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Why Warriors Chose Udoh over Monroe

I just talked with a couple of people in the know from the Warriors about why they went with Baylor PF Ekpe Udoh over Georgetown center Greg Monroe. I tried to ask all of the questions I’ve seen, and get the answers that weren’t prepared for the press conference.

For the record, I don’t agree or disagree with any of these answers. My opinion is once DeMarcus Cousins went No. 5, this draft was over. It didn’t really matter, because the Warriors needs are greater than what this draft could provide. It was either a trade, or just grab whoever and move on. That’s what the Warriors did, though many don’t believe they grabbed the best.

Anyway, here are the explanations I received to the questions surrounding their pick:

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If you need a center, why not get Georgetown center Greg Monroe?

From what I was told, the Warriors liked Monroe. He had some tools they liked. But his negatives gave them pause. He’s not athletic enough. And his game is better suited for the Princeton-style offense he played at Georgetown. The Warriors don’t need a high-post big man. They need a beast inside to get buckets, match-up with an opponents’ inside beast and protect the basket. Monroe wasn’t that. They did say he will be good, though. He just wasn’t the best fit and they didn’t have an interest in waiting for him to develop.

Why Udoh then?

He really impressed at his workout, and no one did anything to supplant him as No. 6 on their board. Not Xavier Henry. Not Paul George. Not Patrick Patterson. One person said it was very clear that Udoh was the best player at that spot. They like his defensive ability, especially because he can guard multiple positions, and he’s got a good enough offensive skillset that they didn’t feel like they were drafting a specialist.

OK, you liked Udoh. But why not trade down and get him later in the draft?

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One person I talked to was convinced that Udoh would not have been around later in the draft at 10 or 11. One said Detroit would’ve taken Udoh. Another said he wouldn’t have gotten past Utah, who took Gordon Hayward.

(This is me talking: Riley said he wanted a player in exchange for the No. 6 pick. He didn’t want to just swap No. 6 for, say, No. 11. He wanted No. 11 and a player. He didn’t want No. 11 and a second-round pick. And, obviously, No. 11 and cash didn’t do the trick.)

You said you needed a small forward, why not draft a  small forward?

They were not that impressed with the small forwards in the draft, at least not their ability to come in and contribute. The preference is for a veteran small forward, maybe even a beast, who can come in and make a difference. Whichever small forward they would’ve gotten, outside Evan Turner or Wesley Johnson, he would’ve taken a while to get to the point where he could have a key role.

(Me again: Expect the Warriors to make a play for a Rudy Gay or Andre Iguodala. Or even a third-tier SF type, like John Salmons or Rudy Fernandez. UPDATE: After the new owner is identified.

Why draft another PF when you have two already?

They, simply put, considered Udoh as the best player available and they took the best player. If Monroe was the best player in their mind, they would’ve drafted Monroe, even though that would’ve meant a fourth center (behind Biedrins, Turiaf, Gadzuric). Instead of missing on a guy by filling a need, they wanted to get the best player available in their mind and worry about how it fits later, kind of like Washington did (though on a different level of best player available).  And the reality is, one person said, they have to consider all trades because it is their only means for adding a difference maker. So loading up on talent gives you flexibility to be ready to go either way.

Will Udoh even see the floor?

I was told twice he will. Because he plays both ends, he will see some time. No one expects him to beat out Randolph or Wright, but he will cause them to have to be on their game. And one person pointed out, reluctantly, that no one knows how Brandan Wright will be coming back. That is why he is playing in summer league. He hasn’t played since January 2008. This person made it clear that they expect big things from Brandan Wright and that his progress has been good. But it’s not like an insurance policy is a bad idea.

(Riley said at the press conference that he cam see the Warriors using two PFs instead of a true center because of the length.)

Why not trade up and get Cousins?

Nothing was there. They tried, I was told, but the top five teams weren’t budging.

Why didn’t you draft for potential insted of a 23 year old?

“We just don’t need any more projects.” The sense I got was that management is kind of tired of waiting on guys and developing guys. They want some guys who are ready to play. They will be looking to add a couple veterans, a key one in a trade and maybe a vet with the midlevel, to give the team some level of experience. One person said it was important to give Stephen Curry some reliable horses. He can be even better if they get him some playmakers and consistent performers with him.

Marcus Thompson

  • http://www.ispithotfire.com Michael

    While I am disappointed, Riley gave legitimate answers.

    Hopefully, some trades will open up, and we can have some hope for Randolph and Wright.

  • mdub

    Thanks Marcus for the info!

    I like Udoh, and I think it was a bit of a reach to grab him at 6. I understand people’s frustrations with Monroe, but I rather have someone like Udoh who is willing to come in and play for minutes, and just be in the league. Monroe seems like he has a low motor, and the athletic ability is questionable especially with this (last) season of Nelson style offense.

    Udoh seems like a more athletic Carl Landry, and an undersized Paul Milsap. I know we’ve been calling for a bruiser down in the block to keep PFs honest, so hopefully Udoh can do that for us. It’s a change to draft a high character rookie, unlike the roller coaster attitude of Randolph according to reports his rookie season.

    Still hoping for some changes in free agency.

  • baysportsblood

    The Warriors right now remind me of the ugly dude you hang with who is super picky about the women he dates. Only wants dimes when all he is able to get are sixes.

  • some guy

    this is like a list of reasons as to why the Warriors have only been to the playoffs once in 16 years.

    maybe udoh is more NBA ready, but look at the teams in the west. the dubs aren’t ready to contend for the 11th seed, let alone the playoffs.

    udoh shot 49% & was a below average rebounder for a PF in COLLEGE despite being 23 (so he’s only one year younger than Andris). i had my doubts about wes (also 23), but at least he was above average in college (& was good his last season).

  • daniel

    so agree with the last point: we dont need any more projects. Love the mentality, the rationale, and I expect good things from this offseason in the same vein as last year’s.

  • gumby456m@warriorsworld!

    Disappointed by the pick, I think Steinmetz(or whoever said it) nailed it on Chronicle Live, the team is stuck in a VOID until the ownership change goes through.

    P.S – Great articles/twitter updates MT2

  • a

    Was there an editor involved in this post? Maybe if you read over it again you’ll know what I’m talking about. If not then here you go:

    “Anyway, here IS the explanations I received to the questions surrounding their pick:”

    “And one person pointed out, reluctantly, that KNOW one knows how Brandan Wright will be coming back.”

    Unfortunately I have nothing better to do at the moment. There you go.

  • Brian F

    Although I’m not on board with anything the Warriors do I must admit that I am not upset with the pick at all. Anyone who has seen this guy play more than once (like I have) knows that this guy is a defensive beast. He blocks shots better than anyone on the team now and he is no slouch offensively. He is about 240 lbs. so he is not a string bean like Randolph and Wright. With all that said I still think as long as Cohan owns this team there is nothing to look forward to. Sell the damn team already.

  • http://cctimes ECJ

    This was the right pick. Udoh is a nice player. He has a fire when he plays. He’s aggressive. He worked really hard after his transfer from Michigan, and developed himself quite a bit. He has a VERY good work ethic, and he seems to be a high character guy. I like what the W’s are doing, building around Curry, and trying to get hard working, disciplined guys in Oakland. Udoh is a blue collar player who will shore up the defense-less interior that is the Warriors front line.

    Monroe is soft, btw. he is NOT that good. Anytime a CENTER’s best attribute is is PASSING, you got problems. Plus, there’s questions about his “love of the game”. That’s polite for “the guy has no passion”. We do NOT need another Eric Dampier on this team. Monroe is another Damp. No thanks.

    We got the right guy. I’m sure the W’s want to showcase BWright in summer league so they can trade him for a SF or even package him and Monta for a legit 2 guard or SF.

  • http://www.eddieraydesign.com eRay

    Excellent read. I was curious about their thought process, so this helped tonsA lot of talk about “beast”s. That should excite you Warrior fans, they seem to be shooting for the moon. Name that popped into my head a couple times was Paul Pierce. Forget about him being from Cali, he’s a beast in every sense of the word and could step in there and make a difference with every guy on the roster. They need someone who knows how to win and expects it. Now he is a different level of “veteran” than say, Iggy or Gay, but his experience and leadership can’t be matched by any FA. I’m a Celtics fan, so I hope he stays with us, but his name kept darting into my head when reading about SFs.

  • Chris Cohan II

    I do not understand why the fans are dissapointed in the draft. Once Johnson was off the board there was only one clear cut choice for us and that was to f it up. The best prospects left on the board were bigs and the one thing I wanted to make sure of was that we continued our rich heritage of not knowing what the freak we are doing in regards to the #4 & #5 positions on our team.

    Udoh just felt like the right candidate. There was no buzz or excitement around him, he was exceptionaly average in college for his position, and he is only 1 year younger than the starting center we are currently trying to run out of town.

    I mean seriously, if you love the fact that we pay Turiof 5 million a year for 2 blocked shots a game and some very intense towel waiving then come on down to see our new rookie Ekpe Udoh in action. He has two more blocked shots waiting for you.

    Oh, and don’t forget to preorder your new Warriors jersey even though you have no idea what it looks like because we don’t have a picture of it yet!!!

    Huggs and Kisses,
    Chris Cohan II

  • Steve

    I still don’t understand this “we dont need another project” Do they not understand they aren’t going to be here? I think Aminu was the better pick frankly. Or trade down and collect an extra 1st NEXT year and grab a player like George. Look at Presti, Pritchard. These are GM’s that know what they are doing. And this is exactly why Riley will be fired and not have another GM job again. He showed the league he can reach and trade away assets. Nice job interview. Maybe he should wear a suit!

  • haastheman

    I’m not going to over react here. I’ve said all along that the last thing we needed was another 19 or 20 year old kid running around the floor, and that’s not what we got. I liked Monroe, but if he didn’t want to be here, screw him. Udoh is similar to some of the guys we have so i expect there will be moves to come.

    Seemed somewhat odd that we didn’t make any trades yesterday, but with the ownership up in the air, not too surprising. I hope we make a play for Rudy Gay. I’m a big fan of this guy, and we have the amunition to pull the deal off. However, I can see whoever we trade Memphis for Gay coming back to haunt us all season

  • Danzster

    As far as the draft was concerned, Marcus is dead on….our only hope was Sacramento stumbling and passing on Cousins. Yes, he may or may not fulfill his potential……but if he does, he becomes a difference maker. Whether the Dubs picked Monroe or Udoh, both likely to become “servicable” players, it only fuels the speculation as to how they will screw up the inevitable “next move” since we have 3 PF’s and 4 C’s.
    Brian F says it all…..close the deal!!! The owner / mgmt group is functionally neutered and will only be taken advantage of the longer Cohan drags out the drama surrounding the sale.

    But hey…..that’s some cool new logo wear, huh? Anybody actually wearing it in public?

  • jeff

    Speedy Claxton, Acie Law, Vlad Radmanovich, Raja Bell, Dan Gruzulec, Charlie Bell, Deavon George. I might have missed one, but this is the list of “talent” Riley has traded for the past 2 years. With each aqusition Riley announced his pleasure at adding veteran leadership to the roster. Hard to lead as a player if you have no skills.

  • Joe

    Is it spelled Udoh or Utoh? :)

  • Harp’s Dubs

    Monta and Randolph to the Grizz for Rudy Gay and OJ Mayo!

  • A’s in 2010

    “The sense I got was that management is kind of tired of waiting on guys and developing guys. ”

    UGH!! Fire everyone in the front office, scouts included. It’s their job to develope players and they’re too damn lazy and lack patience to deal with it. You got to be kidding me.

  • mdub

    1st move if Ellison buys the team should be to hire Kevin Pritchard. Pritchard did wonders with the Blazers even in this draft, and they cut him loose. If Pritchard were to become our GM, we would always have exciting off seasons even with a winning record, and I’m sure we would stockpile picks rather than give them away (i.e. Maggette).

    News is the Heat are willing to give Beasley away for more cap space, and ask for nothing in return. I would bite, but I’m not sure who would not make it on our roster (Tolliver?). We could always send over Charlie Bell, but who knows if they want that.

  • Q

    I’m now sold on Udoh. Worried about the shooting, but rebounding, toughness, and ability to block shots are valuable. I’m tired of waiting on guys to develop. Udoh is better than Wright and Randolph right now and wouldn’t be surprised if he remained that way.

    I like Rudy Gay, just don’t overpay!

  • OregonGuy

    I like the pick a lot. Remembering that it is Nelson’s last year, if he wanted to get anything out of the pick, they couldn’t take another project. Sounds like the team was on the right track in looking for a player as well as a lottery pick in exchange for the #6. My wet dream was deal with Houston for Ariza and the #14 who turned out to be Patrick Patterson. But I guess that was ‘pie in the sky.’ I’m happy with Udoh.

  • Ken

    MT – What if the Warriors could get a small forward that started all the playoff games for one of the NBA Finals teams ? Not played in some of the games, but started all of them, for the top coach in the NBA. He is also probably the tallest SF in the league.

    They get all this by re-signing Vlad Radmanovich.

    Generally, the sort of Warrior fans who post comments on the blogs are the ones who want to whine and complain, so they ignore the fact that Vlad was already injured when the Ws acquired him, and he played injured for weeks – out of position at 4 and even 5 – because the Ws had no one else.

    The idea that we are going to find a better SF than the person that Phil Jackson started every game of the NBA Finals is silly. Yes, Vlad was traded, but then again, Ws are not the Lakers, and we are not looking for that very small difference between losing Game 7 of the NBA Finals and winning it in the last minute – we are just trying to get to the playoffs.

    W fans saw an injured Vlad playing out of position, and so they have no respect for him – at least the ones who comment here…

  • TownLove

    Thanks for the insight Marcus. The Warriors was just #6 in a 5 player draft. Thats not necessarily Riley’s fault. Although they should have tanked properly at the end of the season like Sac did.

    Udoh is not the sexy pick, but Im trying to cut the FO some slack considering that they do a pretty good job evaluating talent.

    Looks like we are still years away from competing. It Sux being a Warriors fan.

  • Derek

    Why are so many idiots begging for Rudy Gay. Gay is the exact same player as Maggette. He’s a ball hog who stops or slows the flow of the game.

    Untouchables should be; Randolph and Curry

    Some Warriors fans are just as moronic as Larry Riley.

    No Hedo, no Gay, no Randolph trades, no give-aways, with maybe the exception being AB who has little to no value or game at this point.

    Guys who should go at all cost; Rad, AB, and the trash they recieved for Maggette. If a mainline player must go it should be Brandon Wright who’s to fragile to ever amount to much.

    Needs; Center, SF and back-up point guard. CJ Watson is not a point guard.

  • gsdubya

    Greg Monroe probably played shitty on purpose when the W staff checked him out. What a smart guy.

  • metrosexy

    “They were not that impressed with the small forwards in the draft, at least not their ability to come in and contribute. The preference is for a veteran small forward, maybe even a beast, who can come in and make a difference.

    (Me again: Expect the Warriors to make a play for a Rudy Gay or Andre Iguodala. Or even a third-tier SF type, like John Salmons or Rudy Fernandez)”

    How about Corey Maggette? He had a beasty year for that team in Oakland last year. Oh, that’s right, he’s a Power Forward. Nevermind.

  • Doctor K

    Great stuff,MT2. Thank you for posting this. Probably the most informative stuff on Udoh thus far. With all of their reasoning, I cannot argue against it. While perhaps another management team could have done better, if this is what was presented to them, then they probably made the right choice. We will see.

  • http://mercurynews.com Jay

    Udoh will come to practice and give wright and randolph all they can handle. It will make them all better….I’m hoping he’s a newer version of Larry Smith.

  • 15/70

    I loved Monroe’s skillset for the team, but right now he lacks defensive aggressiveness and offensive rebounding. A true center with skills are so hard to find, that is what’s disappointing.

    The Warriors don’t want another project… how do the Warriors expect to get a dominant big man, through free agency? The opportunity to get a player like Monroe with his size, skills at 20 years old only come around once or twice a decade. Warrior fans have been waiting 30 years for such a player. These big men are the players you dream of developing, not skinny string bean forwards who are available every year.

    In reality, it’s a good pick… Udoh has defensive skills, rebounding, shot blocking and he is almost as good a passer as Monroe. Monroe is a bit soft and not a good offensive rebounder at the moment. Udoh has a more aggressive personality at 23 than Monroe has at 20, and that may drive Udoh to greater success in the NBA. Monroe only has 1.5 inches and 10 pounds on Udoh, so the Warriors took the more aggressive big man and he can play some center for the Warriors. Maybe he can develop into an Al Jefferson type center with better defense… how knows.

    I honestly can’t remember a scenario where the best player available on all draft boards was a true center who offensively seemed to be good fit for the warriors, so I’m disappointed they didn’t take Monroe but looking /hoping for good things from Udoh.

  • dash

    @Derek

    …because idiots like you don’t realize we already have a ball hog who stops/slows the flow of the game in Monta.
    Except, Rudy’s 5 inches taller, more athletic, and more versatile. A ball hog yes, but an upgrade over Monta nonetheless.

    …that’s why we make the trade.

  • TheDubFan

    Come on…let’s get this out there once and for awhile for what it really is. This pick means nothing more than ALL Warriors picks (minus Curry who fell into their lap and RIley even admitted that was an EASY pick) previously. Here is what this means:

    1. The Warriors Staff are poor evaluators of talent. Period. See: O’Bryant (bright shiny object who played well in last 10 games of season) Udoh fits this. Gotta give the kid a chance, I understand, but is this REALLY the best use of the 6th pick? Are we really supposed that W’s history shows that we can rely on their ability to assess BPA?

    2. “We just don’t need any more projects.” All this says is that the W’s Coaches, Management, and Staff do not know how to develop young talent. And they have a coach who has no interest in young talent.

    This pick was universally panned by nearly every report out there. Let’s not make it more than it is. It’s a bad pick. That does NOT mean Udoh is a bad player and does not mean he will not work out. I certainly hope he does. But it absolutely means the W’s have no idea what they are doing.

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  • Leftshot

    This was a case where the Warriors were in a lose – lose situation.

    1. Pick the best player to address your most pressing need (defense and rebounding) and you are toast.

    2. In what is considered a “5 player draft” pick #6 and you are toast.

    3. Fail to make a big trade (with the 6th pick in a 5 player draft) and you are toast.

    4. Fail to pry away a top 5 pick in a “5 player draft” and you are toast.

    5. Fail to pick everyone’s favorite player (and there were at least a handful) beyond the top 5 with your ONE pick at #6 and you are toast.

  • http://www.twitter.com/BillCantDance BillCantDance

    Hard to judge this pick, although the word “underwhelmed” comes to mind. I would have prefered Monroe, but who’s to say what these guys will develop into over the next few years.

    The W’s definitely need some size and toughness down in the post, and hopefully Udoh will be able to fill the gap. Anything to keep them from being out-rebounded by a margin of 20 every game.

    Still, a lot of laundry they need to get rid of. Rad, Biedrins (I think he’s done), Speedy, Devean George, and most likely Chris Hunter. I’d still be in favor of moving Monta IF they can land another solid player in the post. Curry and Randolph are too intriguing at this point to move. And who’s to say when and if this franchise is going to be sold and what implications that could have (though hopefully Nelly will be gone).

    So far, though, it looks like another disappointing year for W’s fans.

  • TheDubFan

    Totally disagree with you Leftshot. You left out a couple of things. One thing they could have NOT done was pick a player with the exact same profile of 2 players they already have. Had they just done that it would have been better than what they did yesterday.

  • some guy

    i’m surprised so many are okay with the pick. they must be Cohan supporters. history shows that the older player, the less they are going to improve from what they already are (though there have been exceptions; primarily at the PG position).

    look Udoh (23), Aldridge (22 at seasons start) & guys of that ilk are CAREER ROLE PLAYERS who would best be served on teams that have star players & are ready to make a playoff push.

    that is not the dubs. the dubs are not built to win now. the 10 teams that will likely compete for the 8 playoff are the Lakers, Nuggets, Jazz, OKC, Portland, Mavs, Spurs, Hornets, Rockets & either the Suns or Grizzlies (depending on Amare).

    the dubs may not even be better than the Clips & Kings who will be adding Blake Griffin & Demarcus Cousins to replace the production of Gooden/Camby & Spencer Hawes. even Aminu at age 19 may be able to outproduce what Rasual Butler gave them last season.

    goes to show what an utter lack of a clue everyone involved in basketball operations has on this club. the sale can’t come soon enough. need a basketball ops staff like Presti’s in OKC that not only “gets it”, but is good at evaluating talent (Kahn may get it, but he’s horrible at drafting).

    they just drafted a light version of Ronny Turiaf (though Ronny was a much better college player – so it may be a poor man’s version of a light Ronny Turiaf.) onto a team that may only be better than Minnesota in the west. this might have made sense in the year they drafted Wright, but it makes no sense now. the 2 or 3 wins he may add this season over some supposed “project” player like Paul George or X Henry or Aminu aren’t going to matter except in terms of having a worse draft position in 2011.

    hell, i know Aminu was projected to be a SF in the NBA, but he was a better PF than Udoh in college & he’s only 19. in 4 years (at 23) he would have been putting up 20 & 14 in college based on the 16 & 11 he put up in 31 min (Udoh put up 13 & 9 in 35 min.

  • DKnight007

    In the great words of one Jim Mora Sr:

    In my Opinion….the Warriors organization just SUCKS!!

    LOL!

  • Robert

    Remember last year we could have used Udoh after AR and BW went down. Nothing wrong with adding an athletic big man. Against Duke in tourney he almost led Baylor paqst the champs. 18 pts 10 rb 6 assts 5 blocks. Says to me he is well rounded and steps up when it counts. Monroe is a stiff I watched him a lot last year. I think he may be decent but really he can’t jump or move laterally so he would be a liability on d. Plus his shot and post game are broke. Udoh can pass almost as well anyways.

  • Robert

    Also wanted to add this is great work Mr Thompson. Thank you for answering the fans questions in a logical and rationale manner. You clearly understand the game much better than that Kawakami guy. Can’t stand his criticism and pessimism.

  • slamdunk

    Thanks for your thoughts on the pick, Marcus. Nothing against Udoh, as he may be the best available player, but if Monroe turns out better, Riley will look like all the other crappy GM’s who picked the wrong player. I thought that the team really needed a low post scoring center the most, and I don’t think Biedrins, Turiaf, or this Gadzuric fills the bill at all. If Riley thinks that Nelson will play 2 of their PF’s, instead of a center, than that means more players playing out of position again, and the Warriors getting smashed on the boards and on the defensive end. You absolutely cannot play “small” in the Western Conference and get to the playoffs. Nelson just does not get it.

  • DKnight007

    slamdunk Says:
    June 25th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
    Thanks for your thoughts on the pick, Marcus. Nothing against Udoh, as he may be the best available player, but if Monroe turns out better, Riley will look like all the other crappy GM’s who picked the wrong player. I thought that the team really needed a low post scoring center the most, and I don’t think Biedrins, Turiaf, or this Gadzuric fills the bill at all. If Riley thinks that Nelson will play 2 of their PF’s, instead of a center, than that means more players playing out of position again, and the Warriors getting smashed on the boards and on the defensive end. You absolutely cannot play “small” in the Western Conference and get to the playoffs. Nelson just does not get it.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Monroe just would not have been anything special at the Center position for this team.

    Udoh at least provides a better defensive presence with athleticism, long wingspan, who can get to the rim, and guard some PF’s and SF’s!

    The Warriors have enough stiffs at the Center positon already…don’t need another one.

  • deano

    I agree that after Cousins, there were not any other probable starters in this draft; but GSW had the wrong reaction to that circumstance. Instead of getting a backup at PF, where they are two-deep, the Warriors should have traded the #6 for two lower picks and selected backups at SF and PG, where they are currently zero and one deep.

  • DKnight007

    In the great words of one Jim Mora Sr:

    In my Opinion….the Warriors organization just SUCKS!!

    LOL!

    How bout that one?

  • shazam

    We’re drafting guys because they want to be Warriors while trying to trade guys who actually have exceptional talent because they’re not Nelson’s type of players (Randolph, Biedrins.) We’re so @#$%ed…AGAIN. And the reason we DROPPED to sixth in the lottery, besides the stupid lottery system itself, was because Nelson tried to win every game down the stretch in a meaningless season.

    So there you go. Nelson dogged early by starting people like Vlad and Miki Moore over Randolph, then threw everything he could onto the floor to win at the end of the season when we were playing for nothing but lottery position.

    Man, you people keep falling for the same @#$% year after year.

  • DKnight007

    Should have taken Xavier Henry!

  • Tyler

    True that this was a 5 man draft, but Monroe was still the better pick then Udoh. Warriors have been looking for a big man that can score in the post for the better part of the last 30 years, but when one falls into our laps we take a slightly taller Ronny Turiaf instead???

  • PJ

    This draft seemed to have a lot of parody with the 6-15 picks. I had Udoh ranked 15 but it seems like splitting hairs to say someone else is way better. Untill they play some games you don’t know.

    I think Paul George will end up the best player in a few years from who they were choosing. Also like Babbit, Henry, Hayward – basically all the small forwards.

    Does anyone know of any video links to Udoh? There is very little on google/youtube of him.

  • Robert

    Deano not a bad idea if there were any takers.

  • TownLove

    IDK, Maybe as fans we get caught up looking for the sexy pick. The scorer instead of the all around player that is willing to actually play defense. The Jason Richardson over Shane Battier.

    Just because you are young doesnt necessarily mean you have a higher cieling. Even though you may be 19, you may have simply peaked sooner.

  • http://www.number15isaretard.com Mossie

    Post #15 lost all credibility when he said CJ Watson was not a good backup PG. Give me 5 backup PG’s you would rather have in this league.

  • lobo

    stupid people always contine to do stupid things….thats why….if the draft was over at five then swallow hard and just take a safe pick…someone with some upside who might contribute a bit…henry type if that is what one thinks…this guy ain’t no monster/beast when he get to the 48 minute league.

  • Jesse

    To me this was a good pick. We didnt need another left handed big man that could run the floor. Udoh reminds me of players like Brandon Bass/Paul Milsap/Carl Landry which is exactly what the Warriors need. I’m tired of seeing us getting beat up by a team like Utah. People also said not to draft Dejaun Blair because he’s had two knee surgeries and he’s turning out to be a good player for the San Antonio Spurs.

  • San Francisco Slim

    I understand Riley’s rational, and appreciate his honesty, but his judgement of talent is questionable. Udoh’s rebounding and offensive stats are horrible for a lottery big and he is 3 to 4 years older than the other candidates for the #6 pick. His ceiling is Ronny Turiaf, whom we already have. This is just a waste of a #6 pick. Admittedly there wasn’t a ton of talent after #5 – this is not Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan – but this pick will not help Riley get another job in the league.

  • Gunner

    Cohan, please sell the team already and so your crew can stop hurting it!

    Greg Monroe doesn’t fit the team’s style? What style? Don Nelson will be fired by the new owner anyway.

    And to Riley, what you have done recently has just increased the chance of you getting fired by the new owner.

    Trading Maggette for junk to save cash? The new owner can make his own decision on whether they need to make that trade when they take possession of the team.

    Drafting Udoh over other more recognized players will just make the new owner feel “wtf have you done”.

    Again, please sell the team already and so your crew can stop hurting it!

  • Gunner

    Let’s see what Riley has done in his recent moves:

    - Drafted Udoh
    - Traded Maggette for Charlie Bell + Gadzuric
    - Traded Stephen Jackson for Raja Bell + Radmanovic, and waived Raja Bell
    - Traded Belinelli for Devean George

    If I were one of the bidders, I would have put my bid contingent on Riley stop touching the roster!

  • http://cctimes ECJ

    Man, most of you guys are just straight up whiners. Always complaining, as if this blog is a chance to complain and nothing more. Its really pretty pathetic.

    Everyone complains about Maggette’s “outrageous” contract. So the team trades him and saves a bunch of cap space in the future, and now half of you are complaining. Unbelievable.

    Same with Jackson. Everyone complained about Jackson’s extension. So he gets traded, and the W’s shed his contract, and now you are complaining about the deal.

    Udoh is going to be FAR better than Monroe. Monroe has no passion. You can’t teach that, or “develop” it. Either a guy has it or he doesn’t. Udoh has it; he showed that after he transferred from Michigan to Baylor. He took that team, one nobody had any respect for, and led them to the elite 8. He’s a winner. He works hard. He’s tough. Oh, and his skill set IS NOT the same as Randolph or Wright. Those two are skinny, avoid contact, can’t play any defense, and are considered “super athletic”. udoh is a defense first player, unlike Randolph or Wright. Udoh is an offensive rebound specialist, and has an “emerging” post game. That can’t be said for Randolph or Wright.

    My sense is the Warriors will trade Wright and perhaps Monta for a legit 2 guard or SF.

    Stop whining people.. The W’s are for sale, and they have a nice young core of players.

    ECJ

  • TheDubFan

    ECJ,

    Just which players make up that “nice young core?” Curry? Definitely. Brandon Wright? has not played in 2 seasons. Biedrens? Dominated by Carlos Boozer every time they see each other. Dominated by Andre Bynum. Dominated by Amare Stoudamire. I’ll give you Randolph and Ellis but Ellis does not fit with Curry and Randolph issues are, IMO, more Nelson related than anything else. So you have Curry and Randolph (and that’s stretching it by saying that the Randolph we THINK he is is really who he is). Ammo? OK, maybe…but no one is breaking down the W’s door to get him which should lead everyone to believe that at the MAX the jury is still out.

    Then there are the D-Leaguer’s…don’t get duped into the Don Nelson “we can build through the league” program. If that were possible, other teams would be doing it. You don;t build around D-Leaguers in the NBA. Good concept but no successful team has done it yet. Chris Hunter, Miki Moore, Reggie Williams…come on. All good guys who put in a lot of effort last year and they deserve much respect for there heart and character. But I really think you are stretching it by saying there is a “nice young core.” At best there is an unproven young core based on Randolph and Randolph and Curry and Udoh is not enough to take this franchise to .500.

  • MWLX

    Great analysis, Marcus. It makes sense and provides good insight into the thinking of Riley and Nelson, who can make a claim they know what they’re doing after last year’s Curry pick. Just compare their picks with those of Chris Mullen (Ike Diogu, etc.).

    My only reservation is with your earlier post in which you said Warriors fans were disappointed with the Udoh pick. Please don’t confuse a bunch of loudmouths at Oracle with all Warriors fans. I am happy with the pick. A shot-blocker of his ability is going to be fun to watch.

  • A’s in 2010

    Nothing against Udoh. I just hate the way the front office handles things. They’d rather draft an older, NBA ready player who’s upside is a Ronny Turiaf-type. Pass on guys like Aminu who’s a reliable jumper away from becoming an absolute stud. They’d rather sell away 2nd round picks and get someone from the Developmental League who’s already.. developed. It’s just lazy, it’s like these guys want to work as little as possible and cash their checks.

  • aig

    I live here in Memphis and it has been well chronicled here in Memphis that Rudy does not want to play defense. We should stay clear of this dude.

  • The wise

    The warriors should really try and find a way to bring in Al jefferson. I tried it out on the trade machine, and biedrins along with either charlie bell, or azuibuke gets the job done. I also heard a rumor about the warriors having a trade in the works for kenyon martin involving Biedrins and Gadzuric. If we trade beans and bell for Jefferson I would salivate at the thought of trading monta for Mayo and thabeet. Trading for mayo would give up more cap space to bring on a three to go along with the addition of jefferson and have a solid replacement for the loss of monta. I think monta’s better than mayo but theyre not too far apart and mayo contract gives the dubs wiggle room. Now if they were to do what I insisted and trade Beans and a scrub for jefferson, and monta for mayo and thabeet, they should use every bit of cap space they have left to sign paul pierce to play 3.

    1.curry 2.mayo 3.pierce 4.randolph 5.jefferson

    Now thats a team. But riley isn’t “the wise” me so its too logical to happen.

  • haastheman

    I’m tired of hearing how this draft was a five player draft. In every draft there are busts and there are sleepers. A good GM and a good evaluater of talent finds players. When the warriors took Dunleavy with the third pick everybody said it was a two player draft. Caron Butler, Amare Staudamire, Tayshun Prince and Boozer came after the warriors drafted Dunleavy. Boozer and Matt Barnes were taken in the second round.

  • The wise

    Yea haastheman, a few teams who needed point guards passed on curry last year. I know minnesota is regreting it till this day because they passed him twice. Udoh just may be as baller. I can’t call it though because I really havent watched baylor play. All i’ve seen is udohs youtube, and thats the last thing you’d want to judge a player from.

  • DKnight007

    In the great words of one Jim Mora Sr:

    In my Opinion….the Warriors organization just SUCKS!!

    LOL!!!

    And the fans that buy season tickets are SUCKERS that Warrior management keeps laughing at…all the way to the bank!

  • http://yahoo The Wizard 317

    Except for last year,you get your Warriors hopes up before the draft and it all goes up in flames. Hope Udoh can give productive minutes but I think a trade is coming. All will change after the sale.

  • jackmeyhoffer

    i feel better after this blog. before i just felt that we didnt give a s?/’.now it makes a little more sense.

  • Spenny

    THIS GUY CAN BLOCK SHOTS LIKE A MUTHA!!!!!!!

  • Fierce South

    This will be known as another wasted pick once the season starts under new management. The new GM and Head Coach aren’t going to be as infatuated with Udoh. In fact, they’ll see Udoh as desirable trade bait. A team with a need for a PF like Phoenix will be interested after they lose Amare.

    Udoh will be stuck to the bench and traded later in the season. What a waste of a draft pick.

  • monpachi

    Might as well rename the title to “Why the Warriors have had 1 playoff season in 16 years”

    Todd Fuller, Adonal Foyle, Ike Diogu, Mike Dunleavy & now Udoh. safe picks that had serious red flags in their college stats.

  • Kobe Bryant

    Kiss my rings, for I am “The King.”

  • TownLove

    These people cryin on here are prob the same ones who were screamin ovr the Curry pick. Sayin ” Wat are they doin, we already have Monta!”

  • MWLX

    TownLove: You’re exactly right, and they’re the same ones who cried about losing Baron Davis, who has proven to be one of the most overpaid, inconsistent players in the league. If only we could take their keyboards away.

  • immafan4ever

    Only time will tell if Udoh will be a good pick. I didn’t follow college hoop so I don’t know his game. Other than Turiaf, the dubs don’t have anyone with a passion to grab rebounds and block some shots in the middle. AB was scared to go to the board out of fear of getting fouled. AR is more perimeter and BW has been hurt so we don’t know what kind of game he has. The recent playoffs have shown that rebounds do matter. Think back to how many games we let slip away because we couldn’t secure one lousy rebound. Let’s give this young man a chance to show his stuff.

  • Jeremy

    I’m coming around a little more on Udoh. Still mad they didnt grab Monroe, but at least his floor is fairly high.

    The Warriors should be talking to Toronto about Hedo to solve their SF problem. I would deal Monta for him straight up, or if they prefer a salary dump Brandon Wright and Vlad or Gadzuric works. I’m sure they’ll be asking for Randolph since they’ve always been high on him, but Randolph should be off limits unless you’re getting an elite big man back. Toss a pick their way along with Wright/Vlad.

    Curry
    Monta
    Hedo
    Randolph
    Turiaf

    Williams
    Udoh
    Beidrins
    Tolliver
    Bell
    Morrow
    Azbuike
    Gadzuric

  • Earl Monroe

    Rudy Gay is just like Maggette a black hole, and a black hole who doesn’t play defense. Maggette has better stats than Gay and played 10 minutes less per game.
    And believe it or not, Maggette’s assist numbers are better not just last year but over the whole career. Numbers do not lie.

    This team does not need Rudy Gay.

  • Earl Monroe

    #55-

    Who knows how Udoh is going to turn out
    No issues with trading Maggette-the offense should run better
    Stephen Jackson needed to go
    Bellinelli?

    Not the best of GM’s but way better than St. Jean

    You may be ticked off about Udoh but the other moves needed to be made for
    the team to become Curry’s, that is the reason Maggette was traded so most of the decisions could be made by Curry on the court, now most of the offensive action will be either Ellis or Curry with Randolph cleaning up.

  • Tdubb

    All the whining is funny, Udoh was the correct pick. Monroe is a Nelly kind of guy but they need a beast inside. Physical and willing to push back, like Turiaf. Udoh may not be a star but do you remember a PF named Buck Williams, every team loved him because he did the dirty work, the Warriors need that badly.

    I watched every game last season and I must be missing something but the Warriors rarely got blown out and they usually lost it in the 3rd or 4th when an adjustment was made to expose their lack of physical play. Udoh is physical! Let Udoh play this summer and give him a chance, not a star but solid mark my words.

    Nelly is the problem, playing guys out of position all the time, especially young guys does not maximize their strengths, it exposes their weaknesses and equals losing. His slight of hand is predictable and tired. It all starts with the coach!

    A trade is coming just wait, probably Monta for Gay, Mayo or Igodula with some throw in players. Curry is now the leader and he needs Monta’s playing equal but taller. Remember Monta just bought a big ass house in Memphis, hint hint hint. Find the legit big guard or small forward now watch the wins come. Not championships, it’s the Western Conference.

  • MWLX

    Jeremy: You would trade Monta, who is 24, for Hedo, who is 31, straight up? Get off this board!

  • sartre

    I hope that trade is for Iguodala – strong defender, genuine point forward, and can score in a variety of ways with reasonable efficiency (and only 26). Gay and Mayo have shown up poorly on some defensive stats (they’ve played their part in Memphis being one of the weaker defensive unit). I really struggle to understand all the Gay hype – some team other than the dubs will end up over-paying for him. Mayo probably is a stronger back court pairing with Curry but I like to think we could get better value than him from any Monta trade.

  • Jeremy

    MWLX

    I forgot age is the only really important factor in trades. Thanks for the insightful response.

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  • iwantmythunderbck

    I think good choice by GS our pick wanted to be a Warrior and has a motor, monroe plays more European we need a banger.