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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone seems to think CJ is out of here. He&#039;s a restricted free agent, so the W&#039;s can match Orlando if they make an offer. The question is whether Nellie likes him enough to match the offer.

I haven&#039;t seen anything from Law to think he&#039;s close to CJ. Also many times last year CJ came in and really picked up the pace of the game. Curry will have lots of growing pains this year, so pairing him with CJ while Curry develops is the best option for the W&#039;s.

If Nellie is serious about keeping Monta at 2, then the W&#039;s need to match any offer for CJ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone seems to think CJ is out of here. He&#8217;s a restricted free agent, so the W&#8217;s can match Orlando if they make an offer. The question is whether Nellie likes him enough to match the offer.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen anything from Law to think he&#8217;s close to CJ. Also many times last year CJ came in and really picked up the pace of the game. Curry will have lots of growing pains this year, so pairing him with CJ while Curry develops is the best option for the W&#8217;s.</p>
<p>If Nellie is serious about keeping Monta at 2, then the W&#8217;s need to match any offer for CJ.</p>
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		<title>By: Tdubb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tdubb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw Law live twice, he is not the guy from Texas everyone was so high on.  His offensive game disappeared with his confidence. He&#039;s not aggressive anymore.  If CJ Watson is out of here and by all accounts he&#039;s on his way to Orlando, give me Earl Watson from the OKC.  He&#039;s been released and at 30 year&#039;s old I&#039;m sure he would love Nelson&#039;s system.

He&#039;s a tough minded vet and he would be a good mentor for Curry.  Not sure what the money looks like but I know whenever he played Baron, he gave him fits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Law live twice, he is not the guy from Texas everyone was so high on.  His offensive game disappeared with his confidence. He&#8217;s not aggressive anymore.  If CJ Watson is out of here and by all accounts he&#8217;s on his way to Orlando, give me Earl Watson from the OKC.  He&#8217;s been released and at 30 year&#8217;s old I&#8217;m sure he would love Nelson&#8217;s system.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a tough minded vet and he would be a good mentor for Curry.  Not sure what the money looks like but I know whenever he played Baron, he gave him fits.</p>
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		<title>By: sartre</title>
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		<dc:creator>sartre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know you don&#039;t rate Law, Marcus.  But with CJ potentially leaving the franchise he&#039;s the closest thing we have to a true PG.  I thought in the last game he showed something by creating opportunities for his and others shots through taking the ball up the court with speed and guile.  At times too the team in general seemed to function more smoothly and efficiently when he was running it.  He doesn&#039;t have the younger man&#039;s upside and some of his present strengths but Law might fill a useful role while Curry is still finding his feet and developing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you don&#8217;t rate Law, Marcus.  But with CJ potentially leaving the franchise he&#8217;s the closest thing we have to a true PG.  I thought in the last game he showed something by creating opportunities for his and others shots through taking the ball up the court with speed and guile.  At times too the team in general seemed to function more smoothly and efficiently when he was running it.  He doesn&#8217;t have the younger man&#8217;s upside and some of his present strengths but Law might fill a useful role while Curry is still finding his feet and developing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To all above who want to package the majority of our &quot;unproven&quot; youth...it should be noted that virtually all of the trades noted by Perry (#8) above were made by teams with established veteran cores who simply added talent via trade to maintain their already competitive position.  The W&#039;s are nowhere near the point of merely needing to &quot;add&quot; to their core.  We&#039;re not one player away from a 4th seed...Relax everybody...we need to grow an actual &quot;Core&quot; before we think about trading away assets for veteran talent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all above who want to package the majority of our &#8220;unproven&#8221; youth&#8230;it should be noted that virtually all of the trades noted by Perry (#8) above were made by teams with established veteran cores who simply added talent via trade to maintain their already competitive position.  The W&#8217;s are nowhere near the point of merely needing to &#8220;add&#8221; to their core.  We&#8217;re not one player away from a 4th seed&#8230;Relax everybody&#8230;we need to grow an actual &#8220;Core&#8221; before we think about trading away assets for veteran talent.</p>
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		<title>By: OptimusPrime</title>
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		<dc:creator>OptimusPrime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree JSL whole heartedly except the part about Jack.  I think he is a deal considering how well he played last year.

I havet made up my mind on Magette yet.  He had a pretty good year even though he was never really healthy all season.  Also I like his versatility.  He was playing PF at one point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree JSL whole heartedly except the part about Jack.  I think he is a deal considering how well he played last year.</p>
<p>I havet made up my mind on Magette yet.  He had a pretty good year even though he was never really healthy all season.  Also I like his versatility.  He was playing PF at one point.</p>
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		<title>By: OptimusPrime</title>
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		<dc:creator>OptimusPrime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perry I havent missed a single game in 5 years.

Sure we lost some games but how many games did we have a full squad. Hell...how many did we atleast have the starters.  All of those injuries, I was suprised that we won as many games as we did.  Was Magette healthy at all last season?

You are honestly complain about losin to Lebron &#039;Frickin&#039; James to a buzzer beater.... R.U. Serious!!??  They had one of the best records in the league last year.  According 2 U we are so horrible how did we not get blown out, by one of the best teams in the league.  You are contradicting yourself.

You caught me bro.  I am really Rod Brooks...LMAO!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry I havent missed a single game in 5 years.</p>
<p>Sure we lost some games but how many games did we have a full squad. Hell&#8230;how many did we atleast have the starters.  All of those injuries, I was suprised that we won as many games as we did.  Was Magette healthy at all last season?</p>
<p>You are honestly complain about losin to Lebron &#8216;Frickin&#8217; James to a buzzer beater&#8230;. R.U. Serious!!??  They had one of the best records in the league last year.  According 2 U we are so horrible how did we not get blown out, by one of the best teams in the league.  You are contradicting yourself.</p>
<p>You caught me bro.  I am really Rod Brooks&#8230;LMAO!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Optimus&quot;.......I like your optimism.....but we lost some games we shouldn&#039;t have lost in 2008-2009 as well:

We lost the season series to the Memphis Grizzlies

We lost to Sacramento and OKC twice each, we lost to Minnesota and Washington........that&#039;s absolutely deplorable.

&quot;Optimus&quot; go to Warriors.com and look at the 2008-2009 game archive and eat your words.

We couldn&#039;t beat the teams we SHOULD have beaten.......that speaks more to the inferiority of the team than beating teams that we SHOULD NOT have beaten speaks to how good we were.  By that I mean, losing games we should have won is a bigger problem than winning games we shouldn&#039;t have won is a positive reinforcement........if you follow what I&#039;m saying.

That game against Utah was toward the end of the season....and granted, while Utah needed to win that game to maintain their playoff spot and stave away Dallas and Phoenix........we absolutely had nothing to lose in that game.....we played with our &quot;dicks&quot; out and ran around without a care in the world and we got lucky.........

I&#039;m more worried about the games we lost than the few nice victories.  We also gave away some games we should have won.

In the 2006-2007 season and the 2007-2008 48 win season ........we beat the teams we SHOULD have beat......that&#039;s the difference....

We lost to Cleveland on the James buzzer beater.....the 2nd to the last meeting against the Lakers at Oracle......we played great for the first 3 quarters....then absolutely dismantled ourselves in the 4th quarter after the back to back Ariza 3s.

The question is, &quot;Did YOU even watch last year?&quot; &quot;Optimus&quot;

You and &quot;Steve&quot; should get together with Tony Robbins and teach people about how to put a positive spin on a detrimental situation............you guys would be great at it.

That is, &quot;Optimus,&quot;....if you&#039;re willing to leave your afternoon slot with Bob Fitzgerald on KNBR because everyone knows that you are Rod Brooks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Optimus&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.I like your optimism&#8230;..but we lost some games we shouldn&#8217;t have lost in 2008-2009 as well:</p>
<p>We lost the season series to the Memphis Grizzlies</p>
<p>We lost to Sacramento and OKC twice each, we lost to Minnesota and Washington&#8230;&#8230;..that&#8217;s absolutely deplorable.</p>
<p>&#8220;Optimus&#8221; go to Warriors.com and look at the 2008-2009 game archive and eat your words.</p>
<p>We couldn&#8217;t beat the teams we SHOULD have beaten&#8230;&#8230;.that speaks more to the inferiority of the team than beating teams that we SHOULD NOT have beaten speaks to how good we were.  By that I mean, losing games we should have won is a bigger problem than winning games we shouldn&#8217;t have won is a positive reinforcement&#8230;&#8230;..if you follow what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>That game against Utah was toward the end of the season&#8230;.and granted, while Utah needed to win that game to maintain their playoff spot and stave away Dallas and Phoenix&#8230;&#8230;..we absolutely had nothing to lose in that game&#8230;..we played with our &#8220;dicks&#8221; out and ran around without a care in the world and we got lucky&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more worried about the games we lost than the few nice victories.  We also gave away some games we should have won.</p>
<p>In the 2006-2007 season and the 2007-2008 48 win season &#8230;&#8230;..we beat the teams we SHOULD have beat&#8230;&#8230;that&#8217;s the difference&#8230;.</p>
<p>We lost to Cleveland on the James buzzer beater&#8230;..the 2nd to the last meeting against the Lakers at Oracle&#8230;&#8230;we played great for the first 3 quarters&#8230;.then absolutely dismantled ourselves in the 4th quarter after the back to back Ariza 3s.</p>
<p>The question is, &#8220;Did YOU even watch last year?&#8221; &#8220;Optimus&#8221;</p>
<p>You and &#8220;Steve&#8221; should get together with Tony Robbins and teach people about how to put a positive spin on a detrimental situation&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;you guys would be great at it.</p>
<p>That is, &#8220;Optimus,&#8221;&#8230;.if you&#8217;re willing to leave your afternoon slot with Bob Fitzgerald on KNBR because everyone knows that you are Rod Brooks.</p>
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		<title>By: OptimusPrime</title>
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		<dc:creator>OptimusPrime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I swear you guys are a bunch of chicken littles.  The sky is fallen!!  OMG!!!  We are the worse team in professions sports!!!  Blow up the entire team!!!
Sound like a bunch of females.  Nobody wants to trade Andris, Randolph and Curry for a broken as, one eyed Amare.  Enuf already

Did you guys even watch last year.  Although the team was completed decimated by injuries they beat some really good teams and played some other good teams really close.  Remember the Celtics game or the game Utah just had to have and we beat them with seven players.  Take a deep breath and get a grip.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear you guys are a bunch of chicken littles.  The sky is fallen!!  OMG!!!  We are the worse team in professions sports!!!  Blow up the entire team!!!<br />
Sound like a bunch of females.  Nobody wants to trade Andris, Randolph and Curry for a broken as, one eyed Amare.  Enuf already</p>
<p>Did you guys even watch last year.  Although the team was completed decimated by injuries they beat some really good teams and played some other good teams really close.  Remember the Celtics game or the game Utah just had to have and we beat them with seven players.  Take a deep breath and get a grip.</p>
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		<title>By: John Starks</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Starks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one ever accused a Don Nelson team of being defensive stalwarts.  That said, the strategy is to outscore the other team the whole game and make them catch up.  The W&#039;s advantage is that they have a roster full of guys they can sub in and out who can score at a very high rate.  With an effective facilitator at the point, the W&#039;s will surprise a lot of people.  Last year, the injury bug and some internal drama doomed the season from the beginning, but all of these guys are players.  With the right situation, they will stun like the over-achievers who took out Dallas.  Think of another team with the high-paced firepower of Golden State.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one ever accused a Don Nelson team of being defensive stalwarts.  That said, the strategy is to outscore the other team the whole game and make them catch up.  The W&#8217;s advantage is that they have a roster full of guys they can sub in and out who can score at a very high rate.  With an effective facilitator at the point, the W&#8217;s will surprise a lot of people.  Last year, the injury bug and some internal drama doomed the season from the beginning, but all of these guys are players.  With the right situation, they will stun like the over-achievers who took out Dallas.  Think of another team with the high-paced firepower of Golden State.</p>
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		<title>By: jsl</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good work, MT.  It&#039;s been a nice SL, what with our first look-see at Curry and AR&#039;s coming out party.

And despite the young uns&#039; furious calls for many -- and, apparently, ANY (Tracy McGrady?) -- W trades, I&#039;d love to see these guys simply deal off Jack and Maggette and otherwise stand pat.  (Jack and Maggette are hardly worthless, but they&#039;re WAY overpaid and each has much too high an opinion of his real value to this team. If they&#039;d agree to share the three -- and Nelson started coaching (instead of gimmicking) -- I&#039;d keep &#039;em, but I doubt their egos would permit it.)

There&#039;s a terrific amount of talent here:  AR just got his ticket to Team USA tryouts; Goose is one of the league&#039;s best fives and getting better; Monta&#039;s a huge offensive force -- even with his major D liabilities; Morrow&#039;s about as sweet a shooter as we&#039;ve had since Mullin; KA does the dirty work; Ronny&#039;s like a coach on the floor; and Curry&#039;s got that &quot;it&quot; that AR showed last year before falling into the Nelson doghouse.

If these guys were taught D and rotated freely, in two years we&#039;d have a very good team capable of going deep into the playoffs -- and it&#039;s been 15 years since we could say that (i.e. before the &#039;94 Nelson-Webber implosion).

What the &quot;traders&quot; either forget or simply don&#039;t grasp is that -- with VERY few exceptions (e.g. Celts two years ago) -- the teams that are very good build thru the draft, and then tweak with trades.  We&#039;ve had some pretty good drafts now, so let&#039;s let these guys put it together instead of simply spinning wheels contemplating numerous weird trades.

In other words, let&#039;s not blow it yet again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work, MT.  It&#8217;s been a nice SL, what with our first look-see at Curry and AR&#8217;s coming out party.</p>
<p>And despite the young uns&#8217; furious calls for many &#8212; and, apparently, ANY (Tracy McGrady?) &#8212; W trades, I&#8217;d love to see these guys simply deal off Jack and Maggette and otherwise stand pat.  (Jack and Maggette are hardly worthless, but they&#8217;re WAY overpaid and each has much too high an opinion of his real value to this team. If they&#8217;d agree to share the three &#8212; and Nelson started coaching (instead of gimmicking) &#8212; I&#8217;d keep &#8216;em, but I doubt their egos would permit it.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a terrific amount of talent here:  AR just got his ticket to Team USA tryouts; Goose is one of the league&#8217;s best fives and getting better; Monta&#8217;s a huge offensive force &#8212; even with his major D liabilities; Morrow&#8217;s about as sweet a shooter as we&#8217;ve had since Mullin; KA does the dirty work; Ronny&#8217;s like a coach on the floor; and Curry&#8217;s got that &#8220;it&#8221; that AR showed last year before falling into the Nelson doghouse.</p>
<p>If these guys were taught D and rotated freely, in two years we&#8217;d have a very good team capable of going deep into the playoffs &#8212; and it&#8217;s been 15 years since we could say that (i.e. before the &#8217;94 Nelson-Webber implosion).</p>
<p>What the &#8220;traders&#8221; either forget or simply don&#8217;t grasp is that &#8212; with VERY few exceptions (e.g. Celts two years ago) &#8212; the teams that are very good build thru the draft, and then tweak with trades.  We&#8217;ve had some pretty good drafts now, so let&#8217;s let these guys put it together instead of simply spinning wheels contemplating numerous weird trades.</p>
<p>In other words, let&#8217;s not blow it yet again.</p>
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