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Warriors Ready to Ship Randolph to Knicks for Lee … Waiting on LeBron

Would you like the Warriors acquiring David Lee if they could also keep guard Monta Ellis?

That is a distinct possibility depending on LeBron James’ decision tomorrow. Multiple sources told me the Warriors have an offer on the table that sends forward Anthony Randolph and other pieces to New York in a sign-and-trade deal for Lee.

If LeBron announces he is going to New York, in order to make room for his max contract, the Knicks would have to renounce Lee to free up the cap space. That would end the sign-and-trade possibility and the Warriors’ chances at Lee. But if LeBron doesn’t say the Knicks when he announces his decision …

… Then the Warriors are “in the game” for Lee. One source said the Knicks have at least three sign-and-trade offers on the table in case LeBron opts to play elsewhere. But the Warriors like their chances, considering Randolph is a hot commodity. The Knicks really like Randolph and weren’t so high on Ellis. Certainly, the contracts have something to do with it.

I have not confirmed who the other players are, but the obvious candidates are center Ronny Turiaf, swingman Kelenna Azubuike and forward Brandon Wright. It’s possible an expiring contract is in there (Vladimir Radmanovic). But, from what I’m told, the Warriors advantage is that they can offer players, which the Knicks’ need.

Of course, Golden State would have to work out a deal with Lee for a sign-and-trade to happen, even if the Knicks like the Warriors’ offer better. One source said the Warriors will not offer a maximum contract, but the Warriors could go as high as $13 million in the first year of a six-year contract (that would be $78 million excluding raises). With Chicago signing Carlos Boozer, that is one less team the Warriors have to worry about. However, New Jersey can still outbid the Warriors. Plus, Lee could, in the end, prefer to land elsewhere.

Warriors’ management, I’m told, is excited at the prospect of adding Lee to Ellis, Stephen Curry and center Andris Biedrins. That would give them four positions set and address their rebounding disparity.

Definitely risks involved. If the Warriors gave Lee $10 million a year, no raises, that is $60 million committed. To do that and give up Randolph, whew, that is a lot. But, Lee is a 20-10 guy who has proven himself. He is more of a win-now guy than Randolph. I think Randolph has star potential, but I understand if the team wants to cash in potential for certainty. Still, if Lee isn’t a 20-and-10 guy … I’ll just say it’s risky. But I definitely like Lee with Monta than Lee inexchange for Monta. The effectiveness of Lee will depend a lot on Biedrins. If he gets back to what he was, and he would have help on the boards, that would go a long way to helping this potential Lee deal pay off.

Oddly enough, one source was convinced the Warriors can pull off this big a deal without onwer Chris Cohan pulling the plug. With the sale pending, it would seem adding such a big contract is off limits. But I was assured it was not, and if everything falls in place the Warriors will do this deal. The belief is that getting Lee does not hurt the value of the franchise.

Why not?

* Because they aren’t giving away one of their big draws (Curry, Ellis), though one could argue Randolph is a big deal to Ws fans

* Because they are getting an All-Star. I’m told president Robert Rowell and even Cohan are excited about adding Lee

* Because all they really did was replace Maggette (and whoever they threw in) with Lee, so it is pretty much revenue neutral for this season

Marcus Thompson

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  • Doctor K

    Interesting. Okay, now I have a reason to be pissed at LeBron! LOL

  • http://ScrewWarriors.com Don Nelson

    That has got to be the opposite of true and the opposite of a good trade. Does Nellie/Riley still have financial ties with New York, or are they trying to kiss up to Lebron?

  • sleepy freud

    Great news, but I would keep Braden Right and move him to SF. Sweet!

  • MR_FJG_SON

    SMH is all I can say…Riley just trying to pad his resume before he leaves. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ridiculous.

  • http://ScrewWarriors.com Don Nelson

    Why Dont they throw in Biedrins too? WHo the f is going to play 4? The draft pick has already picked up Wright Fever and is injured.

  • yuri

    Keeping Biedrins huh? God help us and his osteitis pubis.

  • Matt

    This would be a big mistake. I don’t see how taking on Lee’s huge new salary whilst dumping their most promising young big man in at least a decade would do anything to save this front office’s (Riley’s) job. Lee is just like those that have come and gone before him here: he makes the stat sheet look nice but does nothing to impact games. Randolph is raw as can be, but STILL, even at 20 years old, he impacts games! This team is going nowhere with or without Lee, so why not be patient and let this kid develop. It’s not like his nemesis, Nelson, is going to be sticking around much longer anyway. Good lord, I am just about done with this franchise.

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  • joey

    Lee just isn’t that good and in two years we will be desperate to get rid of his overpriced contract. Don’t do it!

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  • rebuild

    Is Lee really worth building around? Isn’t he the second coming of Troy Murhpy? Why not send Udoh and a bunch of junk like Vlad instead?

  • Maurice Brown

    Who is Randolph ? Does he have a last name?

  • Greg

    Awful – I’d so much rather send Ellis than Randolph. Good Lord this ownership change can’t happen soon enough. Awful.

  • Dresden

    God, I hate this team.

    We don’t need Riley and Rowell tinkering with the roster. What we need is for them to get the hell out of here as fast as possible and to take the fat man with them.

    The idea of giving up the only special young big man this team has had in 20 years for Lee is beyond asinine.

    The fact that some in the media are co-signing this nonsense is almost as bad.

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  • A’s in 2010

    SELL THE TEAM NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE

  • A’s in 2010

    Udoh gets injured. Now the dumb az front office is gonna trade Randolph and severely overpay a stat padding, no defense loser.

    what a horrible, horrible day.

  • Bleep

    This is Randolph’s 3rd year of being promising. I’d rather have Lee! I’d rather not give them Wright too though. He could be a good complementary piece.

  • …scotch

    “Warriors’ management…is excited at the prospect of adding Lee to Ellis, Stephen Curry and center Andris Biedrins”

    Can we interpret that to mean Andris has recovered from his health issues? What say your sources??

  • Mike

    Matt, can you point to any evidence to substantiate that Randolph “impacts” the game more than Lee? Lee was top 10 in defensive rebounding percentage and total rebound percentage last year. Warriors had the worst defensive rebound percentage in the league last year, adding Lee to a hopefully healthy Andris Biedrins will go a long way ensure minimal second chance points for the opposition.

    Randolph is has shown potential, but that’s it. Lee is proven legit PF and an elite rebounder, something that the Warriors sorely need. We don’t need another perimeter oriented tweener at PF, we need size.

    So far, the only “impact” I’ve seen from Randolph is dribbling aimlessly and launching ill advised jumpers. He’s improved no doubt, but still very inconsistent and raw. Lee however is still young, has good size and athleticism, and is good at pick and roll offense. I fail to see how this is not a slam dunk trade for the Warriors.

  • jaz0ne

    “severely overpay a stat padding, no defense loser.”

    We have Ellis on the team. Might as well get another one.

  • John Starks

    Dubs must keep Ellis. If for nothing more than tempo, which most of the team is currently built for. There are few guys in the league that match Ellis’ pace.

    Having Lee WITH Ellis would be ideal. It makes giving up Maggette sound much better. When you replace his scoring and you get a rebounder/paint presence in the process, you’ve actually done quite well.

    For the love of God, just don’t suck any more. I’m not expecting to go .750, but can we at least not be a laughing stock? I’d be perfectly fine if we went .250 and lost every game by 3 or less.

  • G

    I think this trade is great for the Warriors. I’m tired of them being a team filled with potentially good players. Lee is an all-star. when was the last time we had one of those?? If somehow we can grab Mike Miller with the mid level exemption, the W’s look like a playoff team if healthy.

  • WarriorDragon

    I guess David Lee will START at PF. GS cannot SIT a 20/10 player. Udoh will come off the pine in his rookie year. GS need to get a quality SF. I guess Lee can play minutes behind Biedrens. I trade Monta for a quality SF plus a 1st rounder in return. Maybe, GS will wait for the injury prone Mike Miller to make up his mind where he wants to play.

  • DKnight007

    Since Marcus states, Cohan and Rowell want Lee, than that to me is bad news in itself!

    It’s the LOOOUUUSY WARRIORS and there history of stupid moves!

    LMAO!

  • lobo

    no one in their right mind wants to come here until the dusts settles…if idiots nos. 1 and 2 like the deal that is a good enough reason to stay away. i have always said that randolph etc never “worked on” getting better as they hate this place and want out…i really mean that….if a trade goes down as much as i really love ellis, the team is better off with randolph/wright

  • David Wood

    I can’t believe they’re seriously considering this. If they do this trade I’m officially done as a Warriors fan, regardless of the sale or not. David Lee is a glorified Troy Murphy, and they want to pay him 60 mil and trade him for Randolph?!? This is exactly why bad teams stay bad. They panic and trade away their best potential for proven overrated players.

  • Corny

    People keep saying that Randolph is promising, but he shows almost nothing in the way of big man basketball skills every year and he seems too hard headed to learn. We’ll see, but as of now he just seems like an extremely atheletic, low skill forward who thinks he’s better than he really is.

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  • Willy

    I was hoping to dump Ellis and keep Randolph. Daggumit!

  • Michael

    Please no! At $13M to start, Lee is far too expensive. The Warriors just got out from under Maggette’s contract. They (and most of the fans) don’t need this.

  • WarriorDragon

    Rumors has it Udoh injured his left wrist on a 36inch vertical tomahawk dunk, he wants to show Chris Cohan all his dunks, I don’t know if GS has film of his workout for the owner. That’s just a rumor.

  • sartre

    I don’t see how you could pass on that deal. To get something of value when dealing you generally have to sacrifice something you’re reluctant to lose. I’ve been energized and excited by Randolph’s best moments of skill and athleticism but there just hasn’t been enough evidence of growth in him as a player. Even when healthy last year he remained inconsistent and prone to boneheaded plays. I appreciate he is young and that Nellie’s man management skills were appalling with him. But on balance getting an all star player who addresses major team deficits (rebounding, low post scoring) and who is still relatively young with a good temperament and work ethic makes this a winning trade. He is also an excellent screen and role man who could develop a great combination with Curry. Add a good wing defender (Wright, Brewer) with the MLE and we’ve got a far more competitive and still young team with some depth off the bench.

  • WarriorDragon

    I don’t know where Randolph will play, the Knicks just sign Stodemire. Maybe Randolph will play center. The Knicks will have to promise Randolph some big time money when his rookie K is up.

  • Squall

    Anthony Randolph for David Lee

    is just like

    Chris Webber for Tom Gugliotta

    An athletic potential star PF for a stat padded, sub-par defensive PF.

    Why pay all that money to Lee when the collective bargaining agreement is going to change NEXT YEAR?!?!?!

  • DKnight007

    A’s in 2010 Says:
    July 7th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
    Udoh gets injured. Now the dumb az front office is gonna trade Randolph and severely overpay a stat padding, no defense loser.

    what a horrible, horrible day.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Giving Lee a big contract will be another stupid move by the Warriors.

  • John

    With Lee and Biedrins anchoring the defense inside the key, look for teams to score 100 pt a game in the paint

  • http://ScrewWarriors.com Don Nelson

    Cmon is this April Fools Day, or Just Anyone fools Riley?

  • johnny

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    this is a horrible deal for the W’s. Lee stinks.

  • Gwydion

    Are there a pair of handcuffs big enough to keep the Warrior fron office out of trouble?

    Just more stupid crap. Randolph is going to be way better than Lee.

  • DKnight007

    David Wood Says:
    July 7th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
    I can’t believe they’re seriously considering this. If they do this trade I’m officially done as a Warriors fan, regardless of the sale or not. David Lee is a glorified Troy Murphy, and they want to pay him 60 mil and trade him for Randolph?!? This is exactly why bad teams stay bad. They panic and trade away their best potential for proven overrated players.

    ^^^^^^^^
    EXACTLY!

  • DKnight007

    IT’S THE LOOOOOUSSSSY WARRIORS!

    FIRE BOB FITZERALD ALSO!

  • dave

    This will be another in a long line of huge mistakes for the Warriors- Randolph will be a star and Lee falls on his face

  • Bleep

    I can’t believe people are against this. Getting 20/10 would be Randolph’s dream. It would only happen if he reaches all of his potential, which isn’t a certainty at all. And don’t tell me Randolph currently plays any better defense than Lee. Sure, he can block shots, but is usually way out of position when doing so.

    Lee is a much better player than Randolph right now, and will be for quite some time — perhaps permenently. These sobbing posters seem to think that potential is destiny.

  • Josh

    With the new CBA coming why would you overpay anybody other than a top 10 player? Adding Lee is a Knicks’s trade from the Thomase era. Yes Randoplh is unproven but Lee was the only rebounder on the team and can not play D for his life. He is Biedrins with a jumpshot and a lot less D. So someone please pull the plug on Riley’s phone. Please send hate mail ASAP.

  • sartre

    @DKnight007. Does your day job involve carrying a sandwich board declaring ‘the end of the world is nigh’?
    I understand how frustrated many fans have been by the unbelievable ineptitude of the front office and ownership. The amount of money involved is a concern (as it is with virtually any player who commands that price) but this doesn’t seem like such a big gamble. Lee has been a fairly consistent player who has steadily improved his game to the point of becoming an all star. That’s a strong résumé.

  • WarriorDragon

    Randolph hate playing outta position. Randolph can go 45/10 against a small team in the NBA at the 4 spot. I just don’t know about this swap. Lee is a good player who can play the 4/5, Randolph just want to game at the 4 spot. I think the coach need to keep player at their natyral position. This is a good deal for GS, but GS gotta pony money for a PF, when they drafted a future PF in Udoh.

  • WarriorDragon

    Maybe GS can do a 3 way deal to get an allstar SF, they gotta move Lee to another team, but GS like Lee game so I just don’t see that happening. Biedrens can go 30/20 in a game, so it’s hard to take Biedrens outta the middle as a starter.

  • aka17

    This is a total shock and from now on I will never buy a single ticket for a worrior’s game if they trade AR
    this is a crappy Org.

  • rarf

    Im o’k with this lee thing.Warriors still a young power forward and his name is BRANDON WRIGHT.

  • DKnight007

    sartre Says:
    July 7th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    @DKnight007. Does your day job involve carrying a sandwich board declaring ‘the end of the world is nigh’?
    I understand how frustrated many fans have been by the unbelievable ineptitude of the front office and ownership. The amount of money involved is a concern (as it is with virtually any player who commands that price) but this doesn’t seem like such a big gamble. Lee has been a fairly consistent player who has steadily improved his game to the point of becoming an all star. That’s a strong résumé.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Guess what?? The Warriors are still LOOOOOUUUUSYYYYY!
    LMAO!

  • Mike

    You’ve gotta believe the Nets will be willing to pay more than the Warriors. No need for them to trade the Knicks anything. A sign and trade only makes sense for Lee to accept if it means he gets a bigger contract from the Warriors than the Nets will offer straight up. Not happening.

  • pixellatedspace

    Another horrible trade by the Warriors. If there is a God please intervene.

  • ddog

    It makes little sense to have a management team that is clearly on on its way out make several extensive decision that will effect the long term fortunes of a franchise.

    Given this franchise, and given this management team, it makes even less sense.

    Warriors Management: Please. Don’t. Touch. Anything.

  • mbuchel

    Lee’s 20-10 is only impressive if you don’t know anything about basketball except box scores. By that measure, Corey Maggette was a great get for the Bucks because he’s an efficient scorer. But I doubt anyone who follows the W’s thinks trading Maggette for a bucket of hot wings was a bad idea. Lee will make the W’s worse, not better.
    The idea that the outgoing regime would making any decisions like this is idiotic. So it makes perfect sense.

  • DKnight007

    ddog Says:
    July 7th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    It makes little sense to have a management team that is clearly on on its way out make several extensive decision that will effect the long term fortunes of a franchise.

    Given this franchise, and given this management team, it makes even less sense.

    Warriors Management: Please. Don’t. Touch. Anything.

    ^^^^^^^
    I can’t wait for Rowell, Riley, Nellie and Bob Fitz to get the heck out of here!

  • DKnight007

    sartre Says:
    July 7th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    @DKnight007. Does your day job involve carrying a sandwich board declaring ‘the end of the world is nigh’?
    I understand how frustrated many fans have been by the unbelievable ineptitude of the front office and ownership. The amount of money involved is a concern (as it is with virtually any player who commands that price) but this doesn’t seem like such a big gamble. Lee has been a fairly consistent player who has steadily improved his game to the point of becoming an all star. That’s a strong résumé.

    ^^^^^^^^
    The acceptance of continued losing is in itself a LOSERS mentality!

  • David Wood

    Typical Warriors fan mentality here- ‘David Lee is an All-Star! He’s better than any PF we’ve ever had! He puts up 20/10!’ Well guess what- he put up those numbers on a bad team and he made the All-Star team once in a conference that doesn’t have a ton of PFs. How many times has David Lee taken his team to the playoffs? Oh right, zero. Even Corey Maggette went to the playoffs once, and look how that turned out. Everyone’s getting way too excited over these good-stats-on-bad-teams players.

  • WarriorDragon

    I believe Udoh can play BIG SF. Since he game like Wilkins, possess a good 3 pts shot, got moves like Julius Erving with that reverse layup in the highlights. GS will have a BIG line-up.

  • gary

    David Lee is a true PF, a 20/10 player on a bad team, and an All Star. AR, BW, and the rookie are all unproven and projects under development. As for fit on the Ws, who knows?

    We have a guard-oriented team with nothing notable at the 1, 2, and 3 positions. I’d go so far to say that nothing is of value (except small contracts) at 2 and 3. And there is no skill at the 1. Now take a look at the Lakers and see how we match-up underneath. Ridiculous currently.

    Picking up a proven, All Star 2 is a great idea, if we can make it happen. Let’s add some bulk.

  • petaluman

    Mike,
    The only way for Lee to get 6 years is via a S&T (NY has Bird rights on him). The Nets could offer him a max deal for 5 years, though. The math gets complicated, because Bird rights also include the ability to give 10.5% annual raises, whereas the Nets could only offer 8%.

    Bottom line: Lee could get the most total $ and years via a S&T, even if it’s not a max offer. However, as a FA he has total freedom of choice. If our competition really is the Nets and Twolves, we actually don’t look like that bad an option. Of course, we don’t know who else is trying the S&T route.

  • Mark

    I like the trade. Randolph has upside but is far from a proven commodity. Lee is a bonafide PF who can rebound and is solid on offense. He wont have to play center since Beans will still be on the roster allowing him to play better defense. With the trade I think the Warriors are guaranteed a playoff spot.

  • A’s in 2010

    ” I’m told president Robert Rowell and even Cohan are excited about adding Lee ”

    SALE THE TEAM NOW!!!

  • Gunner

    Cohan, please just sell the team and disappear from Warriors fans’ lives.

  • About Time

    Hate to lose the young fella but kinda sick of waiting for AR to develop into a star….we finally might have the inside threat we’ve needed for quite a while. No more silly jumpshots unless their open and we could dump it into Lee or Udoh. We can screen and roll with chicken Curry and Lee Kum Kee all day! Hopefully Biedrins and Wright can get into the mix and stay healthy for petes sake! Resign Morrow and CJ. Now all we need is Josh Howard to accept the MLE and we’re ready to roll. GET THIS DEAL DONE RILEY!

  • http://hoopshype yanni c

    David Lee is a bonified allstar who rebounds and brings alot of intangables. He is the type of team player that G.S. needs to take the next step. True Randolph has tons of talent… but no head…G.S.should jump on this if true.

  • Gunner

    This deal depends on so many things:

    1) Lebron signing with NY – unlikely to happen because NY with Stoudemire and Lebron is probably not as strong as the current Cavs.

    2) Lee needs to like GS – unlikely because no players want to play for us nowadays

    This deal is extremely unlikely because it depends on (1) AND (2)!

    Dream all we want. But I think our only hope is a new owner who has the pockets and willingness to build a winning team (Ellison instead of those private equity guys who probably wants to spin the franchise to make money off it)

  • The wise

    Thats so stupid… The knicks would do it because they already know randolph will be better than lee.smh Lee for biedrins maybe but not randolph. Curry, monta, and randolh should all be players that are off limits.

  • Steve
  • permabear

    Between Ellis and Randolph, I’d keep Ellis any day. Randolph, while admittedly still young and immature, has been the picture of inconsistency. There are times he plays brilliantly and other times he’s sleeping on the floor. I prefer players that have a consistent motor. Biedrins has the motor. Injuries held him back last year. If he can return to the form of two years ago, he’s a double double added to Lee’s double double. Rebounding issues will be a thing of the past. Curry, Ellis, Morrow (or other), Lee and Biedrins isn’t a bad starting lineup. I think it’s an improvement over last year and moves the Ws in the right direction.

  • AQ

    this is a good trade, because it allows the warriors to gain talent immediately and not just be loaded with potential. Randolph still a few more years from being great. Next season we can add more talent when we get more cap space since we no longer have corey maggette. With Lee this team will be a lot better.

  • Hook Mitchell

    I would only involve Randolph in a deal if it was considered a BLOCKBUSTER trade.

    David Lee does not qualify as a BLOCKBUSTER deal…

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  • robert rowell

    there is no god, so he isn’t up there in the clouds listening to your prayers, fellow W’s fans.

    david lee == troy murphy

    so by that logic alone, you know we want him and are willing to overpay to get him.

  • K-Dubb

    Believe or not, this is actually a good trade. For those of you who state that Lee is is a “glorified version of Troy Murphy” obviously haven’t seen Murphy or Lee play. The difference is while both grab a decent share of boards, Lee is more of a defensive rebound specialist who actually gets physical with opposing players while Murphy would only chase uncontested boards and get abused in the paint. And while Randolph has “potential”, he hasn’t proved anything since he has been with the warriors other than the fact that he plays with alot of emotion, which doesn’t help you win games if you don’t control them.

  • Greg

    This proposed trade is a disaster. Lee is a horrible defender. Give Randolph his minutes per game and I guarantee Randolph puts up better numbers now and has way more upside. Another short sided, stupid proposal by a management team that needs to go.

  • Greg

    If I were one of the bidders they should put one of the stipulations should be that the existing management team cannot do any additional changes to the roster. Hopefully Lee signs with the Nets so they can save the Warriors from themselves.

  • jj

    EVEN IF LEBRON SAYS “KNICKS” WARRIORS CAN GET LEE IN A 3-TEAM TRADE. KNICKS DO A S&T OF LEE FOR RANDOLPH (THEY HAVE ENOUGH LEFT FOR LEBRON AFTER RENOUNCING THE TRADE EXCEPTION) AND TURIAF, AZZUBUIKE & WRIGHT OR EXPIRING CONTRACT + 3 MILLION TO MINNESOTA (WHO HAS THE CAP SPACE AND NEEDS A CENTER)

  • WarriorDragon

    He’s a 6’9 Troy Murphy allstar. I can live with that, we’d cannot game Lee in the middle, it ain’t gonna happen. That will cut into Biedrens PT. Is this deal on the table? If it’s a rumor out to the media, it’s a dead deal IMO.

  • All Pro Steve

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO…HELL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO…NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • J-Walk

    I initially was against trading Randolph along with Monta for Lee. If we can keep Monta and Wright while shipping off Randolph with maybe Azubuike and Vlad, then you have to do that deal. This team is unbalanced. Wright, Randolph and Udoh are too similar to each other. They need a low post guy who you can run the offense through. Someone who can play the pick and roll, hit a mid range shot consistently and rebound. Lee is all those things. This trade makes the Warriors better. Lee is just entering his prime and he is an all-star. What more can you ask for when deciding to trade away your vast potential. You get Lee and your set at 4 positions, assuming Biedrins can come back to previous form. Now you use your mid level on a solid 3 and your talking a young up-and-coming team.

  • Jeremy

    I would give the Knicks two options:

    A) Randolph and Beidrins
    B) Wright, Azubuike, and Radmanovic

    If the Knicks want the W’s best young player, the have to take the Warriors worst contract. If they want financial flexibility along with guys who can play, they have to take the bigger risk on the young player. If they say no to both, who cares. The Warriors still have valuable trading chips.

    I only want Lee if he can play with Curry, Monta, and Randolph but getting rid of Beidrins’ in a package for an All Star is worth it.

  • johnny

    a stupid contract proposal like the one with Lee can only hurt the franchise value as part of the sale process. I bet this doesn’t go thru.

  • Daneroner

    I see Randloph with the poetential to be a Chris Bosh type player!! Im not saying he will be Bosh but pretty close. After the Draft I dont know if I can good through another bad move. What we should do is just get rid of Nelson now!!! Everybody knows he is gone when the new owner takes over. THERE SHOULD BE NO BIG MOVES UNTIL THE NEW OWENER TAKES OVER!!!!!!

  • woefulwarriors

    I can’t imagine Lee approving this whole thing, and he does have to accept the offer to make it work, doesn’t he?

    Randolph does have more athletic potential, no doubt, but at a very low likelihood of coming to fruition. His brain is the size of a peanut and he will never develop to his full potential. I say trade him and be done with it. Let him be the Knicks problem. Warriors will miss the playoffs either way. As a positive, we dump Radman and his contract (and I can’t for the life of me understand how he gets that much money). We won’t have new owners in control of things for several months yet at the earliest, and by then free agency will be over. So, now or never to f around with things for little reason….one last time for Rowell, Riley and Nellie.

  • WarriorDragon

    Listen… this is what GS can do. Start Randolph at 4, and Udoh at 3, Biedrens in the middle at 5. GS don’t make any trades.

  • Scoreboard

    Randolph doesn’t want to play for Nellie that is pretty obvious. Ship him out, Lee is a stud. Plus who cares? As a Warriors fan I must say we can’t get any worse! :)

  • WarriorDragon

    Randolph will be happy at 4. Udon can stroke the 3s and have moves to the basket. GS don’t even need players.

  • WarriorDragon

    GS don’t even need Mike Miller. GS save some money and they are below the cap. Just sign fillers as bench players.

  • WarriorDragon

    This is the line-up:

    PG- Curry 6’3
    SG- Monta 6’3
    SF- Udoh 6’10
    PF- Randolph 6’10
    Center- Biedrens 6’11

    Triple tower line-up with glass cleaners/shot blockers

  • Tony H

    You people are like beaten dogs – you’re so used to the W’s screwing something up, you’re wincing. To equate David Lee to Troy Murphy is idiotic and simplistic – hey, look they’re both white (though maybe you should look at Murphy’s rebounding numbers before you just write him off as some failed white guy). The W’s haven’t had anyone close to him in boards since they sent him off.
    As spectacular as Randolph can be, that’s all you’re focusing on here. Potential. Do you really think he’ll be a 20-10 guy? Because that’s what David Lee is. And he’s a beast. He averaged 11.7 rebounds the past two years. And if you think he’s just a slow white guy, get on YouTube. Even Tolbert was on KNBR tonight, contradicting Ralph by talking about how the guy jumps out of the gym. Randolph can be great – if all the stars align and about 34 things happen all at once – including him growing up. Lee is an All-Star and has the dedication and mean streak the W’s need. This trade is a no-brainer. The W’s need guys like him. I love Randolph, but he’s unstable, inconsistent, and couldn’t run a pick and roll like D. Lee if his life depended on it.

  • some guy

    ugh. do these losers not realize that Monta & David Lee are (according to Synergy’s defensive points per possession) 2 of the worst individual defenders statistically in the NBA? they look like horrible team defenders as well. in Lee’s defense, he was playing C instead of his natural PF… still, give the statistics, it’s unlikely that he’s an avg defender at the PF position.

    that was the whole problem with Jamal Crawford. JC’s less of a problem in Atlanta b/c they have good, versatile defenders like Marvin, Josh & Horford surrounding him, but when JC was a Warrior, his no defense, no rebounding self only exacerbated the dubs weaknesses.

    Curry is also probably going to be a below average defender & Andris, if healthy, is probably average. Morrow or Reggie W. don’t have the size to adequately defend the 3.

    getting some role playing defenders isn’t going to help much when you’re running 3 defensive sieves out there 40 minutes each night.

  • Chris Webber

    If they W’s do this trade. Then this management is far more reatarded than the Twardzik era.
    David Lee is a hollow stat player. He’s also old. He hasnt helped the Knicks go to the playoffs.
    How is he going to help the Warriors at 27. He’s reaching his peak and doesnt play defense.
    If the Warriors do this trade. They are just plain dumb.

  • WarriorDragon

    Udoh will will be a 30/10/4 SF. That’s the stats I give him in his rookie year. Allstar stats… it’s a mismatch at the 3 spot.

  • WarriorDragon

    Curry need to dish out more dimes. Like somewhere 12-15 assists, I can see Curry going 22/12 PG his second season.

  • Mullin Fan

    Donnie Walsh vs. Larry Riley/Rowell is a complete mismatch. Anthony Randolph is the most talented Warriors big man since Chris Webber. (That trade didn’t work out so well and actually Lee’s stats and Gugliotta’s numbers are pretty similar.) Randolph is 20 years old. Lee was playing for Florida at 20. Lee for all his great numbers has been in the same number of playoff games as Marcus and everyone posting on here. Knicks have averaged 28 wins in his 5 seasons. Remember how excited everyone was when the Raiders got Jeff George

  • WarriorDragon

    This is the numbers:

    Udoh- 30/10/4
    Biedrens- 12/12/2
    Randolph- 18/10/2
    Monta- 26/4
    Curry- 22/12

  • Tdubb

    I would prefer no trade, but they need a legit PF and Lee is it. Randolph will probably be a star but he has not proven it yet. Its all potential, Lee has proven he can play in this league at the PF. Yes in the East on a bad team but 20/10 is 20/10 and Randolph didn’t do it here on a bad team. I think Lee does fit here with Curry and Monta.

    If you want to see, grab the footage of the 2007 All Star Rookie game, Monta and Lee looked really good together. I know it was against other rookies but it was nice, check the tape. If the Warriors are going to compete in the West, the team needs a more traditional core and not the Nelly hybrid. I still want a SF, Ronnie Brewer?

    Here’s my lineup

    Curry
    Ellis
    Brewer
    Lee
    Biedrins

    Bench
    Morrow
    Azibuke
    Turiaf
    Williams
    Wright
    Bell
    Udoh
    Gazurich

    Find me two free agents (trade Vlad)

  • Mano de Nada

    Tom Gugliotta: 2010 version.

    YA THINK maybe D’Antoni’s uptempo no D system pads stats like Nelsons?

    How many powerless power forwards does this team need anyhow?

    “Lee is proven legit PF and an elite rebounder” on a number of SUCKARSE defenseless lottery teams that went NOWHERE (so at least he’ll fit in with the Warriors).

    UNTIL COHAN SELLS it’s all BS, really. May as well trade Curry to the Lakers now for Jordan Farmer and get it over with…

  • Adam

    The Warriors were one of the top teams in the league at every offensive category. They
    were last defensively. Every dang lineup change Nelson ever made was to score more while totally ignoring defensive matchups. We lost over 50 games!!! Now we are trading the best defensive 4 we’ve had in years. Randolph per minute lead them in rebounds and blocks! He changed the game by protecting the rim unlike 99% of the other players. This trade will be the biggest mistake since the webber trade.

  • tonyj19

    Will someone please stop “WarriorDragon” from posting these ridiculous comments! If the Knicks, and Lee accept this deal…(which I seriously doubt), the Dubs should agree to pay all travel and moving expences for everyone involved, and sign the papers as quick as possible before someone changes their mind! This is a No-brainer for the Warriors! Lee could average a Dbl-Dbl just off of Monte’s misses off the drive. If you don’t help on Monte, he will score…If you help and leave Lee, he will score. And folks, Nelson is going to coach next season, so stop dreaming about a lockdown defensive team! Lee would be fine in their defensive scheme, with the help of Beidrins.

  • The Wisdom Cow

    Please, no. Monta must go so a defensive 2 can play.

    Not like the new ownership can’t still move Monta, but I would really like to let the new boss do the moves.

    Lee will NOT be an all star in the West. Randolph could be a superstar. Not sure I like the trade at all.

  • DKnight007

    Another potentially stupid trade for the LOOOUSY Warriors! LOL

    Why would a lame duck management team make such a stupid move before they are gone?? It makes ZERO sense!

    Would it be one last f you to Warrior fans we stole your money and screwed the team up for the last time before sold and made millions??

    Unreal….

  • The Wisdom Cow

    I am really thinking this is an attempt to get Larry to up his offer in order to stop lame moves from continuing to take place.

  • Perry

    First off…….I want to say it’s great to be back!

    It’s been quite some time since I graced this blog with my insights…..

    Great to see some of my old comrades and compatriots like “Harp’s Dubs” and “Deano.”

    I have to say I am completely appalled by the opposition to this potential deal.

    Anyone who thinks Anthony Randolph is destined to be a star should be beaten within an inch of their lives and their bodies should be hung by the rafters at Oracle before each and every home game while Franco Fin (Warrior “hype” man) dances.

    If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it twice……Anthony Randolph is the illegitimate son of Jermario Moon and Stromile Swift.

    This is Randolph’s 3rd year in the League and he’s still in Summer League. He is waaaaaaaaay behind the learning curve.

    Guys from his draft class: Derrick Rose; Michael Beasley; Brook Lopez; Courtney Lee; Jason Thompson; Kevin Love……none of these guys still participate in Summer League…….they are far more developed than Anthony Randolph. No wonder he fell to # 14 for all his ‘greatness’ and ‘potential.’

    Anyone who thinks Anthony Randolph will be anything more than an 11ppg , 6 rpg guy at best in this league should do themselves a favor and not say that in public………you will only embarass yourself.

    Can you imagine going up to Phil Jackson or Pat Riley and saying, “Hey, Anthony Randolph is destined to be another K.G”………..Phil and Pat would laugh in your face and send you to the nearest homeless shelter.

    Don’t let your “homerism” get the best of you.

    Here it is:

    1. Curry
    2. Ellis
    3. B. Wright/R. Williams/A. Tolliver
    4. D. Lee
    5. Andris Biedrins

    If Biedrins returns to form, you can expect 16-18 rpg from that front-court, hands down.

    I know, I know…….Wright is not a 3…..but after all, who the fuck cares? We’re talking about the Golden State Warriors, Don Nelson and Larry Riley for God’s sakes…….believe me, we’ve seen worse…..and plus, the only other proven 3(Radmanovic) may end up going in this deal as well. But obviously, the likely scenario will have B. Wright off the bench if we acquire Lee with Williams or Tolliver starting at the 3.

    Maggette was a 4 in Nelson’s system for God’s sakes….

    D. Lee does not make the Warriors a playoff team by any stretch of the imagination, but Anthony Randolph will never, ever, ever, ever be as good as D. Lee, no question about that.

    A 20/10 guy, on a team that had other legitimate front court players in E. Curry, Al Harrington, Danillo Gallinari and Jonathon Bender….

    D. Lee stood out as the offensive and rebounding dependable player out of all of those guys…

    D. Lee is used to playing on a loser team with nothing but problems……..he was there for the whole Marbury and Nate Robinson fiascos and he was there when they made the D’Antoni transition.

    Quentin Richardson and Eddy Curry coming into camp fat and out of shape….throughout all that shit, the only dependable guy on that squad was D. Lee and maybe Gallinari.

    Throughout all that, he continued to put up the offensive and rebounding numbers and remained the most stable part of that organization, while continuing to improve year after year.

    This guy is used to playing within a chaotic organization…….

    What better guy is there to play for Golden State?

    He’s efficient, gets easy baskets, shoots a high percentage and is better than any other 3,4 or 5 that we currently have.

    There should be no reason why anyone should oppose this deal.

    Remember,……let’s all face facts and be honest with ourselves here…..

    Cleveland won 61 games last year and they bowed out in the 2nd round. Orlando had an excellent team with a young Center and dependable role players and they didn’t stand a chance. Phoenix was tough, had fantastic players and couldn’t beat the Lakers. Boston had K.G., Pierce, Allen and Rondo and couldn’t beat the Lakers. Denver and Dallas both had great regular seasons and couldn’t get out of their own way in the Playoffs.

    I haven’t even mentioned younger ‘up and comers’ like OKC and Portland, both destined to be better than the Warriors for years to come. Memphis, not to be forgotten, they are on their way up as well……..old, dependable teams like San Antonio and Utah.

    Where does that leave the Golden State Warriors?

    Standing in the wind with their dicks in their hands…that’s where.

    Let’s face facts, the Warriors are about 37 years away from a Championship and 26 years away from a playoff berth.

  • Perry

    Tom Gugliotta stretched the defense much more, he was more of a perimeter oriented 3/4…he was a pretty good shooter…much better than D. Lee.

    The only thing they have in common is that their white, besides that, their games are completely different.

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  • DKnight007

    Lebrons ego is getting to him. He had to arrange a 1 hour special with sellout BSPN to announce his decision??

    Give me a break!

    Sounds like he is going to Miami. Smart move if he truly wants to win a title!

  • Mano de Nada

    Randolph is 20 years old; that’s younger than Udoh, this year’s 1st round pick. Somehow Perry seems, well crazy nuts to believe that Randolph has reached his peak production already. Of course anybody who calls Eddy Curry a legit front court player is legitimately crazy nuts. Eddy Curry is a legit buffet threat, and that’s it.

    There isn’t a PF in the NBA that can’t beat Lee’s D regularly (and that includes Anthony Randolph). He’ll never be the starting PF on a playoff team in the NBA (where over half the teams make the playoffs every year, something you may not know as a Warriors fan).

  • haastheman

    I’d much rather trade ellis for Lee. We need a bigger 2 than Monta. Lee would be a solid player, and could be the consistent big man we need in the middle. I think we can get more for Randolph than Lee. Randolph could net us a quality 2. Trade monta for Lee, and Randolph for a 2.

  • DKnight007

    David Lee will be causing Warrior fans to scratch their heads and cry after two years when he starts to disappear…while Randolph becomes a stud someplace else.

    That’s the LOOUUUSY Warriors trend isn’t it? LOL

  • DKnight007

    Marcus states he heard Cohan and Rowell want Lee….so that should scare the CRAP out Warrior fans!

  • ddog

    The best part of this potential trade is how it addresses the need for a small forward.

    David Lee would be a clear improvement over the Bigs who played the majority of the minutes last year (Corey Maggette, Anthony Tolliver, Chris Hunter and Vladmir Radmanovic). As displayed in New York, his ability to rebound and play defense would make a difference for a team sorely lacking in both areas. And this does not even include his shot-blocking ability!

  • Sume

    I would only trade Lee for Brandon Wright straight up and never for a max contract. He is not worth Randolph or Monta. Be careful warriors. I also prefer Biedrins to Lee because Biedrins has avg defense and Lee has no defense. Warriors need defensive players, this is why we keep Randolph.

  • GSDubz

    I’m not really sure why most of you are complaining about this trade. First of all, Lee will be the BIG MAN we’ve been waiting for. Is he a superstar? NO, but he REBOUNDS and can score in multiple plays. Playing defense is also rebounding. How many times did the Warriors give up 2nd and 3rd chances to the opposing team? How many times did we get out rebounded overall?

    Randolph is young and has a ton of potential. I agree. But you also need maturity and an IQ to play the game. I really don’t think he’ll be able to reach that level. Plus we have another player similar to him in Brandon Wright who I think has just a high ceiling. We have a roster full of POTENTIAL and I’m sick and tired of waiting for the future. We as Warrior fans have waited long enough. Lee will improve this team with Ellis and Curry.

    What was our biggest weakness last week aside from defense? REBOUNDING and Lee solves that problem. I really don’t see how this doesn’t benefit our Dubz. We get an All-Star forward for potential?!!! Hmmmmm….

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  • Earl Monroe

    Even with Lee, this team is not guaranteed the playoffs so why make this deal?
    Keep Randolph and if he turns out to be a beast, along with Curry this team can be special, this management team and I include Nelson in this because this trade has his fingerprints all over it is just idiotic and lacks vision

  • beatman

    pull the trade. although i love randolph, what position will he play if he does get good? no post moves for pf, not a good enough shot for sf.
    its not often you can trade for an all star without giving one.
    i just hope the contract isnt too much, either way it will be better than the maggette situation.
    if we do this then trade ellis for iguadala, we’re looking at curry iguadala williams (if he is the only one left???)Lee and beans.
    that is starting to get somewhere….

  • A’s in 2010

    I wish our stupid front office would GTFO. They should NOT be making ANY trades. This is horrible!! And that fat P.O.S. Marcus Thompson is actually defending this trade on twitter. I lost all respect for him. He doesn’t care about the Warriors or the fans, he just wants to write a story. OOH big trade! We got an All-Star! Who was like a 3rd alternate or some crap like that. who gives a flying…

  • WarriorDragon

    The Knicks are a “chaotic” team. GS is a “bad news bear” team. They’d both make good trade partners in the NBA. That’s why they are dealing.

  • WarriorDragon

    Marcus Thompson is a “white guy” player lover. He need to look at himself in the mirror. He need to be on Randolph side of NOT moving Anthony.

  • WarriorDragon

    I’m an asian man. I just don’t care. I wanna be GSW head coach this season. I’m applying for the HC job.

  • WarriorDragon

    I coach high school varsity. I won the States Championship Title, I cannot name the state, but I had good above the rim players… yes, they are brothers. I had white players. It’s a mix group. We’d won, that’s what count, I got the trophy in my den. WarriorDragon is applying for GS HC job.

  • WarriorDragon

    Wilt Chamberlain was my CENTER. That’s all I can say right now.

  • WarriorDragon

    Nate Achibald was my PG. That’s my PG in my varsity team.

  • WarriorDragon

    Nate Archibald was a grade school kid. I put him in my varsity team in High School. He took over. He was like twelve yrs old gaming in high school varsity.

  • Harp’s Dubs

    Turiaf, Radmanovic, Randolph and 2013 1st rounder for David Lee ($13.5 mil).
    Wright and a signed Morrow for Trevor Ariza.
    Monta for Igoudala.

    Now, we’ve got a team:
    PG – Curry/ Charlie Bell
    SG – Igoudala/Reggie Williams
    SF – Ariza/Kelenna Azubuike
    PF – Lee/Udoh/Anthony Tolliver (re-sign)
    C – Biedrins/Gadzuric

    This team has elite athletes, extraordinary wing defenders and looks like the most traditional line-up we’ve seen here in years.

    p.s. Welcome back, Perry!

  • WarriorDragon

    I won 3 states title. The school gave my one trophy. I have that trophy in my den. I was Nate agent he wore “pro ked” sneakers. He made money for “pro ked” sneaks company.

  • WarriorDragon

    They call him “Tiny” cause in high school varsity , he was like 5’0 feet tall, the teammates say his is “Tiny”.

  • http://www.ezridersmc.com Wolf

    Ship out Ellis, now!! Curry at point, Kelenna and Morrow at SG, put Randolf at the 3, then of course the mix and match at the 4 and 5 spots …. Monta showed his expendability last year.

  • Harp’s Dubs

    WarriorDragon not funny, need to stay off the pipe.

  • WarriorDragon

    Nate wore pro keds that made him into a 34/12 assist PG in the pros. I told Nate he should just stay with pro keds and not Nike. Nate lost his endorsement with pro keds back then.

  • W fan

    NOOOOOO
    This is very bad for the W’s!!! Not only do we give up a promising big man with lots of heart and enthusiasm but also Turiaf. He worked flawlessly with Curry on the pick and roll and provided an inside presence with blocked shots. Two HUGE enthusiastic winners for Lee? No way, no way, no way!!!!!!!!!

  • Boycott_CC

    WarriorDragon, please put away your keyboard. Your many typos, bad grammar and overall poor logic are giving the rest of us Asians a bad name.

  • haastheman

    I’ve been saying a lot of interesting rumors with the Warriors name attached to it. Looks like the three way trade between the wolves, warriors and knicks may be back on. This trade would send monta to knicks, Al Jefferson to warriors, and david lee to the wolves. I like this move. Al Jeff isn’t an up and down type of player, but he is the beast down low we need.

    There’s another proposed deal that would send biedrens to the nuggets for K mart and J.R. Smith.

    If we pulled the trigger on both trades we could get our post star and a very solid scorrer at the 2. Not to mention we keep randolph.

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  • Hook Mitchell

    Turiaf and Randolph are the only warriors that protect the rim, and we plan to ship them both out?

    With curry and Ellis always going for steals/playing passing lanes, that leaves the paint area exposed.

    That’s why I didn’t mind drafting Udoh at #8 because we had no interest from others teams to trade down.

    Randolph and turiaf are more valuable defensively than we credit them for.

  • Sean

    @Perry

    Epic Post, my friend….How people are against this deal is beyond me, but you broke it down for them…Nicely done, sir!

  • DKnight007

    A’s in 2010 Says:
    July 8th, 2010 at 8:34 am
    I wish our stupid front office would GTFO. They should NOT be making ANY trades. This is horrible!! And that fat P.O.S. Marcus Thompson is actually defending this trade on twitter. I lost all respect for him. He doesn’t care about the Warriors or the fans, he just wants to write a story. OOH big trade! We got an All-Star! Who was like a 3rd alternate or some crap like that. who gives a flying…

    ^^^^^^^^
    Yep….it’s not just the stupid front office and it’s a LAME DUCK front office!

    Even worse! LOL

  • DKnight007

    You Warrior fans and your BLIND optimisim.

    It’s sad…

  • DKnight007

    If Lebron stays in Cleveland, all this ridiculousness with his egotistical 1 hour BSPN special will be even more LAME than it already is!

    If he truly wants to win a title(s) than he should sign with Chicago or Miami. They have the talent already in place to make serious runs at championships.

    Staying in Cleveland, is a bad move and they will not win a title for quite sometime, especially with the other Eastern Conference teams becoming stronger talent wise.

  • sperry

    I actually like getting Lee, it will make things much easier if we end with Biedrins and Lee together, With Curry and Ellis. Thats not a bad group and i think it will work well. Randolph likely will become an amazing player in NY, but i think he was too damaged to ever play that well in GS, even with a new coach and owner. I think he just needs a change. The problem is the Huge Salary is over paying, but Warriors have to in order to get anyone so what can you do? The biggest problem for me though, is trading Turiaf and Buike with Randolph. Turiaf and Buike are fan favorites and likeable guys. It will not be as fun to watch Warriors without them.

  • TownLove

    I would pull off that trade in a NY second. Randolph is all hype.