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		<title>By: Harp's Dubs</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2009/10/10/exhibition-4-ws-vs-suns/comment-page-1/#comment-22771</link>
		<dc:creator>Harp's Dubs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perry, as always, nice post.  Now, how about some other trade ideas, considering ESPN&#039;s report that the Raps and Dubs are talking...

Jackson, Monta, Wright and Claxton for McGrady and Carl Landry.
Biedrins, Maggette and a future unprotected first rounder to Toronto for Bosh and Antoine Wright.

09-10 Warriors
PG - Curry/Watson/Law
SG - Morrow/Azubuike
SF - McGrady/A.Wright
PF - Randolph/Landry/Moore
C - Bosh/Turiaf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry, as always, nice post.  Now, how about some other trade ideas, considering ESPN&#8217;s report that the Raps and Dubs are talking&#8230;</p>
<p>Jackson, Monta, Wright and Claxton for McGrady and Carl Landry.<br />
Biedrins, Maggette and a future unprotected first rounder to Toronto for Bosh and Antoine Wright.</p>
<p>09-10 Warriors<br />
PG &#8211; Curry/Watson/Law<br />
SG &#8211; Morrow/Azubuike<br />
SF &#8211; McGrady/A.Wright<br />
PF &#8211; Randolph/Landry/Moore<br />
C &#8211; Bosh/Turiaf</p>
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		<title>By: Dub Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dub Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heard some rumor, probably quite unsubstantiated, about the Warrior&#039;s making a move for Bosh, and involving Beidrins.  If true, I&#039;d go for Beidrins, Wright and any one, or two of Acie Law, Speedy Claxton and C.J. Watson for Bosh.  Don&#039;t know if this works salary wise, though I bet it does, and might be enough for Toronto to bite.  I&#039;d love to have Bosh, and would give up Beidrins and Wright to get him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard some rumor, probably quite unsubstantiated, about the Warrior&#8217;s making a move for Bosh, and involving Beidrins.  If true, I&#8217;d go for Beidrins, Wright and any one, or two of Acie Law, Speedy Claxton and C.J. Watson for Bosh.  Don&#8217;t know if this works salary wise, though I bet it does, and might be enough for Toronto to bite.  I&#8217;d love to have Bosh, and would give up Beidrins and Wright to get him.</p>
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		<title>By: OptimusPrime aka Rod Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>OptimusPrime aka Rod Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very cool watching the game outside.

I dont know what they are going to do about Jax.  They cant allow him to be cancer that torpedos this team.  They have too many young, hungry and impressionable young players to allow that.  Look @ how Jax attitude has rubbed off on Monta.

Good to see that they were able to win the last two games w/out Jax.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool watching the game outside.</p>
<p>I dont know what they are going to do about Jax.  They cant allow him to be cancer that torpedos this team.  They have too many young, hungry and impressionable young players to allow that.  Look @ how Jax attitude has rubbed off on Monta.</p>
<p>Good to see that they were able to win the last two games w/out Jax.</p>
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		<title>By: jsl</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Real nice post, MT. Especially good on AR and Goose&#039;s games -- tho I thot Goose&#039;s Q4 was terrific (even if Frye, who was hot, didn&#039;t play much then).

In a peculiar twist -- since I think Nelson&#039;s been an execrable coach for over two years now -- this was, I thought, a well-coached game by the Fat Man.  True, it was made much easier by the fact that (1) Jack was gone and (2) we didn&#039;t have to waste 40 minutes on that loony tune; but Nelson played the kids, stuck with them even thru rough patches, and used &#039;em at the end, when they just overran the Suns.

Maybe he&#039;s finally starting to get it.  And, as Daffy Duck would say -- &quot;I-RO-NY&quot; (i.e. that Jack&#039;s flight into cloud-cuckoo-land would afford Nelson the opportunity to actually do some solid coaching).  But let&#039;s see if he can keep up playing the kids and using a much broader rotation (e.g. giving Curry a nice blow in the second half meant he was fresh to do his damage at the end).

Sure, Phoenix wasn&#039;t trying too hard and, apart from Frye, was surprisingly sluggish.  But the Warriors took advantage, and never let a stronger team dominate -- as they came back and closed gaps time and again.

Final point:  It&#039;s so much nicer having AM in during Q4, taking sharp passes from Curry or setting up down low, than running your offense through Dead Man Jack, who&#039;d just throw up dreck shots on O and ignore D altogether.

Once again, terrific write-up, here, Marcus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real nice post, MT. Especially good on AR and Goose&#8217;s games &#8212; tho I thot Goose&#8217;s Q4 was terrific (even if Frye, who was hot, didn&#8217;t play much then).</p>
<p>In a peculiar twist &#8212; since I think Nelson&#8217;s been an execrable coach for over two years now &#8212; this was, I thought, a well-coached game by the Fat Man.  True, it was made much easier by the fact that (1) Jack was gone and (2) we didn&#8217;t have to waste 40 minutes on that loony tune; but Nelson played the kids, stuck with them even thru rough patches, and used &#8216;em at the end, when they just overran the Suns.</p>
<p>Maybe he&#8217;s finally starting to get it.  And, as Daffy Duck would say &#8212; &#8220;I-RO-NY&#8221; (i.e. that Jack&#8217;s flight into cloud-cuckoo-land would afford Nelson the opportunity to actually do some solid coaching).  But let&#8217;s see if he can keep up playing the kids and using a much broader rotation (e.g. giving Curry a nice blow in the second half meant he was fresh to do his damage at the end).</p>
<p>Sure, Phoenix wasn&#8217;t trying too hard and, apart from Frye, was surprisingly sluggish.  But the Warriors took advantage, and never let a stronger team dominate &#8212; as they came back and closed gaps time and again.</p>
<p>Final point:  It&#8217;s so much nicer having AM in during Q4, taking sharp passes from Curry or setting up down low, than running your offense through Dead Man Jack, who&#8217;d just throw up dreck shots on O and ignore D altogether.</p>
<p>Once again, terrific write-up, here, Marcus.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Nature Boy&quot;.......saw the same thing on the pouting play with Monta in the corner upset that Randolph didn&#039;t defer...that was the most energy Monta expended in this game.........he has to learn how to be aggressive game in and game out.......not just against the Lakers.

A. Morrow did not defer  down the stretch in the 4th quarter.  He had a good game, but he seems to think that Pre-Season NBA Basketball qualifies him as a 4th quarter go to guy in his 2nd season as an undrafted walk on.

I&#039;d rather get the ball to a guy who can create his own shot better down the stretch:

1.  Ellis
2.  Curry
3.  Maggette

Nelson jumped all over Curry for not coming to meet Morrow to take the ball and control the possession......Hey Nellie, &quot;How about Anthony pass the ball?&quot;

Curry&#039;s line was fantastic, there was a 3 play barrage where he scored on the left side of the basket on a take to the basket, then had a beautiful look to Andris cutting and diving to the basket, followed by another look to either Andris or another cut, I can&#039;t remember....

Stepen C. should establish himself offensively, first by going to the basket....then letting his perimeter game and range develop off of that.

Like that 2nd half unit with Maggette and Andris.......both were active, both looked for each other on cuts, Corey got to the line....it was a much more active unit....

I get the sense that S. Curry has a quiet confidence and swagger that&#039;s very subtle, but obvious.  I like that in a young player but I think it rubs Monta and Anthony Morrow the wrong way.

Curry knows he can play at this level......

He has that same quiet confidence that Gilbert Arenas had in his 2nd year with Golden State when he began to get playing time.

Randolph looks like he&#039;s taken that step to becoming a consistent double-double guy in this league.  I expect him to average nothing less than 14ppg and 10rpg.

Randolph&#039;s first 3 field goal attempts were awful........they included a 12 foot fadeway from the baseline and a weak 16 footer.  He made some poor decisions with the ball in his hand but all in all ended with 2 turnovers.  Still a lot of room for improvement with basic  basketball IQ and winning games, for young Anthony.

Nice, steady win for this young squad, nothing spectacular......they held Phoenix&#039;s offense somewhat at bay,....not allowing for a very large scoring burst.

It&#039;s hard to take much away from these last 2 games, especially with all the questions surrounding personnel.......but we are getting a chance to look at some of the personnel that may be here for a while, young talent that is pretty good.

The problem is that Warrior fans have been through this same cycle before, many times and to no avail........that&#039;s why it&#039;s so tough to get the Nay-Sayers back on board.

Patience is not the right word to use with this organization and it&#039;s fans......it&#039;s long past patience.......it&#039;s desperation.........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nature Boy&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.saw the same thing on the pouting play with Monta in the corner upset that Randolph didn&#8217;t defer&#8230;that was the most energy Monta expended in this game&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;he has to learn how to be aggressive game in and game out&#8230;&#8230;.not just against the Lakers.</p>
<p>A. Morrow did not defer  down the stretch in the 4th quarter.  He had a good game, but he seems to think that Pre-Season NBA Basketball qualifies him as a 4th quarter go to guy in his 2nd season as an undrafted walk on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather get the ball to a guy who can create his own shot better down the stretch:</p>
<p>1.  Ellis<br />
2.  Curry<br />
3.  Maggette</p>
<p>Nelson jumped all over Curry for not coming to meet Morrow to take the ball and control the possession&#8230;&#8230;Hey Nellie, &#8220;How about Anthony pass the ball?&#8221;</p>
<p>Curry&#8217;s line was fantastic, there was a 3 play barrage where he scored on the left side of the basket on a take to the basket, then had a beautiful look to Andris cutting and diving to the basket, followed by another look to either Andris or another cut, I can&#8217;t remember&#8230;.</p>
<p>Stepen C. should establish himself offensively, first by going to the basket&#8230;.then letting his perimeter game and range develop off of that.</p>
<p>Like that 2nd half unit with Maggette and Andris&#8230;&#8230;.both were active, both looked for each other on cuts, Corey got to the line&#8230;.it was a much more active unit&#8230;.</p>
<p>I get the sense that S. Curry has a quiet confidence and swagger that&#8217;s very subtle, but obvious.  I like that in a young player but I think it rubs Monta and Anthony Morrow the wrong way.</p>
<p>Curry knows he can play at this level&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>He has that same quiet confidence that Gilbert Arenas had in his 2nd year with Golden State when he began to get playing time.</p>
<p>Randolph looks like he&#8217;s taken that step to becoming a consistent double-double guy in this league.  I expect him to average nothing less than 14ppg and 10rpg.</p>
<p>Randolph&#8217;s first 3 field goal attempts were awful&#8230;&#8230;..they included a 12 foot fadeway from the baseline and a weak 16 footer.  He made some poor decisions with the ball in his hand but all in all ended with 2 turnovers.  Still a lot of room for improvement with basic  basketball IQ and winning games, for young Anthony.</p>
<p>Nice, steady win for this young squad, nothing spectacular&#8230;&#8230;they held Phoenix&#8217;s offense somewhat at bay,&#8230;.not allowing for a very large scoring burst.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to take much away from these last 2 games, especially with all the questions surrounding personnel&#8230;&#8230;.but we are getting a chance to look at some of the personnel that may be here for a while, young talent that is pretty good.</p>
<p>The problem is that Warrior fans have been through this same cycle before, many times and to no avail&#8230;&#8230;..that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s so tough to get the Nay-Sayers back on board.</p>
<p>Patience is not the right word to use with this organization and it&#8217;s fans&#8230;&#8230;it&#8217;s long past patience&#8230;&#8230;.it&#8217;s desperation&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Harp's Dubs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harp's Dubs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops - substitute Curry&#039;s name for Ellis - my bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8211; substitute Curry&#8217;s name for Ellis &#8211; my bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Mano de Nada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mano de Nada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harp&#039;s Dubs pulls off the most awesomest forum trade EVER, by somehow both swapping Ellis and keeping him.  Wonder how that will work on ESPN&#039;s trade machine?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harp&#8217;s Dubs pulls off the most awesomest forum trade EVER, by somehow both swapping Ellis and keeping him.  Wonder how that will work on ESPN&#8217;s trade machine?</p>
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		<title>By: The Underling</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Underling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry about the poor grammar.  Way late and way tired.  But the key points seemed to be Jackson&#039;s disdain for the replacement refs, Kobe getting under his skin and Don having NO patience for him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the poor grammar.  Way late and way tired.  But the key points seemed to be Jackson&#8217;s disdain for the replacement refs, Kobe getting under his skin and Don having NO patience for him.</p>
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		<title>By: The Underling</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Underling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was sitting in the corner seat next to the court and saw the whole Jackson thing perfectly.  Really quickly...Jackson was complaining to the refs that Kobe was pushing on him with his bent arm&#039;s forearm.   Jackson seemed to say it wasn&#039;t legal.  Kobe and Jackson started jawing.  It seemed to drop for a second but Kobe seemed to get a little mad.  Shortly after Jackson was called for an offensive foul.  Later, at the time out.  Jackson talked to the ref by the scorer&#039;s table.  Jackson looked as if he was explaining to the replacement ref and at some point Jackson (and I think I read this right) &quot;Then you don&#039;t know the f---ing rules!&quot;  At that point he was teed up.  At the huddle Nelson seemed to tell Jackson in an irritated manner to calm down.  Jackson then sat down and Nelson stood over his head and seemed to chew Jackson out.   Almost, if you don&#039;t like it you can leave kind of thing.  Shortly after ( a few seconds later) Jackson did.  All the while the crowd including myself was calling him a baby etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was sitting in the corner seat next to the court and saw the whole Jackson thing perfectly.  Really quickly&#8230;Jackson was complaining to the refs that Kobe was pushing on him with his bent arm&#8217;s forearm.   Jackson seemed to say it wasn&#8217;t legal.  Kobe and Jackson started jawing.  It seemed to drop for a second but Kobe seemed to get a little mad.  Shortly after Jackson was called for an offensive foul.  Later, at the time out.  Jackson talked to the ref by the scorer&#8217;s table.  Jackson looked as if he was explaining to the replacement ref and at some point Jackson (and I think I read this right) &#8220;Then you don&#8217;t know the f&#8212;ing rules!&#8221;  At that point he was teed up.  At the huddle Nelson seemed to tell Jackson in an irritated manner to calm down.  Jackson then sat down and Nelson stood over his head and seemed to chew Jackson out.   Almost, if you don&#8217;t like it you can leave kind of thing.  Shortly after ( a few seconds later) Jackson did.  All the while the crowd including myself was calling him a baby etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Dub Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dub Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh, Harp&#039;s, it&#039;s going to be a little difficult to have Ellis in any Warrior&#039;s lineup if you would have him traded to the Jazz (and I don&#039;t like this trade anyhow).  Don&#039;t like any trade of Monte this year...maybe next year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Harp&#8217;s, it&#8217;s going to be a little difficult to have Ellis in any Warrior&#8217;s lineup if you would have him traded to the Jazz (and I don&#8217;t like this trade anyhow).  Don&#8217;t like any trade of Monte this year&#8230;maybe next year.</p>
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