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Warriors Aren’t Just Giving Away Biedrins

Was able to confirm reports by the Houston Chronicle that the Rockets are indeed interested in acquiring Warriors center Andris Biedrins. Houston, with Yao Ming and Chuck Hayes as their expected center options next season, are in need of a big man since Yao’s ability to play again is still suspect and Chuck Hayes, while valiant and completely useful, is probably not a starting center on a playoff team.

For Warriors fans, who have been hoping for Biedrins’ departure for some time, that means the Warriors just may be able to move Biedrins. That was once thought to be impossible considering the drastic decline in his production and the three years, $27 million he has left on his contract.  But apparently, Houston is a taker.

So why is Biedrins still a Warrior you ask? While this may seem the perfect answer to the Warriors’ ills, Golden State, according to multiple sources, are not at all enamored with the Rockets’ offer thus far.

I’ve been told the Rockets have offered Hasheem Thabeet and Jordan Hill. Haven’t confirmed if they were offered as a package, but the figures add up. Thabeet, a former No. 2 overall pick, is widely regarded as someone who simply not good enough to play in the NBA and probably won’t be. There is still some hope for Jordan Hill, but he’s got a Post-It note on his back that says “stiff.”

Bottom line for the Warriors: that’s not enough.

On one hand, you would think they would trade Biedrins for a pair of retro Jordans and a bootleg DVD – just to get rid of the salary. On the other hand, there is a level of shrewd trading going on here. (I was completely with the former, but after talking with a few people, I see the logic in the latter. Not sure I would adhere to it, but I see it.) Here are both sides, as I understand them.

WHY TRADE HIM?

* Both Thabeet and Jordan Hill are up after next season. That means the Warriors would be shaving $18 million off future cap. Big-baller Lacob could even try to buy out those two, maybe save a couple million for this coming season.

* The Warriors would be getting rid of a burden, as the task of getting Biedrins back to himself impacts other players. Certainly, David Lee is better without a struggling Biedrins next to him. The Warriors offense is better without a player afraid to get fouled and who needs to get a few shots to feel involved. And my money says part of the reasons Ellis may wants to go is he’s tired of playing with guys not getting it done, such as Biedrins.

* The Warriors would free up time for Ekpe Udoh. No Biedrins means no excuse as to why he isn’t playing more minutes. Udoh needs minutes. He’s got some development to do and he’s only going to get it by playing. Smart protected Udoh most of last season, going with Biedrins even when it was clear Udoh should be playing.

* Fans have grown tired of Biedrins’ struggles. It would certainly help PR wise if they got rid of him.

*They need to go get a real center. Moving Biedrins now forces them to be aggressive and decisive. Nothing would add to the desperation like looking on the roster and seeing Hasheem Thabeet as your No. 2 center. Maybe that’s what the Warriors need to get it done. Maybe the hope that Biedrins will somehow get back to where he was would make them a little gun shy. Might lead to overspending, but that was probably going to happen anyway. Easier to do without his $27 million on the books.

 

WHY KEEP HIM?

*Because, even at his worst, he’s better than Thabeet. And probably Jordan Hill, too. If he gets marginally better, he’s definitely better than those guys

*You can probably get more later.  Instead of selling while his stock is at an all-time low, you might as well wait it out and see if you can get a role player or even a draft pick. The guy was a starting NBA center. You just don’t give those up for nothing. If he goes to Houston and turns it around, you look awful for giving up a serviceable big man for two stiffs.

* Give the current plan (work out in the Bay) and the new staff a chance. Biedrins was at his best when he played with good facilitators (Baron, Jax). Last season, Keith Smart ran through the offense through Monta, which left everybody, for the most part, having to get their own. Biedrins is not that kind of player. He needs someone to remember him, to set him up, to make sure he eats. Maybe Mark Jackson puts that onus on Stephen Curry this year. The hard-to-swallow truth is centers are too hard to find. Biedrins, if he’s playing his game, is a solid NBA center. Until you get one better, it might be smarter just to maximize what you can get from him. Clearly, the Rockets are willing to.

* If they move Biedrins for Thabeet and/or Hill, that moves Ekpe into the role of starting center. Is that wise? Maybe they should be getting him to his natural position, PF. But if Thabeet and Hill are really not ready, that leaves Udoh, David Lee and now Jeremy Tyler as the centers on the team. If I’m Mark Jackson, I wouldn’t be too happy about that.

Marcus Thompson

  • Mike Aucksbigg

    No, what we want from Biedrins is the Biedrins we signed to that gigundous contract; no more, no less. I’m not the least bit sure what happened to him (we could all speculate), but his performance these last two seasons are mostly due to his mental state.

    With all due respect, Mr. Biedrins, but pull your head out of your ass. Snap the F out of it, find your sack, sew it back on and go be yourself. You’re a man in a man’s game. Getting outplayed is one thing, but defeating yourself is totally inexusable.

    With a healthy and properly-motivated Biedrins (all other things equal), this team wins 42 games.

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  • El Chupacabra

    Meir24

    Way to ruin this thread with your same Monta nonsense from 7 months ago..

    Your Monta arguments are tired, pointless have been debated to nauseating levels. You just sound like an obnoxious, sophomoric blowhard at this point.

    No one cares anymore.. IF Monta is eventually traded — be a man, grow up, grow a pair, and GET OVER IT.

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  • G.O.

    Typical Meir34;
    Dominating the thread.
    3 posts in a row.
    Scroll time

  • ab

    beans is too nice, we need a beast in the middle! like a bynum, or something like the old piston bad boys, smash mouth, do not come in my house ! or you will be seeing your dentist tomorrow type, big hairy caveman, with stinky armpits. thats what i want 4 xmas go warriors!!!!

  • Jim

    “Beidrins, if he’s playing his game, is a solid NBA center.” That’s a laugh! What game are you referring to? On defense, he ambles down the court, sets up, loses his man, then finds him in time to commit a foul during the dunk. The Warriors made a huge mistake letting him start and play 24 minutes a game. His ineptitude was a cancer that affected everyone else.

  • Bill

    bring back Ericka Dampier…

    no, seriously, trade Biedrins…nice guys finish last and he’s too busy counting his euros…..and sometimes guys there is such a thing as addition by subtraction

  • dgreen

    Hey I tell you what Monta needs to stay. I would rather trade Curry over Monta. Curry is a terrible defensive player. Monta has had to guard guys much bigger, trade Curry and Move Monta to be a Scoring Point Guard since we are going to play the up tempo style. Monmta can push ball alot better. But I also would rather keep them both. But Beidrins has to go NOW!

  • Red Wood

    Lots of short term memory issues?

    Biedrins has been a double/double guy and a quality D guy. he played hurt a year. He played a year getting short minutes for a coach who could not figure out the big man game…who had weak D PF’s,Lee + Vlad playing in a system where basic defensive principles got set aside.

    Biedrins and Udoh…pretty much had to try to D everyone with out much help. Neither was “in the loop” on offense…though man for man GSW DOES have passers. Passing to the centers was not the agenda…they were pick and screen guys…mere obstacles.

    A TEST for the new coach is the vital task of getting Biedrins and Udoh to where they ought to be.

    Look it up kids….Beans DID at 23 have a year with 11+ points,11+ rebounds, A decent FT% and one of the NBA’s top FG%. Those benchmarks are similar to J Noah’s season. They top guys like M.Gasol,D Jordan,K Perkins,Dalembert,Varajeo. Would it be “good enough” to get Noah for FREE? I think so and I assume a WELL COACHED (at last) Biedrins can be just that.

    Trading Ellis should be something you avoid.
    The point was made that Ellis IS very athletic and can D very well. Curry…at best is average D. Either CAN get 8-10 asst playing point. Curry…better perimeter shot, Monta,harder to defend against overall..a threat anywhere.

    Mostly, GSW needs to let Jackson coach the main parts of the team….and find out what is THERE when not in the context of the offbeat Nellie+ Smart tactics.

    GSW can’t afford to sacrifice value again,just because it’s the lazy way out. They parlayed that “plan” into a few decades of failure as is.

  • Ultimate Warrior

    It wasn’t that long ago, that Beidrins was regarded as one of the better young centers coming up. All it took was a couple of years of Nellie’s fickleness and mind games to devestate his confidence like so many other young players in his past. Unlike good coaches that would change their tact to motivate different players, Nellie’s my way or the highway approach leave me wondering what would have been with the likes of Patrick O’bryant, Kosta Perovic, Chris Taft etc. Beidrins’s game never changed but Nellie’s inevitable shift to his guard focused small ball offense has beeen in retrospect a gift and a curse to the Warriors and the success of the franchise.

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    I would take a first rounder from Houston to accept that trade.