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		<title>By: Optimus</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2010/01/28/some-notable-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-24633</link>
		<dc:creator>Optimus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have to trade our top pick for a big man. Similar to the Elton Brand/ Tyson Chandler (#3 pick) draft day trade.  Wall has all the hype, but I honestly think there will be a mutiny if we add another guard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to trade our top pick for a big man. Similar to the Elton Brand/ Tyson Chandler (#3 pick) draft day trade.  Wall has all the hype, but I honestly think there will be a mutiny if we add another guard.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An open letter to Tim Kawakami:

Dear Tim,

I hope you’ll have a chance to read this and respond. I’d be happy to provide you with the spread sheet. I sorted Ellis’ stats after 42 games based on the number of minutes he plays. His season average is about 43 minutes so I divided the stats in half considering games where he played 43 minutes or less and games where he played more than 43 minutes. Here’s what I found:

AVERAGE MARGIN WHEN ELLIS PLAYS 43 minutes or less = 17.5 points
Ellis minutes=864, Non Ellis Minutes=266 (about 5.54 games)

AVERAGE MARGIN WHEN ELLIS PLAYS more than 43 minutes = 8.8 points
Ellis minutes Non Ellis Minutes #games
Ellis minutes=1210, Non Ellis Minutes=86 (about 1.79 games)

I think you should consider revising the conclusions* you make using +/-. It is a valid measure of what is happening on the court but you need to consider a large number of games and the context of where the minutes are coming from.

The substitution pattern Nelson has employed is that when a game gets out of hand, Ellis sits. Sorting the games by Ellis’ minutes shows the ratio of meaningful non-Ellis minutes versus blowout non-Ellis minutes is more than 3:1 (~86/266). So out of every 4 minutes that Ellis was off of the court, 3 of those minutes comes from games where the average margin of victory was 17.5 points whereas just 1 minute comes from games where the average margin of victory was 8.8 points. Is it really meaningful to look at +/- stats that are weighted substantially with blowouts? Probably not.

*
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/01/26/monta-ellis-peripheral-stats-spelled-out-b-a-d/
“Ellis is -182 in the plus/minus, which is not a good number. He’s -4.4 per game. The Warriors are -3.4 per game on the season overall.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An open letter to Tim Kawakami:</p>
<p>Dear Tim,</p>
<p>I hope you’ll have a chance to read this and respond. I’d be happy to provide you with the spread sheet. I sorted Ellis’ stats after 42 games based on the number of minutes he plays. His season average is about 43 minutes so I divided the stats in half considering games where he played 43 minutes or less and games where he played more than 43 minutes. Here’s what I found:</p>
<p>AVERAGE MARGIN WHEN ELLIS PLAYS 43 minutes or less = 17.5 points<br />
Ellis minutes=864, Non Ellis Minutes=266 (about 5.54 games)</p>
<p>AVERAGE MARGIN WHEN ELLIS PLAYS more than 43 minutes = 8.8 points<br />
Ellis minutes Non Ellis Minutes #games<br />
Ellis minutes=1210, Non Ellis Minutes=86 (about 1.79 games)</p>
<p>I think you should consider revising the conclusions* you make using +/-. It is a valid measure of what is happening on the court but you need to consider a large number of games and the context of where the minutes are coming from.</p>
<p>The substitution pattern Nelson has employed is that when a game gets out of hand, Ellis sits. Sorting the games by Ellis’ minutes shows the ratio of meaningful non-Ellis minutes versus blowout non-Ellis minutes is more than 3:1 (~86/266). So out of every 4 minutes that Ellis was off of the court, 3 of those minutes comes from games where the average margin of victory was 17.5 points whereas just 1 minute comes from games where the average margin of victory was 8.8 points. Is it really meaningful to look at +/- stats that are weighted substantially with blowouts? Probably not.</p>
<p>*<br />
<a href="http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/01/26/monta-ellis-peripheral-stats-spelled-out-b-a-d/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/01/26/monta-ellis-peripheral-stats-spelled-out-b-a-d/</a><br />
“Ellis is -182 in the plus/minus, which is not a good number. He’s -4.4 per game. The Warriors are -3.4 per game on the season overall.”</p>
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		<title>By: fillmoe mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>fillmoe mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man we stink right now hopefully we get the #1 pick and select john wall in the first round and quincy pondexter in the secound round...I would only trade andris @ this point in regards to our core of monta,curry,randolph..I think monta and curry can be a pretty good backcourt if we get a big frontline...also its time for nellie to go,he does not inspire this team @ all,with a team this young you need a coach to motivate them and also energize them,nellie does neither..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man we stink right now hopefully we get the #1 pick and select john wall in the first round and quincy pondexter in the secound round&#8230;I would only trade andris @ this point in regards to our core of monta,curry,randolph..I think monta and curry can be a pretty good backcourt if we get a big frontline&#8230;also its time for nellie to go,he does not inspire this team @ all,with a team this young you need a coach to motivate them and also energize them,nellie does neither..</p>
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		<title>By: jscrilla</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2010/01/28/some-notable-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-24624</link>
		<dc:creator>jscrilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I meant was KOBY KARL!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I meant was KOBY KARL!</p>
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		<title>By: jscrilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>jscrilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...Koby...Karl...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Koby&#8230;Karl&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dengel1925</title>
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		<dc:creator>dengel1925</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you&#039;re going to knock Nelson, you should begin with one of his most unbelievable moves: Trading Mitch Richmond for Billy . . . what was his name? . . . Owens, I think. I&#039;ll never forgive him for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re going to knock Nelson, you should begin with one of his most unbelievable moves: Trading Mitch Richmond for Billy . . . what was his name? . . . Owens, I think. I&#8217;ll never forgive him for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some good one liners in your game recap, MT! What can you do but laugh at the state of the Warriors these days?

I noticed Curry fake from the 3pt line and drive in and miss at least once.  He&#039;s getting so automatic from distance that I think it&#039;s the wrong move not to put it up.  Don&#039;t want to turn into another Kapono. Same with Morrow. 

Feltbot, your recap is not up, as far as I can see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good one liners in your game recap, MT! What can you do but laugh at the state of the Warriors these days?</p>
<p>I noticed Curry fake from the 3pt line and drive in and miss at least once.  He&#8217;s getting so automatic from distance that I think it&#8217;s the wrong move not to put it up.  Don&#8217;t want to turn into another Kapono. Same with Morrow. </p>
<p>Feltbot, your recap is not up, as far as I can see.</p>
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		<title>By: jsl</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marques8:  So ya DON&#039;T think Maggette -- and Monta -- have given up on Nelson?  Maybe you missed the Bobcats game last night.  (Well-coached?  Players played hard?  Hmmmm.)

BTW, trying to defend the Fat Man&#039;s obviously excessive drinking by comparing him to Billy Martin makes so little sense one would think, perhaps . . . well, you&#039;re just proving my point.  When was the last time an old drunk coached an NBA team to anything good?

If you want &quot;direct effect&quot; -- just look at what this drunk has done to the team the last few years with his idiotic rotations (even Fitz was on his case last night), SNSB, and that incredibly boring iso and two-man game -- which is all he seems to know.  

And is it any surprise he&#039;s so reviled by the players?  Is there one guy on the team who would actually CHOOSE to play for this jerk?   Why do so many wish to flee?  Why do none wish to come here?

The Nelson game is over. Somebody clue the Fat Man in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marques8:  So ya DON&#8217;T think Maggette &#8212; and Monta &#8212; have given up on Nelson?  Maybe you missed the Bobcats game last night.  (Well-coached?  Players played hard?  Hmmmm.)</p>
<p>BTW, trying to defend the Fat Man&#8217;s obviously excessive drinking by comparing him to Billy Martin makes so little sense one would think, perhaps . . . well, you&#8217;re just proving my point.  When was the last time an old drunk coached an NBA team to anything good?</p>
<p>If you want &#8220;direct effect&#8221; &#8212; just look at what this drunk has done to the team the last few years with his idiotic rotations (even Fitz was on his case last night), SNSB, and that incredibly boring iso and two-man game &#8212; which is all he seems to know.  </p>
<p>And is it any surprise he&#8217;s so reviled by the players?  Is there one guy on the team who would actually CHOOSE to play for this jerk?   Why do so many wish to flee?  Why do none wish to come here?</p>
<p>The Nelson game is over. Somebody clue the Fat Man in.</p>
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		<title>By: Harp's Dubs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harp's Dubs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@RobertRowell - The Ray Allen report was already out there and the Maggette thing had legs over the summer.  Pay attention to what&#039;s being reported by actual NBA insiders.  Rather than bashing others, be proactive.  What have you got to offer to help our team out?  Release Bell, Claxton or George when they can be used as part of a deal or as simply money that comes off the books this summer?  How does that help us in any way, shape or form?  If you don&#039;t have any suggestions on how to improve this sorry squad, then just read and the posts or shut the piehole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RobertRowell &#8211; The Ray Allen report was already out there and the Maggette thing had legs over the summer.  Pay attention to what&#8217;s being reported by actual NBA insiders.  Rather than bashing others, be proactive.  What have you got to offer to help our team out?  Release Bell, Claxton or George when they can be used as part of a deal or as simply money that comes off the books this summer?  How does that help us in any way, shape or form?  If you don&#8217;t have any suggestions on how to improve this sorry squad, then just read and the posts or shut the piehole.</p>
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		<title>By: MWLX</title>
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		<dc:creator>MWLX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Real nice that Morrow is practicing his 3-point shots. Is he practicing his defense and passing? Because if he doesn&#039;t improve them, he&#039;s not worth keeping.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real nice that Morrow is practicing his 3-point shots. Is he practicing his defense and passing? Because if he doesn&#8217;t improve them, he&#8217;s not worth keeping.</p>
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