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Should the Warriors Take Curry Anyway?

It seems Stephen Curry won’t be working out with the Warriors because he wants to play for the Knicks. But I know for sure people whose opinion matter inside the Warriors organization think highly of Curry.
I’ve been told his basketball IQ is off the charts, he has better court vision than most expect of a shooter, and his athleticism is less of an issue than people think. And the Warriors certainly could use his stroke.
Should Golden State nix Curry’s suspected plans of playing for the Knicks and draft the star guard? (I certainly would and, at the very least, make the Knicks pay for him. Even if it’s a second-round pick.) If he’s the guy they want, should they let his desire to play elsewhere get in the way?

Marcus Thompson

  • Kommon Senze

    Thank you for proving once again, Perry, that you never managed to progress out of the 3rd grade. Profanity is such a clear sign of your intelligence.. I think I’ll have to change my thinking and agree with all your points, now that you’ve used the powerful M-Fer term.

    Being aggressive is not even a definable strategy. It’s an ambiguous way for you to express your frustration, but not a plan any team could follow. It still doesn’t make a bad idea good, either.

    The team had a horrid season; get over it. You deserve all the smack being thrown your way because you take everything waaay too seriously.

    Chill out, Perry. The world won’t end because the Warriors won’t trade Randolph for Rent-a-Bosh.

  • Perry

    “MJRG” doesn’t provide any of his own lame insights anymore, ……..he just agrees with a bunch of fucking toolbags like “JSL” and “Kommon”……..and costantly laughs ……how many fucking “Lol’s” can 1 man put in a fucking post for god sake………

  • Perry

    I just want a winning team………..

    I have my opinions for what a winning team is…..other have theirs.

    Both teams in the Finals had a dominant low post presence.

    Veterans are the difference makers in the NBA playoffs and Finals……..Derek Fisher; RObert Horry……..

    Young teams bowed out in the first round……Portland, Chicago (although I like them and they play tough)

    We were left with the veteran Lakers and a pretty veteran Orlando squad, 3/5 of their starting line-up: Turkoglu, Lewis, Alston (if Nelson’s in there, he’s a veteran too) are veterans.

    The Lakers, D. Fish, # 24, Gasol, L. Odom, …..veterans.

    The guys who win the big games………veterans…..D. Fisher, Robert Horry……

    We need those type of players……..otherwise…….. in a tough Western Conference……….we’re going absolutely nowhere.

  • Kommon Senze

    The Lakers didn’t trade away Bynum to get Gasol. The Magic didn’t trade away Nelson or Howard to get veterans like Turkoglu or Alston. Yet, by recommending a trade away of Randolph for Bosh, that’s precisely what you are suggesting.

    Randolph may never be as good as Bosh; I get it. But do you trade him away (at 19 years old and on a cheap contract that you control for 3 more years) for a player who probably won’t want to stay beyond this year as he has a major pay-day coming up and a ton of teams that will likely vye for his attention?

    If Bosh shows a keen interest in playing for the Warriors long-term, the risk of giving away top value for him is too great. He’s contemplating leaving Toronto because the team isn’t winning, too. Will the Warriors be any better if they send off a lot of their promising pieces to acquire him (and that’s what it will take)?

    We can get an Alston type of player via FA. Stephen Jackson is a veteran; so is Maggette. So is Crawford. Why aren’t you touting them?

    Point being, you’re all over the place with your ideas. You’re angry. We can tell that. Your anger and frustration are not reasons to do something rash or do something without a plan. Isiah Thomas was “aggressive” in New York trying to trade away pieces to change his team, and he never managed to have even one .500 season. That is not the model the Warriors want to emulate.

  • zeelurker

    I can understand trading away a very promising young player if your team appears to be one player away from winning a championship. However, trading away Randolph, the team’s most promising young player, for a one year rental of Bosh is exactly the type of short-sighted move that results in the Warriors constantly missing the play-offs ever since Chris Cohen with the help of his lap dog Robert Rowell screwed the pooch for fans.

    Don’t delude yourselves into thinking Bosh will stay for more then one year. Given the well publicized problems with ownership and management, the team can’t even get some potential draftees who should be available around the seventh pick to work out for them.

  • darkknight01

    # Kommon Senze Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Gee, darkknight.. your brilliant use of the word douchebag has left me dumbfounded. What can I say? Mea culpa. You’re the winner.

    Not.

    I never said that a deal for Bosh is not possible, and I’m more than capable of providing ideas. My point is that none of the ideas proposed are even remotely realistic. They smell like ideas that a ‘fan’ and not a NBA gm would come up with, especially when they DON’T WORK under the CBA rules.

    Capiche?

    I think Bosh might be had for a package of Ellis, Wright, and a future pick from the Warrios (not the other way around), but my point has been.. what, exactly, do you think the Warriors have to offer Bosh that will make him want to sign long-term vs. potentially go to any number of teams next off-season? That’s the part of the equation all of you fantasy owners keep missing.

    Trading for one year of Bosh would be a classic Warrior move to make; trade away your young stars for a player that won’t be around long enough to make a difference. Bosh would be the best player they’ve ever acquired, so that would be a coup unto itself, but beyond that.. the Warriors would need to get assurances that he’ll sign a long-term deal, or else the risk is too great, imo.

    And B-Diddy coming back is highly unlikely, imo, unless Rowell and Cohan do an about face on their reasons for not signing him to an extension last summer. I appreciate Baron for all that he did while he was wearing blue and gold, but he looked fat, unmotivated, and utterly incapable of hitting a jump-shot last year. Is that really what you want to bring back?

    Fixing this team will require patience, and I think any idea that is not focused on building around the core youngsters (or players that are equal in ability and potential and that are under the Warriors control, contractually, for more than just a year) is a bad plan.

    Anthony Randolph, btw, has grown an inch and added 20 lbs, according to all the recent stories. He’s working out like a madman this summer, which is exactly what you want to see a 19 year old player do. Remember.. he’s 19. That’s the future of this team, and that future is going to be at PF.

    In other words.. I’m not against ideas, and I’m not against acquiring Bosh, but you all have to be realistic in what it will take to acquire him and what the risk is in doing so.

    ^^^^^^
    Yeah us “us fantasy owners” just want the W’s to start winning and get back to the playoffs. What a concept huh Kommon?

    I am a Laker fans first and foremost and I know that maybe blasephemous to some of you simpletons, but I was born and raised in the bay area, and I still root for the W’s and have always rooted for them to do well

    Kommon,

    Offering no personnel moves, not being aggressive and being patient with this W’S team like you seem to be suggesting is a LOSERS mentality. This team is young enough…getting younger is NOT the answer.

    Do you understand that?

  • Perry

    I’m not even going to attempt to respnd to “Kommon” asking me why I don’t tout Corey Maggette, Stephen Jackson, Jamal Crawford , etc.

    Read all of my posts, stupid Jew bastard.

    I have said time and time again that I love Corey Maggette’s game and I think he’s our best scorer and I hope we retain him.

    You are so fucking stupid. Go and read my trade proposals and see that in every post I wrote, “It is pertinent to keep our 3 best scorers: Corey Maggette; Monta Ellis and Stephen Jackson.”

    I’ve always been on Maggette’s side, dumb ass.

    All of posts say that.

    You are so fucking stupid.

    Go and read my posts, nobody on this blog is in Corey Maggette’s corner like I am.

    Ive always liked his game and I hope we keep him.

    Read all of my posts, you obviously haven’t.

    You must have Terrets syndrome or something.

    You just start typing Bull Shit on your keyboard without paying attention to the content in your posts.

  • Perry

    Getting rid of Anthony Randolph does not compare to getting rid of Chris Webber, Anfernee Hardaway,Gilbert Arenas, etc…..

    When “Kommon” says that trading Anthony Randolph would be a “classic Warrior move,” he thinks that AR will end up being as talented as those other guys we got rid of………not even close, “Kommon”……not even close.

    Arenas and Penny were far more talented than AR will ever be. Chris Webber, was a 20ppg, 10rpg guy for a majority of his career…….I just don’t see AR being that guy.

    The time to trade players is when their value is high and when their potentential destination organization is hungry, desperate and eager.

    I think the Toronto Raptors are confused about what exactly they want to do.

    They have been wheeling and dealing like crazy with no positive results………..Sam Vincent, fired, Jason Kapono, offered way too much money then traded, Jermario Moon, good role player, traded, get Jermaine O’Neal, then trade him 5 months later and pick up a swingman in Shawn Marion……

    Do you want a big guy or a swing man, Toronto?

    Do you want Jermaine O’Neal or Shawn Marion?

    They don’t even know that…..it’s obvious……they are almost in as bad a situation as the Warriors.

    Only difference is, they got a reputable GM in Colangelo and 2 players in Bosh and Calderon that are better and tougher than any Warrior player.

    Also, “Kommon”…….weren’t the Celtics being “aggressive” when they picked up Allen and Garnett?

    Weren’t the Lakers being aggressive when they picked up Ariza and Gasol?

    Weren’t the Cavaliers being aggressive when they picked up Mo Williams?

    Turned out pretty bad for those teams, didn’t it, “Kommon?”……They should have been more patient and the Lakers should have kept Brian Cook and Turiaf and started, “under-achieving”, “soft” Andrew Bynum, right?

    The Celtics should have just gone with Wally Sczerbiak and Delonte West, right? They should have stood pat with those guys, instead of getting Allen and Garnett.

    The Cavs should have started Eric Snow, Daniel Gibson or Flip Murray instead of making an “aggressive” push for Mo Williams, right?

  • Jastafan

    Monte why are the warriors so dysfunctional?

  • Jastafan

    Monte why are the golden State Warriors fans so dysfunctional ?

  • Perry

    Great example of my reasoning to be aggressive…………

    At the end of the 2006-2007 season, the Golden State Warriors were flying high, off their first playoff appearance in 12 seasons and the absolute destruction of the 60 win Dallas Mavericks in the 1st round.

    On the other end of the Spectrum, the Boston Celtics had just come off a 20 win season in 2006-2007 and Doc Rivers and Danny Ainge were left holding their nutsacks, wondering if they would have a job the following season.

    Then, what happens, they make the deal for Ray Allen, dumping a bunch of young Bull Shit that hasn’t panned out to this day and they pick up 1 of the best power forwards in the history of this game, in Garnett.

    Now, look at us and look at them…………instead of taking our playoff appearance and building on it, we devided to dismantle everything starting with dumping Richardson’s contract and it all went down hill from there.

    We pulled through in 2007-2008, winning 48 games and losing to Denver every single time we met them……..but we still didn’t improve our team. All we did in the 2007-2008 offseason, was extend Barnes and Pietrus for 1 year…..that’s it.

    With those 1 year deals……the writing was already on the wall that the players were not happy with the way management and ownership was handling things.

    Pietrus was upset, Barnes was upset……..Richardson gone, Al Harrington and Baron Davis picked on by Don Nelson……..and it all imploded into an absolute disaster.

    Now the roles are reversed, Boston has excelled while we have declined……….and look where we were at the end of 2006-2007 and look where Boston was at the end of 2006-2007…………people were calling for Ainge’s and Rivers’ head on a fucking platter after 2006-2007. Save for a miracle, Doc was going to be stripped of his MD title the following season.

    And what did they do, …….they became “aggressive” in acquiriing the right personnel and they won an NBA Championship.

    The Golden State Warriors have all of the surrounding pieces, we have all of the role players and 2nd and 3rd options we need………………All we need now is a superstar to take over in the 4th quarter, and then we will compete for a playoff spot, plain and simple.

  • Kommon Senze

    You’re an idiot, Perry, but the sad thing is you don’t realize it. You contradict yourself, and you can’t keep a single thought straight to save your life.

    First, how many players dream of playing for the Celtics, one of the most storied franchises in NBA history? A team that had recently gotten a new ownership group, to boot? How many players would love to play for the LA Lakers and Phil Jackson? Conversely, how many FA clamor to come to the Warriors? What do you think the reputation of this ownership group is? If you’re going to trade for someone who is going to be a FA, you’d better be sure he’s going to want to stay.

    Second, KG agreed to sign a 3 year extension when he joined the Celtics, which was a key part of the transaction. Pau Gasol was under contract for four years at the time he was acquired. If you had any type of reading comprehension skills you’d see that I’ve never said trading for Bosh was a bad idea.. but trading for Rent-a-Bosh would be. My stipulation was, and always has been, that without an agreement on an extension in place, it’s too risky to part with a player who has the chance to develop into a nice player for someone who is likely gong to leave you high and dry after one season.

    Third, the Celtics, when they acquired KG, had Pierce and Allen in place, two all-star players still in the primes of their careers (Allen is in the twilight, now, but was still coming off a pretty big season when he was acquired). That’s why he agreed to go to the Celtics. It’s also why, as rumor has it, he had earlier balked at a potential trade to the Warriors, because the pieces the Warriors would have had to give up would have left very few pieces, or so KG thought, around him to remain competitive. The Lakers had Kobe Bryant, the best player in the league, Lamar Odom, and a developing Bynum to put around Pau. If the Raptors play hard ball, and Colangelo is no Chris Wallace (Grizzlies GM), and demand more than the crap you’ve been offering (which will get a dial-tone if you called with that as your initial offer, btw), the Warriors would have to think long and hard before making a deal.

    You factor all these things in, Perry, and the likelihood of a Bosh acquisition look very specious. Doesn’t mean the Warriors may not try, but I think it could end very ugly if they mortgage a lot to get him and they don’t have that long-term deal in place to keep him around.

    So, before you start showing what an intolerant, ignorant a-hole you are again, try thinking of a better reason why Bosh is the holy grail. Patience is a virtue, Perry. Apparently you’re the one lacking it.

    BTW – It’s Tourrette’s Syndrome, not terrete’s or however you spelled it, and YOU, not I, are the one demonstrating symptoms with all of your uncontrollable outbursts of profanity and your repetitive blathering.

  • Perry

    Missing the point as usual, “Kommon”.

    Fuck you and your responses to me.

    Not going to respond to you any more, not worth my time.

    I will write what I write and not care about your gay response.

    You miss all of my points, so fuck off.

    I hope your house burns down, with you in it.

    You’re not worth me answering you.

    AR is not the future, he is another athletic, energetic, hard-working young player with no NBA basketball intelligence. See JR Smith, Hakim Warrick, Jermario Moon…….these guys come a dime a dozen.

    Carmello Anthony, LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gay, Al Jefferson……these guys are the future, AR can’t hold those guys’ jock straps.

    Keep trying to block jump shooters from 20 feet out, Anthony, and let’s see how long you stay on the court and stay out of foul trouble.

    Keep making 1 nice move, then following it up with 3 errant passes into the stands, Anthony, you are definitely our future.

    I don’t know who died and made you “blog police” “Kommon?”

    Your have 0 ideas and 0 points of your own.

    You just quickly respond to my posts with your stupid analysis.

    Cam’t say I blame you for getting over-excited about AR though, after all, what do you have to look forward to?………You’re a Warrior fan, for Christ’s sake.

    Let’s face facts, any young player who is remotely exciting or shows a flicker of promise, Warrior fans automatically think he’s the 2nd coming of Christ.

    You guys haven’t seen real talent, that’s why……..you wouldn’t know real NBA talent if it bit you in the ass, “Kommon.”

    You’re used to Todd Fuller, Adonal Foyle, Tom Gugliotta, Bobby Sura, Larry Hughes, Chris Porter, Vonteego Cummings……..

    These are the guys you’re used to……..you’re a loser just like those guys and you deserve a losing organization.

    Put that in YOUR pipe and smoke it!

  • deano

    Perry, KS: Take it outside.

  • Perry

    If we’re so insecure about being a shitty organization and we feel that no player wants to play for us……what’s the point of going on.

    Might as well fold the tent, put the team up for sale and cash in our season tickets.

    Point is, I love basketball and I love the NBA, with MLB being my other favorie major sport..

    I want to see a winning team with quality talent, that’s all.

    You never know until you try.

    I would never have thought we could have gotten players like Stephen Jackson or Al Harrington, never, ever, in my wildest dreams……..let alone, Baron Davis.

    I nearly fell of my chair when we made those acquisitions.

    I was so used to getting guys like Chris Mills and Bobby Sura.

    What’s to say we can’t make moves like that again?

    New Orleans was desperate when they dumped BD, Carlisle and Jackson didn’t get along in Indiana, so they were more than willing to part ways.

    But we also had an aggressive GM……Chris Mullin.

    The guy even made offers to Brand and Arenas before this season……..he could have just sat back, sat on his hands and not even done that.

    We matched Azubuike, we could have said, “To hell with it, we’ll go back to the D-League and find another role scorer like Azubuike, let’s let him sign with our division rival, the Clippers.”

    Instead, we were aggressive.

    Some deals worked out, others did not.

    But we didn’t just sit there and make no effort.

    That is what you want to do, “Kommon”….be patient, sit and wait and see what happens.

    You’re willing to be patient? Are you kidding me?

    30 years and 3 playoff appearances……and you’re willing to be patient, “Kommon?”

    It’s beyond being patient now,……it’s desperation time!

  • Perry

    I hope you guys don’t think a 4 month off-season, Anthony Randolph working out 3 times a day, and a new GM is going to automatically make us into a great team, come 2009-2010.

    The biggest win improvements most teams make from prior seasons is about 17 games max……meaning, even the best teams that improve their win total from the previous year, improve it by 17 games max….that would be considered a great improvement,…..with the 2007-2008 Celtics being the only exception to that rule.

    So based on that, 30 wins last year, best case scenario next year, we improve 17 games and we win 47 games…………..still probably not enough for a playoff spot……

    If we stand pat, keep the same, old coach, and this ridiculous new GM and hope and pray that Anthony Randolph is the 2nd coming of Elgin Baylor……then wer’re just setting ourselves up for failure.

    Great teams don’t do that. Great teams are pro-active and aggressive, but we’re not a great team.

    Are we magically going to transform into a playoff team in 5 months? …….With the same players, the same coach and a brand new GM and no direction at all?

    No, we’re not…….we need a major move to put us in contention,…….until then, we’re just kidding ourselves.

  • MRFJG_SON

    LOL…this is just comedy now and ohh yes that is anotha lol can you handle it perry… So are you no longer a warrior fan now b/c you can’t take any criticism on your posts? If so, than today is the happiest day of my life cuz I no longer have to read your posts anymore. (Side-note: I could have said stupid, idiotic, or dumbass f-ing opinions but I will leave all the swearing up to you since you do it so well. Your like a degenerate gambler that doesn’t think they have a problem, comedy.)

    Ohh and you should look up tourettes b/c you have been the only one dabbling in it. Maybe you should check out bi-polar too, I don’t know just a thought.

    Either way, Just picking out one thing out of the many that you have said when you were talking about the celtics getting KG and a little on AR. First why didn’t you mention the fact that one of the big reasons that KG got dealt to Boston was the fact that Ainge and Mchale are friends and since Ainge was on the hot seat, like you stated, his boy Mchale helped him out.

    I don’t think that you can resonably say that if they were not friends that the deal would have been pulled off. So to gloss over that fact and make it seem like this was a shrewd move by Ainge to get a FA is ridiculous. Ainge had help and if he hadn’t landed KG Allen would have never went to Boston.

    All of this leads to my point that the Dubs FO, doesn’t have those types of friends to make these types of deals without giving up the farm. Nellie’s cred around the league has gone down and no one even knows who Riley or Rowell are, other than the guys who let Nellie make the decisions. So to just make it seem like it was that easy for Boston to pull off the deal to get KG is a little ridiculous. I mean if that is the case, we should trade for Lebron james or D-Wade, hey we might even be able to get Kobe.

    Finally you keep saying AR is this and AR is that, the dude is 19. Once again so that way you don’t misinterpret it, HE IS 19. How many of the superstars of today that came into the league when they were 19 didn’t make mistakes or cause turnovers or had low basketball IQ. Kobe, KG, Lebron, even CARMELO made mistakes when they first stepped into the league. The big difference with them is that at least they got playing time when they came into the league to work through the growing pains. What did AR get 1/2 a season on top of being yo-yoing his PT? All I am saying is that all of the guys that i mentoned above had a spark and detertmination and had to learn how to play in the league which is why they are at the status they are at now. AR has that and to give up on him at 19 just b/c you think he is the next swift or warrick would just be an irresponsible move b/c when, not if, he becomes a top tier player he will hopefully still be with the warriors.

    Look Perry, everyone has their opinion just don’t get so angry about it and go all postal. there is no reason to, they are just comments. No one is face to face here but by going off like you do, you just negate any possible good point that you might have.

    Either way,

  • Kommon Senze

    darkknight..

    I’m not saying the team should not make any moves, nor that they need to get younger. Perhaps you’re incapable of understanding the points I made earlier, which was simply to say that the exercise of making up crap trades is pointless to me. You all can continue to fancy yourselves future GMs if you’d like, but if that’s what’s your going to do, I’m going to call out the flaws of the ideas.

    When an idea cannot physically be accomplished because it doesn’t even meet basic Collective Bargaining Agreement principles, it doesn’t matter how “aggressive” you’re trying to be with the trade — it’s still a crap idea.

    Do the Warriors need to change things up? Yes, they do. And I’d expect that a trade could be in the offing, but it shouldn’t be one that trades away a potential cornerstone player, like Randolph, for a 1-year rental, like Bosh. IF Bosh can be signed to an extension, then sure.. that may change things. Bosh has stated, though, that he is not interested in signing an extension now. He’s stated that whatever he does sign, it will have to be for the MAX, and he will assess his situation again next summer. Why is he holding his card until then? Because there are several teams, many in much better situations than the Warriors, that may come calling for his services.

    It’s not about being a “loser” or accepting defeat, darkknight. It’s about being realistic. That’s why I call you all ‘fantasy’ GMs, because you’re living in a world of make believe. Any idea, if it’s going to be taken seriously, has to factor in more than just personnel. This isn’t a fantasy league, where the personalities of the team ownerhship, players, etc. have no bearing. It’s not a league where you can just trade your two crap players for another team’s star because you think you can slip a fast one on him.

    Even the Grizzlies, who looked like they gave Pau Gasol away, did the trade because they got cap space, draft picks, and a prospect in Marc Gasol who turned out to be pretty good. A deal of Maggette, Crawford, Wright, and a #7 doesn’t give the Raptors cap-space, which is a key consideration in any deal for Colangelo unless he’s getting a player of comparable ability to Bosh.

    You want a more ‘realistic’ idea?

    The Detroit Pistons are supposedly looking at trading Rip Hamilton to gain some cap room to add Ben Gordon and one more premiere FA this summer, like Carlos Boozer. If they are indeed shopping Hamilton, there could be an opportunity for the Warriors to leverage their draft pick and some players to land Hamilton, who could be a really nice compliment to Ellis in the backcourt.

    For example, if Ricky Rubio is gone at #4, but Hasheem Thabeet is still there.. the Sacramento Kings, who want to get rid of Udrih’s long-term deal, might be convinced to make a trade.

    - The Pistons send Rip Hamilton to the Warriors.
    - The Warriors send Crawford, Belinelli + the #7 pick to Sacramento
    - The Kings send Udrih + the #4 pick to Detroit.

    The Pistons will gain nearly $2.5 million in cap space on this deal, and will be able to add Thabeet to their lineup, a player that Dumars has been rumored to be interested in.

    The Warriors add a veteran SG with playmaking skills (6 assists per game after the all-star break this year when he took over point duties from a struggling Stuckey and an injured AI), while clearing a little of the glut.

    The Kings get to cut the final two years off Udrih’s deal for one player (Crawford) who is better and can play a combo-role for them, and another who could be a solid 6th man shooter off the bench (something McCants really wasn’t for them this past year). They also can still probably land the PG that they want (likely Holiday) at #7.

  • Kommon Senze

    Three posts, Perry, and all you’ve done is convince everyone even more that you don’t know a thing about the business of basketball. You’re analysis is all about fantasy trades.

    “You never know until you try?”

    Uh.. when a trade is IMPOSSIBLE because the contract between players and owners says it is IMPOSSIBLE, there is no ‘try’ to it. How many times do you need that point made before you comprehend it.

    You can continue to throw out fantasy ideas, and then follow them up with a stream of profanity, but that doesn’t make the idea any better.

  • Kommon Senze

    I should note, my “idea” isn’t one that I think will go down or that I even think would be considered, but it’s at least one that would work under the current cap restrictions and is, just to prove a point, one that I’ve provided rationale to explain why every team (not just the Warriors) might be interested in making.

  • Perry

    There are other options out there as well…….it’s not just Bosh.

    I mean, I just want a star caliber player, I think that’s what we’re lacking.

    It could be T-Mac, that would be fantastic.

    For all his injury problems, T-Mac is still “deadly” in the 4th quarter…….and that’s where we need the most help. He has range, he has one of the most explosive and straight-formed jump shots in the league, a lot like # 24, when they shoot from the perimeter, they explode off of their legs and make it very difficult to guard. T-Mac is excellent at that…..not to mention his attacks to the basket and his beautiful, explosive finishes.

    Other names to ponder are J. Johnson, M. Redd, D. Nowitzki……..all along the lines of players that I think can take over in the 4th quarter, something we need the most, in my opinion.

  • earl monroe

    Interestingly enough it does not sound like Riley and Nelson have given up on the Monta at point guard experiment. “we want to make sure, Monta understands we want him to make others better” And the way that the Magic played in the post season has probably fueled Nelson’s penchant for off line ups and 3 point shooting, this would be fine and dandy if the Warriors played in the eastern conference or had Dwight Howard in the post. Only one player needs to be moved, and that is Stephen Jackson, then I would be happy to put up with re-building.
    Its too early to give up on Randolph, he is only 20 and may be a monster in a year and a half, my guess is that the first name that comes up when trying to deal with the Warriors is Randolph, that in itself should say something.
    If the Lakers can play Gasol and Bynum together, the Warriors are certainly going to have to look into playing 2 bigs together,
    because the future in the West is going to run thru the Lakers for a while.

    I must say, as a fan I enjoy the small ball lineups that Nelson throws out, also like the idea of Randolph at the point.
    This is only short term though.

  • Perry

    It’s so evident that “Kommon” is a GSW employee.

    I mean he keeps talking about being patient.

    It’s like he’s in complete denial.

    Rip Hamilton, is a fantastic player and I’ve always liked his game.

    That being said, I think Rip’s ability to take over the game and be a real “go to” option has declined over the past few years.

    Obviously, a winner, a Champion , a disciplined, team-defense guy and an excellent mid range shooter.

    Not enough in my opinion though, figure out a way to acquire Tayshaun Prince in that deal as well and I would be interested.

    That way, you have a perimeter defender in TP, …..and another legitimate offensive threat in Rip Hamilton for our patented Warrior scoring droughts that we seem to go through in every game of every season.

  • Perry

    6 assists after replacing Stuckey in the starting role, yes.

    But what are you going to do, put Hamilton at Point?

    and have the following?:

    1. Ellis
    2. Hamilton
    3. Jackson
    4. Randolph
    5. Biedrins

    We need a 4th quarter “go to” option more than we need Rip’s 6 assists per game……..Rip would be a 2, not a 1, ……he can distribute the ball from 2 as well…..but as a 2, your primary role is to score and that is something that he can do…..but not to the level that the Warriors need.

    We all know that Nelson likes playing Stephen at the 2……I guess he can slide to the 3 if Rip comes, but I’d rather have this:

    1. Ellis
    2. Jackson
    3. T-Mac
    4. Randolph
    5. Biedrins

    6th man: C. Maggette

  • MRFJG_SON

    The only thing that I would have to say about T-mac is that although an interesting proposal, I would have to say you cant be sure he is going to have the same explosion after his injury history and this season’s past arthroscopic knee surgery. If he was 25 I would say yes take a flyer on him but he is gonna be 30. So you don’t know how his knee is going to take to the surgery and unless he is willing to take an MLE to play for the dubs I don’t think he would be the best choice. I like T-Mac but there are a lot of ifs that have to go right for him to come here. Also if I’m not mistaken he is a FA or RFA going into next season, so if he can get a longer term deal else where I think he would take that over an MLE.

  • Kommon Senze

    Rip Hamilton costs half as much as T-Mac, and is equally as productive nowadays (especially when you consider how frequently T-Mac is injured). Also, Hamilton was one of the best “clutch” perfomers in the league statistically (http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM), while McGrady was nowhere near the top of the league, and shot a horrid .250 FG Pct. in clutch minutes. So, you can cling to the myth that McGrady is a better player, but he’d be a huge mistake to go after, especially since the Warriors would have to give up another big contract to land him, and I doubt Houston would take both Crawford and Maggette even for an oft-injured T-Mac.

    Also, Hamilton does not need to play the PG spot to be a facilitator. My point about his passing is that he adds another ball-handler to the offense, which is a critical component that was missing last year. Nellie’s offense needs guys who can make good decisions with the ball, and Hamilton is clearly that type of player. Since Ellis has yet to show that he’s ready to be a true PG, having a SG that can actually run some plays will help him immensely. It will also take the onus off of Jackson, who is better suited being a secondary ball-handler because he lacks the ability to penetrate.

    Keep imagining I’m an employee, Perry. It makes sense, given that you live in fantasy-land.

  • Kommon Senze

    Oh.. and do you think Detroit is giving up Tayshaun and Hamilton together for anything short of one of our top players? Biedrins or Ellis (maybe both) would have to be included in any deal bringing back their two remaining veterans from the championship. Not happening. Again.. you prove to us all how totally out of step with reality you are.

  • Perry

    The best move the Warrior organization has made in the past 20 years is to put “Kommon Sense” on my ass………

    This guys works for the organization.

    It’s crystal, fucking clear.

    Unbelievable what level these people would stoop too…………nervous about their PR reputation because of a bunch of bloggers.

    A panic move by a panic-stricken organization………..”Kommon Sense”…..ladies and gentleman,………a long time employee of the Golden State Warriors.

  • JustPuked

    Okay, in the hopes of moving things along, here’s the next proposal to shoot down.

    Recent reports suggest the Clippers are, at a minimum, at least listening to trade proposals for the 1st pick (Blake Griffin). The catch is, ANY trade has to start with that team taking on Baron Davis and his 4 year deal. Warrior needs, Leadership, Passing and Low Post Scoring.

    Trade Proposal:

    Clippers Trade:
    1st Pick in the Draft (Blake Griffin)
    Baron Davis

    Warriors Trade:
    7th Pick in the Draft
    Lottery protected 1s

  • JustPuked

    continued:

    Warriors Trade:
    7th Pick in the Draft (Probably Jordan Hill)
    Lottery protected 1st Rd Pick next year
    Jamal Crawford (after he opts in) [replacement for Baron at pg]
    Kelenna Azubuike (after July 24) [originally signed with Clipps]
    Brandan Wright [the updside young talent]

    Clippers rid themselves of Baron’s huge deal and unmotivated (in LA) play. They get a replacement PG that shouldn’t make waves in Jamal. They also still get not one, but two young post player prospects in Hill & Wright. They wanted Kelenna last year to replace the loss of Maggette and they still get him, plus another 1st round draft pick. Baron’s 4 year deal gone, replace with three 2 year deals, adding salary/line-up flexibility.

    Warriors solve issues at pg with Monta and Baron sharing duties. Baron helps fill the leadership void (and what a volatile leader he is, lol). Griffin is our hope for a future low post scorer. As for who plays where, our coach is Don Nelson, he’s going to mix and match the starters and match-ups on a nightly basis. Nellie will play Griffin at C and PF, Randolph at PF and SF, Maggette at PF & SF, Jackson at SF & SG, Ellis at SG & PG and Baron at SG & PG. At Biedrins, Turiaf and Morrow to your rotation and that’s a potent base of talent. (BTW, no starters given up in this proposal, yet the Clips gain two potential starters)

    Question is, did we give up enough to make the trade? Would we have to throw in more picks? Would you make the deal?

  • JustPuked

    BTW, the salaries work, given Crawford opts in and the trade is completed after 7/24 due to Azubuike.

    http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5126452

  • zeelurker

    You can’t trade a lottery protected first for next season, the team sent that pick to New Jersey for Marcus Williams.

  • Kommon Senze

    While I think there may be a desire for the Clippers to get rid of Baron, they will not give up Griffin to part ways with B-Diddy. That trade leaves them back at the bottom of the league and with no real franchise player to be looking to to build the team around.

    If they do trade Griffin (highly unlikely) it would have to be in a deal where they landed another franchise level player in return, and one that would be under their control for several years, as a player like Bosh or Amare could up and leave them just as quickly as they might up and leave the Warriors.

    It is the Clippers, but still.. they’d have to be seriously desperate to give away Griffin for anything that didn’t land them a legit All-Star potential player, and the Warrior package doesn’t have that.

  • Kommon Senze

    If the Warriors were to make an offer for Griffin, I think they might have to start with Ellis, Wright, Azubuike, and the #7 pick, plus a future #1 for Baron and Ricky Davis. They might ask for Anthony Randolph intead of Wright, too, and I’m not sure I’d do that, as I think Randolph, who is 4 months younger than Griffin, is too much to give up in that type of package.

  • JustPuked

    Thank Zee, I fogot about that pay-it-forward bit of brillance from Mullin. Great guy, mixed bag GM.

    KS- Ric Bucher is saying via other GM’s, the Warriors “Untouchables” are Scooter, Goose, and the Ants. Tried to come up with a trade that dpes’t include them. Hard to imagine Clips going for it without at least one involved by gave it a whack.

    I don’t really love any draftee outside of Blake and possibly Rubio. 7 spot seems like a total crap shoot. Despite Nellie’s puppet expressing a need for “beef” and Vets, the team is sorely missing a go to scorer at the end of games more than anything (we’ll save the lack of D for another day).

  • Kommon Senze

    Griffin is the best player in this draft, no doubt, and the only player who has very immediately projectable all-star potential. But is he really better than Randolph?

    Randolph was rebounding at a very high clip all year (10.5 reb per 36, better than all rookies except Kevin Love this past year), and vastly improved his offensive efficiency while cutting down on his TO as the year progressed. He is, as I noted, 4 months YOUNGER than Griffin. He’s also, if recent reports are accurate, almost 2 inches taller than Griffin and with a much longer reach. His potential as a defensive stopper/shot-blocker is much higher.

    The key to Randolph will be whether he can fully realize his offensive potential. Griffin will probably be able to dominate in the low-block immediately, even if his skills are not fully developed, due to his bulk and athleticism. Randolph is needing to develop an effective mid-range game to become a real offensive force. I’m not going to bet against Randolph, though, simply because he has the work ethic, the athleticism, and the youth.

    So, while the draft may not look great after Griffin, I’m not so sure we absolutely need him, either. If the Warriors had the #1 pick, sure.. nab him. But since they don’t, I don’t think mortgaging the team to acquire him makes much sense. I’d much rather go and use those pieces to get an established player, anyway.

  • http://appofmyeye.com Dart

    Honestly, they should pick the best player available and if it is a PG, go for it because we all have seen what happens if you get a great PG? Your fortunes can change over night….

    Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Williams…

    Yes, no won has won a NBA title yet, but at #7, you figure to find one of these than a Lebron James…

  • Lucky_Chris

    Marcus, when you post a new blog update? The draft is this week…

    I think Warriors have to go w/curry if he’s there. I know Monta may be taken aback, but both curry and Monta can play interchangeably the #1. Plus with Monta driving, and kicking, curry will be wide open for long range J’s… Instant offense. Defense can be addressed next. There’s too much of a log jam at the 2/3 on the roster currently that it doesn’t make sense to get one of the athletes with update imo. Plus curry has played a full 4 yrs of college ball, is very very smart, has the nba genes…

  • JustPuked

    I love Randolph. Suggesting a trade for Griffin was about maximizing his potential, not limiting it. Randolph and Griffin can easily co-exist. Considering Nellie as coach and Riley/Rowell’s long term commitment to running a Nellie friendly system…Blake can play both C and PF and Randolph can play PF and SF in said system. Plus both guys aren’t ready for 35 minutes a night anyway and great teams should have at least three “bigs” available in their regular rotation. It’s not a one or the other proposition.

    Two number one’s, and zero starters is hardly mortgaging the team. I pointedly avoided including Monta, Beans, Morrow and Randolph. ANYONE ELSE is readily available. Again, hardly mortgaging the future. Who wouldn’t happily build around a core youthful core of Ellis, Morrow, Randolph, Griffin and Biedrins?

    The Warriors without a go to post scorer will habitually be an also-ran, even if they make the playoffs. Goose is close to maxed as a post player (15 per game as a realistic top end). Randolph may develop in the post but he’s better facing the basket with a plethora of potential skills. Star potential galore but he’d absolutely blossom with someone able to score in the post. Wright is the one guy on the team that’s actually got a gift for scoring in the paint but as a semi-permanent resident in Nellie’s doghouse (in part for his horrid defense) he’s an unreliable option.

    I’d settle for taking Hill despite all the mixed signals in the media. I’m intrigued by Evans (Via Chad Ford : [Evans]…had his way with Flynn and Stephen Curry. He was relentless taking the ball to the basket. As one Kings scout remarked, “It was a man beating up boys.”) Rubio’s the big upside mystery man. Griffin’s the only prize worth trading up for, albeit without mortgaging the teams’s future. On that, agreed.

  • Kommon Senze

    Griffin’s not attainable, so I don’t find the point in continuing to debate how he’d fit in. My point is simply to say, there’s no need to fantasize about Griffin when the future all-star caliber PF may already exist on the roster. That doesn’t mean the Warriors couldn’t use a low-post presence (they absolutely could), but that’s not a priority in a Nellie offense. Until he’s gone, a player who is solely a half-court, isolation, post-player will not be a good fit (Griffin can be more than that, but.. you get my point).

    I think Hill is likely on the radar as a guy who could, at the very least, play backup C to Biedrins and allow Turiaf to see more time at PF. Hill’s acquisition will likely mean sayonara BW, though. Is that a good thing? Not if they just give BW away, but if they can use him to get an asset elsewhere, it could prove useful. I wish he could develop more here, but he’s been injury prone and unable to gain Nellie’s confidence that he’s worth more than short spurts of PT.

    As for Evans, what he did in the workout only proves that teams can’t use PG to guard him, but proves little in terms of his ability to be a PG. Evans Ast/TO ratio was horrendous, and he didn’t impress me with his overall decision making. To me, he looks like a future Larry Hughes type, which isn’t bad, but not necessarily what the Warriors need.

    We’ll see. I think if Tyreke is at #7, they might be able to find a good trade down or out, as some team may want to jump up and grab him. I’m thinking the top guys left on the board for the Warriors will be:

    Hill
    Flynn
    Jennings
    Holiday
    Derozan
    T. Williams
    Clark

    I think they’d like to see Curry drop out of the top-6, though he seems to be climbing not falling.

  • JustPuked

    Ugh. If that list of talent is all that’s available at 7, I sure hope to god there’s a trade in the works (and not the KA and Belinelli for Raja Bell thing). None of those guys seems anywhere close to a sure thing, and ALL of them look like future back-ups. Jennings has a hint of something….but….ugh. Hill seems like the most useful of the group despite all the cries for a point guard. Nellie seems like he’s be perfectly happy to role with Monta and CJ (as depressing as that sounds) at the point. Egads.

    At least Curry seems like a great kid with a high basketball IQ and a sweet stroke. Morrison/Reddick anyone? Again, zero sure things, lots of opportunity to fail miserably with this draft
    .

  • Kommon Senze

    I don’t know that the list gets any better if Evans was to drop down into that list, either. He’s certainly no more sure a thing than some of the others and has his flaws.

    Griffin really appears the only sure thing. Harden is probably the second ‘surest’ thing, although there’s still question as to what his level of production will be at the next level. Thabeet? Rubio? They’re consensus top-5 players, but they have big question marks, as well.

    That’s why I think a trade down or out still remains the most likely direction. Finding a partner is the hard part, but if they can find one, I think they would lean in that direction. That’s just me. I have no access or inside info to back that up, but that would appear the most logical direction for the team to take given the propensities of Nellie and the direction they want to head.

    Curry and Hill make sense, too, but I think those are fall-back plans and could also be red herrings (something Nellie is known to float now and again to keep people from guessing his real intentions).

  • sharon

    There are some interesting arguments within this post. Let’s cut to the chase. The Warriors will never be a relevant successful team as long as Cohen is the owner. It’s as plain and simple as that. Here’s the basic philosophy that potential new ownership must employ in order to right the sinking ship… First having an owner that is willing to go over the luxury tax (if needed) is crucial; especially if you have the shameful reputation that the Cohen ownership group has earned for the Warriors. 2nd when Cohen does spend money he does so unwisely (both on management and players). The Warrior’s only chance is if Cohen sells the team to someone who’s bright enough to dismantle all that is old and then to assemble the right management team. Then the new owner would have to utilize public relations to make it crystal clear that they are willing to spend to build a championship contender. By making it clear that the luxury tax threshold is a line to be crossed under the right circumstances. Those circumstances being to pay talented players to build a realistic contender and a willingness to go over the luxury tax line to retain talent so that you may have sustained excellence. An owner with a strong profile who displayed this basic but essential philosophy would attract (rather quickly) the better talent in the league because the bay area is a supreme geographical location. Great ownership + great location = great team. As long as Cohen is owner better learn to appreciate the NBA as a whole b/c the incompetence and the reluctance to spend will keep all Warriors’ fans perpetually frustrated. Keep praying Cohen sells. And keep praying he sells to someone that is both willing and able to follow the path laid out above.