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Warriors Error Isn’t In Leaving, But Lacking Compassion for Die-Hard Oakland Fans

My wife is always on me about this. When I know I’m right, I’m so concerned about expressing my rightness that I forget a critical element — how I say it.

After a day of digesting the Warriors’ pending move to San Francisco, after listening to Oaklanders and East Bay die-hards lament their team’s departure, after witnessing the Warriors and supporters of the new arena justify the decision to leave while dismissing the ensuing outrage, I couldn’t help but think of my wife’s reminder.

It’s how you said it.

That’s where the Warriors went wrong. But before I offer my explanation of the negative reaction to the Warriors’ announcement Tuesday, I need to get a few qualifiers out of the way:

1. Joe Lacob and Peter Guber committed $450 million to buy the Warriors’ franchise. They’re committing to at least $500 million for a new arena. They can build wherever they want. It’s a right for which they’ve paid.

2. It’s just basketball. I know, jobs are being lost and a blow to the economy is expected. But I can’t be mad that working class people in San Francisco will get jobs. And I believe, even after the Warriors leave, Oakland will still exist and maybe thrive, albeit in a new way. Basketball teams are made by cities, not the other way around. The NBA may have had a special place in Oakland, but it doesn’t define Oakland, and there is plenty of more important work to be done than keeping a sports team.

3. It’s a smart move. It was an inevitable move. And seeing the vision for the arena, perched on waterfront with a backdrop that would make Ansel Adams switch to color, even Oaklanders understand the move.

With that said, this thing could have been executed much better. The proper respect wasn’t paid to a segment of the fan base that kept the franchise relevant and viable despite itself.

The Warriors displayed Mitt Romney-esque sensitivity as they choreographed their departure, and it began the day Lacob and Guber bought the franchise. Blinded by millionaire dreams, it seems they didn’t spend much time pondering the proper tip o’ the cap to the thousandaires they’re hurting.

It should come as no surprise that a big business doesn’t get it. And the Warriors clearly didn’t. That was painfully obvious to lovers of Oakland as they used business logic to explain an emotional matter.

To the die-hards who fill out Club 200, who are most responsible for the Warriors’ impressive attendance, it’s patronizing to hear you suggest it’s not that much further. To the bus driver who spends a day’s salary taking his two kids to the game. it’s insulting when your rebuttal is that 50 percent of your season-ticket holders are from San Francisco.

I’m not saying they should stay. My contention is not that they sacrifice their vision and plans for the sake of others’ nostalgia. However, there was a way to say goodbye, and it isn’t “We had a great time with you, but this new girl who wants me is smoking hot.”

If I may, I’ll explain what I mean using this word I examined during Bible study: meekness. Simply, without preaching and getting all into Greek definitions, meekness is strength brought under control for the benefit of others. It’s being in the right but making sure not to use it to make others feel bad. It’s having power, but being concerned enough about those beneath you to alter your behavior for their sake. It’s being cognizant of how your superiority, your upper hand, your favor impacts those not in such a position.

The Warriors could’ve used a little meekness.

I believe they knew when they bought the team San Francisco was the destination. At the very least, they knew that was the most likely scenario. Understanding that, knowing the Warriors’ days on this side of the water were numbered, why not have your ritzy press conferences in the East Bay as a way of thanking those communities?

Why not just lay it all out on the table from the beginning, when they bought this team, instead of the “we’re looking into all options” baloney. Say you just spent $450 million and you need this franchise to be worth $800 million some day, and doing that means moving across the water and pricing out many hard-core fans. Say, if it was true, Oakland has a shot of keeping the Warriors, but it’s going to take a lightweight miracle.

Oakland can handle the truth and would’ve respected real talk. This city has digested its fair share of tragedy and heartache. This city is used to losing out to the sparkling metropolis across the pond. It’s how Oakland gets its character, its resolve, its loyalty. The Warriors could’ve been straight up from the beginning and likely would’ve gotten a collective dap from the city.

But the boos, the feeling disrespected, is a product of the Warriors’ acting. Acting as if Oakland had a shot of keeping the team. Acting as if the history and memories meant as much to the new owners as they do to the fans who’ve proudly endured ridicule for wearing your colors. Acting as if calling them the best fans in the world means you understand them, you’re with them.

A little meekness, and this all would’ve played out differently. Would there have been angry fans anyway? Of course. It’s an emotional, heart-rending experience to have your favorite team bounce. Just ask Seattle natives like Jamal Crawford who are still smarting about their Sonics’ discontinuance. But some of the blow could have been mitigated with more compassion.

Some of the disdain is because Golden State’s methods thumped Oakland’s funny bone. This city is hypersensitive about being deemed inferior, especially to San Francisco, and the Warriors all but shouted that from the rooftops on Tuesday.

No doubt, a new arena in Oakland would make for an awesome setting. It wouldn’t be Staples, instead more like what Oklahoma City, Utah, Indiana and San Antonio boast. Still, it would’ve rivaled any fan base in the country with its fancy new digs but grassroots, small-market passion.

Of course, that takes a certain kind of ownership, one passionate about the area and comfortable with sufficiency and sustainability. But people know Lacob and Guber are not East Bay guys. They knew the lure of the grandiose across the water would overpower the niche the Warriors’ had in Oakland. And that is OK.

But in their pursuit of the extravagant, they missed an opportunity to appreciate the simple and pure, to give much-earned props.

An example came at the announcement. Mayor Ed Lee, Joe Lacob, Peter Guber – they all failed to pay respects to Al Attles and Nate Thurmond. You don’t get more Oakland than those guys. It took David Stern and Jerry West to give proper due. (Wouldn’t have hurt to have a few longtime season-ticket holders from Oakland there, pay homage to the jilted segment of the fan base through them.)

I don’t even live an Oakland anymore. But I worship at the Church of Christ on 34th and San Pablo Avenue, where people have been known to ask me about Stephen Curry’s ankle in between songs. I can’t walk into DreamCutz barbershop on Dutton Avenue and not hear a few Warriors fans defending their loyalty to the inevitable Lakers fan in the debate. I’ve seen the abounding joy on the faces of East Oakland Youth Development Center students who, despite it being a school night, got to take a field trip to a Warriors game.

Again, there is nothing wrong with Lacob and Guber moving the franchise to San Francisco. Even if it means jobs lost, a treasured staple in the city hijacked, another defeat to the favored sibling.  They have every right to place their potentially breath-taking arena in whichever greener pastures they desire.

The problem was in the how.

 

Marcus Thompson

  • http://feltbot.com/ feltbot

    Dead on and beautifully put, Marcus.

  • riskless

    That would be the best course of action but would limit the negotiation edge for the Warriors. There is never a good way to leave someone or place.

  • sleepy freud

    Its just across the bridge. The team is still in the Bay Area. Marcus it sounds like yopur having a personal issue. Good luck with that!

  • Triple Dizzle

    Some real truth MT2, great write up.

  • Mug-Z

    I thought it would have been a nice gesture to Oakland if Lacob & Guber said that the team would continue its outreach programs there, even after the move, and that the Warriors always plan to be part of the Oakland community. It would have set the right tone and would make it look like they weren’t wiping their hands clean of the East Bay.

    Let me add this: these guys are not from around here. Both are from Southern California. Their opulent, over-the-top press conference could not have struck a more discordant tone with most Warriors fans. I actually cringed when I saw what a spectacle it was, with Ahmad Rashad.and Newsom, among other B-level celebs who had no business being there.

    It would have been smart to let Al Attles speak because he would have said something genuine and graceful, like he always does, and it would have made all the Oakland fans feel better. But both of these blowhards (Lacob & Guber) decided to hog the limelight for themselves. I can’t get out of my head that when Lacob went on his media tour after the Mullin ceremony disaster, he kept insisting that he needed to speak that night because he’s the “face of the team.” That’s his problem: he BELIEVES that he is the face of the team but it’s only in his own warped mind. The players are what the Warriors are all about: Nate, Wilt, the Destroyer, Mully, Barry, Timmy and the Killer Crossover, and today’s stars like Steph and Klay. I think it’s clear that Lacob bought this team to become a celebrity. He wasn’t very well known in the VC industry (which is why everybody needed to Google him when he bought the team) and I think he believes that this is his moment in the sun and he’s going to play it to the hilt. Fans around here smell a fraud, and they don’t like this guy. I don’t think moving to SF will change that. He just doesn’t fit. He’s a SoCal cheeseball, and so is his partner, who best known for producing such cinematic masterpieces as “Tango & Cash.”
    It will be funny when this Pier 30-32 deal blows up in their face and they’re forced to grovel back to the Giants who will not be benevolent in the deal they cut with the new BlunderTwins.

  • chris

    Calm down Marcus. They had decades of losing basketball in Oakland. Time to move on. Whether they acknowledged the Oakland faithful in a proper is irrelevant. They’re trying to make this team relevant.

  • leonps

    In the 80′s, Oakland was the hot place. They need someone to buy the A’s and restore the A’s tradition of winning. The media, except for Glen Dickey, can’t favor the A’s move to San Jose and then bash Lacob for wanting to move to San Francisco.

  • Teresa Conti

    What is really shows is that the fan has become almost irrelevant to professional sports. The new stadium will be smaller than the old, and once boxes are added to be paid for the companies that no longer exist, less fans will be able to attend than do now. Great. If money was the problem, they could simply raise ticket prices. Obviously, other things are going on here.

  • TnSD11

    Marcus, you just can’t win with these commenters, can you? Yesterday, you didn’t care about Oakland, now you care too much.

    All I want to say is this post is dead-on accurate, and I appreciate your insight.

  • dereksmithfan

    Amen. I know the ownership, and I can’t begrudge them the choice they made. But I am disappointed that they never attempted to understand what Oakland has to offer. I tried to tell one of the owners that the first pro team to really CLAIM Oakland would be guaranteed a loyal fanbase forever.

    The bottom line is Oakland has an urban identity and vitality that no longer exists in places like New York or San Francisco, where vibrant, diverse communities that create true culture and art have simply been priced out. If the Warriors (or A’s) had been a little more Oaklandish, they could have seen what they really had, worked with it, and been ahead of the curve in terms of marketing and merchandizing – which always comes from the urban core. But of course that’s not how this story was meant to unfold.

    That said, Oakland is on the verge of coming into its own — with or without any pro teams. Even though it doesn’t yet have the worldwide recognition, it can compete head to head with the “gourmet ghetto” in Berkeley, and yes San Francsico too in terms of best cutting edge restaurants. Its political activism and work in social justice is leading the country. Even though I went to Berkeley and get nostalgic for what I think the free speech movement must have been like, the bottom line is Berkeley is all about theory, whereas Oakland it putting theory into practice…bringing it to the streets.

    Oakland is real, and great things are on the horizon. It’s time all of its sports fans to stop feeling abandoned, or like second class citizens. If the Warriors and A’s want to leave, let them go. It’s time for everyone who lives and loves Oakland to claim the city, celebrate what it is, and realize the potential that a couple of outsiders were never going to see.

    It is their loss.

  • Dylan

    I think that a good portion of the fans in the East Bay will love the new stadium when the ribbon is cut. Once the initial disappointment passes, the romance of an arena overlooking the bay will be tough for even the most bitter fans to resist. With ATT Park a few blocks away, that area of SF could become well known on a national level, and it’s not far-fetched to say that some players will be drawn to that type of environment.

    I agree completely that respect and appreciation should be shown towards the Oakland fan base, but maybe that type of reflection will happen when the move actually takes place.

    I just hope that the long-time W’s fans (myself included) can afford tickets when the move happens.

  • Young

    Good post thnx. Key point is that these guys are lousy executives (which I agree). Lacob anyway. I’m sure Guber is better, he has all the cash anywayz…

  • Steve

    “To the bus driver who spends a day’s salary taking his two kids to the game. it’s insulting when your rebuttal is that 50 percent of your season-ticket holders are from San Francisco.”

    Marcus, I enjoy your writing but please refrain from misquoting. Joe Lacob didn’t say “San Francisco”, he said “West Bay”.

    And speaking of geography, I was born and raised in the East Bay and some 60 years later still reside east of the Bay. Maybe I’m just a weird kinda guy but I’ve never been able to understand the captivation with “city limits”. I mean, Oakland vs Emeryville? Albany vs Berkeley? Richmond vs Hayward? SF vs Petaluma? Other than getting the postal dude to deliver your mail properly, what is the big deal here?

    I get the state “rivalry” thing. NY or Texas vs California, I understand all that. When people talk different than you it’s definite grounds for cynicism and contempt. LOL Seriously, we’re talking Bay Area sports here. And we’re not “losing” any of our beloved teams to one of the other 49 evil and sinister states.

    To even mention the Sonics in any sort of comparison is absurd. There’s a Milky Way-difference between taking a plane to OKC and riding BART to SF instead of Oakland.

    In the end this isn’t about an extremely small percentage of fans who actually live in Oakland and attend Warriors games. This is a continuation of the nitpicking and glass-half-empty analysis that’s been ongoing since Lacob et al outbid Larry Ellison for the Warriors.

    From overstating their exuberance in the form of playoff expectations, to trading the beloved Monta Ellis, to picking up a mic in an attempt to conclude Mullin halftime ceremonies, and now their plans for a new arena a few miles to the west of their current address, the new owners can’t win for losing, yet.

    The Warriors moved from Philadelphia to San Francisco in 1962 and played there for almost 10 years. For those years East Bay fans attended games and were simply convenienced by their move to Oakland in 1971. Well, guess what? They’re now “inconvenienced” by their move “back home”. Sonics fans (and maybe Kings fans shortly) should be so lucky.

    But by far the ultimate irony to this whole “Die-Hard Oakland Fans” premise is the fact that when the SAN FRANCISCO Warriors moved to Oakland they became the Golden State Warriors instead of the Oakland Warriors. Really? All this indignation for a team that never adopted it’s home address?

    Besides, the Warriors never should have been named “Golden State”. They’ve never represented the entire state but they have instead truly represented the entire Bay Area. The Bay Area Warriors is what they have been, are today, and will always be, regardless of their zip code. Get over it.

  • Jamie

    I don’t even agree with every single argument you made, but I think this might be the best piece of yours that I’ve read. The native Oaklander perspective is valuable, and the genuineness of the sentiment is moving. Nice work.

  • Myk04

    They did mention the possiblity of moving to SF as soon as they took over the team. If u believed the “exploring all options” comment you were not listening. Its one Bart stop away. Get over it! My Niners are moving further away. Im not crying. Im still a fan and dont feel slighted at all.

  • Steve

    They’re still in the bay area, Marcus. It’s nowhere near as bad as what Sonics fans dealt with or what folks in Sacramento may have in their future. No, it’s not convenient to go across that bridge, but east bay based Ws fans still can see their team play locally.

  • Harry

    They want to go back to San Francisco? Great….let them play at the Civic Auditorium and the Cow Palace.

  • http://runnin-n-gunnin.tumblr.com a-mark

    Great article. Being from San Jose where the move is mostly indifferent to me, this really puts into perspective the backlash from the East Bay that I haven’t fully understood. I do sympathize for the East Bay fans, and hope that they keep coming out to support our team, win or lose, east bay or peninsula. If a team’s truly there in your heart, you’ll be there for them.

    Keep up the good work.

  • tramaze

    the comment by steve is dead on!! lets just all be real for a minute and realize that the warriors isn’t and never was “oakland” team, it is a bay area team. Warrior come south bay, east bay, north bay and west bay!! so it really isn’t a big deal where the arena sits…. personally i think its a great idea to have it in the city! there be way more places to eat and drink within walking distance to the arena vs what oakland had. yes it will be more inconvenient for some people to get into the city to attend a game but i personally have no problem with that even though my commute from san jose will be longer….

  • Nick

    You expressed everything I’ve ever felt about the Warriors and even about Oakland. This is an amazing piece and I’m glad you wrote it. Much of this could even be said about the A’s. Thanks for writing this.

  • ArmChair GM

    Some of you guys just don’t get it. A sports team is more than about just a game. It’s more than just about X’s and O’s.

    As any school athletic program will tell you, Sports in its purest form is about character development. It is about Life skills. It is about team work. It is about perseverance and the power of the human spirit to achieve a common goal, sometimes despite overwhelming odds and hardship.

    That fact has been lost on corporate naming rights and luxury suites.

    The city of Oakland has been and continues to be disrespected and pit against the Sparkling City across the Bay.

    Despite the fact that most of the Bay Area’s NBA basketball talent actually comes from Oakland…including Bill Russell, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Brian Shaw, I can go on and on, somehow we are not a good enough city to actually have a team.

    Despite the fact that Oakland stepped up to the plate when SF couldn’t field an NBA worthy stadium to save its life in 1971 and provided the Oakland Areana…

    Despite the fact that the city of Oakland spent 100,000,000, That’s a 1 with 8 zeroes after it, to renovate the Arena in 1997…..

    Despite the fact that in 2000, that arena was good enough to have an NBA All Star Game in…

    Despite the fact that We Believe in 2007 which was the talk of the NBA happened primarily because of the grit and fervor of the Oakland/East Bay fan base…

    Despite all of this….We were never even considered good enough to have the name of our City attached to the team that we supported for 41 years.

    Like I said, Sports is about the perseverance of the human spirit, not just X’s and O’s and Luxury Boxes…

    That’s why you suburban guys don’t get it.

  • R

    Wow, this was excellent. Everyone saying the author has some personal issue about the move is missing the point – read the last paragraph again, like he says, it’s about the how, not the why.

    I hope that someone shows this to Lacob and/or Guber, and maybe they’ll realize it wouldn’t kill them to give ‘the best fans in the NBA’ a little more consideration before they head to San Francisco.

  • Bay Area Warriors

    sleepyfreud you’ve completely missed the whole point of this eloquently written article.

  • http://www.jeffwonderswhy.com Jeffwonderswhy

    Very well written. I sensed much more emotion between the words of this post than most of the pieces you post, and understandably so. What’s happening right now is undoubtedly very polarizing, but you make very fair points while still conceding that it’s a smart move for them.

    What resonated most was the very real truth that this move will, in fact, “price out” otherwise serious, long-time fans. Yes, they are moving some modest miles across the water, hardly a geographical roadblock. However, nestling in SOMA right on the water in one of the wealthiest cities in the nation (if not the wealthiest), all but assures inflated costs for everything beyond and including ticket prices. Will this stop those fans from going? Perhaps not, but it may reduce the amount of times they can attend and could jade their overall experience with the franchise.

    Without a doubt, attendance issues will not be a factor post-move. Sellouts will be common, but there will be a different core of fans, and perhaps the warriors could have taken steps (and maybe still can?) to avoid alienation of a loyal fanbase, no matter the effect they will have on their future bottom line.

  • Niners in 2012

    Face it, our owners are a-holes. Lacob and Guber didn’t get rich being nice guys. They aren’t capable of being nice, and they will never be likable.

  • mike

    about the only thing I will miss about the Oakland Arena is in and out burger after the game. I live in the east bay, have been a season ticket holder for 12 years and cannot wait til they play in SF. Riding BART is easy and it gives me another reason to get into SF. let’s face it, you can throw a rock in any direction when you are in the city and hit a very good restaurant. i won’t miss the landmine of potholes on 880, nor the horrible concessions in Oracle. I was a fan as a kid when they were in SF, followed them when they moved to Oakland and will continue when they hit the Pier.

  • Sleepy Freud

    Sleepy you live in Boston right….??Go F yourself. You don’t get it..
    only 5 people like you on gsom. Ever think how many jobs will be lost? Oh right.. You live in Boston now. Sorry excuse for a warrior fan.

  • Matt

    I grew up a Warriors fan and still am but now live in Seattle. As a boy, my father drove us from Pacifica to games until BART was put in. The move across the Bay is nothing. I now have to leave the state to see the NBA in person. I understand the East Bay angst but I agree the how could have been better, Nate Thurmond is still my favorite basketball player of all-time. Ownership should have recognized him at the outset. Be thankful the ownership was not the petulant Howard Schultz who with the help of David Stern killed the NBA in Seattle.

  • Boo lacob

    Cant wait til lacob gets booed in sf.

  • Beil

    Does it matter where they play. They’ll always be losers. And how awkward will it be when they’ll still be in Oakland for 5 more years. 5 years is still a long time. Wouldn’t it be funny if they can’t get an arena built (a definite possibliity) and have no choice but to stay.

  • Boo lacob

    I believe you meant ’til draft day.
    As long as we’re picking nits: “till” and “until” are both preferable to “’til.”

    There will be no extra point!

    Don’t worry Marcus… Sleepy second comment from top is only liked by 5 people on gsom.

  • Scotty

    “Of course. It’s an emotional, heart-rending experience to have your favorite team bounce. Just ask Seattle natives like Jamal Crawford who are still smarting about their Sonics’ discontinuance”

    If I’m a Sonic fan I’m pretty annoyed that you would even begin to compare this move with that one.

  • Simon

    “They can build wherever they want. It’s a right for which they’ve paid.”

    Wrong. They are the owners of a franchise. Their power and control over the team is limited because the Warriors are also part of the NBA. Lacob and Guber can’t decide to move them to Prague. They can’t decide to have their players wear dresses instead of jerseys. They can’t decide to go out of business.

    While moving to San Francisco is something they can decide to do—the league sees it as a smart, fair, reasonable move—it is not true that Lacob and Guber paid for the right to do—or even build—”wherever they want.”

  • Steve

    Nate Thurmond was interviewed by 95.7FM The Game after the waterfront ceremonies. Marcus, I have to say he really sounds like one disrespected dude. LOL

    http://957thegame.com/episode_download.php?contentType=36&contentId=5857782

  • nacho

    Not really sure how the owners are supposed to “show compassion” to the oak fans, when they dont understand them. The best they can do is call them the greatest fans in the world. What else could they say that wouldn’t seem disingenuous?

    Get the arena in the SF, start winning games and ATTRACT free agents! That blueprint sounds good to me. I dont think any major FAs want to grind it out in the OAK.

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  • DW

    I can’t front Marcus, this may have been your best written column. Good Job!

  • mook

    Marcus great job with this article. To steve who claims to have lived in the east bay you must live in the trivalley because any true eastbay resident knows why this is an issue. The east bay is a blue collar fan base thus the comment of “the bus driver with his two kids” we are loyal and we love are teams. We are a passionate fan base who goes to games because we are fans not because its the “it” thing to do. We go winning or losing we support our team. Most fanbases would of crumbled away with as few winning seasons as the warriors have had. San francisco is viewed as a white collar fan base. San francisco looks down on oakland as being lower classed oakland looks at san francisco as being snobbish with there wine and chesse. It may all be the bay area but it is 2 different demographics

  • Tony Hicks

    Great stuff Marcus. You laid it out well; yet some of these commenters still don’t get it. Who cares if YOU don’t understand how some fans feel rejected, or that you say their feelings are irrelevant (that’s the silliest thing I’ve ever heard said about sports fans, considering fandom is ALL about feelings for a team, not logic). The point is that people feel jilted and it wasn’t done with the proper amount of respect for Oakland and the fans that supported this team as it lost year after year. I feel jilted and I’ve always lived east of the Caldecott, so I can only imagine how it feels for Oakland residents/fans. Ultimately, it comes down to money, which is ownership’s right. A new arena in SF will be exciting. But the way Oakland was left in the dust will make the experience bittersweet.

  • Yoda

    Granted, Lacob et al. are tone deaf and have been from the start. For the most part they should shut up and find a professional spokesperson to deal with the public. OTOH, maybe this is Lacob’s way of getting his jab in after being booed in Oakland. But a few points need to be made.

    First, it’s Oakland that has screwed up with respect to its sports teams by failing to put together a vision of a sports complex that would be somewhere other than out by the airport in a wasteland devoid of any amenities. Some real vision 15 years ago would have prevented this.

    Second, don’t act like the fans all come from Oakland. They don’t. Most don’t. There are probably more East Bay fans coming from the other side of the hills, or down south, than from the city of Oakland. For most of the fan base it’s a matter of taking a different train to get to the game, or driving over a bridge. Or not having to drive over a bridge anymore. There are a lot of fans for whom the new location will be far more convenient. And guess what – there will be places to eat and drink and everything! Again, something Oakland never figured out.

    Third, that Seattle comparison was horrible. That team went across the country. This one is moving eight miles or something like that. Please.

    Fourth, you talk about hijacking. Did Oakland hijack the team from SF?

    In the end, all you’re talking about is some kind of civic pride based around a freaking basketball team, not a diss of the fans. The fans who can afford it will still go, just like it was only the fans who could afford it who kept going after Cohan’s renovation kicked out tons of long-time season ticket holders who didn’t have the bucks to pay the new prices after having to pay for a season in San Jose.

    The only people I feel bad for in this are the folks who had jobs at the Oracle or because the team was there. Everyone else will be fine.

  • dailey19

    The Lacob/Guber team will be in for a major surprise when they face years of no-shows + the vociferous 50% East Bay season ticket holders.
    Lacob/Guber/Lee are ruthless !

  • Kev

    I know there might be jobs lost but I think for those people whom worked there before get first crack at the jobs like what the 49ers are doing right now. It’s a new stadium.

  • FANTOM

    Thank yhou so much for this article, which captures it well.I will forward to the Warriors staff who asked me if I was excited about the move.

  • Mhyhe

    Ever since the Dodgers left Brooklyn and the Giants left NYC, it has been clear that It is all about the owners, their egos and their money.

    Smart owners try to make it about the fans (altho it never is) and we are happy to go along with this.

    But when the worst franchise in the league sucker punches the fans and city that supported it, booing of the ownership will be the least of the repercussions.

    In their greed to build an arena before they build a good team, they are making a critical assumption – that the fans will still come if the team is in SF.

    I don’t think so. The prices will go up, travel patterns will be different, and with loyalty broken fans will take the time reassess the relationship. There will be a lot of empty seats in that new arena.

  • Chris

    Well said Marcus, even if I don’t necessarily agree. The thought that Oakland has lost something that belonged to the entire Bay Area anyways is pretty ludicrous. The soul of the Warriors fan base was not born in Oakland. Most of the 75% of fans who attend games make the journey to Oakland begrudgingly. I have lived on the Peninsula my entire life, and have the same dedication towards the Warriors as anyone who’s sat through year after year of failure. The iron will of the Warriors fan base was forged by enduring losses together, fans from every corner of the Bay.

    I think in your post, you touched upon the real issue when you said: “This city is hypersensitive about being deemed inferior, especially to San Francisco . . .”

    Oakland has an inferiority complex, plain and simple. A city that thrives between the lines is searching for acceptance from a world that lives in the open. The thing is that Oaklanders have not only accepted the notion that they’re deemed inferior, but they revel in it. It’s like a battle cry to rally around, or something to hang your hat on at the end of the day. The City of Oakland and it’s people have done nothing to dispel the outside world’s perception of their city, and if anything have tried to live up to it. Corrupt politics, seedy criminal elements, dilapidated areas of redevelopment? All major cities have those problems, even the “shining jewel” across the Bay. But at the end of the day, those cities have qualities that balance out the bad, that do inspire hope. Public works, festivals, events, architecture, parks, you name it. Oakland may have similar qualities, but the rest of us will never know.

    More specifically to the point, look at the sports scene. All teams go through ups and downs. The sports landscape has changed, but Oakland hasn’t changed with it. Like it or not (I’d say not) sports is as much about money as it is about winning. Whether it be bureaucracy, bad ownership, politics, or all of the above, Oakland never got it done for their teams. They’ve been stuck at the Colisseum complex while the rest of the sporting world has moved on. The fan attendance to Oakland based teams has dwindled down to almost nothing. When a team as pivotal to the history of the NFL as the Raiders are can’t draw enough to show a game on TV, or a team with a championship tradition like the A’s draws less than 2000 to the yard, that’s on Oakland, and no one else. The reason the Warriors thrive and continually sell out? it’s not the fan base in Oakland, who have quite adamantly spoken with their wallets that it’s not worth filling the joint, but the collective fan base of the entire Bay Area that fills the Oracle.

    In the end, I don’t feel badly for Oakland’s loss, because simply put the Warriors were never theirs to lose. The move to SF and everything that comes with it represents a good thing for the Warriors franchise. A fan base that as remained loyal through extremely down times will finally be put on a stage for all the world to see. And the only people who have a problem with it? The one’s who want to be looked over, who want to be the underdog, who don’t want to jump in the spotlight, and who thrive on the being deemed inferior . . . the citizens of Oakland.

  • ArmChair GM

    I wanna address the erroneous statement that I have seen time and time again from San Franciscans claiming that the Warriors are coming “HOME” to San Francisco. As if Oakland was not a REAL HOME to the Warriors for 41 years!

    First of all, in case you just crawled out from under a rock, you should realize that the true HOME of the Warriors is Philadelphia! They were formed there, and stayed there for 16 years.

    They moved to San Francisco in 1962 and were based there for a measly little 9 years until 1971. However, even during that brief 9 year span as the SF warriors do your research, they played SEVERAL games in Oakland!

    From 1971 to 2017(at least) The Warriors will have been hosted and supported to the tune of constant sellout crowds and at least $100,000,000 by the city of Oakland to make the Warriors feel comfortable. The teams ONLY Championship was won when the team was hosted by Oakland!

    So you do the simple math…

    -Philadelphia 16 years

    -San Francisco Barely 9 years

    -Oakland 41 years and counting along with unparalleled fan support and over 100 million by the city of Oakland.

    Now you tell me….Who really has been the real HOME to the Warriors over their complete history?

    San Francisco ain’t no REAL HOME to the Warriors. They want the glory but they haven’t even come close to putting in the work or quality time!

    GTFOH with that SF is the home of the Warriors crap!

  • http://ihatemydvr.blogspot.com/ Bigmouth

    Wow… you nailed it. Very, very well said.

  • Fire Bob Fitzgerald

    This article is pure unadulterated hogwash and – as I’ve commented before – MT has no objectivity in regard to this situation and frankly is compromising his position as a reporter that a sports fan can trust. His bias in favor of Oakland is palpable.

    There was nothing the Warriors could have done differently that would have mollified East Bay fans who are now going to have cross the Bay Bridge (just as San Francisco based fans have done for decades) to cheer for the Warriors.

    MT do all bus drivers live in Oakland or just bus drivers who are Warriors fans? Why must bus drivers and their ilk who live in the West Bay have to be condemned to a life of crossing the Bay Bridge to an arena marooned in a sea of concrete in order to see the Warriors in person? And this says nothing of the poor bus driver living in San Jose who cheers for the Warriors, has kids, and wants to take them to see the Warriors too just like his Oakland based brethren.

    To compare the Warriors move of less than 20 miles to the Supersonics’ “move” (assassination is more apt) is simply laughable.

    Asserting that the Warriors were wrong to claim they were looking at all of their options when – according to MT – they weren’t shows that MT is better off as a sportswriter since he obviously has no idea how businesses must run especially when they are dealing with situations that cannot move forward absent dealing with local governments.

    As someone who has lived in Oakland, San Francisco, and San Jose (but still doesn’t have any soul like people in Oklahoma City and who doesn’t cheer as loud either according to MT) and who has commuted to see the Warriors from all of these cities (up to and including season tickets for multiple years when I lived in San Jose and had to fight my way up 880 at rush hour to see the Warriors) your take on this situation MT is offensive.

    Your wife is correct: sometimes it is how you say it that matters. And, in this instance, your rampant sentimentality and romantic glorification of the Oakland based middle class fan means you are slamming all of the rest of the fans (this is called a negative pregnant).

  • Mano de Nada

    “And seeing the vision for the arena, perched on waterfront with a backdrop that would make Ansel Adams switch to color, even Oaklanders understand the move.”

    Errr Ansel Adams would puke at what has been done to the city and the bay, and he would not endorse a billionaires play thing no matter how well PhotoShopped a presentation. Mr Adams simply had much more to his game than all that. Just stating facts…

  • Todd

    I used to live in the Bay Area until economics forced me away and have been a W’s fan for over 30 years. I agree that different PR could have been used to break the news but ultimately business is business and the Bay Area still has a team. They didn’t move to Seattle or Vancouver or any number of other cities that desperately want a team, be happy that you can still see your team. Not to mention, on the other hand, with the known support of Oakland as a commodity, several NBA regions support two teams, who is to say that Sacramento, New Orleans, Toronto or any other struggling franchise doesn’t move to Oakland and have a rivalry like the Lakers/Clippers, Mavericks/Spurs, Heat/Magic.

  • Rutherford Van Gleason

    Fire Bob Fitzgerald is right in this: Comparing the move from Oakland to SF to what happened to Seattle and the Sonics is just out of control. You can’t be serious.

    We’re talking about four more stops on BART for god’s sake.

  • STH from the Town

    Awesome piece MTIII. Thanks. Some of the comments are hilarious. The people who love the move now think the other group has no right to have hurt feelings about it. You have the team now, go away and let us vent.
    If I’m not mistaken you changed the piece a bit. As a lifelong Oaklander, I did as you said ” get part of my grind from being from San Francisco’s lil step brother”. And while I’m not rich by any means I’ll be keeping my seats in the new place. While there is more money in San Francisco theres also an even bigger population of lower and middle class people. Even though they will be a lot closer to the venue, at some point they will miss the “good ole days”. The days that THEY could actually afford to go to the game.

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  • The Real Sleepy

    For what it’s worth, the Real Sleepy (the one who writes for Golden State of Mind) thinks this is a fantastic article.

    As for the “Sleepy Freud” troll last seen cussing himself out in this thread … LOL. I guess I should be flattered?

  • Grey Warden

    Lacob reminds me of a certain player that used to play in Cleveland, who left to play for Miami. It’s not about leaving that bothers fans, it’s in how they go about it that pisses people off. Both guys love the spotlight, and can’t seem to get enough of it.

    Lack of meekness:

    Former Cavs player:
    - “The Decision”
    - Telling fans after failing to win a championship that they have to go back to their miserable lives
    - Other stupid comments made throughout the years

    Joe Lacob:
    - Saying that anyone other than a STH is not a real fan
    - Guaranteeing playoffs
    - Hogging the spotlight on Chris Mullin night
    - Indirectly telling Oakland that he doesn’t give a crap about them

  • Dom

    Oh now I get it, “It’s how they said it”. Please excuse me as a wipe away a tear drop. Give me a break, talk about a fictional controversy. If Lacob expressed his devoted love for the city of Oakland on the night Mullin’s jersy was retired, would he have not been booed? lol

    As someone who grew up on the Peninsula driving to sporting events, excuse me for not being sympathetic. I must have missed the out pour of media attention when the Giants and 49ers announced their intentions to move out from under Candlestick. I’m sure some will argue that those teams never resided on the Peninsula, and therefore this is somehow different. The fact is financially, Bay Area teams count on fans from ALL corners of the region, without everyone’s contribution these teams/organizations wouldn’t exist!

    So to those “warrior fans” who are broken up bc the ownership group didn’t coddle you, and if you’re angry about the additional 15 mile drive… Maybe you should become Kings fans, I heard they’re looking for a new place to call home.

  • PJ

    Excellent as always by MT. After 40+ years in Oakland the team is innately tied to the city. This is a painful loss. Why not a downtown stadium in Oakland??

    If Kawakami is going to bring up his conspiracy theories it should be noted that he reported the Warriors were worth no more than $315 million when the team went up for sale. He also reported Ellison had the first shot to buy the team and refused to pay more than 315 million. When the bidding started Kawakami then reported that there were multiple (5+) parties willing to pay 400+ million.

    Taking all of his inconsistent speculation into account it’s hard to buy into the Kawakami conspiracy theories:

    (1) the team has to move to SF because of the sale price? TV is by far the biggest revenue stream. Tickets/ luxury suites/ real estate developments play a small part. For evidence see LA Dodger’s sale price — no coincidence the team is in the 2nd largest TV market in the nation and the stadium is nothing special in terms of location or architecture. The Bay Area is the 6th largest sports market ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_and_Canadian_cities_by_number_of_major_professional_sports_franchises). The sale price is largely based on that and a stadium in Oakland is viable.

    (2) Ellison got cheated in the negotiations? You already reported that he offered $315 million in a non-competitive bid. Sounds like he did not know what he was doing. Also sounds like he did not have the highest bid from all other accounts.

    As usual Kawakami is light on evidence, heavy on speculation, and contradicts his earlier reporting without any explanation.

  • Mogli

    Al Attles played for the Warriors from 1960-1971. Guess where the team was during that time? Philadelphia (1960-1962) and San Francisco (1962-1971). So the inclusion of Al Attles in the argument only helps to prove it’s truly a Bay Area team and not an Oakland team.

    Also, everyone is getting upset over 15 miles! Calm down. Just be happy that you now have an owner who is trying to make decisions that will improve the prosperity of your team. Or would you rather still have Chris Cohan?

  • Martina

    So you have the same problem with the Warriors 30 minute move to San Francisco that many people had with Lebron James’ “The Decision” move from Claeveland to Miami? It’s all about style points. Fair enough.

    Also, to compare this move with the Seattle franchise move to Oklahoma City seems really off to me. Moving the team 2,000 miles is somewhat different than moving the team 15 miles. An analogous move would have been a team leaving Tacoma to a new arena in Seattle.

  • RNP

    If you are a fan of the team, none of this matters. Period.

  • Smitty

    A beautiful piece of writing, and you’re spot-on with the idea of meekness.

  • lobo

    marcus—–any other team ever leave oakland? duh!

    ya’think if you had some scratch and bought the
    team you wouldn’t consider moving if you got the
    opportunity??

    ya’think more jobs are going to be created in the long
    run by moving than those lost??

    ya’ think they are the last team to pull out?

  • dubs wise

    Much thanks Marcus. Appreciate the thoughtful piece.

    I do think it goes deeper than just a lack of respect though. That lack or respect for the history and for the future of the communities that have been the lifeline for this team points to very real & concrete issues of class. An issue we are always so damn hesitant to talk about in this country.

    You imply some of these issues in you article, and I thank you for that.

  • philb

    When the Haas family owned the A’s they remodeled the teams away jerseys to say “Oakland”. They got it. When the Warriors were hosted by the city of Oakland they couldn’t bring themselves to rename the team “Oakland Warriors”. That’s all you need to know about how they truly felt about their host city.

  • John Starks

    The Oakland/East Bay fans poured a lot of money down that hole, took all of reputation hits and hung in there…for three embarassing, mostly horrendously awful decades. And even though they don’t think so, the SF people should be outraged that the 1% can do something like this. It’s not right and they know it. There are millions of fans across that Bay. It’s just unbelievable how rich guys can do this to people in the name of progress.

    Lacob and Crew hijacked the Warriors and (likely) drove a permanent wedge between Oakland and SF – probably to the delight of SF.

    I’m tired of sucking up to SF. I make a decent living working in SF but I’m now looking for a way to work in Oakland. It’s time to contribute directly to our civic base. We Oaklanders put our money where are mouths are…as meager as that money is to Joe Lacob.

  • PointBreak

    This is a great piece of writing. Funny how most that are commenting forget that you started by saying you understand why the move is for the best. Meekness.

    I’m from LA and grew up with the Lakers in late 70s and 80s. I moved to Fremont in 1990 for work with no intentions of changing teams. However I remember going to my first game at the Coliseum and seeing real basketball fans. Loud, loyal, and fun, not like at the Forum. I remember ‘Don’t Stop the Noise’, which never would have happened in LA. I will go to games in SF, as I’m sure most East Bay fans will. I imagine it will be a lot like those games I recall at the Forum. There will not be a ‘We Believe’ movement in SF.

  • ArmChair GM

    Like I said in mt post #44-

    San Francisco has done absolutely NOTHING to innately or inherently DESERVE or have a RIGHT TO the Warriors. San Francisco is NOT the real HOME of the Warriors.

    Just like a child that has been given up for adoption, if we are talking about birthright, Philadelphia has that. If we are talking about who has fed, clothed, nurtured, raised, supported and been the life blood of the Warriors of the team, it is OAKLAND.

    It is nothing more than a Class Superiority Complex, and Arrogance that San Francisco has ALWAYS had towards Oakland, that makes them feel that they are somehow ENTITLED to the Warriors simply by the merit of their mere existence!

    The attitude that even tho they have absolutely JACK SQUAT for the team for over 50 years, that somehow by means of some Sports Manifest Destiny they are just innately more worthy of hosting the team than Oakland!

    That attitude by San Francisco in almost everything when it comes to the relationship between SF and Oakland, is what makes me sick, and all real Oaklanders and East Bay fans could see right through that crappy, presumptuous, disingenuous, self serving, sham of a Press Conference on Tuesday!

  • ArmChair GM

    Oakland’s biggest mistake was allowing The Warriors to come and set up shop here for 41 years and get away with not claiming us as its Host City.

    Before Oakland spent $100,000,000.00 dollars on the Warriors in 1997 they should have forced the Warriors to recognize the city of Oakland and bear the name of the City that was putting that much of a financial investment into the team.

    We let the Warriors get away with this crap for 41 years and it finally came and bit us in the a**!

  • John Starks

    @ArmChair “Just like a child that has been given up for adoption, if we are talking about birthright, Philadelphia has that. If we are talking about who has fed, clothed, nurtured, raised, supported and been the life blood of the Warriors of the team, it is OAKLAND”

    A+++++++++++++++++++++

  • Manus

    Lest we forget that game when Lacob was booed excessively…

    Probably aided & abetted his decision.

  • ArmChair GM

    Thanks John Starks-

    I just speak the truth.

  • John Starks

    @Manus – maybe. I had considered that. But it’s poor logic to assume that ONLY Oakland people were booing, or people who booed were low-class poverty cases.

    But now that SF has the publicity bounce from the announcement, they will continue to ceremoniously kiss the Warrior’s ass simply to try to prove that booing only happens in Oakland. Spin, spin, spin buddy you better believe it.

    Lesson: billionaires don’t like getting booed – even when and if they deserve it. That’s why people kiss their asses. Otherwise, they destroy your city.

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  • John Starks

    In a way, I’m glad this happened. It has royally galvanized the East Bay.

    Love the pride, y’all.

  • Lori

    well said thank you Marcus

  • Doug

    Meh. Oakland residents will have to travel a bit to work their jobs with the Warriors or to attend the games. The bottom line is that very few people will be significantly impacted negatively and the fan experience will be immensely improved.

  • ArmChair GM

    @John Starks-

    Loyalty before Royalty. Sometimes it takes a big loss to get people to come together the way they should have been all along!

  • Martina

    @John Starks
    “In a way, I’m glad this happened. It has royally galvanized the East Bay.”

    Galvanized the East Bay to what end? What’s next?
    (1) Sue the Warriors to keep them here?
    (2) Go after the Sacramento Kings?
    (3) Go after the New Orleans Hornets?

  • ArmChair GM

    @Martina

    Numbers 2 and 3

    Lacob will be in court for the next five years at least after the environmental groups in SF get through with him and that Pier development business.

    Oakland will press forward with the Coliseum City project leaving the door open for the Warriors to return and save face after the Waterfront deal gets dragged out for a decade.

    If the Warriors decide to choose another SF sight, further proving how disingenuous they were all along, Oakland will vigorously pursue the Hornets or the Kings, who are BOTH looking for new stadiums.

    Trust me, this isn’t even close to being a done deal yet.

  • John Starks

    @Martina – Galvanize to reject that snarky, snotty SF attitude. They pretend they’re so educated and classy and grass-roots but they look down on Oakland like with utter contempt. We’ve had it with the SF superiority/Oakland inferiority bullshit. Well, maybe I’ll speak for myself but I may have some allies out there.

    Fine. SF is great – it’s a beautiful city. It’s not Oakland that has hated on SF, it’s SF that has always hated on Oakland. I can go to SF (I work there, sometimes hang out), but most SF people wouldn’t be caught dead hanging out in Oakland. And they don’t even know why because 75% of them haven’t even given it a chance – they won’t even cross the bridge. And if they did, it was for the Warriors and only long enough to not shit themselves in the parking lot after the game. (Which is the main argument I have for keeping the Warriors in Oakland. It’s the one thing that got SF people to go there.)

    One of my coworkers said, “I was going to fly out of Oakland but there’s like a massacre every day there. I don’t want to die.” Go read some of the dumb stuff people have been posting here. Yes, people really are that ignorant about Oakland. And you’re rolling your eyes right now.

    At this point, if Oakland loses all three teams, I guess that’s how it has to be. Oakland and its residents do not and have not deserved the crap they get. I’m all in. I’m going to stand up for the cool middle-class kid who always gets dissed by the hot jock douchebag with rich parents.

  • robert rowell

    oh dear god. the W’s are the BAY AREA’s team. not oakland’s. you really need to get over it. first and foremost, SF is light years ahead of the town. no disrespect, but oakland is little brother to the city. people come from all over the world to visit, work, innovate, create — in SF. again, i have love for the whole bay area, but please, stop acting like a child when the obvious spot — for it’s cultural, economical, artistic, historic legacy — is where the people want to be.

    second– get off the “small market” crap. it’s just pure garbage. the bay area is the 5th largest media market in the country. fact. that’s not small market by a long shot.

    this is the bay area’s team. i can’t reiterate that enough. as a longtime resident of SF, i’ve gone to the Bore-icle (CULB 200!!!) hundreds of times. now you all can come over here, stay for dinner, maybe hit a few bars, whatever floats your boat. the complete experience will be better than what we as fans have now.

    the W’s have just as many diehard fans here in the city as anywhere else. take a walk around any neighborhood and you’ll see folks sporting W’s colors. we all love the team, we’ll all continue to love them. stop the SF bashing because that’s not what the bay area is about.

  • Albert

    Well-said. A little love for this city that gets so little would have gone a long way.

  • ArmChair GM

    San Francisco is so arrogant, they pretend that the Tenderloin, Hunters Point, Sunnydale, Lakeview, Alemany, Army St, Potrero Hill, and Western Addition, which are all San Francisco Public housing projects by the way, do not exist.

    They act like the chronic homeless issue doesn’t exist.
    They act like the hate crimes and random acts of violence don’t exist.

    But any knowledgeable Bay Area resident knows that San Francisco has its fair share of urban blight. San Francisco has its fair share of societal ills.

    But the media so conveniently spins and selects what information to share with the general public, to create the impression that the entire city is Coastline and Cable Cars…

    You guys may be fooled but not me!

    Why has poor little ghetto Oakland been the ONLY team in California to successfully support a pro Football, Basketball, and Baseball team for DECADES, and provide a Champion in each!

    In fact do the combined individual championship count and you will see that between the Raiders/A’s/Warriors Oakland leads San Francisco 8-6

    Get on OUR level San Fran, not the other way around!

  • ArmChair GM

    Robert Rowell-

    Oakland 8 combined Sports Championships
    San Fran 6 combined Sports Championships

    When it comes to Professional sports….who is the Little Brother again???

    GTFOH!!!

  • ArmChair GM

    robert rowell Says:
    May 24th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    oh dear god. the W’s are the BAY AREA’s team. not oakland’s. you really need to get over it.
    _______________________________________________________

    So if the Warriors are the BAY AREA’s team stop making the erroneous assertion that the Warriors need to come HOME to San Francisco!

    Any other time, you guys are quick to blurt out, erroneously might I add, that the Dubs BELONG in SF and need to come “Home” to SF…crap, crap, crap.

    But when we prove historically that Oakland has been more of a home to the Warriors than Philadelphia and San Francisco combined, then all of a sudden they become the “Bay Area’s Team?”

    You can’t have it both ways buddy.

    Your whole post reeks of the San Fran Superiority Complex that sickens us.

    Like I said, Get On Our Level!

  • robert rowell

    somebody needs a hug.

    the W’s are the bay area’s team. saying otherwise is pretty silly. even when the W’s move to sf, they’ll still be the bay area’s team. as to the rest of your meandering spleen vent directed at everything and anything SF, chill out. please stop putting words in my or any of these other “arrogant” san franciscans mouth’s and then making arguments against them. i hear that you’re angry, but the good news is, the W’s are still the bay area’s team and we’re all gonna still root for them.

  • mark

    Marcus,
    you are way to hard on our new owners. they aren’t trying to win a beauty pageant by making all the right moves and satisfying everyone. give them a break and tell oakland fans to stop whining, you can still make it to the games easily from the eastbay, i’ve been doing it for years now and I live in the south bay. the warriors are a bay area team, not just oaktown’s own team.

  • dknight.007

    Marcus,

    Your finally getting it guy.

    The rich 1% owners should have worked with Oakland to get Coliseum City done, instead of lying and saying they are looking at all options.

    They ONLY reason Lacob and Goober are going to SF is to increase the value of franchise so they can sell and make millions of dollars more and be even more rich.

    Nice huh?

    What a joke!

  • dknight.007

    The Warriors hard core REAL fans are from the East Bay and Tri Valley areas….they are not from fairweather fan SF.

  • dknight.007

    robert rowell Says:
    May 24th, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    oh dear god. the W’s are the BAY AREA’s team. not oakland’s. you really need to get over it. first and foremost, SF is light years ahead of the town. no disrespect, but oakland is little brother to the city. people come from all over the world to visit, work, innovate, create — in SF. again, i have love for the whole bay area, but please, stop acting like a child when the obvious spot — for it’s cultural, economical, artistic, historic legacy — is where the people want to be.

    second– get off the “small market” crap. it’s just pure garbage. the bay area is the 5th largest media market in the country. fact. that’s not small market by a long shot.

    this is the bay area’s team. i can’t reiterate that enough. as a longtime resident of SF, i’ve gone to the Bore-icle (CULB 200!!!) hundreds of times. now you all can come over here, stay for dinner, maybe hit a few bars, whatever floats your boat. the complete experience will be better than what we as fans have now.

    the W’s have just as many diehard fans here in the city as anywhere else. take a walk around any neighborhood and you’ll see folks sporting W’s colors. we all love the team, we’ll all continue to love them. stop the SF bashing because that’s not what the bay area is about.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Huh? More like stop the Oakland bashing. Oakland is not that bad of a place. It gets a bad rap.

    The only bad part of Oakland is EAST OAKLAND.

  • dknight.007

    The problem is SF and the fans of SF sports teams are so freakin annoyingly ARROGANT acting like their g*y city crap doesn’t stink. Hello…the TENDORLOIN area? Ewwww….

    Now that is the problem!

  • cmart

    I’ve been an Oakland resident for 10 years running. Before that in SF for 10 years and born and raised in San Jose.

    Growing up we drove an hour each way and I know I’m not alone. Marcus, the W’s have never been Oakland’s team, they just play there. Of the big three sports they are unique in that they are the entire Bay Area’s team.

    Proud to be an Oaklander but Marcus in trying to give 510 Dubs fans their due you’re. not recognizing everyone else who makes it a special place no matter what side of the bay they play.

  • Dom

    I really hope this story doesn’t get any national attention, how embarrassing. There’s so many people around the country facing real problems, and were wasting time & energy on crap like this? WAKE UP it’s only a 15 mile move. If you seriously have the time in your lives to worry about something this small, you should consider yourselves lucky. Only people I feel bad for are the employees at Oracle, and I really hope the Warriors offer them employment at the new arena. However the rest of you seem extremely petty, acting like this is somehow “your team”.

    By the way Mr. Thompson, you lose validity in your argument on the confession that you too moved out of Oakland. Oh that’s right, it wasn’t that they moved, it was how they SAID IT. Because of course these upset Warrior fans in Oakland would have been just fine with the move if they had only said it differently. What a joke!

  • dknight007

    93.Dom Says:
    May 25th, 2012 at 8:41 am
    I really hope this story doesn’t get any national attention, how embarrassing. There’s so many people around the country facing real problems, and were wasting time & energy on crap like this? WAKE UP it’s only a 15 mile move. If you seriously have the time in your lives to worry about something this small, you should consider yourselves lucky. Only people I feel bad for are the employees at Oracle, and I really hope the Warriors offer them employment at the new arena. However the rest of you seem extremely petty, acting like this is somehow “your team”.

    By the way Mr. Thompson, you lose validity in your argument on the confession that you too moved out of Oakland. Oh that’s right, it wasn’t that they moved, it was how they SAID IT. Because of course these upset Warrior fans in Oakland would have been just fine with the move if they had only said it differently. What a joke!

    ^^^^^^^^
    The REAL fans of the W’s from the East Bay and Tri Valley Areas have paid and sacrificed there fair share of money in support of losing franchise for over 30 years.

    Going an extra 20 minutes to see the crappy team play night in and night out with over inflated prices at an overpriced new Arena in SF where there will be traffic problems and transportation problems, is a big difference.

    If the Warriors are the “Bay Area’s team”, then why will 1%’s like Lacob and Guber name the team San Francisco Warriors instead of keeping them the Golden State Warriors when they move to SF?

    When they were here in Oakland, why didn’t they name them the Oakland Warriors?

    Think about it….you arrogant SF fairweather soft fans!

  • dknight007

    Marcus,

    Your finally getting it guy.

    The rich 1% owners should have worked with Oakland to get Coliseum City done, instead of lying and saying they are looking at all options.

    They ONLY reason Lacob and Goober are going to SF is to increase the value of franchise so they can sell and make millions of dollars more and be even more rich.

    Nice huh?

    What a joke!

  • jjbiggs

    “The rich try to get richer.” And that’s the reason some of you are crying? That’s life in this capitalistic country. If you don’t like it, move out! The move across the bay will be amazing. Fans are emotional about it, and they should be, as they are FANS. I think that’s pretty much the definition of it… irrational or not. To me, the bottom line is the owners are trying to make the franchise better. If that means having a new arena, serving garlic fries at concession stands, and moving Ellis for Bogut, then so-be-it. I’m just happy they’re TRYING! I was born & raised in the East Bay and love the Warriors. The fact that it’ll be a few BART stops further does not make me cringe. In fact, it’ll be amazing to spend some time in SF and not just walk the concrete walk back to colliseum bart station. Hopefully, share a beer and enjoy some victories that the new ownership has trailblazed for us! In time… all fans will be happy with the move.

  • Dom

    Thanks Dknight007:

    But as you know the current ownership group didn’t name them the “Golden State” Warriors, and they purchased the right to now name the team whatever they want. Personally I could care less what they call themselves as long as they start producing a winning product on the court. Now I’m not sure why they weren’t named the Oakland Warriors after making the move from SF, but seems a bit late to pretend like that’s an issue now.

    Also I live on the Peninsula not San Francisco, and fans like us have been making the commute for many years. So throwing out jabs like “you arrogant SF fairweather soft fans” as if the whole Bay Area is against you, well comes off as immature and petty. And let’s please not pretend that ticket prices wouldn’t have shot up if the team moved to Jack London Square.

    So if an extra 15 mile commute is too much for you, then don’t make it. However don’t ask others who’ve made much longer commutes for sympathy. And if an extra commute time is the limit of your support, well your obviously free to make that decision. Curious what X-Sonic fans up in Seattle think of your argument while there stuck watching the Thunder play on tv.

  • Martina

    Wow, it’s pretty clear, Oakland has a bad case of the Second City Blues.

    What’s sad is that Oakland continued to kiss Al Davis’s ass even as Al moved the team to L.A., not once blaming Al, instead blaming the Coliseum Commission for not caving in to all of his demands.

  • ArmChair GM

    Imagine being a guy who meets a woman and falls in love. When you first met her, she didn’t have a job or a place to stay. But that didn’t matter…You love her anyway.

    You cherish her and care for her…You protect her and keep her safe…You BELIEVE in her…You inspire her…You spend quality time with her…You’re committed and faithful to her…You hang her picture up at your desk at work…You tell all your friends about her…She loses her job, and gets sick, so you support her…You cover all her bills…You pay her way through college…Through all the good and bad times you are always there for her…You even buy her a ring and get down on one knee for her…

    But despite all of this she NEVER claims you in public. When people ask her if she’s single she says “I have a FRIEND”, but it’s not anything serious.” She never shows any of her friends a picture of you. She never even wears her ring in public. Then to top it off, you find out that she’s been seeing another guy.

    Do any of you know a woman like this? I do. Her name is the Golden State Warriors!!! The guy that got played is the City of Oakland!!!

  • ArmChair GM

    See this is what posters like Dom and Robert Rowell don’t, or are refusing to acknowledge and understand.

    It has nothing to do with driving an extra 15 minutes to SF.

    Would it feel better if your Wife left you for the next door neighbor instead of the guy across town?!? Proximity has NOTHING To do with it!

    It has to do with the fact that the Warriors organization have NEVER even CLAIMED US as its HOST CITY! That is virtually UNHEARD of in Professional sports. Especially when you have MULTIPLE teams that play in that same State or area!

    After DECADES of LOYALTY to a team that was going nowhere when we took them in…And continued to go nowhere on the basketball court for most of its existence, Oakland will NEVER even be remembered for its loyalty.

    When Lacob inevitably changes the name of the team to the San Francisco Warriors, which he inevitably will, Oakland will be nothing more than a passing footnote in the history of this team.

    Oakland, the City that stepped up in the tune of 100,000,000 when the Warriors were essentially homeless. But it will not even be mentioned when the team finally reaches its Glory Years.

    The fans, citizens,and City officials that stood by the Warriors with their support and their MONEY when nobody else would, deserve far better than this!

    Wrap your reading comprehension skills around that Dom and Robert Rowell!

  • RMH

    I live in the East Bay and can’t wait til the Dubs play in SF. The Coliseum is a pit…a non-descript complex stuck in the middle of an equally non-descript industrial area.

    Stop whining about how the W’s turned their back on Oakland.

    Get over it. They Warriors aren’t leaving the bay area. They’re moving about 12 miles away…to a more scenic, cultural hub. So get in your car, take BART, take the ferry or swim across the bay.

    I couldn’t be happier. Finally, the promise of a world-class venue…one that’ll probably be the envy of the rest of the league (and hopefully of the 2015-17 crop of free agents, too).

    I can’t believe anyone wouldn’t be overjoyed at the prospect of having a new home on the banks of SF Bay. Quit raining on Lacouber’s parade…they’re sowing the seeds of change.

    Let’s just hope they finally get rid of that ridiculous Golden State moniker, too. We’re not California’s team, we’re a bay area team. So change the name to the San Francisco Bay Warriors. Once they move to SF, drop the “bay” if you wish.

    Stop the whining and complaining. It’s time to rejoice!!

  • rui

    the day they leave Oakland is the day I find a new team to support.

  • John

    This discussion shows why this nation is not in as bad shape as the pols tell us. Please, this is important? It reminds me of a recent New Yorker cartoon where god is sitting in heaven with an angel standing at his side holding a list. God says, “Please don’t bother me with pestilence, poverty, disease, war, and malnutrition, I’m too busy helping a baseball player hit a home run to win a game.”

  • Stan

    I know one thing,If Lacob follows up..its going to make John Fisher and Lew Wolff look like liars. I mean,on much less personal wealth..Lacob would have a team and a stadium. The important difference?..Lacob wouldn’t have held the bay area hostage with no team improvement. And I admit that’s tentative until Bogut takes us to a west title..or playoffs. But its how I size it up for now.

    Best of all-build Coloseum city revitalize Oakland..and through a financial domino effect lift Oakland,lessen crime,and leave the bay waters unmolested. I guess my hoping for some social responsibility and sacrifice by the super wealthy is to them..a joke.

  • Dom

    Well a valid comparison ArmChair, after all we should all be able to sympathize with your wife & basketball team analogy. Supporting a loved one and a sports franchise have so much on common? I don’t know you, but I’m pretty sure you’ll be OK. If not we can get you a support group. Again if your struggling with this you should seriously consider getting some professional help. Sports teams come and go, relax my friend it really will be ok.

  • http://joelacobsucks.blogspot.com/ Joe Lacob

    Kiss my a$$, Oakland.

  • ArmChair GM

    Dom Says:
    May 26th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Supporting a loved one and a sports franchise have so much in common?…Sports teams come and go, relax my friend it really will be ok.
    _______________________________________________________

    And this post here by Dom is exactly why the Warriors need to stay in Oakland. To San Franciscans and their suburban neighbors, Sports teams just “come and go.”

    If the Warriors had been in SF all this time, there is no way the Warriors are in the top 10 in league wide attendance. There is no way ‘We Believe’ 07 happens with the type of fan support that was the envy of the entire NBA.

    Why should anyone care? After all, “sports teams just come and go.”

    How pathetic. Thanks for proving my point Dum, er I mean Dom.

  • Steve

    The announcement that the Golden State Warriors will build a basketball arena on Piers 30-32 in San Francisco by 2017 raised plenty of questions – and we’re not just talking about whether the team can actually score a winning season by then.

    Come on, people, we’re not psychic.

    But here are some answers to your burning questions about the deal – serious and not-so-serious alike.

    Q: How can those decrepit piers support a massive arena?

    A: Piers 30-32 may have pretty views, but the slabs of concrete themselves are downright wretched. Built to 1940s specifications, they’re crumbling into the bay, and the port says they’ll be condemned in 10 years without a dramatic overhaul. Building a basketball arena on them sounds about as smart as spending $450 million, a league record, on the lackluster Golden State Warriors themselves.

    Oh, wait.

    Owners Joe Lacob and Peter Guber have studied the site in depth and say they’re confident the piers can be sufficiently rehabbed. And they’re spending $100 million to do it.

    Nathan Ballard, spokesman for the project, said they’re essentially building a brand-new pier to today’s strict seismic and construction standards.

    The current pier is strong enough to hold the construction equipment needed for the project. Workers will drill 306 pillars down 130 to 180 feet beneath the water’s surface to connect the underbelly of the pier to the bedrock beneath it.

    Those pillars, each measuring 72 inches across, will be filled with cement, and a 3-foot-thick slab of concrete will be placed on the pier.

    “We’re building a new pier that will be strong enough to hold the Taj Mahal,” Ballard said.

    City officials are equally confident and say they hope the Warriors add their corporate headquarters and practice facilities to the piers, too.

    Q: What do the San Francisco Giants have to say about all this?

    A: Tuesday’s press conference featured a who’s-who of city officials and sporting greats, but curiously absent were the Warriors’ soon-to-be-neighbors, the San Francisco Giants. They didn’t even bring a basket of muffins as a welcome-to-the-neighborhood gift.

    Team CEO Larry Baer may be hesitant to publicly welcome the Warriors from Oakland after fighting the Oakland Athletics’ desired move to San Jose. The Giants could also have legitimate concerns about even worse traffic in the area and potentially losing concerts and sponsors to the basketball arena.

    Also, the Giants and Warriors had previously been discussing the possibility of the basketball team building an arena adjacent to AT&T Park.

    Giants spokeswoman Staci Slaughter said only, “We’re looking forward to hearing the particulars of their proposal, but until we do, we can’t really comment.”

    We hear there’s been some private grumbling about the Warriors’ move from the baseball team, but Lacob and Guber (a Dodgers owner – boo!) are pals of Baer’s and say they’ve talked to him in recent days and all is well.

    “We look forward to a productive partnership with the Giants,” Ballard said. “The addition of the arena right down the block will create an entertainment, sports and restaurant zone like never before in San Francisco

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/26/BA401OMGPT.DTL#ixzz1w2oQvlJy

  • Steve

    From Matier & Ross:

    The big sell: The Golden State Warriors did some pretty extensive polling to lay the groundwork for their big rollout pitch for a waterfront arena – and the best talking points were found to be no public money, no new taxes and the promise of construction jobs.

    Ironically, the lowest-scoring argument for building the arena was that it would mean a return of the Warriors to San Francisco.

    As for East Bay blowback over leaving Oakland, 66 percent of the 606 voters surveyed in Alameda and Contra Costa counties said they supported the idea of an arena in San Francisco.

  • Steve

    “If the Warriors had been in SF all this time, there is no way the Warriors are in the top 10 in league wide attendance. There is no way ‘We Believe’ 07 happens with the type of fan support that was the envy of the entire NBA.”

    The fans who have filled Oracle over the many years have come from all over the greater Bay Area and NoCal. And those very same fans have filled AT&T Park in SF since it opened for business some 12 years ago.

    In case you haven’t noticed the Giants are currently working on a sellout streak that has now reached over 100 games. And compared to the Warriors we’re talking apples and oranges given the fact the Giants play twice as many home games per season than do the Warriors, not to mention having to sit and watch those games in the “chill” of SF weather vs nice and comfy indoors at The Oracle.

    You want “loud”? AT&T is plenty “loud” (electric), and when the Giants have reached the postseason we’re talking over-the-top “loud”.

    Again, these same fans that fill AT&T aren’t just from SF, they’re from all points north, south and east, which mirrors the situation in Oakland for Warriors’ games.

    The Bay Area has the absolute best fans ANYWHERE. That fact is on display year-round at both AT&T Park and Oracle Arena. Forget about the zip codes, they’re absolutely meaningless if we’re talking local fan support.

  • Blake

    Very well said, Marcus. Oakland fans deserve better. But I lay much of this on Oakland’s leadership. Coliseum City was a tired, boring, lame attempt at keeping the Warriors. Any mayor with a pulse would’ve realized a downtown, Jack London Square Arena, on the water, only blocks from the Warriors’ training facility, as an anchor to downtown’s renaissance with the Fox Theater, Uptown, The Paramount and Lake Merritt, that was the only plan that had any chance against a waterfront proposal from San Francisco. Come on Jean Quan, get real!!!!

  • ArmChair GM

    http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_20720510/sports-economics-hinder-oakland

    Above is an article in today’s paper about how teams are preferring Downtown stadium sights and that this may be why the Coliseum City project may not be getting as much support.

    For those of us that are from Oakland, just go back a decade and remember what took place.

    This is actually all former Oakland mayor and current Governor Jerry Browns fault. It all started in 2003 with the Oakland A’s being the first team of the 3 Oakland teams looking for a new stadium. Oakland City officials had a site right Downtown in the heart of the Uptown that was already approved and ready to go.

    Jerry Brown vetoed it and actually fired the City Manager, Robert Bobb who was an ardent supporter of keeping the A’s and building the new stadium Downtown. Jerry Brown wanted to build condos and townhouses instead because the developer was his crony and personal friend. Jerry Brown is now notorious for being anti sports and having absolutely no interest in it.

    The A’s would have had a sparkling, brand new stadium right downtown which would no doubt have led to further development in the downtown area and most likely extending to Jack London Square. Mind you this was all long BEFORE the economic collapse of 2008.

    Oakland is now scrambling to keep its teams, but this could have all been avoided if Jerry Brown hadn’t sabotaged our city for his own personal interests.

  • deano

    MT: You miss the point entirely. We are faithful and sell out the games because we love the Warriors. It has never been about Oakland; nor will we suddenly ramp up our commitment to this team because it moves to San Francisco. We are fans of the Warriors, specifically the players. Each season, there are 15 of them. They are the objects of our affection, not buildings or cities. So “Oakland,” do not feel rejected. You were never embraced in the first place.

  • KW

    I have a theory that alot of the negative publicity Oakland gets on KTVU and shows like “Oakland Gang Wars” are gentrification and are attempts purposely to devalue Oakland stock. Justify moves like this out of Oakland, and then these same people come back in and buy everything for pennies on the dollar. They need to respect Oakland more but Oakland has to respect itself first and invest in it’s people, infrastructure and communities education and development and they will have no choice but to respect Oakland.

  • SP

    What everyone is saying: The Warriors fanbase is not only from Oakland! They’re all over the bay area! It’s not Oakland’s team!

    Then they say:
    Lacob is moving the team to SF after being booed in Oakland!

    Apparently now the entire fanbase is from Oakland!

    So which one is it people? Make up your damn minds.

  • ArmChair GM

    Thank you for hitting the nail on the head SP.

    These same clowns also say stuff like, “The Warriors aren’t Oakland’s team, they are the ENTIRE BAY AREA’s TEAM.”

    Then in the next breath they say,

    “I’m so happy the Warriors are coming HOME to San Francisco, and then they can change their name to the San Francisco Warriors.”

    The hypocrisy is sickening…

  • Stan

    Lacob should have waited until the ground was broke-and construction equipment was started. Otherwise it just looks like more promises-right?

  • ArmChair GM

    Steve Says:
    May 26th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    “As for East Bay blowback over leaving Oakland, 66 percent of the 606 voters surveyed in Alameda and Contra Costa counties said they supported the idea of an arena in San Francisco.”
    _______________________________________________________

    Steve the current Oakland Tribune online poll on this issue has Oakland/East Bay fans AGAINST the move by a margin of 60% to 40%. So what’s your point?

    Just like the saying made popular by Mark Twain…

    “There’s Lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

    Anyone can use skewed or slanted statistics to bolster all kinds of weak arguments. Try again Steve.