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Warriors May Want Carmelo Bad Enough to Not Require Extension

Good news and bad news. 

Bad news first? My vacation is over. Back on the grind. No more chilling, playing with the 3 year old all day.

Good news: Warriors won’t hold back in their pursuit of Carmelo Anthony. Not that it’s going to land the perennial all-star. But a couple insiders have told me the Warriors are willing to trade for Carmelo even if he doesn’t sign an extension.

No matter how you cut it, the odds are against the Warriors. Denver has better options, and Carmelo has more desirable destinations than Golden State. Still, the Warriors are pushing all their chips in, holding only point guard Stephen Curry back. And there is a shift in the stance.

Previously, general manager Larry Riley has been against giving up the farm for stars who won’t re-sign. So either he’s changed his stance or he’s been overruled, if sources can be believed. Joe Lacob said he wasn’t the type to sit around and do nothing.

No formal offer has been tendered, one source said, though it is understood Denver can have just about whomever they want not named Curry. But teams usually want young talent and draft picks in return. The Warriors don’t really have either one.

They can’t trade their 2011 pick because they’ve already sent 2012 to New Jersey in that Marcus Williams deal. The NBA doesn’t allow teams to trade their first-rounder two years in a row. So the next time the Warriors can trade their first-round pick is 2014, unless they trade for someone else’s first-rounder.

The attractive young talent, other than Curry, consists of Reggie Wiliams, Ekpe Udoh and Jeremy Lin. (You might be able to count Brandan Wright as young talent considering the lack of miles on him). I’m going to go out on a limb and say that is not the caliber of return the Nuggets are looking for.

That leaves the Warriors hoping a package including center Andris Biedrins and/or Monta Ellis is enough. Which it won’t be, by the time Chicago and New Jersey and others are done offering. 

Is that a risk worth taking, trading the farm, and probably taking back a bad contract, to get Carmelo without an extension? If he walks, the Warriors would have lots of cap room. But is that worth it?

It’s all just conversation because the Warriors aren’t getting Melo. (Now, Andre Iguodala might be another story …)

Marcus Thompson

  • A’s in 2010

    Blaming 55 pt game on Curry? Anyone that WATCHED that game knows Steph was on BJennings three possessions that entire game. Acie Law, Monta, and CJ were the ones guarding him that night. How can anyone bother reading the rest of your post Meir, you’re obviously a flat out hater.

  • http://Yahoo Petey B

    Tell you what… Let’s trade the house not named Lee or Curry for Carmelo for a 1 year rental and not extend him. Then the Knicks/Carmelo will be begging the W’s for a sign and trade – maybe we can get Anthony Randolph back! LOL!

    Seriously, I like Lacob if he’s thinking big like Carmelo. Give up the house to get a signed or unsigned Carmelo and get one year – A Carmelo – Curry – Lee core is something I can get excited about offensively. Defense would be another matter to be discussed later.

  • WetLunGz

    Meir,
    U make me want to vomit. I’m not sure if your a warrior pr trying ta brainwash us to think trading curry for no rings melo is a good idea or if your just an idiot. As much as I would like melo in a W uniform, I don’t think its worth giving up the runner up for roy who also just won a gold medal for usa. if we are going to trade any1 right now it shud be monta and any body not named david lee or stephen curry. Personally I like monta and would like ta see him stay a W but I also want to win a championship so, I’m willing to trade him.
    And how is it melo is the last of the big superstars? Have you ever heard of kevin durant?
    If your going to fill the site with bs atleast be credible about it.

  • WetLunGz

    Besides I don’t know if I’m willing to have all the carmelo only fans at my warriors game….I

  • WetLunGz

    And is denver really going to give up chauncy and melo for curry? I want whatever it is you r smoking cuz that shit is strong

  • dengel1925

    Marcus: Really great to have you back. I’ve desperately missed you and your great Warrior reporting/writing.

  • Warrior4Life

    As much as I like Melo’s game, and even though he is a without a doubt a Top 7 player, if I’m the Warriors I would only entertain trading for him if he assured me that he would sign a long term extension. Being that in all likelihood he wouldn’t do this then I wouldn’t do it. It makes NO sense to trade away core players of the team for a player that will only be here for 1 year anyway. I would much rather the Dubs try to trade for a second tier SF like a Danny Granger. We could give up less talent and he is young enough to be a long term fixture on the team.

  • JJ

    Melo asked for a trade, his value is lowered, so why would we pay full price by even hinting of trading Curry. It’s time for the Warriors to steal a trade instead of being the ones always shafted.

  • marvalbert’srug

    JJ @ 56: Did you forget how we fleeced Indiana for Jax and Al? Rode that one pretty high on into the playoffs.

    And as for Meir, can we look forward to a Meir rant-less future once the Melo deal doesn’t go down? Meir writes to War&Peace length on each and every blog about Curry for Melo. I’ve had all I can stand and I can’t stand it any more!

  • Daze

    Why is everyone so fond of trading ellis? I like ellis, and i really like his speed. Is it really such a good idea to trade the fastest player in the league for some size? The W’s wouldnt be leading on fast breaks w/out his speed.

  • meir34

    Great JJ. I’m with you all the way. Let’s steal Melo. He’s not on anyone’s radar and no one wants him, let’s play it cool and offer C. Bell and get him on the cheap. Ef those guys who talk about Favors and first round picks and expiring contracts being offered-and refused. Heck we can be real cool. I’m sure we’ll get him. Superstars just have no market in this league.

    BTW,he has never once said he’s asking for a trade. I challenge you to find me a DIRECT QUOTE from him. People are assuming that because he hasn’t yet signed an extension. Not unreasonably. Also people ASSUME Denver, rather than lose him for nothing has let it be known they’ll consider offers. I’m sure one on the cheap will work. If you can pull it off I’ll use my pull with Joe Lacob and guaranty you a GM job. Ye G-ds!

  • meir34

    WetLunGz. Not just Curry but he’s the core. They are reported in several places as wanting a good young player. Reportedly the #3 pick this year Favors and first round picks and expiring contracts have already been offered, and rejected. Some say Philly is thinking of offering the #2 pick, Turner and the rest. For us it would have to be Curry, a desirable young player on a rookie scale contract, BW, the 14 mill in expiring contract players we have and quite possibly Udoh if we can’t negotiate a first round pick to offer them.

    This guys is a clear superstar and the very last one that will be available in the foreseeable future. Most of the finals teams have one or more superstars.
    Billups is a huge contract for them trying to shed contracts. 13 mill just this year. 14 next and his contract ends after that. BTW this all works on trade checkers. It comes to within 25% of the combined salaries of Melo (17+ mill this year) and Billups’ 13 mill.

    Get it?

  • meir34

    re superstars. I should have qualified those likely to become available in the foreseeable future. The point guards Deron Williams and CPIII will be free agents. NO one can match what Utah can offer Williams and most think he’s not going to be available. CPIII is a bit of an open question, though NOK traded away his great young back up, Collison. Which sounds like they think they’ll be able to retain him. NYK is committed to going for CPIII and once he said something that sounded like he wants to go there. That was a bit ago. Meanwhile if we don’t get Melo and do keep Curry we won’t be in the market for a high priced superstar pg. So for us with Durant signing the extension this summer, Bosh and LBJ in Miami, Boozer in Chicago. Wade back in Miami. Howard firmly in Orlando. It’s Melo or no superstar for us.

    As we stand, with Curry ESPN picks us to finish second to last in the Conference. Lindy’s just out on the stands has us the same. I think that’s pessimistic but even the most optimistic forecast would have us in a large pack of teams vying for the last spots on the playoffs. If that’s good enough for you then let’s keep our young Curry and play ball. It’s not for me!!

  • meir34

    WetLunetc. I guess I must be an idiot. As for being credible, I try. You must have just overlooked the fact that Durant signed a long term contract with OKC this summer. Back to ya!!

  • meir34

    49 Hook. I agree and have since that draft. Williams, at least for his team (and would be for mine too) is the numero uno pg. Most would say CPIII and they have their points. He dribbles around too much for my taste, or rather for my fantasy ultimate pg. Not unlike World B Free did for us a while ago and AI, again not to make the comparisons to strict.

    Yes, losing Curry would be a blow to the heart of a lot of fans. Losing Ellis would be to mine too. But I’m a Warrior fan more than an individual player groupie and there is no doubt in my mind at all that if Monta stays healthy, a team of Billups, Ellis, Melo, Lee and AB would be much better than what we now have or will get even if we are able to somehow get Iggy without breaking up Monta, Curry or Lee.

    And that’s my bottom line.

    Someone suggested Monta. For some reason Curry Uber Fans have for a year proposed Monta trades. To me Monta’s drawing the double teams and his drives have set Curry up hugely. Without that Curry gets a lot more defensive attention and he hasn’t done well when pressed. Maybe he’ll grow into doing great at that. Maybe not as with most uncertainties.

    But forget Monta to Denver. For the same reason they would trade Billups (see sam a.’s piece in Fan House), i.e. desperate to clear cap room to rebuild if Melo’s gone, and Billups is not only costly but old, at 34 this year alone, they won’t take Monta or Iggy or Smith or anyone with a big long term contract. Sam A and quite a few others have made this point. Though it is obvious to me, it now is part of the conventional wisdom on what Denver will want: a good young rookie scale player, expiring contracts and first round draft picks.

  • lavalovers

    can we turn meir off, I skip every one of his comments. I have for years, This blog is’nt about you. jeesh

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  • WetLunGz

    I agree with lavalovers above comment. Either he works in the professional basketball industry or has no life and does way to much research just to post all this crap in a forum. Either way glad your back marcus.

  • WetLunGz

    Seriously though when you’ve writtenmore than ten time the orignal post, it gets to be obnoxious

  • duane

    carmelo is a ball hog. We dont want a hot dog like him who thinks he is jack shit. No thanks I want a team not a hot shot hot dog rappin piece of crappin.

    We could use a very smart team player. I like our roster though. GO WARRIORS we’ll finish 5 or more games above 500 this year.

  • http://yahoo duane

    no hot dogs please. no show boats please. lets trade Monta for Gasol’s brother and then we’ll be ready for the playoffs!!!

  • joe cote

    The Knicks also can’t do any better than 2014 for their 1st round pick:

    “The Knicks cannot trade their 2011 draft pick because they traded their 2010 pick, which landed Utah Gordon Hayward this past June. The Knicks 2012 draft pick goes to Houston, meaning the Knicks cannot trade their 2013 pick either. Making the 2014 first round pick the only pick they have to trade…”

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=17393#ixzz10MgUFZro

  • WetLunGz

    At this point id rather stick with the team we have this year and hopefully pick up our missing piece in next yrs draft or offseason. The problem with tradn curry or monta for melo is we are trading a star for a star, where id rather keep our stars and then add one more then do a swap, although with biedrins contract that cud b hard…we shall see…

  • Gswfan24

    Don’t yourself, If the Warriors couldn’t get Amare to sign an extension, what makes anyone think Melo would?? The Warriors may even be a better team by getting Iggy for expiring contracts at the trade deadline…You thought Baron was a Primadonna? Melo in Gsw would be interesting

  • dengel1925

    Excuse my ignorance, but who the hell is CPIII? Or is that a character from Star Wars?

  • Leftshot

    Let’s be clear, Carmelo’s in the driver’s seat. If he is traded anywhere with a sign and trade, he’s making it clear he’s going to try the waters of free agency. Every indication is that he’s had his head turned by what LeBron, Wade and Bosh pulled off.

    The last thing the Warriors need is a one year rent a player. The fact that he’s an All Star only makes it worse if he walks.

  • Leftshot

    That was supposed to be “without a sign and trade”.

  • robert rowell

    #73 you mean missing 4 pieces, i believe.

  • Rembrant

    The Warriors are in no position to even trade ONE important asset….a starter or Udoh for the mere DELUSION that Melo,basically just a scorer,is enough of a savior to make GSW an instant contender. It’s a lock he’s just GONE next summer and likely would be wanting out before then.

    Ellis got 25 ppg….Melo got 28. Ellis however also was #2 in the NBA,is perhaps the best #2 PG around,had 5+ asst and is underrated on D. MORE important….Ellis is younger and SIGNED and content to wear a GSW jersey.

    The Groupie mindset GSW seems to have about whatever player is seen as a “famous celebrity” is a concern,and Riley takes that over the edge.

    When GSW traded Murphy for guys to be dumped later…many said “good ridance…he’s a weak link on D and a big salary. Now…his Clone (minus the 3 pt range) is the new “celebrity star” from “somewhere else”. Like…that’s gonna last for long.

    Jackson,Crawford,Maggette were shoot a lot-score a lot….and bashed as NOT “all round”. Monta gets bashed as “volume shooter”…..as was J Rich…..Jamison…etc. WHAT DOES GSW WANT??????

    Shooters/Scorers? Morrow was a VERY special “pure Shooter”,Maggette ranked #7 in the NBA in points per minute with a 51% FG, Azubuike scored a lot per $ of salary and Tolliver was more productive than many of last years #1 picked rookies. Don’t get me started on Randolph. GSW discarded shooter/scorer types like there was an endless supply,something this year will show is not the case. To OVERPAY to RENT a shooter /Scorer when the extreme instability,the blown away chemistry,the wholesale change in whatever the core strategy/tactics are,limits what’s POSSIBLE…is sheer lunacy.

    Not that that’s gonna stop the Warriors from some token bullcrap scheme. Mass marketing and a clever facade is all these guys are looking at. There WAS a plan to at least TRY to build a CONTENDER patiently.

    That’s gone and lost.

  • Rembrant

    Hook Mitchell is right that the GROWTH and progress you can get from Curry + A Randolph >> the quick fix of high high $ guys like Lee and rent-a-Melo.

    Once you lock in a high % of budget to a pair of F’s who are below par on D, you have to somehow make the rest of the team VERY cost effective and able to cover up on D.

    They likely result is you settle for role types who can’t score and a thin bench and when all is said and done,MAYBE you have 4-5 years a bit above average.

    Is that enough?

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