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		<title>By: sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2009/06/13/should-the-warriors-take-curry-anyway/comment-page-2/#comment-21228</link>
		<dc:creator>sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are some interesting arguments within this post. Let’s cut to the chase. The Warriors will never be a relevant successful team as long as Cohen is the owner. It’s as plain and simple as that. Here’s the basic philosophy that potential new ownership must employ in order to right the sinking ship... First having an owner that is willing to go over the luxury tax (if needed) is crucial; especially if you have the shameful reputation that the Cohen ownership group has earned for the Warriors. 2nd when Cohen does spend money he does so unwisely (both on management and players). The Warrior&#039;s only chance is if Cohen sells the team to someone who&#039;s bright enough to dismantle all that is old and then to assemble the right management team. Then the new owner would have to utilize public relations to make it crystal clear that they are willing to spend to build a championship contender. By making it clear that the luxury tax threshold is a line to be crossed under the right circumstances. Those circumstances being to pay talented players to build a realistic contender and a willingness to go over the luxury tax line to retain talent so that you may have sustained excellence. An owner with a strong profile who displayed this basic but essential philosophy would attract (rather quickly) the better talent in the league because the bay area is a supreme geographical location. Great ownership + great location = great team. As long as Cohen is owner better learn to appreciate the NBA as a whole b/c the incompetence and the reluctance to spend will keep all Warriors’ fans perpetually frustrated. Keep praying Cohen sells. And keep praying he sells to someone that is both willing and able to follow the path laid out above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some interesting arguments within this post. Let’s cut to the chase. The Warriors will never be a relevant successful team as long as Cohen is the owner. It’s as plain and simple as that. Here’s the basic philosophy that potential new ownership must employ in order to right the sinking ship&#8230; First having an owner that is willing to go over the luxury tax (if needed) is crucial; especially if you have the shameful reputation that the Cohen ownership group has earned for the Warriors. 2nd when Cohen does spend money he does so unwisely (both on management and players). The Warrior&#8217;s only chance is if Cohen sells the team to someone who&#8217;s bright enough to dismantle all that is old and then to assemble the right management team. Then the new owner would have to utilize public relations to make it crystal clear that they are willing to spend to build a championship contender. By making it clear that the luxury tax threshold is a line to be crossed under the right circumstances. Those circumstances being to pay talented players to build a realistic contender and a willingness to go over the luxury tax line to retain talent so that you may have sustained excellence. An owner with a strong profile who displayed this basic but essential philosophy would attract (rather quickly) the better talent in the league because the bay area is a supreme geographical location. Great ownership + great location = great team. As long as Cohen is owner better learn to appreciate the NBA as a whole b/c the incompetence and the reluctance to spend will keep all Warriors’ fans perpetually frustrated. Keep praying Cohen sells. And keep praying he sells to someone that is both willing and able to follow the path laid out above.</p>
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		<title>By: Kommon Senze</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2009/06/13/should-the-warriors-take-curry-anyway/comment-page-2/#comment-21227</link>
		<dc:creator>Kommon Senze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know that the list gets any better if Evans was to drop down into that list, either. He&#039;s certainly no more sure a thing than some of the others and has his flaws.

Griffin really appears the only sure thing. Harden is probably the second &#039;surest&#039; thing, although there&#039;s still question as to what his level of production will be at the next level. Thabeet? Rubio? They&#039;re consensus top-5 players, but they have big question marks, as well.

That&#039;s why I think a trade down or out still remains the most likely direction. Finding a partner is the hard part, but if they can find one, I think they would lean in that direction. That&#039;s just me. I have no access or inside info to back that up, but that would appear the most logical direction for the team to take given the propensities of Nellie and the direction they want to head.

Curry and Hill make sense, too, but I think those are fall-back plans and could also be red herrings (something Nellie is known to float now and again to keep people from guessing his real intentions).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that the list gets any better if Evans was to drop down into that list, either. He&#8217;s certainly no more sure a thing than some of the others and has his flaws.</p>
<p>Griffin really appears the only sure thing. Harden is probably the second &#8216;surest&#8217; thing, although there&#8217;s still question as to what his level of production will be at the next level. Thabeet? Rubio? They&#8217;re consensus top-5 players, but they have big question marks, as well.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I think a trade down or out still remains the most likely direction. Finding a partner is the hard part, but if they can find one, I think they would lean in that direction. That&#8217;s just me. I have no access or inside info to back that up, but that would appear the most logical direction for the team to take given the propensities of Nellie and the direction they want to head.</p>
<p>Curry and Hill make sense, too, but I think those are fall-back plans and could also be red herrings (something Nellie is known to float now and again to keep people from guessing his real intentions).</p>
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		<title>By: JustPuked</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustPuked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ugh.  If that list of talent is all that&#039;s available at 7, I sure hope to god there&#039;s a trade in the works (and not the KA and Belinelli for Raja Bell thing).  None of those guys seems anywhere close to a sure thing, and ALL of them look like future back-ups.  Jennings has a hint of something....but....ugh. Hill seems like the most useful of the group despite all the cries for a point guard.  Nellie seems like he&#039;s be perfectly happy to role with Monta and CJ (as depressing as that sounds) at the point.  Egads.

At least Curry seems like a great kid with a high basketball IQ and a sweet stroke.  Morrison/Reddick anyone?  Again, zero sure things, lots of opportunity to fail miserably with this draft
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh.  If that list of talent is all that&#8217;s available at 7, I sure hope to god there&#8217;s a trade in the works (and not the KA and Belinelli for Raja Bell thing).  None of those guys seems anywhere close to a sure thing, and ALL of them look like future back-ups.  Jennings has a hint of something&#8230;.but&#8230;.ugh. Hill seems like the most useful of the group despite all the cries for a point guard.  Nellie seems like he&#8217;s be perfectly happy to role with Monta and CJ (as depressing as that sounds) at the point.  Egads.</p>
<p>At least Curry seems like a great kid with a high basketball IQ and a sweet stroke.  Morrison/Reddick anyone?  Again, zero sure things, lots of opportunity to fail miserably with this draft<br />
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		<title>By: Kommon Senze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kommon Senze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griffin&#039;s not attainable, so I don&#039;t find the point in continuing to debate how he&#039;d fit in. My point is simply to say, there&#039;s no need to fantasize about Griffin when the future all-star caliber PF may already exist on the roster. That doesn&#039;t mean the Warriors couldn&#039;t use a low-post presence (they absolutely could), but that&#039;s not a priority in a Nellie offense. Until he&#039;s gone, a player who is solely a half-court, isolation, post-player will not be a good fit (Griffin can be more than that, but.. you get my point).

I think Hill is likely on the radar as a guy who could, at the very least, play backup C to Biedrins and allow Turiaf to see more time at PF. Hill&#039;s acquisition will likely mean sayonara BW, though. Is that a good thing? Not if they just give BW away, but if they can use him to get an asset elsewhere, it could prove useful. I wish he could develop more here, but he&#039;s been injury prone and unable to gain Nellie&#039;s confidence that he&#039;s worth more than short spurts of PT.

As for Evans, what he did in the workout only proves that teams can&#039;t use PG to guard him, but proves little in terms of his ability to be a PG. Evans Ast/TO ratio was horrendous, and he didn&#039;t impress me with his overall decision making. To me, he looks like a future Larry Hughes type, which isn&#039;t bad, but not necessarily what the Warriors need.

We&#039;ll see. I think if Tyreke is at #7, they might be able to find a good trade down or out, as some team may want to jump up and grab him. I&#039;m thinking the top guys left on the board for the Warriors will be:

Hill
Flynn
Jennings
Holiday
Derozan
T. Williams
Clark

I think they&#039;d like to see Curry drop out of the top-6, though he seems to be climbing not falling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin&#8217;s not attainable, so I don&#8217;t find the point in continuing to debate how he&#8217;d fit in. My point is simply to say, there&#8217;s no need to fantasize about Griffin when the future all-star caliber PF may already exist on the roster. That doesn&#8217;t mean the Warriors couldn&#8217;t use a low-post presence (they absolutely could), but that&#8217;s not a priority in a Nellie offense. Until he&#8217;s gone, a player who is solely a half-court, isolation, post-player will not be a good fit (Griffin can be more than that, but.. you get my point).</p>
<p>I think Hill is likely on the radar as a guy who could, at the very least, play backup C to Biedrins and allow Turiaf to see more time at PF. Hill&#8217;s acquisition will likely mean sayonara BW, though. Is that a good thing? Not if they just give BW away, but if they can use him to get an asset elsewhere, it could prove useful. I wish he could develop more here, but he&#8217;s been injury prone and unable to gain Nellie&#8217;s confidence that he&#8217;s worth more than short spurts of PT.</p>
<p>As for Evans, what he did in the workout only proves that teams can&#8217;t use PG to guard him, but proves little in terms of his ability to be a PG. Evans Ast/TO ratio was horrendous, and he didn&#8217;t impress me with his overall decision making. To me, he looks like a future Larry Hughes type, which isn&#8217;t bad, but not necessarily what the Warriors need.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see. I think if Tyreke is at #7, they might be able to find a good trade down or out, as some team may want to jump up and grab him. I&#8217;m thinking the top guys left on the board for the Warriors will be:</p>
<p>Hill<br />
Flynn<br />
Jennings<br />
Holiday<br />
Derozan<br />
T. Williams<br />
Clark</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;d like to see Curry drop out of the top-6, though he seems to be climbing not falling.</p>
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		<title>By: JustPuked</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustPuked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love Randolph.  Suggesting a trade for Griffin was about maximizing his potential, not limiting it.  Randolph and Griffin can easily co-exist.  Considering Nellie as coach and Riley/Rowell&#039;s long term commitment to running a Nellie friendly system...Blake can play both C and PF and Randolph can play PF and SF in said system.  Plus both guys aren&#039;t ready for 35 minutes a night anyway and great teams should have at least three &quot;bigs&quot; available in their regular rotation.  It&#039;s not a one or the other proposition.

Two number one&#039;s, and zero starters is hardly mortgaging the team.  I pointedly avoided including Monta, Beans, Morrow and Randolph.  ANYONE ELSE is readily available.  Again, hardly mortgaging the future.  Who wouldn&#039;t happily build around a core youthful core of Ellis, Morrow, Randolph, Griffin and Biedrins?

The Warriors without a go to post scorer will habitually be an also-ran, even if they make the playoffs.  Goose is close to maxed as a post player (15 per game as a realistic top end).  Randolph may develop in the post but he&#039;s better facing the basket with a plethora of potential skills.  Star potential galore but he&#039;d absolutely blossom with someone able to score in the post.  Wright is the one guy on the team that&#039;s actually got a gift for scoring in the paint but as a semi-permanent resident in Nellie&#039;s doghouse (in part for his horrid defense) he&#039;s an unreliable option.

I&#039;d settle for taking Hill despite all the mixed signals in the media.  I&#039;m intrigued by Evans  (Via Chad Ford : [Evans]...had his way with Flynn and Stephen Curry. He was relentless taking the ball to the basket. As one Kings scout remarked, &quot;It was a man beating up boys.&quot;)  Rubio&#039;s the big upside mystery man.  Griffin&#039;s the only prize worth trading up for, albeit without mortgaging the teams&#039;s future.  On that, agreed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Randolph.  Suggesting a trade for Griffin was about maximizing his potential, not limiting it.  Randolph and Griffin can easily co-exist.  Considering Nellie as coach and Riley/Rowell&#8217;s long term commitment to running a Nellie friendly system&#8230;Blake can play both C and PF and Randolph can play PF and SF in said system.  Plus both guys aren&#8217;t ready for 35 minutes a night anyway and great teams should have at least three &#8220;bigs&#8221; available in their regular rotation.  It&#8217;s not a one or the other proposition.</p>
<p>Two number one&#8217;s, and zero starters is hardly mortgaging the team.  I pointedly avoided including Monta, Beans, Morrow and Randolph.  ANYONE ELSE is readily available.  Again, hardly mortgaging the future.  Who wouldn&#8217;t happily build around a core youthful core of Ellis, Morrow, Randolph, Griffin and Biedrins?</p>
<p>The Warriors without a go to post scorer will habitually be an also-ran, even if they make the playoffs.  Goose is close to maxed as a post player (15 per game as a realistic top end).  Randolph may develop in the post but he&#8217;s better facing the basket with a plethora of potential skills.  Star potential galore but he&#8217;d absolutely blossom with someone able to score in the post.  Wright is the one guy on the team that&#8217;s actually got a gift for scoring in the paint but as a semi-permanent resident in Nellie&#8217;s doghouse (in part for his horrid defense) he&#8217;s an unreliable option.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d settle for taking Hill despite all the mixed signals in the media.  I&#8217;m intrigued by Evans  (Via Chad Ford : [Evans]&#8230;had his way with Flynn and Stephen Curry. He was relentless taking the ball to the basket. As one Kings scout remarked, &#8220;It was a man beating up boys.&#8221;)  Rubio&#8217;s the big upside mystery man.  Griffin&#8217;s the only prize worth trading up for, albeit without mortgaging the teams&#8217;s future.  On that, agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucky_Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucky_Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcus, when you post a new blog update? The draft is this week...

I think Warriors have to go w/curry if he&#039;s there. I know Monta may be taken aback, but both curry and Monta can play interchangeably the #1. Plus with Monta driving, and kicking, curry will be wide open for long range J&#039;s... Instant offense. Defense can be addressed next. There&#039;s too much of a log jam at the 2/3 on the roster currently that it doesn&#039;t make sense to get one of the athletes with update imo. Plus curry has played a full 4 yrs of college ball, is very very smart, has the nba genes...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus, when you post a new blog update? The draft is this week&#8230;</p>
<p>I think Warriors have to go w/curry if he&#8217;s there. I know Monta may be taken aback, but both curry and Monta can play interchangeably the #1. Plus with Monta driving, and kicking, curry will be wide open for long range J&#8217;s&#8230; Instant offense. Defense can be addressed next. There&#8217;s too much of a log jam at the 2/3 on the roster currently that it doesn&#8217;t make sense to get one of the athletes with update imo. Plus curry has played a full 4 yrs of college ball, is very very smart, has the nba genes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly, they should pick the best player available and if it is a PG, go for it because we all have seen what happens if you get a great PG? Your fortunes can change over night....

Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Williams...

Yes, no won has won a NBA title yet, but at #7, you figure to find one of these than a Lebron James...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, they should pick the best player available and if it is a PG, go for it because we all have seen what happens if you get a great PG? Your fortunes can change over night&#8230;.</p>
<p>Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Williams&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, no won has won a NBA title yet, but at #7, you figure to find one of these than a Lebron James&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kommon Senze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kommon Senze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griffin is the best player in this draft, no doubt, and the only player who has very immediately projectable all-star potential. But is he really better than Randolph?

Randolph was rebounding at a very high clip all year (10.5 reb per 36, better than all rookies except Kevin Love this past year), and vastly improved his offensive efficiency while cutting down on his TO as the year progressed. He is, as I noted, 4 months YOUNGER than Griffin. He&#039;s also, if recent reports are accurate, almost 2 inches taller than Griffin and with a much longer reach. His potential as a defensive stopper/shot-blocker is much higher.

The key to Randolph will be whether he can fully realize his offensive potential. Griffin will probably be able to dominate in the low-block immediately, even if his skills are not fully developed, due to his bulk and athleticism. Randolph is needing to develop an effective mid-range game to become a real offensive force. I&#039;m not going to bet against Randolph, though, simply because he has the work ethic, the athleticism, and the youth.

So, while the draft may not look great after Griffin, I&#039;m not so sure we absolutely need him, either. If the Warriors had the #1 pick, sure.. nab him. But since they don&#039;t, I don&#039;t think mortgaging the team to acquire him makes much sense. I&#039;d much rather go and use those pieces to get an established player, anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin is the best player in this draft, no doubt, and the only player who has very immediately projectable all-star potential. But is he really better than Randolph?</p>
<p>Randolph was rebounding at a very high clip all year (10.5 reb per 36, better than all rookies except Kevin Love this past year), and vastly improved his offensive efficiency while cutting down on his TO as the year progressed. He is, as I noted, 4 months YOUNGER than Griffin. He&#8217;s also, if recent reports are accurate, almost 2 inches taller than Griffin and with a much longer reach. His potential as a defensive stopper/shot-blocker is much higher.</p>
<p>The key to Randolph will be whether he can fully realize his offensive potential. Griffin will probably be able to dominate in the low-block immediately, even if his skills are not fully developed, due to his bulk and athleticism. Randolph is needing to develop an effective mid-range game to become a real offensive force. I&#8217;m not going to bet against Randolph, though, simply because he has the work ethic, the athleticism, and the youth.</p>
<p>So, while the draft may not look great after Griffin, I&#8217;m not so sure we absolutely need him, either. If the Warriors had the #1 pick, sure.. nab him. But since they don&#8217;t, I don&#8217;t think mortgaging the team to acquire him makes much sense. I&#8217;d much rather go and use those pieces to get an established player, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: JustPuked</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustPuked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank Zee, I fogot about that pay-it-forward bit of brillance from Mullin. Great guy, mixed bag GM.

KS- Ric Bucher is saying via other GM&#039;s, the Warriors &quot;Untouchables&quot; are Scooter, Goose, and the Ants. Tried to come up with a trade that dpes&#039;t include them. Hard to imagine Clips going for it without at least one involved by gave it a whack.

I don&#039;t really love any draftee outside of Blake and possibly Rubio. 7 spot seems like a total crap shoot. Despite Nellie&#039;s puppet expressing a need for &quot;beef&quot; and Vets, the team is sorely missing a go to scorer at the end of games more than anything (we&#039;ll save the lack of D for another day).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank Zee, I fogot about that pay-it-forward bit of brillance from Mullin. Great guy, mixed bag GM.</p>
<p>KS- Ric Bucher is saying via other GM&#8217;s, the Warriors &#8220;Untouchables&#8221; are Scooter, Goose, and the Ants. Tried to come up with a trade that dpes&#8217;t include them. Hard to imagine Clips going for it without at least one involved by gave it a whack.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really love any draftee outside of Blake and possibly Rubio. 7 spot seems like a total crap shoot. Despite Nellie&#8217;s puppet expressing a need for &#8220;beef&#8221; and Vets, the team is sorely missing a go to scorer at the end of games more than anything (we&#8217;ll save the lack of D for another day).</p>
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		<title>By: Kommon Senze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kommon Senze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the Warriors were to make an offer for Griffin, I think they might have to start with Ellis, Wright, Azubuike, and the #7 pick, plus a future #1 for Baron and Ricky Davis. They might ask for Anthony Randolph intead of Wright, too, and I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d do that, as I think Randolph, who is 4 months younger than Griffin, is too much to give up in that type of package.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Warriors were to make an offer for Griffin, I think they might have to start with Ellis, Wright, Azubuike, and the #7 pick, plus a future #1 for Baron and Ricky Davis. They might ask for Anthony Randolph intead of Wright, too, and I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d do that, as I think Randolph, who is 4 months younger than Griffin, is too much to give up in that type of package.</p>
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