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		<title>By: GoldenGateBias.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 23:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] beat writer MTIII has been debating the Warriors options if they should get the 1st overall pick. In a recent blog post he lists a couple options with his [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Whack-A-Dub</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2010/03/10/the-wallevans-debate/comment-page-2/#comment-25299</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do we even have cohan or rowell...why is stern letting them be owners of a franchise that is the definiton of a faliure. No all-star in a decade. One playoff appearance in 16 years. it&#039;s your f*cking team, Stern. F*cking do something about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we even have cohan or rowell&#8230;why is stern letting them be owners of a franchise that is the definiton of a faliure. No all-star in a decade. One playoff appearance in 16 years. it&#8217;s your f*cking team, Stern. F*cking do something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice piece by Marcus Thompson.  In contrast here is a look at some of the recent schizophrenic thinking from Kawakami on the backcourt and last years draft:

In his most recent article he declared Stephen Curry a future all-star.  Nevermind that he ripped the Warriors for drafting Curry because he “can’t play with Ellis.” And not just during the draft but quite recently. He also declared that Jru Holliday was THE player to pair with Monta Ellis. When Holliday started looking like a bust Kawakami began the, ‘injuries don’t matter – Monta Ellis is not that good’ and needs to be traded for Kirk Heinrich campaign:

“Just last summer I proposed many alternatives for their draft pick, the main trick of it trying to find the right mix of talent with Monta Ellis, if he was the team centerpiece. It aint easy and I admit that I don’t think any of us quite got that one right, including the Great Rowell.”
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/02/10/if-cohans-prepping-for-a-sale-is-ellison-virtually-the-warriors-shadow-owner-now/

Monta Ellis’ peripheral stats, spelled out (B-A-D)Posted by Tim Kawakami on January 26th, 2010 at 2:08 pm &#124; Categorized as NBA, Warriors
“…The Warriors are going to have to split the Ellis/Curry backcourt at some point. I’d hope they realized that from the beginning, but I know they didn’t…Anyway, back to Ellis: You can argue that he’s fun to watch, but you cannot argue that he is a dominant player in any way the actually leads to the Warriors winning games this season. 1) They need to pick between Ellis and Curry because that backcourt does not work in the real world, only in Don Nelson’s imagination. 2) Ellis’ evident talents have not translated to the Warriors being any better when he’s out there, as opposed to Name Your D-Leaguer….”
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/01/26/monta-ellis-peripheral-stats-spelled-out-b-a-d/

Yes, the Warriors should trade Monta Ellis (but I doubt they will)
Posted by Tim Kawakami on February 14th, 2010 at 10:28 am Categorized as NBA, Warriors
“…The Warriors would be much better served to keep Curry and find a way to land a big guard who could move without the ball and defend top-flight perimeter scorers. They’d have a lot better mix. They’d have better chemistry. They’d highlight and emphasize their strengths, instead of jamming similar players together in the frenzied desire to sell tickets….From the day they drafted Curry, I’ve thought that Curry and Ellis were too similar physically and stylistically (both need the ball in their hands) to work well together….”
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/02/14/yes-the-warriors-should-trade-monta-ellis-but-i-doubt-they-will/

Where might Monta Ellis end up? Let’s scour the field: Philly, Miami, Memphis…Posted by Tim Kawakami on November 18th, 2009 at 9:54 pm &#124; Categorized as NBA, Warriors ”
“…1. PHILADELPHIA: Either for Samuel Dalembert straight up (UNLIKELY) or for a package including Jrue Holiday, Thaddeus Young and salary filler (or Louis Williams)….
…2. MIAMI:The Heat could offer Quentin Richardson’s expiring $9.4M contract. …
…3. CHICAGO: Straight up for Kirk Hinrich…”
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/11/18/where-might-monta-ellis-end-up-let-me-take-a-few-wild-guesses-philly-miami-memphis/

Warriors draft: The case for Jrue Holiday (final argument)
POSTED BY TIM KAWAKAMI ON JUNE 25TH, 2009 AT 7:35 AM &#124; CATEGORIZED AS AT-LARGE
“* Best option: UCLA G Jrue Holiday, who is the final case.
A team that wants to get better wants a tall PG like Holiday (6-3, with Ben Howland-coached toughness), who has a lot of room to grown, who likes to play defense, and who could lead a team in a year or two. Kind of like Russell Westbrook last year, who was the off-guard with Collison at UCLA, left school early, and zoomed to the fourth pick, taken by Oklahoma City, and is now a potential future star PG. Let me expand on the way I put it in the column:
-Other than No. 1 pick Blake Griffin and possibly Ricky Rubio, Holiday is the player in this draft who fits best both with the Warriors’ current Nelson/Ellis power base (because Holiday can defend 2-guards Ellis can’t and can run the point alonside Ellis if Ellis will let him);”
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/06/25/warriors-draft-the-case-for-jrue-holiday-final-argument/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece by Marcus Thompson.  In contrast here is a look at some of the recent schizophrenic thinking from Kawakami on the backcourt and last years draft:</p>
<p>In his most recent article he declared Stephen Curry a future all-star.  Nevermind that he ripped the Warriors for drafting Curry because he “can’t play with Ellis.” And not just during the draft but quite recently. He also declared that Jru Holliday was THE player to pair with Monta Ellis. When Holliday started looking like a bust Kawakami began the, ‘injuries don’t matter – Monta Ellis is not that good’ and needs to be traded for Kirk Heinrich campaign:</p>
<p>“Just last summer I proposed many alternatives for their draft pick, the main trick of it trying to find the right mix of talent with Monta Ellis, if he was the team centerpiece. It aint easy and I admit that I don’t think any of us quite got that one right, including the Great Rowell.”<br />
<a href="http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/02/10/if-cohans-prepping-for-a-sale-is-ellison-virtually-the-warriors-shadow-owner-now/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/02/10/if-cohans-prepping-for-a-sale-is-ellison-virtually-the-warriors-shadow-owner-now/</a></p>
<p>Monta Ellis’ peripheral stats, spelled out (B-A-D)Posted by Tim Kawakami on January 26th, 2010 at 2:08 pm | Categorized as NBA, Warriors<br />
“…The Warriors are going to have to split the Ellis/Curry backcourt at some point. I’d hope they realized that from the beginning, but I know they didn’t…Anyway, back to Ellis: You can argue that he’s fun to watch, but you cannot argue that he is a dominant player in any way the actually leads to the Warriors winning games this season. 1) They need to pick between Ellis and Curry because that backcourt does not work in the real world, only in Don Nelson’s imagination. 2) Ellis’ evident talents have not translated to the Warriors being any better when he’s out there, as opposed to Name Your D-Leaguer….”<br />
<a href="http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/01/26/monta-ellis-peripheral-stats-spelled-out-b-a-d/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/01/26/monta-ellis-peripheral-stats-spelled-out-b-a-d/</a></p>
<p>Yes, the Warriors should trade Monta Ellis (but I doubt they will)<br />
Posted by Tim Kawakami on February 14th, 2010 at 10:28 am Categorized as NBA, Warriors<br />
“…The Warriors would be much better served to keep Curry and find a way to land a big guard who could move without the ball and defend top-flight perimeter scorers. They’d have a lot better mix. They’d have better chemistry. They’d highlight and emphasize their strengths, instead of jamming similar players together in the frenzied desire to sell tickets….From the day they drafted Curry, I’ve thought that Curry and Ellis were too similar physically and stylistically (both need the ball in their hands) to work well together….”<br />
<a href="http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/02/14/yes-the-warriors-should-trade-monta-ellis-but-i-doubt-they-will/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/02/14/yes-the-warriors-should-trade-monta-ellis-but-i-doubt-they-will/</a></p>
<p>Where might Monta Ellis end up? Let’s scour the field: Philly, Miami, Memphis…Posted by Tim Kawakami on November 18th, 2009 at 9:54 pm | Categorized as NBA, Warriors ”<br />
“…1. PHILADELPHIA: Either for Samuel Dalembert straight up (UNLIKELY) or for a package including Jrue Holiday, Thaddeus Young and salary filler (or Louis Williams)….<br />
…2. MIAMI:The Heat could offer Quentin Richardson’s expiring $9.4M contract. …<br />
…3. CHICAGO: Straight up for Kirk Hinrich…”<br />
<a href="http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/11/18/where-might-monta-ellis-end-up-let-me-take-a-few-wild-guesses-philly-miami-memphis/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/11/18/where-might-monta-ellis-end-up-let-me-take-a-few-wild-guesses-philly-miami-memphis/</a></p>
<p>Warriors draft: The case for Jrue Holiday (final argument)<br />
POSTED BY TIM KAWAKAMI ON JUNE 25TH, 2009 AT 7:35 AM | CATEGORIZED AS AT-LARGE<br />
“* Best option: UCLA G Jrue Holiday, who is the final case.<br />
A team that wants to get better wants a tall PG like Holiday (6-3, with Ben Howland-coached toughness), who has a lot of room to grown, who likes to play defense, and who could lead a team in a year or two. Kind of like Russell Westbrook last year, who was the off-guard with Collison at UCLA, left school early, and zoomed to the fourth pick, taken by Oklahoma City, and is now a potential future star PG. Let me expand on the way I put it in the column:<br />
-Other than No. 1 pick Blake Griffin and possibly Ricky Rubio, Holiday is the player in this draft who fits best both with the Warriors’ current Nelson/Ellis power base (because Holiday can defend 2-guards Ellis can’t and can run the point alonside Ellis if Ellis will let him);”<br />
<a href="http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/06/25/warriors-draft-the-case-for-jrue-holiday-final-argument/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/06/25/warriors-draft-the-case-for-jrue-holiday-final-argument/</a></p>
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		<title>By: slimman</title>
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		<dc:creator>slimman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is what Warriors fans are reduced to by March; pipe dreams of winning the draft lottery. I&#039;d trade the whole team and the next 5 years draft picks for a new owner.

That said, why draft a PG if you have one? If they are lucky enough to win the ping-pong then trade Wall to NJ or Min for Lopez/Jefferson and their pick, then take Turner or Cousins. If it is Turner, then look to move Monta for some beef at the 4 who can score. Next, get rid of the Magette contract, which will likely cost a good cheap player. congratulations, you have a team that can make it to but not through the first round of the playoffs, which is a start. Sadly, as long as those assclowns Cohan and Rowell are around none of this matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what Warriors fans are reduced to by March; pipe dreams of winning the draft lottery. I&#8217;d trade the whole team and the next 5 years draft picks for a new owner.</p>
<p>That said, why draft a PG if you have one? If they are lucky enough to win the ping-pong then trade Wall to NJ or Min for Lopez/Jefferson and their pick, then take Turner or Cousins. If it is Turner, then look to move Monta for some beef at the 4 who can score. Next, get rid of the Magette contract, which will likely cost a good cheap player. congratulations, you have a team that can make it to but not through the first round of the playoffs, which is a start. Sadly, as long as those assclowns Cohan and Rowell are around none of this matters.</p>
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		<title>By: mz</title>
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		<dc:creator>mz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wall has not shown yet that he is the next Lebron.  The dude is averaging 16.5 PPG on 45% shooting in college, EXACTLY what Steph is doing as a ROOKIE IN THE NBA.  (Steph only averaged 21, 25 and 29 his three years in college, btw.) Wake up and stop drinking the John Wall koolaid. The Ws already have 2 exceptional guards in Monta and Steph, only the best statistical backcourt in the NBA, and Curry is turning heads so much that he may end up even money to be rookie of the year.  You cannot teach the kind of court sense and vision he has, and if they are going to have the chance, trade down for Turner or better yet, Cousins...the Ws problem is not at the 1, 2 and 3.  With Curry, Ellis, Morrow, Watson, Azuibuke and Maggette (yes Maggette should be a three and would be for any other coach than Don Nelson) the Ws are fine at the smalls.  What they have is a very good # 2 center in Turiaf, a #1 center with the worst touch in the league and two underachieving, overhyped, rail thin and injury prone fours.  Trade for Cousins and sign and trade for David Lee or get Al Jefferson in a sign and trade and Turner, get a decent coach, and, oh while you are at it, sell the team to Ellison, and the long national nightmare will be over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall has not shown yet that he is the next Lebron.  The dude is averaging 16.5 PPG on 45% shooting in college, EXACTLY what Steph is doing as a ROOKIE IN THE NBA.  (Steph only averaged 21, 25 and 29 his three years in college, btw.) Wake up and stop drinking the John Wall koolaid. The Ws already have 2 exceptional guards in Monta and Steph, only the best statistical backcourt in the NBA, and Curry is turning heads so much that he may end up even money to be rookie of the year.  You cannot teach the kind of court sense and vision he has, and if they are going to have the chance, trade down for Turner or better yet, Cousins&#8230;the Ws problem is not at the 1, 2 and 3.  With Curry, Ellis, Morrow, Watson, Azuibuke and Maggette (yes Maggette should be a three and would be for any other coach than Don Nelson) the Ws are fine at the smalls.  What they have is a very good # 2 center in Turiaf, a #1 center with the worst touch in the league and two underachieving, overhyped, rail thin and injury prone fours.  Trade for Cousins and sign and trade for David Lee or get Al Jefferson in a sign and trade and Turner, get a decent coach, and, oh while you are at it, sell the team to Ellison, and the long national nightmare will be over.</p>
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		<title>By: Whack-A-Dub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whack-A-Dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deano, are you retarded? If you really matched Miss st. and UK, you would realize bledsoe, patterson, and cousins are the main reason UK wins-the role players.
Whereas what Turner is winning with is phenomenal. It&#039;s almost as bad as what Curry had yet Turner is killing in the big 10. Kentucky is such a vulnerable team it&#039;s sad. If Wall did not have Cousins and Cousins did not have Wall, they would both suck.

Turner is so underrated that it&#039;s not even funny that MTII is talking about &quot;cashing in&quot; on the next raw, overhyped physically dominant player with no fundamentals and no coachability]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deano, are you retarded? If you really matched Miss st. and UK, you would realize bledsoe, patterson, and cousins are the main reason UK wins-the role players.<br />
Whereas what Turner is winning with is phenomenal. It&#8217;s almost as bad as what Curry had yet Turner is killing in the big 10. Kentucky is such a vulnerable team it&#8217;s sad. If Wall did not have Cousins and Cousins did not have Wall, they would both suck.</p>
<p>Turner is so underrated that it&#8217;s not even funny that MTII is talking about &#8220;cashing in&#8221; on the next raw, overhyped physically dominant player with no fundamentals and no coachability</p>
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		<title>By: deano</title>
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		<dc:creator>deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After watching yesterday&#039;s Kentucky - Miss. State game, I am even more sure that MTII is right about cashing in on the John Wall hype -- if we get that lucky. The Cousins - Vanardo match-up was interesting. Cousins looked better at the end, but he played only 26 minutes compared to V&#039;s 40.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After watching yesterday&#8217;s Kentucky &#8211; Miss. State game, I am even more sure that MTII is right about cashing in on the John Wall hype &#8212; if we get that lucky. The Cousins &#8211; Vanardo match-up was interesting. Cousins looked better at the end, but he played only 26 minutes compared to V&#8217;s 40.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spot on here MTII.  Turner is a much better fit for the Warriors.  If the Warriors got Lee or Jefferson + Turner and Azubuike back at full strength the turnaround would be swift.  

Since usually the Warriors have the worst luck possible, they&#039;ll probably end up at 6 in a perceived 5 player draft.  If that&#039;s the case, I&#039;d love Ed Davis to come to Golden State.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on here MTII.  Turner is a much better fit for the Warriors.  If the Warriors got Lee or Jefferson + Turner and Azubuike back at full strength the turnaround would be swift.  </p>
<p>Since usually the Warriors have the worst luck possible, they&#8217;ll probably end up at 6 in a perceived 5 player draft.  If that&#8217;s the case, I&#8217;d love Ed Davis to come to Golden State.</p>
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		<title>By: Whack-A-Dub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whack-A-Dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Wise, thumbs up.

But draft Turner if we get the 1st pick, everyone who saw the UK/Mississippi game knows bledsoe and patterson are the reasons UK won.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wise, thumbs up.</p>
<p>But draft Turner if we get the 1st pick, everyone who saw the UK/Mississippi game knows bledsoe and patterson are the reasons UK won.</p>
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		<title>By: The wise</title>
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		<dc:creator>The wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Naw I just believe we can trade for a big or sign one in free agency. And if we did go for a big I&#039;d take monroe over cousin because he works harder, and he&#039;s a beast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naw I just believe we can trade for a big or sign one in free agency. And if we did go for a big I&#8217;d take monroe over cousin because he works harder, and he&#8217;s a beast.</p>
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