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	<title>Comments on: Warriors Error Isn&#8217;t In Leaving, But Lacking Compassion for Die-Hard Oakland Fans</title>
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		<title>By: ArmChair GM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArmChair GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 01:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve Says:
May 26th, 2012 at 10:24 pm

&quot;As for East Bay blowback over leaving Oakland, 66 percent of the 606 voters surveyed in Alameda and Contra Costa counties said they supported the idea of an arena in San Francisco.&quot;
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Steve the current Oakland Tribune online poll on this issue has Oakland/East Bay fans AGAINST the move by a margin of 60% to 40%. So what&#039;s your point?

Just like the saying made popular by Mark Twain...

&quot;There&#039;s Lies, damned lies, and statistics.&quot; 

Anyone can use skewed or slanted statistics to bolster all kinds of weak arguments. Try again Steve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Says:<br />
May 26th, 2012 at 10:24 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;As for East Bay blowback over leaving Oakland, 66 percent of the 606 voters surveyed in Alameda and Contra Costa counties said they supported the idea of an arena in San Francisco.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Steve the current Oakland Tribune online poll on this issue has Oakland/East Bay fans AGAINST the move by a margin of 60% to 40%. So what&#8217;s your point?</p>
<p>Just like the saying made popular by Mark Twain&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s Lies, damned lies, and statistics.&#8221; </p>
<p>Anyone can use skewed or slanted statistics to bolster all kinds of weak arguments. Try again Steve.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 15:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lacob should have waited until the ground was broke-and construction equipment was started. Otherwise it just looks like more promises-right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lacob should have waited until the ground was broke-and construction equipment was started. Otherwise it just looks like more promises-right?</p>
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		<title>By: ArmChair GM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArmChair GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 00:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for hitting the nail on the head SP.

These same clowns also say stuff like, &quot;The Warriors aren&#039;t Oakland&#039;s team, they are the ENTIRE BAY AREA&#039;s TEAM.&quot;

Then in the next breath they say, 

&quot;I&#039;m so happy the Warriors are coming HOME to San Francisco, and then they can change their name to the San Francisco Warriors.&quot;

The hypocrisy is sickening...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for hitting the nail on the head SP.</p>
<p>These same clowns also say stuff like, &#8220;The Warriors aren&#8217;t Oakland&#8217;s team, they are the ENTIRE BAY AREA&#8217;s TEAM.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then in the next breath they say, </p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m so happy the Warriors are coming HOME to San Francisco, and then they can change their name to the San Francisco Warriors.&#8221;</p>
<p>The hypocrisy is sickening&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 20:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What everyone is saying: The Warriors fanbase is not only from Oakland! They&#039;re all over the bay area! It&#039;s not Oakland&#039;s team!

Then they say:
Lacob is moving the team to SF after being booed in Oakland!

Apparently now the entire fanbase is from Oakland!

So which one is it people? Make up your damn minds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What everyone is saying: The Warriors fanbase is not only from Oakland! They&#8217;re all over the bay area! It&#8217;s not Oakland&#8217;s team!</p>
<p>Then they say:<br />
Lacob is moving the team to SF after being booed in Oakland!</p>
<p>Apparently now the entire fanbase is from Oakland!</p>
<p>So which one is it people? Make up your damn minds.</p>
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		<title>By: KW</title>
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		<dc:creator>KW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 03:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a theory that alot of the negative publicity Oakland gets on KTVU and shows like &quot;Oakland Gang Wars&quot; are gentrification and are attempts purposely to devalue Oakland stock.  Justify moves like this out of Oakland, and then these same people come back in and buy everything for pennies on the dollar.  They need to respect Oakland more but Oakland has to respect itself first and invest in it&#039;s people, infrastructure and communities education and development and they will have no choice but to respect Oakland.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a theory that alot of the negative publicity Oakland gets on KTVU and shows like &#8220;Oakland Gang Wars&#8221; are gentrification and are attempts purposely to devalue Oakland stock.  Justify moves like this out of Oakland, and then these same people come back in and buy everything for pennies on the dollar.  They need to respect Oakland more but Oakland has to respect itself first and invest in it&#8217;s people, infrastructure and communities education and development and they will have no choice but to respect Oakland.</p>
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		<title>By: deano</title>
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		<dc:creator>deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 17:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MT: You miss the point entirely. We are faithful and sell out the games because we love the Warriors. It has never been about Oakland; nor will we suddenly ramp up our commitment to this team because it moves to San Francisco. We are fans of the Warriors, specifically the players. Each season, there are 15 of them. They are the objects of our affection, not buildings or cities. So &quot;Oakland,&quot; do not feel rejected. You were never embraced in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MT: You miss the point entirely. We are faithful and sell out the games because we love the Warriors. It has never been about Oakland; nor will we suddenly ramp up our commitment to this team because it moves to San Francisco. We are fans of the Warriors, specifically the players. Each season, there are 15 of them. They are the objects of our affection, not buildings or cities. So &#8220;Oakland,&#8221; do not feel rejected. You were never embraced in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: ArmChair GM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArmChair GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 16:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_20720510/sports-economics-hinder-oakland

Above is an article in today&#039;s paper about how teams are preferring Downtown stadium sights and that this may be why the Coliseum City project may not be getting as much support.

For those of us that are from Oakland, just go back a decade and remember what took place.

This is actually all former Oakland mayor and current Governor Jerry Browns fault. It all started in 2003 with the Oakland A&#039;s being the first team of the 3 Oakland teams looking for a new stadium. Oakland City officials had a site right Downtown in the heart of the Uptown that was already approved and ready to go.

Jerry Brown vetoed it and actually fired the City Manager, Robert Bobb who was an ardent supporter of keeping the A&#039;s and building the new stadium Downtown. Jerry Brown wanted to build condos and townhouses instead because the developer was his crony and personal friend. Jerry Brown is now notorious for being anti sports and having absolutely no interest in it.

The A&#039;s would have had a sparkling, brand new stadium right downtown which would no doubt have led to further development in the downtown area and most likely extending to Jack London Square. Mind you this was all long BEFORE the economic collapse of 2008.

Oakland is now scrambling to keep its teams, but this could have all been avoided if Jerry Brown hadn&#039;t sabotaged our city for his own personal interests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_20720510/sports-economics-hinder-oakland" rel="nofollow">http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_20720510/sports-economics-hinder-oakland</a></p>
<p>Above is an article in today&#8217;s paper about how teams are preferring Downtown stadium sights and that this may be why the Coliseum City project may not be getting as much support.</p>
<p>For those of us that are from Oakland, just go back a decade and remember what took place.</p>
<p>This is actually all former Oakland mayor and current Governor Jerry Browns fault. It all started in 2003 with the Oakland A&#8217;s being the first team of the 3 Oakland teams looking for a new stadium. Oakland City officials had a site right Downtown in the heart of the Uptown that was already approved and ready to go.</p>
<p>Jerry Brown vetoed it and actually fired the City Manager, Robert Bobb who was an ardent supporter of keeping the A&#8217;s and building the new stadium Downtown. Jerry Brown wanted to build condos and townhouses instead because the developer was his crony and personal friend. Jerry Brown is now notorious for being anti sports and having absolutely no interest in it.</p>
<p>The A&#8217;s would have had a sparkling, brand new stadium right downtown which would no doubt have led to further development in the downtown area and most likely extending to Jack London Square. Mind you this was all long BEFORE the economic collapse of 2008.</p>
<p>Oakland is now scrambling to keep its teams, but this could have all been avoided if Jerry Brown hadn&#8217;t sabotaged our city for his own personal interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 15:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very well said, Marcus. Oakland fans deserve better. But I lay much of this on Oakland&#039;s leadership. Coliseum City was a tired, boring, lame attempt at keeping the Warriors. Any mayor with a pulse would&#039;ve realized a downtown, Jack London Square Arena, on the water, only blocks from the Warriors&#039; training facility, as an anchor to downtown&#039;s renaissance with the Fox Theater, Uptown, The Paramount and Lake Merritt, that was the only plan that had any chance against a waterfront proposal from San Francisco. Come on Jean Quan, get real!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said, Marcus. Oakland fans deserve better. But I lay much of this on Oakland&#8217;s leadership. Coliseum City was a tired, boring, lame attempt at keeping the Warriors. Any mayor with a pulse would&#8217;ve realized a downtown, Jack London Square Arena, on the water, only blocks from the Warriors&#8217; training facility, as an anchor to downtown&#8217;s renaissance with the Fox Theater, Uptown, The Paramount and Lake Merritt, that was the only plan that had any chance against a waterfront proposal from San Francisco. Come on Jean Quan, get real!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 05:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If the Warriors had been in SF all this time, there is no way the Warriors are in the top 10 in league wide attendance. There is no way ‘We Believe’ 07 happens with the type of fan support that was the envy of the entire NBA.&quot;

The fans who have filled Oracle over the many years have come from all over the greater Bay Area and NoCal. And those very same fans have filled AT&amp;T Park in SF since it opened for business some 12 years ago.

In case you haven&#039;t noticed the Giants are currently working on a sellout streak that has now reached over 100 games. And compared to the Warriors we&#039;re talking apples and oranges given the fact the Giants play twice as many home games per season than do the Warriors, not to mention having to sit and watch those games in the &quot;chill&quot; of SF weather vs nice and comfy indoors at The Oracle.

You want &quot;loud&quot;? AT&amp;T is plenty &quot;loud&quot; (electric), and when the Giants have reached the postseason we&#039;re talking over-the-top &quot;loud&quot;.

Again, these same fans that fill AT&amp;T aren&#039;t just from SF, they&#039;re from all points north, south and east, which mirrors the situation in Oakland for Warriors&#039; games. 

The Bay Area has the absolute best fans ANYWHERE. That fact is on display year-round at both AT&amp;T Park and Oracle Arena. Forget about the zip codes, they&#039;re absolutely meaningless if we&#039;re talking local fan support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the Warriors had been in SF all this time, there is no way the Warriors are in the top 10 in league wide attendance. There is no way ‘We Believe’ 07 happens with the type of fan support that was the envy of the entire NBA.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fans who have filled Oracle over the many years have come from all over the greater Bay Area and NoCal. And those very same fans have filled AT&amp;T Park in SF since it opened for business some 12 years ago.</p>
<p>In case you haven&#8217;t noticed the Giants are currently working on a sellout streak that has now reached over 100 games. And compared to the Warriors we&#8217;re talking apples and oranges given the fact the Giants play twice as many home games per season than do the Warriors, not to mention having to sit and watch those games in the &#8220;chill&#8221; of SF weather vs nice and comfy indoors at The Oracle.</p>
<p>You want &#8220;loud&#8221;? AT&amp;T is plenty &#8220;loud&#8221; (electric), and when the Giants have reached the postseason we&#8217;re talking over-the-top &#8220;loud&#8221;.</p>
<p>Again, these same fans that fill AT&amp;T aren&#8217;t just from SF, they&#8217;re from all points north, south and east, which mirrors the situation in Oakland for Warriors&#8217; games. </p>
<p>The Bay Area has the absolute best fans ANYWHERE. That fact is on display year-round at both AT&amp;T Park and Oracle Arena. Forget about the zip codes, they&#8217;re absolutely meaningless if we&#8217;re talking local fan support.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 05:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Matier &amp; Ross:
 
The big sell: The Golden State Warriors did some pretty extensive polling to lay the groundwork for their big rollout pitch for a waterfront arena – and the best talking points were found to be no public money, no new taxes and the promise of construction jobs.
 
Ironically, the lowest-scoring argument for building the arena was that it would mean a return of the Warriors to San Francisco.
 
As for East Bay blowback over leaving Oakland, 66 percent of the 606 voters surveyed in Alameda and Contra Costa counties said they supported the idea of an arena in San Francisco.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Matier &amp; Ross:</p>
<p>The big sell: The Golden State Warriors did some pretty extensive polling to lay the groundwork for their big rollout pitch for a waterfront arena – and the best talking points were found to be no public money, no new taxes and the promise of construction jobs.</p>
<p>Ironically, the lowest-scoring argument for building the arena was that it would mean a return of the Warriors to San Francisco.</p>
<p>As for East Bay blowback over leaving Oakland, 66 percent of the 606 voters surveyed in Alameda and Contra Costa counties said they supported the idea of an arena in San Francisco.</p>
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