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Does Post-Nellie Era Begin Now or Next Year?

New co-owner Joe Lacob just did an interview on KNBR with Ralph and Tom. One of the interesting tidbits in it was about what he’s going to do with the coach. But he has a bit of a a dilemma.
Lacob said what everybody else already knows: the Nellie era is done. And Lacob said in the interview that he wants a young coach in the new era (he listed Oklahoma City coach Scott Brooks as an example). But the question he has to answer is when will the era end? Now? Or after this coming season?

What makes the decision difficult is that he can’t make the move until he becomes owner of the team, which he said he’s hoping to be officially by late  September. (Though, he said outgoing owner Chris Cohan has obliged him since the sale agreement. If he wanted Nelson gone, couldn’t he just tell Cohan to fire Nellie and hire the guy he wanted?) If that is when he gets ownership, that’s about the start of camp and a month before the season starts.

Is that too late to make a coaching change?

Lacob sounded like he wanted to make a run at the playoffs this year. A couple of players told me they would rather Nellie stay on this last year unless the Warriors can get a really good replacement. Is late September too late to get the coach of the future? Perhaps the only way a new coach is feasible at that point of the offseason is if the replacement is already identified and ready to go right away. If that coach is not already on a staff, he could even get started before the sale is official, at least with rounding up the staff he wants. That’s risky though.

If Lacob is not willing to do any under-the-table dealing, that means he would have to START the search in late September. That would be crazy.

On the flip side, why wait a year to do what you know has to be done? With the the young players in place, why not get to it right away?

Certainly, getting point guard Stephen Curry the coach he’s going to grow under in tow now is better than doing it later. Ditto to a lesser extent for the likes of Reggie Williams, Ekpe Udoh, and, yes, Jeremy Lin.

So which is the lesser of the two evils: potentially hurting the coming season by making a change too late? or postponing the start of the new era?

Marcus Thompson

  • http://techreport.com Wander7

    You go through the transitions ASAP because you have to do it sooner or later, so why not ASAP? Adam Lauridsen did a good piece on this very topic recently go check out his blog.

  • AJ

    Nellie needs to go! However, if there’s only one change – my first choice is to get rid of Rowell! He’s a backstabbing SOB that represents the old regime. Flush everything Cohan did down the drain and start over!

  • Swopa

    MT2 makes the glib assumption that the next coach is obviously going to be right one for “the new era,” the one “Stephen Curry is going to grow under.”

    But although it’s an easy assumption, it’s not a safe one. The odds are, any new coach Lacob hires isn’t going to last more than two years. (If you base your judgment on Warriors history, the OVERWHELMING odds are that the coach won’t last more than two years.)

    So you’re not just looking for a new coach. You’re looking for someone who is so good, so right that he’s going to beat the odds.

    How confident are you that Lacob — who’s never hired a coach before — is going to be able to find that guy on short notice? Especially a “young coach,” quite likely meaning someone who’s never been an NBA head coach? Is Lacob going to know, oh yes, this guy will make good X-and-O decisions in crunch time, and call good plays out of timeouts?

    Are you confident enough to bet Stephen Curry’s future on it?

    Because if the next coach flames out quickly, and still-floundering, still-directionless GS has to start *another* “new era* right at the time he’s debating whether to sign a contract extension, it might make a difference whether Lacob makes the right choice now or not.

  • jsl

    If Lacob isn’t smart enough to figure out a way to replace Nelson now, we’re in really big trouble. This fat, lame duck ain’t taking us anywhere — but further down.

    It’s what he does — everywhere he goes.

    Man, I sure hope Lacob can get his brain around this one. He should be looking for replacements NOW — not in September. If he wants, he can hire the guy and just fit him in when the league gives its final imprimatur to the sale.

  • A’s in 2010

    Ugh, I’d rather Lacob give Nellie his confidence going into the season. Now Nellie is SO gonna tank it. Hopefully we don’t wait months to can him, just be done with it as soon as possible.

  • Fadein2Bolivian

    I think the guy who outmaneuvered Larry Ellison is smart enough to do just about anything he wants.

    Nellie may not be at the height of his powers, but it’s best to let him coach this year if there isn’t a super, cant-miss replacement available. Changing coaches just for the sake of “moving on” = not a good idea and my guess is there are more players who feel that way, not just the ones who told Marcus that they would prefer he stays. Damn, he finally has a roster that he can do something with.

  • Wilson

    One reason Cohan might not be willing to hire a new coach of Lacob’s choosing. What would happen if the league disqualified somebody in the ownership group or somehow otherwise the deal fell through and they had to start over? Aside from that, I guess they could do that, but Lacob probably wants to hire a GM and coordinate the hiring of a coach with him. It could get a little messy. Even if it doesn’t happen until Lacob is confirmed as the owner, there have been interim coaches who did well enough that they were later named head coaches. Singletary for the 49ers, for example. So a late change is not necessarily a negative.

  • dan

    A lockup is coming. Lacob can not or do not want to sign a new coach to a new contract then have the coach doing nothing for 6 months. Yes, It is all about money.

    I think it is possible that Lacob already asked the players especiall Curry and Monta if they want Nelson back and the answwer is probably a yes.

  • J-Walk

    I get the argument that it’s important to get the next coach in as soon as possible in order to start building for the future ASAP. However, I think it’s more important to make sure you make the right choice. That takes more time than a few weeks before camp begins. First, a new head of basketball opertions (Pritchard) needs to be brought in. Then an informed educated decision needs to be made on who is the right man to take over this young team. If this is all done hastily, it could set the progress of the Dubs back way further than it would to just let Nellie coach one more year.

    Also, I think this team is currently constructed to play very well under Nellie’s system. This team is built around his style. So you just can’t change course right before the gun goes off and expect better results. I think it’s important for this team to experience some success right away and for the new management to observe what they have before making important decisions. So as strange as this sounds coming out of my brain, I think the Dubs would be better served letting Nellie finish out his contract while the fron office is formed and a proper evaluation of the team can be made.

  • dw

    Some of these guys on the team do like Nellie so if he starts training camp they might as well let him coach this year. I’m a Nellie guy but if their gonna do it, do it now before camp even starts so everyone can start this year fresh.

  • slamdunk

    I sure hope Lacab knows what he is doing, because that has been the problem with this club since Cohan bought it. Shouldn’t he be settling in on a good GM, and someone to do what Rowell was supposed to be doing first? The GM may want to suggest his own coach to ownership, however I agree that the sooner Nelson, Riley and Rowell are dumped, the sooner the club can start establishing a new identity and direction. It may take a few years to air out the stench of poor management for the Warriors, so the sooner you throw out the trash, the better it will smell at Warrior HQ.

  • John Starks

    I’d say do it now, but realistically, what is the next best coaching option today considering the timing?

    In his defense, I actually think Nellie is a decent coach. I think he got a bad rap because of the things that have happened in the last couple years with all of the injuries. Phil Jackson couldn’t have done much with these rosters. The injury days killed any shred of momentum the last two years. When you suit up 6 guys, you don’t really have a chance to win night in and night out. And remember; Nellie’s first couple of years after he came back were actually pretty good. They included a playoff run and a 48-win team (which didn’t make the playoffs, though). The year after that, the team that had been on the up-and-up was dismantled, starting with the Great Bearded Baron Davis. I honestly don’t know who made that call, but the team was essentially doomed from there.

    That said, the team is essentially built in Nelson’s image. The style of basketball we here in the Bay have grown to like was originated by Nellie. I’m not a coach, but Nellie’s tactic of out-scoring the other team seems to have some merit to me. If the other team is constantly playing catch up, and you’ve got the guys to keep the pedal to the medal, you can keep other “traditonal” NBA-style teams off balance. The W’s were built to pour on the points. During the Baron Era, almost every guy on that starting 5 was capable putting up 40. The Warrior defense is underrated. Sure, it could be better, but they thrive of steals and breaks. Lots of hands in passing lanes. I like the style and I think it can win. It did. Again, I’m no ESPN analyst.

    Still, you need to pick a direction and the sooner the better. If the new owners are worried about the fans getting restless after another losing season, they can put that to rest. If the fans were going to walk, they would have done that 10 years ago. One more year of respectably rebuilding isn’t going change things much.

    I say keep Nellie for one more year.

  • Grey Warden

    #6 Lacob didn’t “outmaneuver” Ellison, but rather was in cahoots with both Cohan, who didn’t want to sell to Ellison anyways, and Galatitio, who fabricated lies on behalf of Cohan.

    The time is now to get rid of Nellie, not midseason, or at the end of the season. Just a coaching change at this point would do wonders for Biedrins and his confidence. If you continue to let Nellie wreck this team, he’ll overwork the starters (except for Biedrins, whom he’ll just sit out and have Lee play center all season long) and the chances of them getting injured becomes that much greater. Nellie could care less. He’ll just delve into the D-league as usual.

  • Grey Warden

    And another point: How does Lacob inspire confidence in the fans if he keeps Nellie, or Riley, or Rowell this season? There was an ownership change, but other than that, it seems to be business as usual in Warriors land.

  • lobo

    totally agree now is the time for fatboy + rowell to get out of time…rowell is easy, the timing for nelson stinks because the cream of the crop as far as young guys with pro experience is pretty much gone..yeah shaw is around and he can be a prize…but if i’m the new guys as i said many times make van gundy an offer he can’t refuse

  • Hook Mitchell

    John Starks. You sir have hit the nail on the head.

    I’d rather watch a Don Nelson coached team over a Jeff Vam Gundy coached team.

    Lose 125-135 or lose 75-82.

    Jeff van gundy is much better as a color analyst.

    I didn’t even know he had a sense of humor.

    Dude is HILARIOUS !!!

  • Q

    The timing and pending lockout make things complicated as far as Nellie is concerned, especially if players are stating they prefer he stays. One thing is clear: FIRE ROWELL!

  • dan

    jeff van gundy? jesus. I would bring PJ back before Gundy. What has gunday done ?

  • Q

    To elaborate, I do think the time is now to let Nellie go. We will suck this season regardless, so why not get someone in who has the time and patience to teach and coach our young players (especially with regards to defence).

    Regardless, Lil’ Bobby needs to go.

  • http://www.cnvrstn.info cnvrstn

    If asst. coach Keith Smart is not in the running to take over the head coaching position, relinquish Larry Riley’s seat over to Coach Smart as GM. Then offer Mike Brown, former Cavaliers coach the job.

    And yes, fire Nellie pronto.

  • Harp’s Dubs

    Young coach = Brian (Oakland-grown) Shaw.
    If we wait another year, we lose him to the Lakers, as he is the heir apparent to Phil Jackson (last year of his contract).

    I agree with one of the posters from an earlier blog saying that Monta is on his way to Memphis. Seeing that they’re already in contract negotiation problems with Xavier Henry, let’s ship Monta to the Grizz for Henry, Mayo and Thabeet. That gives us a starting SG in Mayo who can defend the 2 position and run the point when we want Steph as the SG. It gives us a small forward in Henry who can back-up DWright until he proves better. It also gives us a project back-up center in Thabeet, who was the #2 overall pick in 2009.

    PG – Curry/Pargo/Lin
    SG – Mayo/Williams/Bell
    SF – DWright/Henry
    PF – Lee/BWright/Udoh
    C – Biedrins/Gadzuric/Thabeet

  • Hook Mitchell

    Mike brown as coach ???

    You can’t be serious.

    He is HORRIBLE.

    Just called isolation plays for Lebron all day every day.

    I’d rather sign Latrell Sprewell than hire PJ carlesimo.

    Just let coach Nelson finish out this last year.

    Our ceiling is 40wins max??? Not sure.

    Let the new owners get situ-ma-waited and hire their guy next off season.

  • Fadein2Bolivian

    #13,

    Wow. Sounds like you were in the room. Did you take pictures?

    If Biedrins is healthy, he’ll play center just like he did before. This is simple.

  • dan

    Nellie wrecks Biedrins? really? Biedrins should be on his knees and thank Nellie because Nellie “discovered/helped” him and Monta. Both are very rich today because of Nellie. Nellie let Biedrins play to his strenghs. If Nellie did not come back, Mullin probably would have packaged both in trades for another Baron Davis type.

    Biedrins was in some kind of trouble. what? I don’t know. is he on drugs? who knows but his nationa team even noticed it.

  • http://feltbot.com/ feltbot

    There is no better developer of NBA point guards in NBA history than Don Nelson. Sidney Moncrief, Tim Hardaway, Avery Johnson, Steve Nash, Stephen Curry.

    The more time Stephen Curry gets under Don Nelson the better he will be.

    And the more time this Warriors team gets under Don Nelson the better they will be. This team was built specifically by Don Nelson, for Don Nelson. It will be the fastest team in the NBA end-to-end not based in South Beach.

    Let them jell under the old master, and then let the young buck take the reins when the team already has its identity, and knows how to play.

  • Son of Ahmed

    Amazed by the defeatist, hopeless attitude of Warriors fans. It’s as if so many of you suffer from battered wife syndrome.

    For those who say with resignation that the Lacob “might as well keep Nelson for his last season’ are really missing the point, which is: all things Cohan must be expunged. Nelson is inextricably connected to Cohan. You can’t separate him from the dysfunction of the past few seasons. A complete overhaul of the front office is an utter necessity. Riley has done some nice things of late, but even he should be given his walking papers, or take on a smaller role. Time for a completely new regime with a new outlook.

    Seems to me that those settling for one more year of Nelson loathe defense, rebounding, and low post scoring. The “junk ball” and small ball served up by Nelson has made the Warriors a laughing stock for every broadcast team in the NBA (except ours of course). Anyone who’s watched the games on League Pass knows exactly what I mean.

    The new owners should be all about change, especially Lacob, who has paid his money as a season ticket holder.

    There has been major problems with the team, and they are systemic. The Warriors have been near the bottom in point differential, rebounding differential, and field goal percentage against for the past few years under Nelson. The irrational, nonsensical rotations, the inconsistent and confusing allocation of minutes, the fruitless obsession with mismatches, the institution of the power-less forward, the chucking by guards and wing players, and the assistance of playing everyone out of position has taken its toll, especially on the big players.

    Now is the time to clean house. Not the season after next. There is a new sheriff in town. Let’s hope he has the cajones to move the organization in the right direction immediately and boldly.

  • Dresden

    Getting rid of Nelson is addition by subtraction. He is a toxic presence on this team.

  • Fadein2Bolivian

    #26

    “Seems to me that those settling for one more year of Nelson loathe defense, rebounding, and low post scoring. The “junk ball” and small ball served up by Nelson has made the Warriors a laughing stock for every broadcast team in the NBA (except ours of course). Anyone who’s watched the games on League Pass knows exactly what I mean.”

    I have League Pass. I’ve never seen a team like last year’s W’s that had nobody on the front line who could score. That team loses no matter who is in the lineup. Would the W’s have won 40 games last year if they had played bigger? Sorry. Impossible.

    You think there won’t be any rebounding with AB and Lee in the lineup, or is your default setting that Nelson will do whatever it takes, including sitting a healthy Biedrins, so that he can start Lee at the 5 and play him there all night? I think Nelson is tired of watching the team get outrebounded. Hello? That’s why Wright and Lee were acquired. They’ve been looking for PF who can rebound and a bigger 3 for a long time. Now that they have them, they’re going to play their natural positions, no matter who is the coach.

    Assuming the opposite qualifies as “defeatist, hopeless attitude of Warriors fans” imo.

  • Gunner

    MT wrote, “… If Lacob is not willing to do any under-the-table dealing…”.

    I call BS. He has been dealing. You think he didn’t have a say on David Lee’s signing? You think he didn’t have a say on giving up Maggette for scrubs who will never play? You think he didn’t have a say on not matching Watson and Morrow’s offers?

    Let me tell you, the only reason he hasn’t fired Nelson yet is that he doesn’t want to pay Nelson AND pay for a new coach.

    Think of someone who stretched himself to buy an expensive house, but had no money to buy furniture.

    If you understand this, everything will make sense.

  • BuyerBeware

    I’m sure Lacob has someone in mind as a replacement, but it makes sense if he sticks it out with Nelly for one more year since the transition time may be way too short.

    I don’t mind being “bad” another year since Cohan and Co. is not running the team any more.

  • Steve

    #28, the Nelli haters don’t want to see the Warriors have a great season this year under Nelson after hammering the guy for the last two years. Two years during which time ZERO NBA coaches would have done any better given the Warriors hopeless combination of extreme youth and injuries. Forget about the fact he coached-up a group of slightly better than average players to 90 wins over a two year period in an insanely deep Western Conference.

    Hey, Nelli haters, how about this scenario? Nelson stays for “one last season”, during which GSW wins just enough games to make the playoffs. Then, they even pull off a first round upset. THEN, Nelli is offered a two year extension to continue coaching. AND he accepts. What then? LMAO

  • Blkdiemend

    In a perfect world, Lacob would force Nelson to step down and become an assistant coach (offensive, obviously) and thus would work with the ‘new’ coach, whoever that may be. This allows us to use Nelson’s superior offensive mind (you can’t deny that Nelson is an offensive genius, he is.), not pay him his last year for nothing, take him out of a position of power and officially start the ‘new’ era without truly rocking the boat. However, the plan fails once the egos come into play. Any new ‘young’ coach will not get respect from Nelson and with that, chemistry building would be at a standstill. It’s not a horrible thought.

  • http://Techreport.com Wander7

    Saw some of the interview with Lacob on Chronicle live and his comment about interviewing the current employees of the front office and basing decisions on what they say scares the crap out of me; Rowell kissed Cohan’s ass really well and I fear Locab’s ass will be given a good kiss by that weasle of a SOB….

  • Fadein2Bolivian

    #30,

    Yeah, the haters love to trot out the team’s record for the past 2 seasons and say, “look, it doesn’t work. Nellie’s horrible”

    Anyone in their right mind realizes how much injuries played a part in all of that. Remember the moped? That was the beginning of it all.

    Then, in a comparison that makes no sense, they’ll say, “Oh, what about Portland? They had injuries?”

    This just in: Portland had a stacked roster, 2 or 3 deep at every position, that was in a much stronger position to sustain some injuries, thanks to Paul Allen who buys draft picks like I pick cherries at the market.

  • Hook Mitchell

    I really don’t understand the hate on Nelson.

    I know his flaws. Hated him giving Randolph inconsistent minutes.

    We did NOTHING in the years in between Nelson as our coach.

    Just look at what he did last year with a depleted roster.

    Sometimes suiting up only SIX PLAYERS.

    Nelson deserves another year.

    Robert Rowell on the other hand must go. And he will go. Just not now.
    Expect him gone late august early September.

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  • NoBowlsComint2USC

    No. 29 – Dumb. The basketball moves were good NBA basketball moves, and left the team in good shape to get better. Maggette was uselss – the team won more without him than with him and his contract was awful. That was correcting a mistake. Lee is a major upgrade over what we had, and who cares about the bench guys?

    Oh, and Lacob is worth at least $1B on his own, has other investors, and isn’t going to be short of money. Do some research.

  • Dave from Prague

    On Razor and Mr T, Lacob said he could have vetoed the David Lee deal. If you had a chance to veto that deal why wouldn’t you. The franchise has much greater flexibility and opportunity with Randolph.

    It already seems like more of the same and Lacob hasn’t taken over yet.

    The decision on Nellie, Rowell, etc. is not about basketball. It’s about the fans. If you keep anyone from Cohan regime all you’re saying is that Lacob is just extending the Cohan years.

  • Son of Ahmed

    Fadein2Bolivian,

    re: “You think there won’t be any rebounding with AB and Lee in the lineup, or is your default setting that Nelson will do whatever it takes, including sitting a healthy Biedrins, so that he can start Lee at the 5 and play him there all night? I think Nelson is tired of watching the team get outrebounded. Hello? That’s why Wright and Lee were acquired. They’ve been looking for PF who can rebound and a bigger 3 for a long time. Now that they have them, they’re going to play their natural positions, no matter who is the coach.”

    You must not have been watching the games closely the past three seasons. Yes, the Nelson of the past four seasons would play Lee at the 5. It was Mullin who acquired Wright, and Nelson kept him glued to the bench. In games where he was having a great first half approaching 20-10 he didn’t sniff the court in the second half. There was a game two seasons ago where Wright was tearing it up. He made a little mistake and the Wright was sent to the bench never to return. The mild mannered Wright scowled at Nellie and a coach had to calm him down. Nelson has been promising a two-big line-up for some time, but we’ve never seen it.

    Nelson had a very productive rebounder in Anthony Randolph, but Randolph rode pine too.

    What is the draw here? As the coach of the Warriors he has NEVER had a team with a decent post game. He eschews big players (See Webber, Ewing, and Randolph), and he defaults to small ball and ineffective mismatches because he no longer has the imagination to coach any other way.

    Nelson was a good coach in Milwaukee. That was 30 years ago. His latest stint with the Warriors has been mediocre at best.

    If Lacob is really about winning, he will immediately clean the slate on 16 years of futility.

  • dw

    Rowell before Nelson, period!

  • Marques8

    The discussion of Nelson, as always, is unresponsible. All over the country, people like to watch his teams because it is exciting basketball. My guess is that he came here thinking he would have a few years around 50 wins. The put together some guys who could play with Baron and boom, Baron is gone. Mostly Nellie has played the hand he was dealt pretty well. I don’t give a damn about his character. None of us really know any of their characters. He’s been a good basketball game for half a century. He’ll win 45 to 50 games with this team. Given the names bouncing around here, no one is going to do better. As for him wrecking Bedrins, the guy has got it backward. Nellie made Bedrins. And then there was an injury. If there aren’t better names than are appearing here, I vote for Reggie Miller’s sister.

  • Marques8

    Mostly Nellie has played the hand he was dealt pretty well. Given the names bouncing around here, no one is going to do better. As for him wrecking Bedrins, the guy has got it backward. Nellie made Bedrins. And then there was an injury. If there aren’t better names than are appearing here, I vote for Reggie Miller’s sister.

  • Fadein2Bolivian

    #34,

    Well, I’m sure AR agrees with you. He thinks he’s so good that he didn’t bother to learn the plays on offense, thought it was ok to jack up 20 footers when he’s nowhere near a consistent jump shooter yet, and repeatedly committed TOs by over dribbling and not passing to the PG. Uh huh. I watched the games closely and sometimes I was surprised he didn’t get yanked sooner.

    I do recall a game when Wright was playing well early and didn’t play much in the 2nd half. I don’t remember “games”, as if it happened routinely. He’s another big who I suspect will play more this year if he can just stay healthy.

  • Fadein2Bolivian

    Marques8,

    Good point. Nellie’s guy, Sidney Moncrief, helps AB with his FTs. Then AB plays for his national team, gets all screwed up trying a different approach, and it’s somehow Nellie’s fault. The haters lose all credibility when they take it to such extremes.

  • Slamma Jamma

    I think the W’s are trying to move in the right direction. They are trying to construct a “real” basketball team with players (perhaps aside from Ellis) who actually fit their positions and can play a little D. The LAST thing on earth they need is to have Nellie stagger in with a martini in one hand and a cigar in the other and make a bunch of trick line-ups again: “Pargo, you’ll be power forward. [hiccup] Dorrel, you’re our center. [hiccup] Lee, you’re benched until you can hit the three.”

    It is time to move on. He got the record already. Now let’s get a guy in here who is preaches team basketball and is more balanced between offense and defense. I am sick of Nelli-ball!

    One last thought: could we continue the “feel good” story be bringing in Omar Samhan as our backup big man? 6’11″, not athletic but skilled, local kid? He could come from nowhere and really be a player in the NBA, I think.

  • Dave in LA

    Wow. Some serious selective memory today. It is a given that Nellie has been a great, creative coach over his 30 years in the association. But anyone who has actually watched the majority of W’s games through the latest Nellie run have seen the obvious. Yes…even during the “we believe” year and the following 48 win season. Did you not see during the Utah playoff series the W’s get eaten alive on the boards….while we had big bodies riding the pine? Or how about the end of season 40+minute games that broke dpown our starters, even tho we DID have a bench then to spell them? And really…are you seriously going to defend Maggette at PF all those games altho we had bigs available on the bench? His insistence to do it his way…ie: no defense, 1 big, free chucking from the smalls and did I mention no defense???? Come on…The whole reason we rooted for ownership change was to change the franchise culture…that includes the coaching culture as well. Sorry…but Mr. Lacob…we’re counting on you to make wholesale changes to our beloved franchise. Respect and honor Nellie for all he’s done for the game…but make the changes nonetheless.

  • Twinkie defense

    Lacob is using the sale to keep Nellie on this season without incurring the wrath of those who want Nellie gone – “it’s the processes’ fault.” Nellie also probably gives the Warriors the best chance at the playoffs this season.

  • BBall Fan

    Knuckle heads. Everyone associated with the warriors are knuckleheads. Including the fans! Lacob is going to make the same mistake Cohan made for 16 yrs (and never figured out the problem). The Owner doesn’t need to hire the coach. The Owner hires the VP of Ops. Then let him hire EVERYONE else. Period! If it doesn’t happen that way you get PANDAMONIUM. Which is what we all observed for 16 miserable years. Am I the only one who noticed that every GM Coahan hired was a ROOKIE GM. If you non’t learn from your mistakes, it makes you an idiot (or atleast a knuclehead). PLEASE, lets not start down this path again. Lets stop talking about who the next coach is, but rather who will be the next GM (hopefully one with experience and championship rings)!!!

  • Cranky Teacher

    Seems pretty simple: dump Nellie now if you really think you’ve found The One to replace him, keep him one more year if you don’t.

    I suspect Nellie would rather collect the money and skip the coaching now that he has the record.

  • Fadein2Bolivian

    Selective memory? I guess so if you think POB, Josh Powell, and Adonal Foyle would have made a difference in the Utah series. Btw, whatever happened to POB and Foyle? I haven’t seen them on the court in the last few years. Adonal’s a great guy though. Love hearing him talk about anything.

    Actually I think I just saw POB playing for the Timberwolves SL squad. Damn, we missed out on that one and, as usual, it’s all Nellie’s fault.

  • CeAndra

    I dont that is a difficult task to do right now. We already made alot of players move to start a new era of type of players with certain skill sets. We know we want Nellie gone but its way that the new owner must do this task. First what good young, experienced and competitive coach available who can come in a turn this team around? that’s the question the owner must investigate to start a list of candidates for the job and prepare them to take the rein after this season.

  • WarriorD

    I have been back and forth with how I feel about Nellie, but basically from what I saw last season, the players (at least the ones left standing in the end) played FOR Nellie. They really came together with the few players they had playing and win or lose, they didn’t give up. If you look at past coaches we had, you can see players giving up on them.
    Why I think Nellie can be successful with this team this season.
    1. Injuries cost them the last season, not a playoff season but some sort of semblance of direction for a team for a season. The front line is already hurt, but hopefully we can at least keep the starters healthy.
    2. This team is a better rebounding team. Nellie’s roster was outrebounded because his best players weren’t the best rebounders. Now Lee is his best Forward and a great rebounder. With Turiaf gone and hopefully Biedrens healthy, Biedrens will help out on the boards and be back to double figures. Monta and Curry are both good rebounders for their size and position. Except for last season, the Warriors were never out of the top half of the league and even had some top 10 team rebounding teams in the last few years of the Nellie Era.
    3. There’s no more second guessing or much developing needed. The team always had young depth that never had a chance to develop. Now it’s pretty clear who needs to play. That’s what made Randolph a gift and a curse to me. Everyone wanted to see him play…but then he sometimes killed the team when he played, but they wanted him to play more. Now we have an actual core and no one should have the opportunity to second guess Nellie’s decisions. Would you rather see BWright developing in the game and take Lee out? Probably not. Regardless who plays the 3, this is the best starting 5 proven as players, we’ve had here for a while.
    4. Nellie can bring the most out of this team. What we have left is hard working guys that will play for Nellie and are made to play Nellie Ball. I don’t think keeping Nellie keeps the Cohan era alive…This team was built to run, built to pick-and-roll and has a hell of a point guard running things. That’s the formula of the signature Nellie Winning Teams and I’d like to see one more season of the Oracle Rocking. The next coach can be young and exciting, but not get the most out of his players the way Nellie does. Getting rid of Rowell will be a better indication of Killing the Cohan Era.

    My mind will change if we sign Devean George and he plays starter minutes or if Pargo plays over Curry.

  • http://www.clush.com ozfraud

    Keith smart ftw

  • Dave in LA

    (43)
    POB…ok, you got me there. But both Foyle and Powell made contributions to their respective playoff team’s runs as back up beef. after they left the W’s. Yes…They could have helped in boards and interior D in spot minutes. Since we were getting killed already inside…why not at least make the attempt to adjust? Oh…That’s right…Nellie don’t need no stinking D (or bigs for that matter)

  • Twinkie defense

    People forget how close the Warriors were to upsetting the Jazz and advancing to the WCF. If not for a couple missed free throws things might’ve been different… and what business did that squad really have battling a clearly much better, bigger, and deeper Jazz team anyway? If the Warriors would’ve had Turiaf one season sooner everything might have been different. But to suggest that Adonal Foyle would have been the difference, or Patrick O’Bryant?! Sure, if we want to be swept instead of battling, that’s a difference.

  • Son of Ahmed

    Wow. All this cheer leading for a coach who has a below .500 record coaching the Warriors over 11 seasons. Hopefully Lacob has a different standard of excellence than some of the fans.

  • Dave in LA

    Thank you SOA!

  • Dave in LA

    And for the record…if you are within “a couple of missed free throws” of winning a series don’t you think a couple of more posessions due to better rebounding may have made a difference?

  • Twinkie defense

    No I think just not choking on the FTs would have sufficed.

    Did we want better rebounding, low post scoring and defense? Of course. Personally I would feel better about trotting out a smaller guy who can actually play basketball at the professional level than stiffs like Adonal and POB though – putting the chances of winning on the back of those two is a leap of faith I’d rather not make.

    Of course it’s an easy argument for the Nellie-haters to make though – what if? What if we had started the great Patrick O’Bryant? Undoubtably we would have won it all :lol:

    And Son of Ahmad, you can criticize Nellie’s winning percentage here, fair enough, but it’s a little disingenuous to do so outside of the context of the Warriors winning percentage without Nellie. I’m all for having a better coach, but somehow given what I’ve seen of the alternatives I have to say, gimme Nellie every day of the week, and twice on gameday.

    Not to mention, Nellie has done enough for this franchise over the years that he has earned the right to have one swan-song season where he is allowed to field more than 6 or 7 broken down players and D-Leaguers.

  • dan

    they should have won game 2 vs the jazz if JRich just made his FT

  • dan

    btw it is not cheerleading at all. Nellie should retire in my opinion b/c he is too old but attacking him and blaming him for Bioedrins problems were stoopid. Nellie helped make Biedrins and Monta. Nellie somehow convinced the coach killer named Baron Davis to become leader. Nellie somehow convinced that punk Jackson to play ball for the W’s. I could go on but let’s be real when you guys want to attack him.

    We all remember POB, Diogu, Belli etc… Nellie ruined them. Nellie did not develop them etc….just stoopid.

  • J-Walk

    Spirited arguments from both sides and I think both arguments have merrit. I would first argue that Nellie is not a toxic presence and by keeping him around you’re not keeping the Cohan era alive. The new owner in and of itself kills the Cohan era. Nellie can coach. People need to remember that. It sounds like the core players want him back. Which to me speaks more to his ability to win with this team than his record over the last two injury mared seasons.

    On the other hand I do get tired of the mad scientist approach with the constant shuffling of players in and out of the starting line-up. Inconsistant minutes to the bench players who have no identified roles. I too have league pass and one constant I see from teams that win is consistancy. Consistancy with the starters who know about how many minutes they are going to play and know when they are going to get their breaks. Consitancy with the bench players who know when they are going to come into the game, how many minutes they are going to play and what there role is when they are on the floor. To me that has been the biggest thing lacking with the Warriors over the past two seasons.

    With that said, I beleive that the Warriors for the first time since Nellie came back to coach this team have balance. Starting players with defined positions with a back-up for that postion. To me order and consitancy must be upheld in order for the Warriors to succeed. That would be my only stipulation to Nellie if I were the owner and was considering bringing him back for his last year. In the end I think #42 said it best. If you have identified who you want and he’s ready to go then make the change. If it’s an interview process, bring back Nellie and do some proper evaluation of the team and the potential coaches to make sure you get the right fit.

  • Son of Ahmed

    Twinkie Defense,

    I find it ironic that you are staunchly defending Nelson given the second word in your handle. ;-)

    Anyway, re: “And Son of Ahmad, you can criticize Nellie’s winning percentage here, fair enough, but it’s a little disingenuous to do so outside of the context of the Warriors winning percentage without Nellie. I’m all for having a better coach, but somehow given what I’ve seen of the alternatives I have to say, gimme Nellie every day of the week, and twice on gameday.”

    That comment typifies the shortsightedness of Warriors fans. (No offense intended.) We base our criteria of what good coaching is against the failed background of Warriors history. That’s exactly what I meant by “battered wife syndrome” a few posts ago. I’m not interested in how much better Nelson has been than other coaches who have coached the Warriors. And as a new ownership group comes in, they should be doing everything in their power to remove the stains of the past and start fresh with a team that wins.

    This is not very complicated. The new owners have said they are all about winning. Winning requires defense, rebounding, and low post play. Nelson’s teams have failed miserably in these areas. It’s time for change.

    When Nelson leaves, I too will have some fond memories of his successful moments with the team. But the record has been mixed, and the team needs to change its identity overnight once the take over becomes official.

  • Dave in LA

    Twinkie (59)
    Again…I give you POB. But re-read my post. I never espoused starting and giving huge minutes to Foyle OR Powell. Bring them in for spot minutes to clog the middle, grab a few boards and maybe get a block or two (plus the added benefit of not running out short rotation into the ground) and maybe we win that series. Use them like Van Gundy and P Jackson did in their playoff runs. No need to remake the basic construct of the team just adjust with b/ups as needed to get a specific result. That’s why they are called “in game adjustments.” Getting killed on the boards…adjust.

  • jsl

    My word! Is Twinkie the new Felty?

    Felty raves about Nelson’s work with guards. Well, fair enough, Felty, but that’s the problem: the Fat Man’s always playing four of ‘em, burning ‘em out (see, e.g. BD, Monta, Cancer Jack — who’s a two in a short three’s body, even Curry last year — tho he got a break till about January when Nelson realized, “Hey, this kid’s pretty good!”), and preaching “No D” year after year.

    Except for Dirk — who laughs at Nelson’s “No D” coaching now — can you name a non-guard he’s “developed” since Mullin (who, one might say, brought a lotta talent with him — as did Dirk; tho, like Coach Nelson, neither’s ever won anything in the NBA)?

  • dan

    please stop it. Coaches don’t develop players. Players either have it or they don’t. crazy garbage talks.

  • Dave in LA

    Dan (66)
    You’re right…Players typically at this level DO arrive with a lot of talent…BUT…a coach can seriously impede a players natural development and ultimate success with bad rotations, schemes, etc. A coache’s job is to design a situation and environment to maximize the talents he is surrounded by. You can have Lebron James…but if your strategy is designed and being called by Mike Brown you still lose!

  • Dre

    we got new ownership we might as well have new management. nellie i believe gets too much credit for last year, yes we had many injuries but so did a lot of other teams who had much better seasons than us (Portland being that team).

    dream scenario:
    GM: Kevin Pritchard or David Griffin (especially if Jerry West follows suit as an advisor for Griffin)
    Coach: Brian Shaw

    at the end I believe lacob keeps nellie and company the rest of the year.

  • Frank

    I can understand the sentiment to fire Nellie…however, the fact remains Lacob doesn’t own the team yet. When Nellie does go, I like the Brian Shaw idea a lot. He’s a bright guy, and having been associated with the Lakers, he understands what it takes to win. That in itself should do wonders for this team.

  • dan

    Dave in LA:

    then Randolph is too stoopid then because he did not listen to Nellie. If Randolph had listened or paid attention, he would be a better player today. Nellie did help Biedrins and Monta become better players by designing plays for them. Biedrins can not shoot so Nellie told him don’t shoot, just run the floor and rebound. Monta is not a PG so Nellie told him to run the floor and attack the basket.

    Nellie is not as stupid or crazy as some of you wanted to make him out to be. He “developed” Nash, did he not? Nash was a 3rd PG in Phoenix but Nellie saw something and had confidence in Nash by signing him to a big contract. Nellie also “developed” Dirk, right ? How about Timmy Hardaway or Mitch or Mullin ? People laughed when Nellie traded a fatso for a 18yo german named Dirk.

    Coaches typically do not develop players. they can help by simplying things but if players refuse to listen, there is nothing a coach can do.

    Doc Rivers was almost gone/fired when he has to play bunch of kids in Boston. Now Doc looks like a genius w/ the 3 tenors. Doc must be some kind of genius. NOT.

    You win with talent. Always.

  • http://mail.yahoo.com DubsFan

    Fire Nelson. Give Keith Smart a chance. Similar system but with more defense. If he works, then we have up & coming coach. If not, we look for someone else next summer.

  • Twinkie defense

    Exactly, talent wins. And the Warriors have come up on the short end of the stick, talent-wise, more often than not. I don’t think you can blame Nellie for that though – if anything, he’s been able to squeeze some admirable performances from players he pulled right off the scrap heap, and it’s not his fault that the lottery got us Mike Dunleavy instead of Yao Ming and Epke Udoh instead of John Wall.

    And while “development” is a crock, spotting talent is not, and there’s maybe no one with as good an eye for talent as Nellie.

    Nellie’s philosophy is to maximize a player’s strengths, and hide their weaknesses. For example, Randolph is a train wreck when he’s trying to dribble drive and take pull-up jumpers. Nellie told him to just get his rebounding right, just focus on that, and let’s go from there. While Randolph would disagree, because he prefers to showcase his own skills, I believe Nellie did the right thing – the thing that helps the team win – by insisting that before all else, AR4 grabs the damn board. In fact I was embarrassed for Randolph when I read that his high school coach could only get him to board when he told him he could be the point guard, but only after he pulled down a defensive board… and AR went out and pulled down 18. Sigh…

    It’s that kind of philosophy that enabled Monta and Biedrins to “develop.” Montgomery had Monta buried behind D-Fish (who Mullin had to trade just to get Monta some PT), and he also had Foyle inked in as the starter the summer before Nellie came on board, he wasn’t even going to give Biedrins the chance to compete for the spot. Thank god Nellie put Biedrins in there and gave Foyle a one-way ticket out of town.

    Hey, I’m all for getting a new coach in due time, which I think is next summer. But rushing to hire one now when most of the hiring has been done, and before you have a new GM in place or even been able to evaluate the full, healthy roster I say is exactly the kind of mistake that has plagued this franchise in the past. Time for an orderly evaluation and transition, not a panicky retreat from everything-Warriors.

  • Dave in LA

    We agree to disagree. And I do not disagree that Nellie has…in his 30 year career been able to do a good job spotting talent here and there. But you are citing long passed history. Here we sit in 2010, new owners, young, inexperienced team…and a coach who has publicly stated this is not the kind of team he wants at this point in his career. “I deserve a veteran team” I believe was his specific quote. Kinda like me telling everyone that the job I have is really not the job I want…but I’ll stay on to collect a paycheck regardless. I would not expect any new boss to think that my views are conducive to a positive, successful work environment. Would you?

  • Steve

    Don Nelson’s career coaching record as Warriors coach was 396-387 following the 2007-’08 season. Only the last two seasons when he had the best D-League team in the NBA to work with did his record slip below .500.

    Given the fact that the ONLY GREAT player the Warriors have had in the last 35 years (Rick Barry) played for them 35 years ago, it’s amazing that ANYONE could coach this mess-of-a-franchise for close to 1,000 games and win as many games as Nelli did. The guy deserves pats on the back, not kicks to the groin.

    I look around the league and I don’t see many coaches that inspire heaploads of confidence. The same guys keep getting hired and then fired, then re-hired again. And between head coaching gigs they’re either holding clipboards or talking into some microphone. Be careful what you wish for. The next Eric Mussellman could be coming to a theater near you.

  • dan

    What Nellie has done best throughout his career is turning a sh@@tty roster into a playoffs roster. He is one of better team builders and I count West, Petries among them.

    Nellie is too old for coaching but he is not an idiot. he may not care as much now because the team roster sux but he is not an idiot

    You think Mike Brown developed Lebron ? Yeah.

  • Son of Ahmed

    Player development? That’s what college is all about in my opinion.

    Professional development, now that’s another story. Guys in the league should be developing their game on their own and with the help of assistant coaches and consultants. That’s why they are called PROFESSIONAL athletes. In spite of all the stories we hear about knucklehead athletes in pro sports, most, I believe, live up their role as professionals.

    Where coaches come in is how they use the players. Do they get the best out of the player.

    Feltbot used the example of Don Nelson and Steve Nash. I think it is a good example, only I reach a much different conclusion. After being buried behind Jason Kidd and Kevin Johnson in Phoenix in his first two seasons, Nash emerged as a player in Dallas under Don Nelson. In his six years under Don Nelson in Dallas, Nash averaged 7.9 assists per game and 13.7 points per game. In his six years with Phoenix, he has averaged 10.9 assists per game and 17.0 points per game. It was not until he arrived in Pheonex that he won his two MVP awards. The Nash who played for Dallas was a different player than the one who played for Phoenix. The Suns Nash was a much better distributor as evidence by the significant jump in assist numbers (3 more per game, a 27% increase). I remember Nash in Dallas. I liked those teams, but would get frustrated by Nash calling his own number a little too much. A buddy of mine had the same gripe. This is a characteristic of most Nellie point guards. I loved Hardaway, but was frustrated by his proclivity to shoot the early 3, something Nelly seemed to promote. Same could be said for the ball pounding and ball chucking Baron Davis.

    Anyway, once Nash left Dallas, he emerged as the game’s best distributor since John Stockton. Though his point production went up, the assist numbers went up even more. He simply made better decisions with the ball.

    Nash developed in an MVP player after he left Dallas. It showed on the court, and the statistics back it up.

  • Al Oha

    You guys are arguing over Nellie’s abilities as a coach and comparing past results to present results.

    Then the Nellie-backers site the fact that he had only D-Leaguers and youth to play with as an excuse for his losing record the past two years.

    But, the point of fact, that is not discussed, is how did the W’s get to the point of such a dearth in talent that they were playing D-Leaguers and could barely put 5 guys on the court at times (remember Curry playing w/ 6 fouls).

    Nellie, the coach, could blame Nellie, the de-facto GM, for plenty of the talent downgrade swaps made over the last two years. BD, Barnes, Pietrus, AH, SJax, Crawford, yeah you could say they HAD to go, but what did they get in return? Did Nellie maximize their value? Or did he make it known publicly that they could be had for nothing, expiring bunk, and/or injured players that were later let go or they’re still carrying eating up capspace.

    Who was responsible for that roster of D-Leaguers and bunk playing with Curry and Monta?

  • Al Oha

    Nellie was partly responsible and likely more than that since HE was the BB consigliere to Rowell after throwing Mullin under the bus and installing Riley in as his hand puppet.

  • Al Oha

    RESPONSIBILITY
    ACCOUNTABILITY

    Two words not in this coach’s vocabulary.
    He doesn’t practice it.
    He doesn’t preach it.
    He doesn’t demand it.
    He doesn’t get it.

    No wonder BD and SJax went off the deep end. No wonder Monta, one of THE MOST EFFICIENT SCORERS in the league two years ago, morphed into a selfish gunner.

    Stop him before he ruins Stephen Curry and/or Curry looks for his ticket out of the Bay Area.

  • MareR

    Nellie’s offense works. Nellie’s defense does not. If the Warriors hired a defensive specialist then this team would win a lot of games. The key, of course, is the transition game, both ways.

  • ComOn Cents

    Hey Gunner: Coach’s contract is guaranteed. Lacob is gonna pay him whether he fires him or not. Hiring a new guy now would only cost Lacob more than hiring the same guy later! A couple of month’s salary for a “new” young NBA head coach now would not really a factor in bringing in that new guy!
    Those of you who think Nellie is gonna tank the team are crazy. Nellie is all about having as many wins as possible when he retires. That is why he hired on for another 3(?) years when he did. He wants to win just never has enough healthy players to do so. I am not saying that he would have won a bunch of games with the players on the team last year but 40 or more was not unrealistic if he had a healthy team! I think most would agree with that estimate.
    Not sure if he should go or not. Have mixed feelings. To say that the players on the team now are of his doing doesn’t seem to make much sense to me, either. Mnaagement just traded all of those guys away or let them leave for peanuts. Do you think Nellie wants to spend another year losing? I really think the problems of the past few years generally fall on management, not coaching!
    Nellie came back and the Warriors won. We all seem to want to forget that FACT! Mullin left and they started to leak oil badly! Fault management, not coaching! And, don’t fault Nellie for Mullin’s leaving. Even if he wanted that to happen, the big boys upstairs did the deed!
    Also, please remember all those years in between Nellie’s coaching of the team. Wanna go back to that kind of team? Nellie brought excitement back to the Coliseum and, again, we just want to sweep that under the rug! It didn’t happen! Nellie is no good! Why won’t any one of you say that over the past 4-5 years we would have been better off without Nellie? You won’t because even with the outlandish things said in the many comments above mine, no one is stupid enough to try to perpetrate that lie on the world!!! Try to imagine Cohan and company rinning the team with a new coach every year or 2 instead of with Nellie in place. There would not be even the one playoff year without Nellie! Please, whether he stays or goes, stop rewriting history and give Nellie his due!!!

  • Al Oha

    We are.

    Both good and bad.

  • Fadein2Bolivian

    I heard David Lee tell Ralph and Tom that Chicago and Miami were also interested in him, but had to wait for Lebron, so I guess that shoots the hell out of the absurd theory that it was only the worst teams in the league who wanted him.

    It was also nice to hear officially from Lacob that he not only knew about the Lee deal, but liked it.

    All the incessant whining about how horrible the trade was to make before the new ownership took over was, as usual, misplaced and not too bright.

  • Son of Ahmed

    Fadein2Bolivian, #79

    Now that is something we can agree on! Looking forward to a few seasons with Lee.

  • Billy B

    After Nellie is long gone and the coaching carousel is in play with several coaches panning out, we will approach Nellie once again to try and save the Dubs. At that point, Nellie will be much older to save our buts.

    We’ve been down this road before. Best to do our due-dilligence and wait another year before letting Nelson go. You do a rush job and get a new coach now, we still will be short of the playoffs this year.

    It would have been interesting to see the Cavs have Nellie as their coach last year when they were out coached by Phil Jackson in the playoffs. The Cavs could have been a run and gun team and nightmare in matchups.

    I think Nellie makes a big, positive difference in any team barring the whisky.

  • Fadein2Bolivian

    Son #80,

    Sounds good. I don’t know if I can survive the next few months of waiting to see him and Curry play together.

    Patience…

  • Leftshot

    The smart thing is to get the guy you really want. That trumps everything else. If you can’t get the guy you want now, it would be crazy to commit to someone who’s not your guy.

    So if you can get your guy now, better earlier than later. If you can’t get your guy right away a little patience is warranted.

  • Sleepy Freud

    Keep Nellie for the next 10 years. He is the greatest coach in the history of the NBA. GO Warriors!

  • Sleepy Freud

    Keep Nellie for the next 10 years. He is the greatest coach in the history of the NBA. GO Warriors! NBA Chanps in 2011!

  • earl monroe

    No Sale, its not happening!
    I own you

  • WarriorDragon

    The players are the ones that’s gonna get GSW to the playoffs, not the coach, BB is a player’s game. Unlike football, it’s a coach game, so Nelson is really IRRELEVANT. I like the rumor of Antawn Jamison coming home, he can finish his career as a GSW SF. Give Jamison his No. 33 and GS get to the playoffs with 3 allstars in Curry, Lee, and Jamison.

  • WarriorDragon

    Udoh can game at center. Udoh play bigger than his size. Zo Mourning is 6’10 and dominant at center for the Hornets. It should be no problem. Lee and play center too, they both can flip flop in a game. Jamison is my type of player. He can beat the Lakers by himself. He prove it!

  • WarriorDragon

    Udoh can easily avg. double/double in the middle. Plus, GS get the shotblocker, Udoh is a lotto pick so we’d cannot SIT him this season. It’s a good frontline of Udoh, Lee, and Jamison. Cavs will have to give GS a unprotected 1st pick, or some sort of lotto protection up to top 10, anything lower will be GS pick.

  • earl monroe

    Jamison is not a star, neither is Lee, Curry has potential to be a star, Ellis could be a star if he would get realistic and
    stop saying he is better than LeBron. Oh yeah, Randolph could also be a star

  • WarriorDragon

    Jamison can easily go 20/10 at the SF position. Reggie Williams can play the SG. He’s 6’6 and BIG for a SG. GS will not have any problem putting up the points. Curry is a distributer when he decide not to shoot at times. It’s good that Curry and Lee made the allstar team as coaches picks. GSW knows Jamison game, so, it’s easy to make a trade for Jamison, the fans did not like the trade of Twan to the Mavs. It’s a Chris Mullin trade, he’s IRRELEVANT, this team will be competitive again. GSW will have a shot winning games.

  • RoyK

    Son of Ahmed, @26: Usually you are the voice of reason but on this one I can’t agree with your opinion that not firing Nelson for an (unknown) new coach shows a lack of …courage. This is not a matter of cajones but reason. First of all, is there a new Coach available that can step right in and produce results? It seems the first priority is settling on a GM with a vision that starts with the player personnel we have, our culture of losing, and sees a path that takes us 180 degrees to a culture of winning, and to establishing an Organization that will be a destination for good players that want to live in a beautiful place with beautiful weather and with a caring, professional, competent, cpnsistent organization that always competes and attracts other strong positive characters who are also good basketball players. It is going to take some time for this new GM to get the feel for his job. Maybe he knows the Coach that can work the dream, or maybe he has to wait for that personality to get free of other responsibilities. When the Gm has the Coach he wants, then its the time to can Nelson for all the reasons you give. As some of the other posters point out, many of the players aren’t opposed to giving Nelson a last chance. that’s good enough reason not to can him until we’re ready.

  • meir34

    You forgot another possibility. Nellie, who clearly has 0 or 1 season left, might just be as good as his honors including one of the ten best nba coaches of all time-voted by the nba national team media, and the best guy to bring the young guys along. And maybe the young guy is Smart and some transition in the middle of the season with the same system would be smoother than doing it now. Nellie has mucho experience bringing young pgs along, think Timmy Hardaway if you want one in the Nellie-Warrior era. And much experience in bringing young coaches along to replace himself, thing Avery Johnson and every one there knew he was doing just that.

    Local media and some fans are negative on Nellie. He also has little use for the local media, after some hatchet jobs on him done at the Spree-Webber time, and has said it’s more unfair and harder than even NY’s–your buddy Tim Kawakami of the current crop is no. 1 on his don’t talk to list, for obviously good reasons. In retaliation our local media, who rarely ever check sources-has bandwagoned to oust him.

    There are good reasons to start totally fresh and good to do it with him, as I spelled out or other ways. BTW, I want to thank you for going to the horse’s mouth with the interviews lately. You’ve moved to the top of the local beat writers in my book by recent interviews and the fairer tone. I will say with respect in general to the beat writers and local media, that Nellie will go down in the NBA history books for his most wins, his 3 times Coach of the Year and his one of the ten best of all time honor, while beat writers just fade away. Or maybe if they are good looking and charming they can get on ESPN and tell us all how no way Kobe will be back in Laker uniform in the Fall. An obvious knock on Ric B., who also did some hatchet jobs on Nellie, influenced by by the same sort of error that got him on the Kobe story–relying too much on acquaintanceships with players and not checking the stories with others. Anyway Nellie also gave us 5 playoffs and the only one in the entire Cohan era; the old goat might well be a very wise choice to start the season!!

  • rigged

    Yeah, right MEIR. Those were the days that Phil Jackson and Greg Popovic weren’t coaching yet.

  • rigged

    btw MEIR, Why are banned from TK’s blog?

  • http://www.over50match.com over50

    I would like to see Nelson stay on for this last year and see hwo the team does. The warriors have only been in the playoffs two times in the last 16 years and they were both under Nellie. One other time they just barely missed it with 48 wins. Look at what happened with the coaches in between Nellies two stints. Have people forgotten that already?

    The last two years stunk mostly because of youth and inguries. I like Nellie’s style of play and if they bring in some slow down coach who is inexperienced then Ellis, Curry, Lee and the others may be much less effective.

    Nellie has had great success at molding point guards such as Steve Nash and Tim Hardaway. Let him have one more year with Curry and then lets talk about a replacement.

  • petaluman

    Between Nelson’s 2 stints here, we had a succession of coaches, none who lasted more than 2 seasons. That is what Lacob is trying to avoid. Spin doctoring aside, I thought he was pretty clear when asked about Nelson’s situation.

    If the “right guy” comes along, it’s time to make a move. However, it’s better for the team if DN stays for his final season than to have Coach “insert name here” replace him and stick for only 1-2 seasons.

  • http://www.jerseys-factory.com lisa

    jerseys-factory.com: Nellie needs to go, and hope all will be fine

  • Son of Ahmed

    RoyK,
    I won’t retread the arguments I’ve already made on this thread, but I stand by them. Which of them regarding Nelson do you disagree with?

    I understand the argument that is being made here by you and others about being patient and the importance of finding the right front office people rather than just plunging in. Yes, the timeline is short, but the owners can start assembling their team behind the scenes right now. They don’t have to wait until late September. A job search for a normal position usually takes a full month, so I get it that finding a good person for a really important role such as gm and coach takes longer. But if these guys ponied up $450 million to buy the team, I would think they have been also working on a plan for team leadership for some time. I know one can only do so much with the time that is given. We’ll see, I guess.

    Anyway, if they want a bright young coach (Lacob’s words) and a GM, they can recruit one now and hire him later. It would be a little tricky, but I think it could be done if they really have the desire to make necessary changes. Lacob said he is not patient and he wants to win. We’ll see just how patient he is soon.

    I see the “logic” behind being patient and cautious, but I don’t agree with it in this case because I think that Lacob has to move boldly to avoid being linked with the dysfunctional past of this organization. President Lincoln once said of the ineffective George McClellan, “If General McClellan isn’t going to use his army, I’d like to borrow it.” Lacob should have the same sense of urgency regarding the team he is taking over.

  • The Sear

    I want Nelson gone because we need to get a good teacher to work with this young team and thats not Nelson. These young players need to be taught how to play NBA defense and winning NBA basketball and thats not what Nelson does. His gimmick coaching has been a disaster to this franchise.

    Another year of teaching bad habits is not what the Warriors need. Nelson is a has been that should have been put out to pasture years ago. His style of coaching will only hurt the players at this point.

  • The Sear

    Feltbot what are you going to do when the love of your life Nelly goes back to Maui for good(can’t happen soon enough)?

    You love to hook yourself up with a guy who has never won anything in 30 years of coaching. Feltbot your a loser just like Nelly. You two deserve
    each other.

  • The Sear

    Meir34 your as bad as Feltbot. In love with a coach who in 30 years of coaching hasn’t won jack. His gimmick coaching has been proven over and over again, that it cannot win in the NBA. So lets just stick with a coach who’s system has proven over and over again, that it can’t win anything significant.

    On top of that lets make sure that our young players have zero idea how to play defense. With fans like Feltbot and Meir, our franchise would be locked in mediocrity for eternity.

    You two have zero clue what it takes to put together a consistently winning organization. You two need to be sent away with your best buddy Bobbie Rowell.

    I am so sick of you Rowell, Nelson, Riley apologists.

  • petaluman

    Here’s a more recent article by MT on this issue: http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_15655373

    Note that Lacob & Guber are still putting together the ownership group. You can bet that’s a much higher priority to them than who coaches the team next year.

  • sartre

    I took fairly clear messages from the Lacob interviews. His preference is for Nellie to go (referring to him as essentially a lame duck coach given his final year status)and to hire a young coach to grow along with the roster. He acknowledged that hiring the right new coach and possibly GM might be difficult given the timing of the ownership change. He also indicated that they will not throw money around willy nilly by stating that the new owners would not consider going into luxury tax (though he acknowledged this was a characteristic associated with playoff teams). All this suggests they’ll keep Nellie (to not burden them with extra millions to spend after over-spending to trump Ellis’ bid) unless they’re able to find the absolutely right person within the narrow window of time before the season starts. I’m guessing Nellie is likely safe because of the constraints the new owners face, and that Riley is even safer (Lacob praised his knowledge and experience and supported the Lee move which was a gutsy call on Riley’s part).

  • A’s in 2010

    Good post, Sartre. I’ll add that after seeing any Peter Guber interview its safe to assume Bobby Rowell is completely expendable. I think it’s likely he’ll be gone first. And honestly, that move would be celebrated by all fans and Lacob being a longtime fan himself knows this.

  • sartre

    You’re right A’s In 2010 – getting rid of Rowell is an all round winning move. If dubs fans had their way he would suffer Mussolini’s fate.

  • dawan

    I believe at one time some wise people in the Warriors organization considered bringing in Rick Barry as head coach. I think that would be a good idea under the new ownership, providing Rick would be interested. I would like to see Nellie stay around as an off-the-court consultant. His contributions have certainly been made and considering his health, he should enjoy the game from a different perspective. I have nothing against Keith either taking over the reigns or staying where he is at. However, a Warrior legend at the helm under new ownership will not only provide fresh inspiration, but will also open up many more marketing and promotional avenues. Some may have concerns about contermporary coaching experience, but when a man has been around the game as long as Rick, I don’t see that as a problem.

  • Brytex

    Son of A @102:

    ” I think that Lacob has to move boldly to avoid being linked with the dysfunctional past of this organization”

    Why in the world would he care one bit if anyone links hime to the past? Lacob isn’t trying to win any popularity contests here. If he keeps Nelson another year it’s gonna be cuz it’s the right decision. You think fans are gonna boycott because now Lacob is “linked” to Cohan somehow? Fine. Those folks can stay home. Oracle will be packed.

  • Derek

    TRade Monta for Chris Paul. Add Jamison and the W’s are serious players in the league

    C. Paul/Lin/Pargo PG
    S. Curry/R Williams/C. Bell SG
    A. Jamison/Lame from Miami SF
    D. Lee/A. Tolliver/B.Wright(when healthy) PF
    A. Bierdrens/Gadzucks/C. Hunter C

  • itzSteve

    I think it’s time for Keith Smart to take over the team. Nellie has been grooming him for quite awhile now. He can obviously handle a younger roster, as proven by his work with the kids in the summer league. Nellie has already put him in charge of the defense in past years. The next hire is Rick Berry as an assistant, so he can teach AB how to shoot free throws!!!

  • Son of Ahmed

    Brytex,

    Because you referenced Veruca Salt in your last response to me over at Adam’s blog, I’m gonna cut you some slack. (Great villainous character from a great movie.)

    Anyway, the past is not just some metaphor. The dysfunction of the past 16 years is linked to people–the people who are running the show right now. You pushing for the status quo? Really?

    But it’s not just about the past. It’s about defense, rotations, small ball, and all the other things already mentioned in this thread that have held our boys back.

  • Brytex

    SOA,

    Your mercy is always appreciated.

    “The dysfunction of the past 16 years is linked to people–the people who are running the show right now.”

    Agreed on that. I don’t agree on this:

    “Lacob has to move boldly to avoid being linked with the dysfunctional past of this organization”

    He needs to move boldly, yes. But not simply to dissasociate himself from past management. I don’t think he even cares about that at all. He needs to move boldly in order to PUT TOGETHER THE BEST TEAM POSSIBLE.
    And that could include keeping Nellie. Which would make a lot of folks unhappy. So what! I’m glad our new owner isn’t trying to be Mr. Popular.

    No matter what decisions he makes, the only way Lacob can truely distance himself from the past is by getting to the playoffs. And the Warriors just might do it again this year…with Nellie as the coach.

  • Deftoned40oz

    i think we should do whatever Warrior Dragon says we should…

  • Steve

    In a slight change of topic, check out this video of the “fastest” guard in the NBA.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC9d66Tf-OE

  • Cranky Teacher

    Anthony Tolliver picked the Wolves over Warriors. Weird choice.

  • A’s in 2010

    Minny offered more. W’s only have $2.225M left on the mid-level.

  • ArmChair GM

    Carmelo has refused to sign a MAX extension with Denver. He clearly wants out.
    Trade Monta for Carmelo and play D Wright or Williams at the two. D Wright played thetwo in Miami when D Wade was injured.

    Curry
    D Wright
    Carmelo
    D Lee
    Biedrins/Hunter/Gadzuric

  • Steve

    The guy you gotta trade, after reading this, is Biedrins. All this guy wants to do is retire before he hits 30 and then party for the duration. I’ve often questioned his mental and physical toughness and this interview just confirms my beliefs. Does the name Joe Barely Cares (Joe Barry Carroll) ring a bell? Biedrins might as well be his twin brother.

    http://www.warriorsworld.net/andris-biedrins-speaks-out/#more-1807

  • Fadein2Bolivian

    Agreed. Sounds like he couldn’t care less that he’ll be playing with 2 new starters plus Curry.

    Nellie was right all along for wanting to trade him. Too bad it didn’t happen.

    If he had said all of that 3 months ago, it still would have been wrong, but it would be understandable. Saying it now is unforgivable. Ship his ass out.

  • A’s in 2010

    I have ZERO confidence in Biedrins and I never understood the teams stance with him. I said before the summer he’s isn’t any more dependable right now than a 20 yr old Randolph or a fragile BWright. We have no bench now and our season basically comes down to whether Biedrins can get back to being a double-double guy with 60% fts. Why would you put all your chips in with that hand?

  • robert rowell

    on this thread: one guy (#111) who thinks the W’s can trade monta straight up for cp3, another (#118) who thinks they can get melo for monta.

    smoke crack much?

    the new owners must fire the entire staff and FO. you don’t sink to this depth of bball oblivion because you’re “just missing a piece or two.” your whole organization sucks. whether lacob has the smarts or balls to do so is something else. but i’ll be damned if i pay dollar one for tix for another year of ~30 wins.

    at least we won’t be LAST: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=SummerForecast10-WestStandings

  • jsl

    MT: Time for a new thread — and here’s a timely idea.

    We’re in the August doldrums now, sure, but there’s been increasing scuttlebutt about Lacob and his team being pretty cash poor. It’s mostly rumors, of course, but we’re hearing some pretty strange stuff. To wit:

    1. Lacob actually thinking about letting Nelson coach the last year — because he can’t afford to eat the $6MM K and hire someone new. (Very scary thought!)

    2. Lacob saying on the Papa interview that he won’t pay lux tax (tho admitting virtually al winners do).

    3. No news re Lacob actually selling his Celts piece.

    4. No news re the speed — or lack thereof — of the W’s sale.

    5. Increasing rumors that Lacob-Guber are NOT getting takers in their quest for investors.

    6. Rumors that people are laughing at Lacob-Guber for heavily over-paying for the W’s.

    7. Rumors that the W’s sale is very highly leveraged — and COULD fall apart at the seams if investors don’t fall into place.

    Now, concededly, the last three are simply board musings — thus far. But the fact that they’re being raised at all suggests there might be fire where there’s smoke.

    Today’s piece on David Lee — while a nice puff about a good guy — is really nothing that new (except, maybe, the rich kid part). A fun read, but little of real substance.

    This team now is inordinately “thin” at every position — especially the three and the five. While Lin is a fun concept, Pargo’s just an old has been/never was — and there’s nothing new on the horizon to replace the three pieces we lost in the Lee deal. Assistant coaches seem to leave every week — and only Smart (Mini-Nelson) and Silas (no place to go) are left right now, even tho we have a coach who tuned out three years ago, at least. We’re in a shambles — even with Curry and Lee (and Monta and Goose — and lotsa funny talk from Goose, tho it seems directed pretty much at Nelson). You can’t play this game with 2-3-4 guys.

    How ’bout a Lacob interview — and maybe asking some tough Qs about the issues raised above. Mainly, do these guys really bring the goods? Or are we consigned to more — if slicker — Cohan-style crap. Time for some substance; enough with the hype.

    Certainly a blog piece, if not an actual story. How ’bout it Marcus?

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  • Jeremy

    I don’t believe for a second the owners have money issues that will affect their ability to make personnel moves. They just approved the David Lee deal. Those “rumors” are Kawakami speculations is all.

    I think Nelson stays because there are no more no brainers to replace him once Byron Scott and Avery Johnson were snatched up. I can see him fired midseason though if the team doesn’t perform and promote Smart to interim.

    I’ve been saying all off season Beidrins needs to be moved. He can’t stay healthy, he can’t hit a shot outside 5 feet, can’t hit a free throw, can’t create a shot for himself, and has a gigantic contract. It was a horrid mistake by Riley not forcing the Knicks to take Beidrins instead of Turiaf and Azubuike if they were getting Randolph. Now the Warriors have no assets to pair with Andris to entice a team to take him, outside of Curry anyways.

    Why are the Warriors not signing Chris Hunter? Why is no one signing Chris Hunter?

  • jsl

    Jeremy: Total faith in the new owners’ deep pockets? Yet no evidence to support the belief? And no attempt to counter the opposite signals (e.g. Lacob says “no” on going over the lux tax — when ALL winners do; reports that investors are laughing at Lacob for overpaying, etc.)? Well, from your lips to God’s ear.

    And, no options to Nelson? Really? Well, how’s about Shaw, Romar, Elie for starters. Maybe Izzo or Spoelstra (if Riley wants to coach the Heat). How about almost any Big East coach? There’re a ton of candidates not named Scott or Johnson. Really. No need to waste another year on the Fat Man.

    And trade Goose? Now? For what? He’s got no value until he proves himself again; plus, he’s our only five besides Gadz. Our best hope is he gets back to the form he showed two years ago — before Nelson just destroyed him. And if we get rid of Nelson now, that’s the most likely result — plus the fact that Monta’ll play better and Lee won’t be slotted back into the five because of SNSB.

    As for Hunter, you answered your own Q: the W’s aren’t re-signing Hunter for the same reason that no one else is. He’s just not that good. But, when fives start going down like last year, he’ll find a team as a backup again.

  • Jeremy

    Why would Lacob say immediately he plans on going into the luxury tax? What reports are these of investors laughing at how much they paid for the Warriors… I’ve seen none. If they hang onto the team from 10+ years, they make boatloads of money no question.

    Lorenzo Romar? Big East coaches? Izzo? Please name me the last successful college to pros coach. Larry Brown maybe? It doesn’t work. Spoelstra is leaving Miami to come here? You don’t even believe that. Maybe if Riley fires him, but that’s not happening before this season. Now you’re back to Mark Jackson, Mario Elie, and Brian Shaw and a week or so to interview them and make a decision. Bad idea.

    Trade Goose for anything. He should have been forced into any trade involving Randolph and the Knicks were the perfect team for him to go to. Considerable cap space, wanted Randolph very badly, needed a C, and the D’Antoni offense is perfect for him since he doesn’t have to create his own shot just run the floor. Otherwise trade him for two gatorades and 4 new towels. But most likely he will stick around showing signs of his former promise mixed with missing significant time to injury while fouling at an alarming rate.

    Hunter is not excellent, but he’s not bad either. He’s better than both Gadzuric and Beidrins right now. He can be signed for the league minimum too.

  • jsl

    Jeremy: Tone it down, guy. You’re just making no sense.

    Your problem is that you haven’t been paying much attention to what’s out there. You’ve missed all the concerns about Lacob’s financing issues. (Try Adam’s blog, perhaps.) You don’t get it that Lacob still hasn’t even sold his Celt’s piece.

    Apparently you are able to dispense with real coaching guys like Romar and Izzo without comment — or, obviously, any thought. Shaw, Elie (and even Jackson, who I don’t much like — but who’s MUCH better than the Fat Man) have surely been contacted directly or indirectly. (Note: Pritchard’s even turned down a job, surely waiting to see how things work out with Lacob.) BTW, Spoelstra’s Dad works with — and is very close to — Guber (if you know who that is). If he could keep his defensive prowess and work an uptempo game, he’d be a natural here. Guys will WANT to work with Curry. Bet on it.

    And “trade Goose for anything”? You’ve been a fan of Rowell-Riley too long. That’s THEIR practice.

    And, of course, your masterpiece thot: Hunter better than both Goose and Gadz. Must feel lonely to be the only guy in the world to think that. But, as I said before, froth without ANY supporting evidence or analysis (just try comparing their stats) is just — well — froth.

    Even the silliest among us have seen the destruction Nelson’s wrought over the past three years. Read Jenkins’ lead column in the Chron sports today if you’re still confused.

    Pay attention, guy. It’s the key.

  • Jeremy

    So no actual evidence that they are cash poor? Just rumors that they are cash poor which guys like you and Kawakami love to run with, again without any actual evidence.

    College to pros coaches don’t work. Not because they are bad coaches, but because it’s a different game in the NBA. Egos, guaranteed contracts, GMs, etc.. very different world in the NBA. It is a tried and true way to fail.

    You’ve misunderstood my point though (failure to pay attention maybe?), it’s not that I want Nelson to stay, it’s that I think it’s faulty logic to rush in and fire him immediately without the ability to take enough time to find the best candidate to replace him. Let Nelson seal his own fate with poor performance and make Smart the interim if he does. If not, then we get to see the Warriors win, his contract expires, they have plenty of time to make a decision next offseason.

    Rowell is the one who should be fired the day the sale is final. His mistakes with personnel are unforgivable… there really is no coming back from the debacles of Mullin, Baron, Jackson, and Maggette/Brand/Arenas.

    Agreed that Rowell far too often traded talent for nothing, but he also signed the Warriors into many horrific contracts which Beidrins has no joined the club. $9M a year for 4 seasons to ride the bench for foul trouble or injury, hooray. Please keep this guy around instead of trying to create cap room for the new owners, and hopefully new FO, to use to surround Curry with players who can actually stay on the floor.

    If you need statistical evidence as to why Hunter is already better than Beidrins you didnt watch the Warriors last season. Beidrins has gotten so much worse over the course of the past 3 seasons it’s almost unbelievable, and regardless he can’t stay on the floor because he’s either hurt or in foul trouble. Hunter can be signed as insurance for his inevitable injury, already knows the offense, has chemistry with Curry, and has a similar PER. And he can hit jump shots and free throws.

  • jsl

    Jeremy: If you can’t tell — after the last three years — that Nelson’s pure poison, then there’s little hope for your vision. (Try reading Jenkins yesterday about the perils of putting this team back in Nelson’s hands — regardless of the cost of dumping his fat, besotted butt.) And if you can’t see that Hunter’s worse than Goose — and maybe no one told you about (1) Goose’s groin problem last year or (2) that he absolutely can’t stand playing for the Fat Man — then there’s little hope for you at all.

    P.S. What other evidence re Lacob’s lack of deep pockets do you require? The absolute statement re no lux tax didn’t make you go “Hmmmm”? The fact that Lacob hasn’t been able to unload his Celt’s stock means nothing? The obvious point that no other identifiable investors have come on board — and you don’t really think Lacob and Guber have half a billion between them, do you — doesn’t give you pause? And all the unanswered chatter means nothing? Time to claim “ostrich” status, J.

    Oh to be such a willful Pollyanna.

  • Jeremy

    That’s the problem with Beidrins, it’s always something. It’s the groin, or rib, or the next injury. he can’t stay healthy. When he is on the floor he’s off balance on defense, fouls constantly, and provides virtually nothing on offense outside of 5 feet. Hunter is a much smarter player and while he’s less of a shotblocking threat than Beidrins he does just about everything else better. Better shooter, better passer, better on the ball defender.

    The team hasn’t even been sold yet and you’re already worried that his Celtics stock isn’t sold. I’m not going to sit and worry about their ability to sign FAs when they have no ability to sign anyone for 11 months. Plenty of time to sell his stock in the Celtics, plenty of time to find additional investors. Point is you’re freaking out about rumors they may not have money, when it is not an issue and they’ve already signed off on adding a big contract. Finding investors will not be a problem… the NBA is a money machine.

    Why would the new owners come out and say they’re going into the luxury tax? They don’t need to go into the luxury tax right now and he even said they’d approach that issue when it comes but they have no plans to right now. That to me sounds like someone who isn’t going to be signing Mike Dunleavy to a huge extension but is willing to pay the tax to keep a team together that actually wins unlike the previous ownership.

    I know it’s in the DNA of a Warrior fan to always expect the worst, but the devil Cohan is gone. Rowell and Nelson will be gone soon too. Lacob and Guber are in position to make the team a winner over the next couple years.

  • Jeremy

    -Q: So you have either/ors with your investment candidates?

    -LACOB: We have a lot of people. First of all, we have, like, one or two slots left, the way we’ve architected the investment group. And I’ve got five times the number of people that I need to fill those, that are interested, and I’ve talked to.

    So the question is, they’ve got to give me a final decision and we’ve got to make a final decision as to whether we want them to be in the group.

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010/08/17/joe-lacob-interview-part-1-on-finalizing-the-buying-group-and-on-rowell-and-a-possible-backlash-if-theres-no-instant-housecleaning/#more-8765

  • steve

    Hire Mullin back as GM if he will come back and get Mark Jackson as the head coach. A great point to teach Monte and Stephen. Done.