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Warriors Ready to Ship Randolph to Knicks for Lee … Waiting on LeBron

Would you like the Warriors acquiring David Lee if they could also keep guard Monta Ellis?

That is a distinct possibility depending on LeBron James’ decision tomorrow. Multiple sources told me the Warriors have an offer on the table that sends forward Anthony Randolph and other pieces to New York in a sign-and-trade deal for Lee.

If LeBron announces he is going to New York, in order to make room for his max contract, the Knicks would have to renounce Lee to free up the cap space. That would end the sign-and-trade possibility and the Warriors’ chances at Lee. But if LeBron doesn’t say the Knicks when he announces his decision …

… Then the Warriors are “in the game” for Lee. One source said the Knicks have at least three sign-and-trade offers on the table in case LeBron opts to play elsewhere. But the Warriors like their chances, considering Randolph is a hot commodity. The Knicks really like Randolph and weren’t so high on Ellis. Certainly, the contracts have something to do with it.

I have not confirmed who the other players are, but the obvious candidates are center Ronny Turiaf, swingman Kelenna Azubuike and forward Brandon Wright. It’s possible an expiring contract is in there (Vladimir Radmanovic). But, from what I’m told, the Warriors advantage is that they can offer players, which the Knicks’ need.

Of course, Golden State would have to work out a deal with Lee for a sign-and-trade to happen, even if the Knicks like the Warriors’ offer better. One source said the Warriors will not offer a maximum contract, but the Warriors could go as high as $13 million in the first year of a six-year contract (that would be $78 million excluding raises). With Chicago signing Carlos Boozer, that is one less team the Warriors have to worry about. However, New Jersey can still outbid the Warriors. Plus, Lee could, in the end, prefer to land elsewhere.

Warriors’ management, I’m told, is excited at the prospect of adding Lee to Ellis, Stephen Curry and center Andris Biedrins. That would give them four positions set and address their rebounding disparity.

Definitely risks involved. If the Warriors gave Lee $10 million a year, no raises, that is $60 million committed. To do that and give up Randolph, whew, that is a lot. But, Lee is a 20-10 guy who has proven himself. He is more of a win-now guy than Randolph. I think Randolph has star potential, but I understand if the team wants to cash in potential for certainty. Still, if Lee isn’t a 20-and-10 guy … I’ll just say it’s risky. But I definitely like Lee with Monta than Lee inexchange for Monta. The effectiveness of Lee will depend a lot on Biedrins. If he gets back to what he was, and he would have help on the boards, that would go a long way to helping this potential Lee deal pay off.

Oddly enough, one source was convinced the Warriors can pull off this big a deal without onwer Chris Cohan pulling the plug. With the sale pending, it would seem adding such a big contract is off limits. But I was assured it was not, and if everything falls in place the Warriors will do this deal. The belief is that getting Lee does not hurt the value of the franchise.

Why not?

* Because they aren’t giving away one of their big draws (Curry, Ellis), though one could argue Randolph is a big deal to Ws fans

* Because they are getting an All-Star. I’m told president Robert Rowell and even Cohan are excited about adding Lee

* Because all they really did was replace Maggette (and whoever they threw in) with Lee, so it is pretty much revenue neutral for this season

Marcus Thompson

  • Adam

    The Warriors were one of the top teams in the league at every offensive category. They
    were last defensively. Every dang lineup change Nelson ever made was to score more while totally ignoring defensive matchups. We lost over 50 games!!! Now we are trading the best defensive 4 we’ve had in years. Randolph per minute lead them in rebounds and blocks! He changed the game by protecting the rim unlike 99% of the other players. This trade will be the biggest mistake since the webber trade.

  • tonyj19

    Will someone please stop “WarriorDragon” from posting these ridiculous comments! If the Knicks, and Lee accept this deal…(which I seriously doubt), the Dubs should agree to pay all travel and moving expences for everyone involved, and sign the papers as quick as possible before someone changes their mind! This is a No-brainer for the Warriors! Lee could average a Dbl-Dbl just off of Monte’s misses off the drive. If you don’t help on Monte, he will score…If you help and leave Lee, he will score. And folks, Nelson is going to coach next season, so stop dreaming about a lockdown defensive team! Lee would be fine in their defensive scheme, with the help of Beidrins.

  • The Wisdom Cow

    Please, no. Monta must go so a defensive 2 can play.

    Not like the new ownership can’t still move Monta, but I would really like to let the new boss do the moves.

    Lee will NOT be an all star in the West. Randolph could be a superstar. Not sure I like the trade at all.

  • DKnight007

    Another potentially stupid trade for the LOOOUSY Warriors! LOL

    Why would a lame duck management team make such a stupid move before they are gone?? It makes ZERO sense!

    Would it be one last f you to Warrior fans we stole your money and screwed the team up for the last time before sold and made millions??

    Unreal….

  • The Wisdom Cow

    I am really thinking this is an attempt to get Larry to up his offer in order to stop lame moves from continuing to take place.

  • Perry

    First off…….I want to say it’s great to be back!

    It’s been quite some time since I graced this blog with my insights…..

    Great to see some of my old comrades and compatriots like “Harp’s Dubs” and “Deano.”

    I have to say I am completely appalled by the opposition to this potential deal.

    Anyone who thinks Anthony Randolph is destined to be a star should be beaten within an inch of their lives and their bodies should be hung by the rafters at Oracle before each and every home game while Franco Fin (Warrior “hype” man) dances.

    If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it twice……Anthony Randolph is the illegitimate son of Jermario Moon and Stromile Swift.

    This is Randolph’s 3rd year in the League and he’s still in Summer League. He is waaaaaaaaay behind the learning curve.

    Guys from his draft class: Derrick Rose; Michael Beasley; Brook Lopez; Courtney Lee; Jason Thompson; Kevin Love……none of these guys still participate in Summer League…….they are far more developed than Anthony Randolph. No wonder he fell to # 14 for all his ‘greatness’ and ‘potential.’

    Anyone who thinks Anthony Randolph will be anything more than an 11ppg , 6 rpg guy at best in this league should do themselves a favor and not say that in public………you will only embarass yourself.

    Can you imagine going up to Phil Jackson or Pat Riley and saying, “Hey, Anthony Randolph is destined to be another K.G”………..Phil and Pat would laugh in your face and send you to the nearest homeless shelter.

    Don’t let your “homerism” get the best of you.

    Here it is:

    1. Curry
    2. Ellis
    3. B. Wright/R. Williams/A. Tolliver
    4. D. Lee
    5. Andris Biedrins

    If Biedrins returns to form, you can expect 16-18 rpg from that front-court, hands down.

    I know, I know…….Wright is not a 3…..but after all, who the fuck cares? We’re talking about the Golden State Warriors, Don Nelson and Larry Riley for God’s sakes…….believe me, we’ve seen worse…..and plus, the only other proven 3(Radmanovic) may end up going in this deal as well. But obviously, the likely scenario will have B. Wright off the bench if we acquire Lee with Williams or Tolliver starting at the 3.

    Maggette was a 4 in Nelson’s system for God’s sakes….

    D. Lee does not make the Warriors a playoff team by any stretch of the imagination, but Anthony Randolph will never, ever, ever, ever be as good as D. Lee, no question about that.

    A 20/10 guy, on a team that had other legitimate front court players in E. Curry, Al Harrington, Danillo Gallinari and Jonathon Bender….

    D. Lee stood out as the offensive and rebounding dependable player out of all of those guys…

    D. Lee is used to playing on a loser team with nothing but problems……..he was there for the whole Marbury and Nate Robinson fiascos and he was there when they made the D’Antoni transition.

    Quentin Richardson and Eddy Curry coming into camp fat and out of shape….throughout all that shit, the only dependable guy on that squad was D. Lee and maybe Gallinari.

    Throughout all that, he continued to put up the offensive and rebounding numbers and remained the most stable part of that organization, while continuing to improve year after year.

    This guy is used to playing within a chaotic organization…….

    What better guy is there to play for Golden State?

    He’s efficient, gets easy baskets, shoots a high percentage and is better than any other 3,4 or 5 that we currently have.

    There should be no reason why anyone should oppose this deal.

    Remember,……let’s all face facts and be honest with ourselves here…..

    Cleveland won 61 games last year and they bowed out in the 2nd round. Orlando had an excellent team with a young Center and dependable role players and they didn’t stand a chance. Phoenix was tough, had fantastic players and couldn’t beat the Lakers. Boston had K.G., Pierce, Allen and Rondo and couldn’t beat the Lakers. Denver and Dallas both had great regular seasons and couldn’t get out of their own way in the Playoffs.

    I haven’t even mentioned younger ‘up and comers’ like OKC and Portland, both destined to be better than the Warriors for years to come. Memphis, not to be forgotten, they are on their way up as well……..old, dependable teams like San Antonio and Utah.

    Where does that leave the Golden State Warriors?

    Standing in the wind with their dicks in their hands…that’s where.

    Let’s face facts, the Warriors are about 37 years away from a Championship and 26 years away from a playoff berth.

  • Perry

    Tom Gugliotta stretched the defense much more, he was more of a perimeter oriented 3/4…he was a pretty good shooter…much better than D. Lee.

    The only thing they have in common is that their white, besides that, their games are completely different.

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  • DKnight007

    Lebrons ego is getting to him. He had to arrange a 1 hour special with sellout BSPN to announce his decision??

    Give me a break!

    Sounds like he is going to Miami. Smart move if he truly wants to win a title!

  • Mano de Nada

    Randolph is 20 years old; that’s younger than Udoh, this year’s 1st round pick. Somehow Perry seems, well crazy nuts to believe that Randolph has reached his peak production already. Of course anybody who calls Eddy Curry a legit front court player is legitimately crazy nuts. Eddy Curry is a legit buffet threat, and that’s it.

    There isn’t a PF in the NBA that can’t beat Lee’s D regularly (and that includes Anthony Randolph). He’ll never be the starting PF on a playoff team in the NBA (where over half the teams make the playoffs every year, something you may not know as a Warriors fan).

  • haastheman

    I’d much rather trade ellis for Lee. We need a bigger 2 than Monta. Lee would be a solid player, and could be the consistent big man we need in the middle. I think we can get more for Randolph than Lee. Randolph could net us a quality 2. Trade monta for Lee, and Randolph for a 2.

  • DKnight007

    David Lee will be causing Warrior fans to scratch their heads and cry after two years when he starts to disappear…while Randolph becomes a stud someplace else.

    That’s the LOOUUUSY Warriors trend isn’t it? LOL

  • DKnight007

    Marcus states he heard Cohan and Rowell want Lee….so that should scare the CRAP out Warrior fans!

  • ddog

    The best part of this potential trade is how it addresses the need for a small forward.

    David Lee would be a clear improvement over the Bigs who played the majority of the minutes last year (Corey Maggette, Anthony Tolliver, Chris Hunter and Vladmir Radmanovic). As displayed in New York, his ability to rebound and play defense would make a difference for a team sorely lacking in both areas. And this does not even include his shot-blocking ability!

  • Sume

    I would only trade Lee for Brandon Wright straight up and never for a max contract. He is not worth Randolph or Monta. Be careful warriors. I also prefer Biedrins to Lee because Biedrins has avg defense and Lee has no defense. Warriors need defensive players, this is why we keep Randolph.

  • GSDubz

    I’m not really sure why most of you are complaining about this trade. First of all, Lee will be the BIG MAN we’ve been waiting for. Is he a superstar? NO, but he REBOUNDS and can score in multiple plays. Playing defense is also rebounding. How many times did the Warriors give up 2nd and 3rd chances to the opposing team? How many times did we get out rebounded overall?

    Randolph is young and has a ton of potential. I agree. But you also need maturity and an IQ to play the game. I really don’t think he’ll be able to reach that level. Plus we have another player similar to him in Brandon Wright who I think has just a high ceiling. We have a roster full of POTENTIAL and I’m sick and tired of waiting for the future. We as Warrior fans have waited long enough. Lee will improve this team with Ellis and Curry.

    What was our biggest weakness last week aside from defense? REBOUNDING and Lee solves that problem. I really don’t see how this doesn’t benefit our Dubz. We get an All-Star forward for potential?!!! Hmmmmm….

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  • Earl Monroe

    Even with Lee, this team is not guaranteed the playoffs so why make this deal?
    Keep Randolph and if he turns out to be a beast, along with Curry this team can be special, this management team and I include Nelson in this because this trade has his fingerprints all over it is just idiotic and lacks vision

  • beatman

    pull the trade. although i love randolph, what position will he play if he does get good? no post moves for pf, not a good enough shot for sf.
    its not often you can trade for an all star without giving one.
    i just hope the contract isnt too much, either way it will be better than the maggette situation.
    if we do this then trade ellis for iguadala, we’re looking at curry iguadala williams (if he is the only one left???)Lee and beans.
    that is starting to get somewhere….

  • A’s in 2010

    I wish our stupid front office would GTFO. They should NOT be making ANY trades. This is horrible!! And that fat P.O.S. Marcus Thompson is actually defending this trade on twitter. I lost all respect for him. He doesn’t care about the Warriors or the fans, he just wants to write a story. OOH big trade! We got an All-Star! Who was like a 3rd alternate or some crap like that. who gives a flying…

  • WarriorDragon

    The Knicks are a “chaotic” team. GS is a “bad news bear” team. They’d both make good trade partners in the NBA. That’s why they are dealing.

  • WarriorDragon

    Marcus Thompson is a “white guy” player lover. He need to look at himself in the mirror. He need to be on Randolph side of NOT moving Anthony.

  • WarriorDragon

    I’m an asian man. I just don’t care. I wanna be GSW head coach this season. I’m applying for the HC job.

  • WarriorDragon

    I coach high school varsity. I won the States Championship Title, I cannot name the state, but I had good above the rim players… yes, they are brothers. I had white players. It’s a mix group. We’d won, that’s what count, I got the trophy in my den. WarriorDragon is applying for GS HC job.

  • WarriorDragon

    Wilt Chamberlain was my CENTER. That’s all I can say right now.

  • WarriorDragon

    Nate Achibald was my PG. That’s my PG in my varsity team.

  • WarriorDragon

    Nate Archibald was a grade school kid. I put him in my varsity team in High School. He took over. He was like twelve yrs old gaming in high school varsity.

  • Harp’s Dubs

    Turiaf, Radmanovic, Randolph and 2013 1st rounder for David Lee ($13.5 mil).
    Wright and a signed Morrow for Trevor Ariza.
    Monta for Igoudala.

    Now, we’ve got a team:
    PG – Curry/ Charlie Bell
    SG – Igoudala/Reggie Williams
    SF – Ariza/Kelenna Azubuike
    PF – Lee/Udoh/Anthony Tolliver (re-sign)
    C – Biedrins/Gadzuric

    This team has elite athletes, extraordinary wing defenders and looks like the most traditional line-up we’ve seen here in years.

    p.s. Welcome back, Perry!

  • WarriorDragon

    I won 3 states title. The school gave my one trophy. I have that trophy in my den. I was Nate agent he wore “pro ked” sneakers. He made money for “pro ked” sneaks company.

  • WarriorDragon

    They call him “Tiny” cause in high school varsity , he was like 5’0 feet tall, the teammates say his is “Tiny”.

  • http://www.ezridersmc.com Wolf

    Ship out Ellis, now!! Curry at point, Kelenna and Morrow at SG, put Randolf at the 3, then of course the mix and match at the 4 and 5 spots …. Monta showed his expendability last year.

  • Harp’s Dubs

    WarriorDragon not funny, need to stay off the pipe.

  • WarriorDragon

    Nate wore pro keds that made him into a 34/12 assist PG in the pros. I told Nate he should just stay with pro keds and not Nike. Nate lost his endorsement with pro keds back then.

  • W fan

    NOOOOOO
    This is very bad for the W’s!!! Not only do we give up a promising big man with lots of heart and enthusiasm but also Turiaf. He worked flawlessly with Curry on the pick and roll and provided an inside presence with blocked shots. Two HUGE enthusiastic winners for Lee? No way, no way, no way!!!!!!!!!

  • Boycott_CC

    WarriorDragon, please put away your keyboard. Your many typos, bad grammar and overall poor logic are giving the rest of us Asians a bad name.

  • haastheman

    I’ve been saying a lot of interesting rumors with the Warriors name attached to it. Looks like the three way trade between the wolves, warriors and knicks may be back on. This trade would send monta to knicks, Al Jefferson to warriors, and david lee to the wolves. I like this move. Al Jeff isn’t an up and down type of player, but he is the beast down low we need.

    There’s another proposed deal that would send biedrens to the nuggets for K mart and J.R. Smith.

    If we pulled the trigger on both trades we could get our post star and a very solid scorrer at the 2. Not to mention we keep randolph.

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  • Hook Mitchell

    Turiaf and Randolph are the only warriors that protect the rim, and we plan to ship them both out?

    With curry and Ellis always going for steals/playing passing lanes, that leaves the paint area exposed.

    That’s why I didn’t mind drafting Udoh at #8 because we had no interest from others teams to trade down.

    Randolph and turiaf are more valuable defensively than we credit them for.

  • Sean

    @Perry

    Epic Post, my friend….How people are against this deal is beyond me, but you broke it down for them…Nicely done, sir!

  • DKnight007

    A’s in 2010 Says:
    July 8th, 2010 at 8:34 am
    I wish our stupid front office would GTFO. They should NOT be making ANY trades. This is horrible!! And that fat P.O.S. Marcus Thompson is actually defending this trade on twitter. I lost all respect for him. He doesn’t care about the Warriors or the fans, he just wants to write a story. OOH big trade! We got an All-Star! Who was like a 3rd alternate or some crap like that. who gives a flying…

    ^^^^^^^^
    Yep….it’s not just the stupid front office and it’s a LAME DUCK front office!

    Even worse! LOL

  • DKnight007

    You Warrior fans and your BLIND optimisim.

    It’s sad…

  • DKnight007

    If Lebron stays in Cleveland, all this ridiculousness with his egotistical 1 hour BSPN special will be even more LAME than it already is!

    If he truly wants to win a title(s) than he should sign with Chicago or Miami. They have the talent already in place to make serious runs at championships.

    Staying in Cleveland, is a bad move and they will not win a title for quite sometime, especially with the other Eastern Conference teams becoming stronger talent wise.

  • sperry

    I actually like getting Lee, it will make things much easier if we end with Biedrins and Lee together, With Curry and Ellis. Thats not a bad group and i think it will work well. Randolph likely will become an amazing player in NY, but i think he was too damaged to ever play that well in GS, even with a new coach and owner. I think he just needs a change. The problem is the Huge Salary is over paying, but Warriors have to in order to get anyone so what can you do? The biggest problem for me though, is trading Turiaf and Buike with Randolph. Turiaf and Buike are fan favorites and likeable guys. It will not be as fun to watch Warriors without them.

  • TownLove

    I would pull off that trade in a NY second. Randolph is all hype.