement their game.

    With that being said, I think these hater’s owe Jackson an apology.

    Turnovers? Both Ellis and Goose need guys around them that can pass the ball and create for others as they don’t have a strong hold on that facet of the game.
    1) As previously stated, Jackson plays the most minutes in the league.
    2) Most of his turnovers are forced passes underneath the hoop. Most of those turnovers if caught are assist. (Season Turnover to Assist = 3.8 to 6.4) So he’s forcing a few passes, but he assisting at a much higher rate than he’s shooting. So I say…..keep passing.

    We need a guy like Jackson, and Crawford also brings these tools to the team. He is not a pure passer but together with others like Jackson, it can work just fine.

    Jackson has been absolutely stellar in the last month. He’s playing great ball. What more do you want? Apologize to the man. Don’t blame him for the fact that we don’t have a PF.

    We all know that the team is missing a PF who can work the block, defend the block and rebound. Maggette does get us to the line like a PF can because he works the lane but, he can’t defend and rebound like we need. Maggette is a great player too, but he’s not our problem either.

    Let’s stop and think about this and consider an apology to Jackson, its not his fault that we don’t have a balanced team. The fact that he and others (Maggette) try to compensate for what we are missing should not qualify them to shoulder the blame. Jackson is a winner, he is our best competitor, he is a Warrior and should remain here.

    Let’s focus on the real problem. Join with me on the Blake Griffin Campaign. A Big athletic PF who can rebound, score without the ball, and play some Defense down low. Under 5 million per year for the next 3 years. Stop carrying about this years wins and losses and I’ll promise you that you will enjoy the rest of the year.

  • hmoy

    36 mil for 4 years isnt a bad contract for who is arguably the best player on the team. It’s a downright steal for someone getting 20/5/5 who also plays D. BUT, the W’s arent winning a title with SJax as its best player. Either get him some help or trade him with an eye towards the future.

  • BigGreen

    Can we get roster stability for once,man,we need to keep a team together or we will never win

  • BigGreen

    You know I think jack is great but he does not need to handle the ball so much becausde he trie tpo force it too much, but he needs ot stay, he has won a championship, he knows how to win big games, but we need to build the roster with guys we tust and need, and if Monta wants to leave he can go, then we can save some money and get somebody that is not immature and thinks we owe him something and can’t follow rules. I would have suspended him for the season for that crap, we lost Baron because of him.I think we should try to keep Crawford and deal Azibuike and Monta and go with Maggette,Jackson,Randolph,Turiaf, Crawford,B Wright,Belinelli, and Biedrins as our solid seven guys, and keep Watson who is solid and maybe get another Post player, and everyone can know their role and we can get some wins, or we can get Baron back!!!!!!!

  • ForrestM

    Jack needs to go. We have an extremely young team that needs strong leaders–the type of players they can look up to. Jack has had clutch shots, sure, but he’s not a good role model on the court. A vet with class and composure would (over the long term) be more valuable than Jack’s current production (which I think is inflated because of his minutes and touches).

  • TimHaradawayGSWfan

    Jackson should be staying, #15, #8, and #6 should stay too. It’s Nellie and #50 that should go.

    I mean the Clips didn’t even want Maggette. But when are we gonna stop saying next year, focus on the future, when we draft shaky (Brandan Wright), make dumb free agent choices (Maggette, when we already were set at G-SF), don’t keep the future happy (M. Ellis) and trade away our leader (Captian Jack).

    Those are all recipies for mediocrity year after year. Which is what we’ve for the last 15 outside of 2 years. That’s rediculous.

  • “Magic”

    Wow…..you really seem to agree with a lot of people “Tim Hardaway”…..# 15, # 8 , etc…personally, I didn’t see anything special from these posts……….you agree with # 15 that Stephen was the “Lebron of the West” in February and he’s the “Joe Johsnon of the West.”…………you must sleep with these guys or something,…….you sure like to kiss their asses for their lame comments.

  • Jrod

    Dude has to go. Leads the league in turnovers and he has HORRIBLE shot selection. Shoots a bad percentage from everywhere and cannot keep his mouth shut. He constantly complains and whines. The whole “heart and soul” concept is all people can say because they cant think of any solid reason for him to stay that we people who know basketball cant refute. The heart and soul of a losing team isnt worth much. Averages over 20 ppg? Look how many shots it takes for him to get there. A lot of assists? Look how many turnovers! Rebounding? The only rebounds he gets are the ones that end up right next to him after he doesnt box out. Shall i go on?

  • Aliengames

    Jackson is our best player, and the only reason management should trade him is if they really have given up on being competitive over the next 2 or 3 years.

    As a Warriors fan, I still hold out hope that we can be relevant in the West next year (or at least the year after).

    PS: Trade Crawford and filler for Baron Davis.

  • jsl

    Ajbry @48: OK. Fair response. A lot of posters — see, e.g. Felty and MikeW — would never concede Jack is a 37% shooter in Q4, when he shoots the most. So I apprecuiate the candor.

    I like the guy, too. But in my mind he’s got to limit himself, as does his coach, to be really effective. His ball carelessness, poor shooting, lack of Q4 movement, deficient late game D, are ALL attributable to (1) overplay by Nelson and (2) failure to play within his talents by Jack. Were he to learn self-control, and be limited to 30 minutes, we’d have a real good player on our hands. (My hunch is he’d be terrific with the Spurs and Pop as his coach — cuz Pop would control his egregious excesses.) Now, not so much; and he’s typically his worst at the end.

    Final point: If he’s so good, why is he among the NBA players guys want to play with LEAST? (BD is another; go figure.)

  • http://chriscohansucks.blogspot.com/ Chris Cohan

    Competitive? (71)

    Jackson never gives up… the rock.
    Cue ajbry wiht the assists numbers (no TO, of course… or it’s all Nellie’s fault).

    ajbry is paid to pimp Jack. It’s fact.

  • jackson sucks awfully

    1) he does not play his heart out every game
    -how often does he throw up a godawful shot and then beliggerently complain to the refs while a 3 on 1 is happening on the other side
    2) horrible “leader/captain”
    -name one other team where jackson would be a leader much less a captain. not even the kings or pacers
    3) he is an awful example for the youngsters
    -i see watson, buike, and randolph throwing up shots just because they haven’t touched it in awhile and that since their “captain” can, they can too

    worst of all…jackson is going to be untradeable until maybe he is on the last year of his contract because NO team (with the exception of the knicks if isiah was still in charge) will trade for jackson much less ever even ask about him.

    the idiot warriors gave a ridiculous extension to a player no team would have offered even close to what we gave him

    we need to follow the pacers like they did with tinsley and just banish jackson

    i am an avid basketball fan. heck, my favorite team is the san antonio spurs so i know what basketball is and how it should be. anyone that says we are better with jackson is completely inept.

    to be fair, jackson would be a nice player if he is the 3rd best player, not the first or second.