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Warriors’ PR Blunder

Wanted to get this up earlier but the little girl turned 2 today. Poor thing had a fever on her birthday! Crazy weekend for me. Daughter’s B-Day today. Memorial Day tomorrow (which has new meaning for me since my sis is an Iraq vet, her stories are heartrending) and my anniversary is on Tuesday (eight years, baby!). Plus I’m supposed to be taking some time off before the draft hype gets crazy. Nonetheless, this Warriors-official-taking-up-blogging story won’t die.

As it turns out, there were four comments made on my blog from the same IP address discovered on WarriorsWorld.net. Thanks to the excellent research of my colleague Tim Kawakami, we know that IP address is linked to Raymond Ridder, the Warriors executive PR director. Ridder, according to Kawakami (which Ridder reiterated to me), said he’s only posted like 10 comments. But with the 16 Kawakami found, plus the four I found, the total is up to 20.

But the posts on my blog — none of which used the handle “Flunkster Dude” he used on WW.net– reveals Ridder may very well be telling the truth. Why? Because one of the four comments by that IP address was made by me.


Here are the four comments posted on my blog under the same IP address found on WW.net:

Jim
jsmith@gmail.com

We saw what happened with the 49ers rushed Alex Smith into the party. He fell flat on his face.

From Should Randolph be Playing? , 2008/11/04 at 10:16 AM

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Tru Warier
Ron@ron.com

It’s great to see that Jack has class to do some good for the community. Has there been other “works” that have not been covered by the media or that the general public doesn’t know about? i.e. Helping out a local charities without media coverage. Basicaly is this all for show? Thanks MTII.

From P.A.T. Bound , 2008/08/18 at 4:25 PM

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Dub Sauce
joe@smith.com

At this point in his life, if he was given the choice to quit the NBA for 65 mil dollars or stay in the NBA for 3 mil/yr for the rest of his career, what would he choose?

From P.A.T. Bound , 2008/08/18 at 4:13 PM

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Marcus
mthomps2@bayareanewsgroup.com

Frenemy,

Remember, the Warriors are working with an thin bench here. MP2, Azubuike, Barnes, Croshere, POB are all free agents and may not be back. Even with them, the Warriors bench was thin.

Randolph gives them more athleticism, a rebounder and shotblocker off the bench (which they didn’t have before) and options. Meanwhile, he gets time to develop while playing some.

Hibbert is a straight stiff. He can’t play in the Warriors system, and drafting him would mean getting rid of Biedrins, and I like Biedrins better. Speights might’ve been nice, because he can score. But as far as value, Randolph was the better pick. He was a top-10 projected pick who slipped to 14. Speights wasn’t expected to go that high, so the Warriors would’ve been jumping up a bit to get him.

Drafts are all about potential and value. No one on the board had more of either than Randolph

From It’s Randolph. , 2008/06/26 at 8:47 PM

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So, the first one was a comment on my post about whether Randolph should be playing back in early November. The second is a comment about my post regarding Jackson’s school opening in Port Arthur. The third is a response to my request for questions for Stephen Jackson before I went to Port Arthur. That question was asked and answered. The fourth was me answering a question posted on my blog on draft night.
Every draft night, the Warriors have a viewing for the local media at their facility in downtown Oakland. After watching the draft on TV, the Warriors hold a press conference with the head decisions maker and conference calls with the draft pick. So I was definitely at the Warriors facility on that night.
Which means I was on their Wifi.
Which means … and I’m not too sure about this … that if you’re on their Wifi, you are under their IP address? (Feel free to correct me or explain better)
In my novice understanding of this subject, that means anyone using the Warriors Wifi and posting a comment would show up under the same IP address.
I glean two things from this:
1. I can believe Raymond is indeed telling the truth
“I have never, ever commented on a media site,” Ridder said Sunday night.

2. Raymond is not a rogue agent. Instead, the Warriors probably have a team of anonymous blog commenters infiltrating Warriors-related sites.

I am predominantly an internet shopper. I would much rather purchase online than wrinkle up my Air Force 1s trekking around the mall. One of the things I’ve learned is that when buying items online, it is worthwhile to read the reviews.
It never fails that you click the review — whether it’s a hotel or a restaurant or a pair of shoes — and there are a handful of comments that are excessively complimentary. Especially if they are more positive than the other reviews, you just know that it’s a company rep hyping up a product.
In Ridder’s mind, that’s all he was doing, the same thing many other company reps do in other areas of business and commerce.
But here’s why he or any other Warriors rep can’t take part in such underhanded tactics:

* Because Warriors fans deserve better. They deserve more than deceit and propaganda. Want to make the conversation positive? PUT A BETTER TEAM ON THE COURT. Want to make the conversation positive? WIN.
Considering all of the loyalty, all of the money fans have pumped into the organization, the least the Warriors can do is be straight up and take the heat. Deal with the criticism. Swallow the negativity. Justified or no. Credible or not. Suck it up. After all, you did win 29 games and missed the playoffs for the 14th time in 15 seasons.

* Because the “Jedi Mind Trick” only works on Mr. T – and only when Eddie Murphy does it! (For those of you who haven’t seen Eddie Murphy Raw, Mr. T is a reference to the A-Team character, or Clubber Lang, not Mr. Thompson.)
The truth is, spitting lies on blogs simply DOES NOT WORK in changing the conversation. It is an ineffective method. How many people who came away with negative feelings from that STH Conference Call changed their mind after Ridder’s post?
If you go to Hotels.com and read the reviews on a hotel, and the average review is three stars but you see a post or two that give it five stars and call it the best hotel in the country, then you know the person who made that review is probably the one who’s going to answer the phone when you call to make a reservation.
Fans are smarter than that. They know when it’s a genuine fan and when it’s propaganda. Even if they don’t know for sure, they suspect. If you sound remotely too positive, you’ll be written off as an undercover employee. WHICH IS HOW THIS ALL HAPPENED ANYWAY! I wonder why the site managers at WW.net decided to check the IP address of that post? My guess is they were suspicious.

* Because you can’t play both sides of the fence. As I said before, you can’t shape the message and the reaction. That’s just unethical. You undermind the credibility of everything you say if you’re found out to be trying to play both sides of the fence. You want to shape the reaction, you become a fan, pay your hard earned money and invest your extra time into the team. Then and only then will you have earned the right to go on the fan’s side of the fence.
To me, that’s why the fact that it is Raymond Ridder, instead of the assistant GM of ticket sales or something, is so troubling. Ridder is responsible for shaping the message. He disseminates the information about the Warriors. He’s the gate-keeper of what information gets out and what stays in. He is in the meeting when they discuss how to spin stuff and what the talking points are.
He helped craft the whole “talk straight to the fans” mantra the Warriors are on.
He leads the execution of the push to “put the focus back on the players.”
He sets up interviews and pitch ideas to pump up who they want to pump up and get the team’s message out on a certain story.
If fans aren’t feeling the ploys, the answer is to go back to the drawing board, not to hop over the fence and manipulate the fans.

W’s president Robert Rowell, being the savvy business man, knows full well the good businesses, the ones with sustained success, are the businesses that have earned the trust of their clientele. Getting caught pulling stunts like this certainly don’t help the Warriors achieve that.

Marcus Thompson

  • http://www.spunangel.com/morningcalm.html Charles Montgomery

    Really?

    This is due to the excellent work done by Tim Kawakami?

    will you media guys ever stop blowing yourselves?

    The IP address was worked out by the admin at http://www.warriorsworld.net/

    NOT by Kawakami.

    Props to TK for breaking in in the paper world, but really… pay attention..

    This was delivered to him in a digital wrapper.

  • Brian Yamabe

    You guys are doing a great job of investigating the PR and human elements in this story, but the technical side had been lacking. The first day you guys should have understood that an IP address in not tied to a single computer it is tied to an internet connection. That connection can be used by multiple computers using a router. If you are at home and have multiple computers connected to the internet, to the ouside world, all communication will be coming from the same IP address. There is no way for the outside world to distinguish what computer it’s coming from. Most large organizations have the same thing. They don’t have an individual IP addressed for each person (techincally they do, but that’s internal to their network), it’s a shared connection. So this notion that every communication that came from the infamous IP address was from Ridder should have never gotten any legs.

  • James

    Don’t worry about the IP address that shows from the Warriors location being something that could turn this into something it’s not.

    On Warriorsworld, users are required to have a registered and validated account and the default is once they’re logged in, they should stay logged in until they log out.

    In the “Flunkster Dude” case, it sounds like Ridder logged into a computer (his? He did say he was in his office) that may have already been signed in under that account. It’s established he’s left comments under that account before so the norm would have been for his computer to retain the login cookie (likely set to never expire) unless he cleared his cache/cookies at some point.

    That doesn’t mean nobody else ever used the account or even potentially snuck in and posted something under that name without him being aware of it (overall there were 25 posts/comments by that name), but this is a different situation compared to someone like you or another media member using the team’s wifi to post to your own blog or respond to a comment there.

    Checking the IP address of “Flunkster Dude” initially started out as a semi-joke (“Hey, I bet that came from a certain location in Oakland, heh heh”) only to actually be checked and wind up true. The overall mood of Warriorsworld is very down on the front office.

    That’s not to say every person who says something positive about the team is a suspected plant, but most of the people who think things are good have been around a long time and one of them has a known reputation of thinking things are a lot better than they are. Usually if the account is fairly new or it has a low number of posts, suspicion could arise. As long as Warriorsworld has been around, the regulars know each other.

  • Earl

    Marcus, congrats on the birthday and anniversary etc. I have to chide you about one thing. Calling Bobby Rowell a savvy businessman completely ignores his track record. What exactly has he done to earn this accolade? His business is a failure if you measure it by the criteria he used to castigate Chris Mullin recently. His bottom line isn’t nearly what it could be if he actually cared about putting a good team on the floor.

    His organization does what unsuccessful people do – trot out excuses and justifications, try to control perception, and ignore any self-critical thought that might stray by.

    This franchise sucks from the top down.

  • “The Ricker”

    The front office wants to talk directly to fans? Are you kidding me? The front office always filters their “talk directly to fans” through Fitzgerald. What a joke!!!

  • Thomas

    Fitzgerald is a joke. He gives no informatioin. He is in love with Don Nelson, and Rowell. He is a PR stuntmen himself. He probably makes comments from his computer.

  • jsl

    Nice work here, Marcus. Too bad the CCT didn’t have the sense — or cojones — to cover this in print.

    Either your editors are clueless or, worse, afraid of rocking the Warriors’ PR boat. (Maybe that’s why that had you “cover” the Rowell/Riley PC as if it were a simple press release, not a real story.) The Sports Section today was largely stripped of substance, so there was plenty of room for news stories, like this.

    (Cf. The Chron, where ol’ Bruce Jenkins came up with a nice piece on the ’74-’75 Warriors — the last champs — correctly noting how much better and smarter the players and coaches played the game then: real offensive motion, constant substitutions to keep the parts fresh, a sense of “team,” etc; hardly consistent with Nelsonian concepts of arrogance and obduaracy.)

    Too bad; at least The Chron let Ratto do a good column on this farce yesterday. Hope the CCT joins the 21st century at some point before it just disappears as irrelevant.

    Finally, I too was stunned to see you call Rowell a “savvy businessman.” Whence does this come? From extending Nelson BEFORE last season’s disaster? From the Jack extension? From his continuing honesty and candor? Is it his success rate for Warriors’ basketball? Is it just a back-handed way of saying his lying and manipulations have made Cohan money from a community which is wholly captive (or is Cohan getting richer primarily because of Stern’s TV contract sophistication)? Maybe he was a great low-level admin guy at Cal Poly?

    But is there any evidence that he’s “savvy” in a business sense? He looks like a total loser, liar, flunkster dude to most of us, I’d say. And he’s helped run a pretty good franchise into the ground. Nothing “savvy” that many of us can see here.

  • “The Ricker”

    Yes I agree Fitzgerald is a joke!!!! He should be fired from KNBR.

  • “The Ricker”

    Marcus,

    Where’s Geoff Lepper these days?

  • zeelurker

    I think it is fair to call Rowell a savvy businessman, although it’s not in the context that team fans would like. Remember making the play-offs does not mean the team is profitable, nor does missing the play-offs mean the team is losing money. I’d venture to guess the team has been VERY profitable despite the team’s record of futility during the time Rowell has run the team. Therefore, you could say Rowell was a savvy businessman if you only looked at profitability. Of course, the primary focus on the bottom line won’t make the fans happy but when have Cohen & company showed they cared about the fans?

  • colonel

    for those of you asking:
    http://twitter.com/geofflepper

    most recent entry:
    Packing for a long weekend in Chicago, going to see the Sox and Rangers on Saturday.
    1:21 AM May 8th

  • commish

    To those of you who took Marcus on for calling Rowell astute, bite your tongues. Of course he’s an astute businessman. He seperates us from our hard earned money by investing in a marketing department who can figure out how to turn a shit basketball product into money for the franchise. The guy is Houdini for crying out loud. Of course he has the morals and conscience of Madoff, with the same amount of remorse. Meanwhile, Cohan, Rowell and the $6 Million Dollar Man–Don Nelson–laugh all the way to the bank.

    I do have to totally agree with jsl when he, imho, correctly criticizes the CC Times for running no as in ZERO story about all of this in the newspaper itself. Personally, I have been hypercritical of the Times for not calling out these hopeless mopes since early in the season when Nelson went back on two fundamental promises: first, to work on defense in training camp and second, to develop the younger players. Of course we know he eventually gave up on defense all together and created the NBA equivalent of a “defensive coordinator” in Keith Smart; and simply played the vets into the ground until injuries stopped that strategy. And, of course, speaking of stonewalling and the CC Times, we still have Harrington on Marcus’ blog’s header. Is there no shame!

    All of that aside, Marcus, congrats on your daughter’s birthday, the safe return of your sister from Harm’s Way, and your upcoming wedding anniversary. Enjoy your time off until the draft brings you back to the reality of Dub basketball.

  • A’s in 2009

    Happy Anniversary!

    Everything I wanted to say has already been said.

    I’ll say this, I agree with Ridder on one thing!
    “Drafts are all about potential and value. No one on the board had more of either than Randolph”

    EXACTLY! PLEASE DRAFT A HIGH POTENTIAL PLAYER AT #7! All this talk with Riley wanting a 4-year college player makes me shake me head. Drafting a 4-year guy would be a reach in this draft. Stuff like that is how you end up Todd Fuller instead of Kobe Bryant. Don’t do it!

  • A’s in 2009

    “The fourth was me answering a question posted on my blog on draft night.”

    Ooops, that was actually you MT2! I completely agree. :D

  • Kyle

    I really think this story is a distraction from the real story, which is the Warriors are about to probably make some really stupid offseason moves.

  • darkknight01

    Why aren’t the local papers covering this fiasco as much as they should be?? Hmmm….Yeah Fitz and Brooks are a couple of condenscending a holes who talk down to their audience and keep people on hold for an hour. That show is a joke and the only reason he is still there is because he is KNBR’s puppy who they raised to be a corporate tool 15 years ago.

    Here is my updated Warrior board….

    Tyreke Evans- tall, athletic big guard who can play the point, is excellant slasher, driving to basket and can play defense, needs to work on jumper. Potential to develop into a Derrick Rose type of player. Able to fit right in to W’s style of play. W’s need to see how he would fit handling the ball.

    Brandon Jennings- smallish PG will need a couple of years to develop and make an impact IMO. Good passer and needs to be more patient when finding his shot. Plenty of talent there but needs to get stronger and play better defense…will he compliment the rest of the players or not help at all. Brings energy and likes to be the player that leads the team up and down the floor and be the extension of the coach.

    Jordan Hill- 6-10 power forward who is energetic, can run the floor is athletic, and is a solid rebounder. Can move laterally….not afraid to bang and has a soft touch around the rim. Physical and shot blocker who will get stronger and can finish with dunks around the basket can hit an 8 foot jumper but needs to develop a 10 footer.

    Earl Clark- athletic 6-9 small forward/power forward along the lines of Wright and Randolph already though. Can cause matchup problems and can grab rebounds but needs to develop jumper and learn some more slashing moves.

    Demar Derozan- another athletic big small forward type who is a good offensive rebounder, and is more of big swingman who needs to develop a jumper. Do the W’s need another swingman though?

  • Perry

    None of the rookies on the board are going to do shit for us this year, next year, or 5 years from now.

    Either are the players we currently have on the squad.

    The only way to make this squad a playoff team in 2009-2010 is to acquire a big name, established player who can take over in the 4th quarter.

    Anything less will mean a last place Pacific Division finish in 2009-2010.

    Don’t fool yourselves, there is a good possibility we will be even worse in 2009-2010 than we were in 2008-2009.

    This organization is in big, big trouble……for those who cannot see that, I really feel sorry for you and feel that you don’t know enough about NBA basketball if you think that the 2009-2010 Warriors are “close” or are moving “in the right direction.”

    We are very far from being a playoff team,…….Utah, New Orleans got their cocks dragged all over the floor in the first round of the 2008-2009 playoffs, how the hell are we going to make the playoffs when we can’t even beat the teams that were destroyed in the 1st round?

    We are so far away from Denver, Houston and Los Angeles, it’s like we are on a completely different planet as far as NBA basketball.

    Making up that margin would take a major overhaul, a big move, similar to the BD trade.

  • CURSE OF MULLIN

    MT2: It is Tuesday afternoon, and Ray Ridder still has his job? His conduct was totally unethical and probably illegal (see, e.g., the federal wire fraud statute)–and he still has his job? Any other franchise would have fired him by Saturday. Unless, of course, Rowell & Co. knew of this type of conduct and supported it. Do we need any more evidence that the Warriors’ ownership/management is unethical and corrupt? MT2, does that equal “saavy”? Not in my book.

  • AirplaneRider

    The bay area media becomes more of a joke with every blog post that TK and now sadly MT makes. Um, anything happening in the NBA today? Or do you and TK just want to hang out make a pillow fort in the living and play nancy drew/hardey boys detective on a laughable non-issue.

    It doesn’t take a Warriors employee to say you guys are laughably incompetent when it comes to covering the team. Don’t get me wrong though. You guys are superb when it comes to making up irrelevant bullshit that has nothing to do with basketball. Especially TK.

    Does anyone really care about how much you guys hate the Warriors management? Seriously? Is that what your readers want?

  • AirplaneRider

    “Because Warriors fans deserve better. They deserve more than deceit and propaganda. Want to make the conversation positive? PUT A BETTER TEAM ON THE COURT. Want to make the conversation positive? WIN.
    Considering all of the loyalty, all of the money fans have pumped into the organization, the least the Warriors can do is be straight up and take the heat. Deal with the criticism. Swallow the negativity. Justified or no. Credible or not. Suck it up. After all, you did win 29 games and missed the playoffs for the 14th time in 15 seasons.

    Is that really the best you’ve got? I read better comments from the 14 year olds at warriorsworld. Did you not pay attention in 2 of the last 3 years when the Warriors have had winning and fun seasons? What did you expect the Warriors to do last year anyway? Follow Monta around 24/7 and make sure he didn’t ride any mopeds all Summer? Seriously, I think you guys just whine because you have nothing better to write.

    As a long time (25+ year) fan of the team, I would rather the whiners go away and not follow the Warriors. You guys hate the team anyway. So get lost. I know poor MT and TK have got to continue to follow the team as it’s their shitty job. So they’ll keep up the negativity. But for everyone else who hates the Warriors, why are you wasting time whining? No one cares what you think, especially the Warriors.

  • blahblahblah

    AirplaneRider…your name fits in many ways:

    1) your head is in the clouds

    2) you must be high

    3) you enjoy paying exorbitant prices for tickets while getting less and less service and quality from the experience

    Stop drinking the cool-aid bro….you sound like the next FO plant with your defense of the indefensable.

    I’m a 20+ year fan, I love the Warriors – but the front office is a joke, always has been since I’ve been paying attention.

    Guys like you who lap up the spin drippings from Ray Ridder and Bobby Rowell like it’s water in your doggy bowl are the ones who enable this crud to continue for decades.

  • petaluman

    Marcus,

    Any chance one of the local reporters might cover some basketball-related news?

    1) NBA Combine starts tomorrow. The invitation list:
    Jeff Adrien Connecticut
    Rodrigue Beaubois Cholet (France)
    DeJuan Blair Pittsburgh
    Jon Brockman Washington
    Derrick Brown Xavier
    Chase Budinger Arizona
    Nick Calathes Florida
    DeMarre Carroll Missouri
    Omri Casspi Maccabi Elite (Israel)
    Dionte Christmas Temple
    Earl Clark Louisville
    Darren Collison UCLA
    Dante Cunningham Villanova
    Stephen Curry Davidson
    Austin Daye Gonzaga
    DeMar DeRozan USC
    Toney Douglas Florida State
    Wayne Ellington North Carolina
    Tyreke Evans Memphis
    Jonny Flynn Syracuse
    Taj Gibson USC
    Danny Green North Carolina
    Blake Griffin Oklahoma
    Tyler Hansbrough North Carolina
    Luke Harangody Notre Dame
    James Harden Arizona State
    Gerald Henderson Duke
    Josh Heytvelt Gonzaga
    Jordan Hill Arizona
    Jrue Holiday UCLA
    Joe Ingles Melbourne South Dragons (Australia)
    Damion James Texas
    James Johnson Wake Forest
    Gani Lawal Georgia Tech
    Ty Lawson North Carolina
    Eric Maynor VCU
    Jack McClinton Miami
    Jerel McNeal Marquette
    Jodie Meeks Kentucky
    Patrick Mills Saint Mary’s
    BJ Mullens Ohio State
    Jeff Pendergraph Arizona State
    AJ Price Connecticut
    Tyler Smith Tennessee
    DaJuan Summers Georgetown
    Jermaine Taylor Central Florida
    Jeff Teague Wake Forest
    Hasheem Thabeet Connecticut
    Marcus Thornton LSU
    Greivis Vasquez Maryland
    Terrence Williams Louisville
    Sam Young Pittsburgh

    Will there be any local coverage?

    2) Three major group workouts scheduled at Golden State on June 1-3, New Jersey on the June 12-14, and Minnesota on June 2-3.

    Golden State Workout (24 invites planned)
    Chase Budinger
    Nick Calathes
    Omri Casspi
    Dionte Christmas
    Darren Collison
    Wayne Ellington
    Taj Gibson
    Tyler Hansbrough
    Luke Harangody
    Joe Ingles
    Damion James
    Gani Lawal
    Eric Maynor
    Patrick Mills
    B.J. Mullens
    A.J. Price
    DaJuan Summers
    Jeff Teague
    Marcus Thornton
    Sam Young

    Teams expected include: GSW, DEN, LAC, OKC, PHX, UTA, IND

    Is the press allowed access to this workout?

  • jsl

    Day 3: And the CCT continues to duck this story, question the Warriors about it, or follow up with Ridder. And what do we have in the Sports Section this morning? Well, very little — and certainly nothing on the Warriors. So, blogs cover it; the national press has been on it; but the locals — not so much and, shamefully, the Times — not at all.

    Can the CCT even purport to compete with The Chron on coverage these days? Doesn’t look like it; rather, it seems as if the CCT is bought and paid for by Cohan-Rowell and their ilk. (Those Warriors buy a lot of adds, I guess; probably told Marcus’s editors what’s what — and they bit on it, tools that they are. Explains why they made MT do that idiotic puff piece on the Rowell-Riley lie fest, without any challenging — read: journalistic — questioning or actual reporting.)

    Marcus, you ought to start thinking about alternatives here — or you, too, could get “Leppered” by these sell-outs. And to think, at one time the CCT actually covered Sports — and the Warriors — pretty well.

  • jsl

    P.S. to Blahblahblah@21: Very, very funny; couldn’t have put it better myself.

    The poor fellow loves Cohan-Rowell-Ridder, etc. — and who knows now, he’s probably one of ‘em. But there’s no love there for the Warriors. Or for basketball, for that matter.

  • blahblahblah

    JSL

    The truly sad thing here is that if the Chron is the high water mark of Warriors coverage it’s even worse out there than you are making it seem for us fans.

    Really, these days any true “fan” knows enough not to wait for the local fishwrap to satiate his/her desire for news and coverage. The two paragraph puff piece is what you will get more often than not these days. Heck, half the time it’s just an AP story anyhow…

    As for myself (and I suspect many on this and other boards) the blog as a source of real time info and in-depth coverage has become more viable than the so called “real” press.

  • Perry

    This team is going nowhere………Have you guys even taken a minute to realize that we cannot beat certain teams in the league, no matter what?

    There are sub .500 teams like Memphis and Sacramento that we lost to in 2008-2009, in some cases at Oracle.

    We couldn’t beat Utah if our lives depended on it. But Utah, didn’t stand a snowflakes chance in hell against the Lakers in the first round.

    If we are so far away from Utah, how far do you think we are from Los Angeles?

    We won 30 games in 2008-2009, the Lakers, our division rival, won 60 games.

    A team in our very own division doubled our win total………that would be like in baseball if Texas or Seattle, the 2 better AL West teams this year, ended up winning 90 games this year, while the A’s won 60 games…………..or if the Dodgers won 100 games, while the Giants won 75.

    We are a terrible NBA franchise and one that is doomed for failure.

    The nice pieces that we have like Corey Maggette, the best player on our squad, hands down. He is the most prolific scorer on our team and the only guy who can take it to the basket consistently. Corey Maggette is our best player.

    These nice pieces need a good coach and a strong organization to develop as a team……….we don’t have any of that.

  • blahblahblah

    Maggette = best ball hog / stat monster / amazing ability to get to the line….

    get rid of him, seriously…he does not make the team better

  • jsl

    BBB@25: Couldn’t agree more — but that’s the problem.

    MT knew that Riley coming out party “press conference” was a farce — but his editors had him play it straight (i.e. as if he were just cut and pasting a press release) and that “story” didn’t even include Riley’s key statement that he “couldn’t see that happening” (re disagreeing with Nelson, right after he said he’d buck him, if necessary).

    The fact that this was EXCLUDED from a news story (MT said his editors didn’t think it wass an important comment — how daft ARE they?) shows abysmal journalistic professionalism (or ethics, for that matter). The CCT just licks Cohan-Rowell’s collective butt, and smiles while doing it. It’s shameful — and they just don’t get it.

    And right you are about The Chron, too. Janny Hu started out great two years ago, but has been pretty worthless since. My guess is that she, like MT, has hands tied by editors. But, at least Ratto got an opinion piece out there that rang true.

    So, we’re all forced to feed our appetite with blogs. Well, at least we’ve got Adam and TK, and MT — though he’s too much the captive — can still bring it, as he showed with the Al story this year.

    P.S. to MT: Here’s yet another potential story: why is it that guys like Pietrus, who play little D under Nelson, all of a sudden get real good at defense when they escape and get some real coaching? And since Nelson ain’t talking in the off-season, what do his assistants (e.g. Smart)have to say about this?

  • A’s in 2009

    I would love more Draft coverage! Our team has been in the lottery 15 of the last 16 years, if you’re a Warrior fan you’re likely a draft freak too. BTW, Warriors.com draft coverage SUCKS, plain and simple. You look at the Toronto site and they give indepth coverage, I’m jealous.

  • http://chriscohansucks.blogspot.com/ Chris Cohan

    Airplane Rider and petaluman have both been staunch team plants for years and years.

    Everyone knows about the KNBR internet folks, right?

    OK, good.
    They’re far worse than the Warriors on this, actually.

  • petaluman

    As a parent, I have a more vested interest in the local HS and college BB scene, actually. The draft is interesting, though. It affects the future of every team in the NBA, and has an immediate impact on the Las Vegas Summer League rosters.

    Of course, it’s extremely unlikely that it will turn the Warriors around this year. Nevertheless, I admit that I’m one of those crazy “old school” fans that want to see the team do well. When did that cease to be the norm?

  • A’s in 2009

    THIS is what I want to see! Lot’s of draft stuff, interviews, video, workout footage.
    http://www.nba.com/raptors/news/2009_draft.html

    Raptors.com > Warriors.com, not even close.

  • Brandon Jennings

    Chad Ford predicts the W’s will take Brandon Jennings. Considering he’s an undersized, shoot-first-think-later guard, he would fit in perfectly. Check out my blog post for the full breakdown:

    http://sfbaysportsblog.blogspot.com/

    @Raymond Ridder: your comments on my blog will be greatly appreciated!

  • zeelurker

    Perry -

    You are the only one who has noticed the team hasn’t gone and isn’t going anywhere. The rest of us just happened to overlook the fact that the team has only made the play-offs once in the 15 seasons Cohen has owned the team.

    As for your Warrior / Utah comparison, a team consisting primarily of Warrior reserves actually beat a full Utah squad in the third to last game of the season. I thought it a was a pretty strong indicator that the Lakers were going to stomp Utah in the first round of the play-offs.

    As for your opinion about Maggette being the best player on the team…. have you watched any games this season?

  • AirplaneRider

    “Chris Cohan Says:
    Airplane Rider and petaluman have both been staunch team plants for years and years.”

    You have no idea how funny and paranoid you sound as I’m just a regular fan who won’t jump on the bash the the Warriors band wagon. Why? Because the whole concept is absurd. No one is twising your arm to be a fan of the team. No one has a gun to your head making you watch or go to the games. So why torture yourself? Please, just go away. The real fans would rather talk basketball than all this conspiracy crap. If you want that kind of garbage go watch a soap opera or go follow politics. This is sports and is simply entertainment. If a show on TV sucks, you stop watching. So please do yourself and everone else here a favor and go away.

    BTW, I’m sure the Warriors management would be thrilled at my post encouraging people to stop being fans.

  • AirplaneRider

    jsl Says:
    “P.S. to MT: Here’s yet another potential story: why is it that guys like Pietrus, who play little D under Nelson, all of a sudden get real good at defense when they escape and get some real coaching?”

    LOL. Have you watched the playoffs at all? Pietrus looks exactly the same as he did in a Warriors uniform. A few moments of good defense and a couple of made 3′s, followed by crappy D, lots of fouls, idiotic plays where he gets himself into trouble handling the ball. Same old Pietrus.

  • AirplaneRider

    Jal Says:
    “The fact that this was EXCLUDED from a news story (MT said his editors didn’t think it wass an important comment — how daft ARE they?) shows abysmal journalistic professionalism (or ethics, for that matter).”

    Actually I’m impressed that they wouldn’t go after this two bit tabloid non-story. It’s the kind of thing that belongs on internet blogs that nobody reads.

  • darkknight01

    AirplaneRider Says:
    May 27th, 2009 at 4:57 am
    Jal Says:
    “The fact that this was EXCLUDED from a news story (MT said his editors didn’t think it wass an important comment — how daft ARE they?) shows abysmal journalistic professionalism (or ethics, for that matter).”

    Actually I’m impressed that they wouldn’t go after this two bit tabloid non-story. It’s the kind of thing that belongs on internet blogs that nobody reads.

    ^^^^^^
    Oh really?

    But then “journalists” decide to keep talking about and debating whether Jamarcus Russell is fat or not??

    Oooookay….?

  • darkknight01

    blahblahblah Says:
    May 26th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
    AirplaneRider…your name fits in many ways:

    1) your head is in the clouds

    2) you must be high

    3) you enjoy paying exorbitant prices for tickets while getting less and less service and quality from the experience

    Stop drinking the cool-aid bro….you sound like the next FO plant with your defense of the indefensable.

    I’m a 20+ year fan, I love the Warriors – but the front office is a joke, always has been since I’ve been paying attention.

    Guys like you who lap up the spin drippings from Ray Ridder and Bobby Rowell like it’s water in your doggy bowl are the ones who enable this crud to continue for decades.

    ^^^^^^^
    Exactly! My uncle and I gave up out season tickets last before last season, because Rowell had the nerve to raise our two seats 4500 to 8500….in the middle of a recession after the team barely missed the playoffs? Greedy IDIOTS….and some poor fool actually bought those two seats at that price if not higher?

    For us to keep the tickets the team needed to make the playoffs and Nelson blew it with weird coaching moves toward the end of the season that cost important games.

    Then look what happens last year…egomaniac idiot Rowell pushes Mullin out the door and doesn’t allow Mullin to keep the heart and soul of the team in Baron Davis and the ship sinks and season ticket holders get ripped off last year for a piss poor product.

    My uncle and

  • darkknight01

    My uncle and I got saw the writing on the wall and got the hell out at the right time. Now we can see this mediocre product on TV with out big screens and keep all that money in out pockets! LOL

  • darkknight01

    AirplaneRider Says:
    May 26th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
    The bay area media becomes more of a joke with every blog post that TK and now sadly MT makes. Um, anything happening in the NBA today? Or do you and TK just want to hang out make a pillow fort in the living and play nancy drew/hardey boys detective on a laughable non-issue.

    It doesn’t take a Warriors employee to say you guys are laughably incompetent when it comes to covering the team. Don’t get me wrong though. You guys are superb when it comes to making up irrelevant bullshit that has nothing to do with basketball. Especially TK.

    Does anyone really care about how much you guys hate the Warriors management? Seriously? Is that what your readers want?

    ^^^^^^
    How does that kool aid taste?

  • petaluman

    No games at the combine this year – too bad. DraftExpress is there, mostly pod-casting right now. Hopefully they’ll write up some impressions. I think the measurements are usually published near the end, and always change a few draft boards.

  • jim back from fishing

    Marcus, You’re right. Just put a better team on the court! It looks like we quickly dismantled an exciting, quality team through lack of vision, no management unity, tight-fisted budgeting: JRich, trade exemption, Pietrus, Barnes, Davis, Harrington. All might be explained in isolation. But together over two seasons? And now a youth kick with a coach who doesn’t like rookies. So much more depressing when the door had opened to set a groundwork. I remember and SI article two years back titled 2 teams in opposite directions. It was the Warriors on the rise and the Lakers on a downturn!

  • jsl

    AirplaneRider @35 just doesn’t get it; and knows precious little about basketball.

    Does this REALLY look like the same Pietrus to you, AR? Well, here’s why.

    He IS the same on offense: baseline threes (usually from the left); nice drives to the hoop, but very poor finishes, doesn’t move much without the ball (mostly planting at the baseline), will throw up shots he can’t make, not particularly good on big free throws, etc.

    But there’s a HUGE difference in his defense this year. It’s committed. He plays much better off screens, he stays on his man — even LeBron (who receives more high screens than a window salesman). He’ll take an elbow to the face — like he did last night — and stay in the game, because he see himself as part of a team. He’s taking LBJ down big-time. (Recall, LeBron’s big Game 2 shot came against Hedo — who was deked on a feint to the hole; MP doesn’t make that mistake, and didn’t last night — when James missed a long one by about two feet as MP played fast around the screen).

    Now, how does one explain just how good a defender MP has become, when he was at best mediocre under Nelson? There’s only one answer: someone has explained that half of the game to him; sat him down and worked with him; constant communication supplemented by encouragement and confidence building. In other words: HE’S BEEN COACHED!!! Zounds, what a concept.

    Orlando can be an awful team to watch on offense — boring, outside shooting tends to predominate (not unlike our Warriors, tho at least the Magic move the ball around better — better coaching). But they get after it on D, where they’re really fun to watch, and Pietrus has led the way with his sterling work — virtually alone — on LeBron.

    If you can’t/won’t see that, AR, you just aren’t paying attention to the game.

    (Indeed, your comments often have the ring of Lyin’ Bobby Rowell to them, they’re so seperated from any basketball substance. Hey, is this RidderGate II? Well, no worries, since the print press hasn’t the cojones to report it anyway; just read the CCT, which has ducked this story like the plague.)

    But hear this: you’ll NEVER see a Nelson coached team that plays good defense. He has no clue — and, at his age, he simply doesn’t care, has no interest in that half of the game. Doesn’t communicate — ask ANY player on the team about his last, or any, conversation with his coach. Always thinks it’s about him, not the team. (Indeed, by his style, he destroys any concept of team; look at some of Jack’s comments.) Stopped coaching the minute Rowell (toi?) handed him that idiotic extension. And took off mentally about a month before flying back to Maui at season’s end (still mumbling, no doubt, about how much he loves Mully, how little he wants to run things, etc.) — where he should stay for good.

    Now, you might not like good defense. You certainly don’t appreciate it — or even know it when you see it. But that’s the facts, Jack.

  • Perry

    No, no, no……….we still have a shitty squad, Corey Maggette is our best offensive player, Stephen is the 3rd option on a Championship team, Monta Ellis’ future is unpredictable, Anthony Randolph makes 1 exciting play and follows it up with 3 stupid turnovers in a 22 minute stretch.

    Don Nelson is indifferent, doesn’t care……..he’s just there to coach, no pressure on himself, he’s got his right hand man, Riley in the GM seat, his butt licker’s Rowell and Cohan listening to his every desire.

    The organization is even more dismantled now than when St. Jean used to push the following starting squad:

    1. Sura
    2. Hughes
    3. Jamison
    4. Fortson
    5. Dampier

    This is among the 5 most pathetic NBA franchises.

  • A’s in 2009

    I’ll take Azubuike over Maggette for simple fact that Maggette on average misses 20+games a year.

    Here’s some TOTALS, here’s what each player contributed to our team last year…

    Maggette:
    950 pts/46.1%FG/25.3% 3PT/282 rebs/92 asts/120 TOs/8 blks

    Azubuike:
    1063 pts/46.4%FG/44.8% 3PT/370 rebs/117 asts/95 TOs/50 blks

    How can you say Maggette is our best player when he’s not even better than Kelenna Azubuike?

  • Burke

    People are making MP to be some kind of defensive genius, but last I looked, Lebron is still getting 40+ a night with about 50% FGP. How is that good defense? It is the rest of the team that is playing good defense on anybody not lebron.
    And where would he have played here had he stayed? The W’s are certainly not short of guards/swingmen. I’m glad he seems to be doing well finally (although he was injured most of the year and isn’t even starting), but don’t miss him.

  • http://chriscohansucks.blogspot.com/ Chris Cohan

    Burkey!

    Back to pimp your bosses’ lame PR ploys agian, huh? Good you’re signing in from home now to avoid the prying eyes.

    You guys are such idiots.

  • http://chriscohansucks.blogspot.com/ Chris Cohan

    I’ll take empty roster spots ove rAzubuike and Maggette.

    Marcus thinks those are both cool guys though.
    He also loves Stephen Jackson and whines loudly for the return of Baron Davis.

  • http://chriscohansucks.blogspot.com/ Chris Cohan

    Airplane Rider:

    You wish. Wow. The incompetence as these tools attack their own fans is simply stunning. This is how they open dialogue and cause a media sensation:

    attacking their fans.

    It might just be brilliant.