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Baylor’s Perry Jones and Kentucky’s Terrence Jones May Have Proved No. 7 to Be Too High for Them

NOTE: I’m hearing Tyler Zeller looked pretty good Monday. He showed he was more than the interior defender/post player. He can step outside the key and shoot it. He’s a smart player with some real skills to go with his 7-foot, 247-pound frame. Apparently, he kinda gave Vanderbilt defensive specialist Festus Ezeli the business.

No. 7 is probably too high for Zeller, and he likely won’t last until No. 30. But if the Warriors are unhappy with their options at No. 7, they could move down and Zeller would be in play.

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When all was said and done Monday, neither Baylor’s Perry Jones nor Kentucky’s Terrence Jones wowed Warriors management, according to sources. They’re good players with top-level talent, sure. And both played well. But they didn’t do enough to make the Warriors fall in love, which is probably what had to happen for either of them to be the  No. 7 overall pick.

Both players still have one major question hanging over their heads: can they play small forward at the NBA level? Neither answered that question, at least not definitively, with their performance in Monday’s workout, which means No. 7 may be too high for either.

The Warriors are hoping to use their lottery pick to upgrade the small forward position, their biggest need in the starting lineup. (They can then use their three other picks plus the mid-level exception to address the frontcourt depth they need.) But both Joneses are missing some of the elements of their game the Warriors are looking for in a small forward.

Both players, however, said they could play either position at the NBA level. While many consider their ‘tweener status a knock, they called it a bonus to their game.

Multiple sources said both fit best at power forward. Their size certainly fit that mold.

Perry Jones measured at 6-foot-11, 234 pounds and was clearly no longer the wiry athlete who once stood out at Baylor. Terrence Jones — 6-foot-9, 250 pounds — looked ready to bang in the NBA while still boasting some perimeter fluidity.

But Golden State is already set at power forward with David Lee. Warriors general manager Bob Myers has said he would hope to get a starter with the No. 7 pick. With several power forward options available later in the draft, Golden State doesn’t have to draft one of the Joneses at No. 7 – unless they are convinced one of them will be a formidable power forward worth waiting to develop.

One team source said Perry Jones is in the race, but he’s not a front runner. Another Warriors source rated the Baylor sophomore above Terrence Jones, though the Warriors’ camp likes the Kentucky star. But both are at risk of being trumped by future prospects. Ohio State power forward Jared Sullinger is scheduled to come in. Golden State is still hoping to workout North Carolina’s Harrison Barnes, who is projected to be a better SF at the NBA level.

Even if Golden State wants one of the Joneses, the smarter move may be to trade down and get them and pick up additional resources in the process. Both players could drop since, despite being noted  talents, because more defined players are climbing up the draft board. PFs such as Sullinger, North Carolina’s John Henson and Mississippi State’s Arnett Moultrie are more truer power forwards though they don’t have the Joneses upside.

 

Marcus Thompson

  • Niners in 2012

    PASS on Zeller.

    You do NOT draft a senior top 10.

    There’s a reason these guys play 4 years, they were never good enough to make the jump.

    Look at recent history of teams taking Seniors in the top 10: Jimmer Freddette, Terrance Williams, Acie Law, Sheldon Williams, Randy Foye, Channing Frye, Rafael Araujo, Luke Jackson.

  • Cambodian Soldier

    I would trade down and take terrance Jones.

    Also like royce white game.

  • dknight.007

    Yep. This is where the W’s over analyze and mess up when it comes to drafting.

    Perry Jones more of PF at the 4 spot than a athletic SF at the 3 in the NBA??

    That is crazy talk IMO.

    The W’s will NOT get a starter in this draft at the 7 spot, they need to realize that and then go for the player with with the best upside at the 7 spot.

    That player is PERRY JONES…..period!

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  • sartre

    How is Terrence Jones a tweener? He is about the same height as Lee (maybe slightly taller without shoes) and heavier. Drafting sites compare his height and reach to Al Horford and Stoudamire – but with more weight.

  • dereksmithfan

    Trade down (Houston?) and pick up Royce White and Jeff Taylor. Smart, multi-talented, physical players who will fit well with Bogut, Klay, Lee, and Curry. Plenty of big men to pick up at 30, and in round 2.

  • deano

    MTII: Hopefully your sources are blowing smoke. It is not that I favor one of the Joneses, or Zeller. Rather, I hope the FO values disinformation in its quest for the players it really wants. I always liked the story about Jerry West’s clandestine scouting of Kobe and trading of Vlade. There was a lot of disinformation in that escapade.

  • http://thecity2.com EvanZ

    “But Golden State is already set at power forward with David Lee. Warriors general manager Bob Myers has said he would hope to get a starter with the No. 7 pick.”

    More like “stuck at power forward”.

  • Smitty

    There will be a lot of smokescreens set in the next week, and much snakeoil will be consumed.

  • Gswfan24

    Royce White has an anxiety disorder and fear of flights…that could be hard to overcome over an 82 game season

  • Gswfan24

    I say they get BPA, Damian Lillard…then go big at pick 30

  • Warriors

    @Niners in 2012 Says:
    June 11th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    PASS on Zeller.

    “You do NOT draft a senior top 10.

    There’s a reason these guys play 4 years, they were never good enough to make the jump.

    Look at recent history of teams taking Seniors in the top 10: Jimmer Freddette, Terrance Williams, Acie Law, Sheldon Williams, Randy Foye, Channing Frye, Rafael Araujo, Luke Jackson.”

    What about Brandon Roy?

  • JRidah

    We will attract the best free agents cause we have the best clubs anywhere and its all about the clubs!

  • rotfogel

    Would the Warriors tell everyone that they’ve fallen in love with a player at this stage of the draft? hopefully not…well, they DID try that smokescreen two drafts ago when they “fell in love” with Greg Monroe only to “fool” everyone and take craphouse Epke Udoh! Wow, got us that time! Look at the brains on them! I hope they hold their cards close to the vest and pleasantly fool me…as a fan I like to be fooled when it’s pleasantly fooled, not Epic DooDoo fooled.

  • moreaufan2

    They wont be able to get Lilard but I would love to see them do that as well. But I say if harrison barnes is on the board, you get him??? then possibly trade him for a veteran like Rudy Gay!!! hahaha! But I agre T. Jones and Perry Jones arent able to play the 3 at this level in my eyes, but neverhteless can play ball. Not sold on Royce right at all though!!

  • Flunkster Dude

    T.Jones reminds me of Brandon Bass. Whoever they go with it better be a good defender at 3 spot. #1 Question: Who’s gona guard Durant / LeBron. If Warriors aiming to be in the running ( just for argument sake ), they better get someone who can guard top tier SFs in the league.

    They already missed Kawhi with last pick. I cant believe how spin machine made out Klay Thompson a good pick, but oh well.. Here is another chance.

  • anhdazman

    Neither of the Jones are worthy of the #7 pick. Zeller’s draft stock has also moved up, but also too high at #7. Let some other team fall in love with these guys and trade up.
    @ PG-Curry has to stay healthy. Charles Jenkins doesn’t look like anything special, but you can’t give up after 1 year (Think Jeremy Lin). Nate Robinson a fan favorite and good veteran off the bench that can help for short stretches. Hard to imagine GSW drafting a PG high, maybe an international player and let him play over seas.
    @ SG-Klay Thompson has a lot of potential, but lacks any defensive game. Rush is a good player off the bench, but 4 years in he still hasn’t shown any star quality. SG is a need pick for depth and someone that can play defense at the 2 spot.
    @ SF-Wright\Wright\Jeffereson\McGuire-Dorrell and Jeffereson are scorers. Not much defense. McGuire is all defense hard worker, but is a big liability on offense. Chris Wright is raw and is a 10-12 man on the roster. SF is probably the highest need in this year’s draft.
    @ PF-David Lee is a wily ole vet that plays his heart out. Need guys like this on the team. Chris W. and McGuire helps, at PF but are both raw player. Adding a quality PF would be nice.
    @ C-Bogut needs to stay healthy (De ja vu!). Biedrins is terrible, the sooner he is traded or gone, the better. Jeremy Tyler is young and raw. (Can’t cut just yet.)

  • Young

    This draft is truly great, but a tease. Only 4 great prospects and a TON of guys with talent.
    Waiters – Credible people compare him to Wade (i know..)
    Beal – Is a beast
    Kendall Marshall – has talent, cant tell me you wouldnt trade steph (with his bad ankle)
    the jones’…and on and on

    Why not trade back get 2 more picks (houston has 14 and 16) then you get 2 guesses at it. Only Jerry West can pretend to know if these guys are going to pan out…

    ***Our areas of need are back up Center (who can start), Back up power forward, back up 2 guard who cna penetrate and back up point guard (who can start).

  • Yoda

    Biggest area of need is the three spot. Hands down.

  • Young

    IMHO – If you have 5 need areas, which the warriors do (back up 1, back up 2, starting 3, back up 4, back up 5), you have too many needs to target one…Your need is quality depth

  • http://aol Socalwarfan1

    By the time the draft rolls around, Tyler Zeller will probable go in the 8 – 10 spots. If the Warriors really want him they will be forced to use the 7th pick.
    With Bogut being an unknown as far as his health is concerned, Zeller is not a bad pick.
    The Warriors need a good backup Center and a good backup Point Guard more than they need a 3/Small Forward. Too bad they can’t pull off obtaining Damian Lillard or Kendall Marshal and either Tyler Zeller or Meyers Leonard.
    Warrior fans have waited so long, I would rather slowly build a contender than trade all the marbles for a veteran that may only be at the top of his game for 2 or 3 years.

  • SoloD

    James, Wade and Bosh.
    Durant, Westbrook and Harden.
    What 3 Warriors would we stack up against these threesomes?
    We need to field a bigger and better frontcourt in order to compete.. take Drummond, Henson or Moultrie. Be the Beasts By the Bay!

  • roadster

    Move Thompson to SF if we can’t pull a trade of if Barnes is unavailable at 7. Then we can draft a starting SG. I think Ross, Rivers, and Fourier are available below 10th pick. Kendall Marshall is an excellent point guard. I do not mind him over Curry. I think Marshall can make Biedrens and other players better. Curry plays like a shooting guard. So lots of Warriors options and surprises in this draft.

  • Cambodian Soldier

    There are a handful of players I don’t mind the warriors drafting.

    Not necessarily at 7.

    T Jones.
    P Jones.
    Rivers.
    Any big except for Tyler z.
    Royce white.
    Etc.

    Players I don’t want are Tyler z
    Harrison Barnes.
    Henson.
    I don’t understand the fascination with Kidd gilcrist or kendall Marshall.

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  • haastheman

    Trade up, Trade down, or trade out, but 7 may not hold the player for us. I really like trading up for Drummond, except he was the worst free throw shooter in college last year. I like Barnes, but he can’t create his own shot, and we’d have to trade up to get him. I think the best thing to do may be trading down for a center. Maybe Leonard or Zellar, Melo may be available with our late first, but he may not be much different from tyler.

    With either, or both, our late first-rounder or early second we could go after a SF like

    Q Miller
    Dramond Green
    Darius Miller
    Kris Middleton

    * Not sure why, but i kinda like the idea of having another 2nd generation player like A. Rivers too.

  • Andre

    if barnes falls to us we have to draft him. i can live with terrence jones but a BIG no to perry. ive always felt MKG is the best fit 4 our team more so than barnes. if & thats a big if we can package a deal with the bobcats to land the 2 pick i think id pull that trigger.

  • moreaufan2

    I like T Jones because of the way he can defend big sf and SG.I like barnes cux he can score! I like Lilliard cuz i dont believe in Curry as the starting PG, cuz he cant penetrate, he is slow footed and only shoots jumpers. which i love, but he should come off the bench.

  • moreaufan2

    We dont need to think about offense we got that from Wright the first year he was here but not enough toughness on D

  • moreaufan2

    Perry jones seems like another A Randolph to me!Jones seems like the true frak of nature. I like him but he can develop more offense as time goes on, but he can defend

  • Niners in 2012

    what about Brandon Roy? one senior in the last 9 years drafted in the top 10 mattered, and he was forced to retire early.

  • Niners in 2012

    Anthony Randolph weighed 195 lbs his rookie year. I think its encouraging PJones is already 238 lbs.

  • Niners in 2012

    Tyler Zeller has alligator arms, his wingspan is shorter than his height! And his standing reach is lower than some wing players(like MKG). That’s not good. His rebounding won’t translate, he will get overwhelmed by taller, longer athletes at the next level.

    http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2012&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=NBA%20Draft%20Combine&sort=6

  • dknight.007

    Socalwarfan1 Says:
    June 12th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    By the time the draft rolls around, Tyler Zeller will probable go in the 8 – 10 spots. If the Warriors really want him they will be forced to use the 7th pick.
    With Bogut being an unknown as far as his health is concerned, Zeller is not a bad pick.
    The Warriors need a good backup Center and a good backup Point Guard more than they need a 3/Small Forward. Too bad they can’t pull off obtaining Damian Lillard or Kendall Marshal and either Tyler Zeller or Meyers Leonard.
    Warrior fans have waited so long, I would rather slowly build a contender than trade all the marbles for a veteran that may only be at the top of his game for 2 or 3 years.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Perry Jones should be the pick at 7! Hands down! If the W’s don’t pick him, he will make the W’s look stupid again and he will excel with which ever team does picks him.

    Perry Jones is NOT Randolph, he has the potential to be more like Durant than anything.

    Zeller, Sullinger and Drummond would be absolute TERRIBLE picks by the W’s at 7! Waste picks!

    Jones 3 or Barnes should be the pick at 7….no to Terrance Jones, who is more of a tweener.

    Perry Jones can develop into an outstanding 3 within 2 years me thinks.

  • dknight.007

    NBA Draft Rumors for June 12, 2012 | Roundball Direct Says:
    June 12th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    [...] level. While many consider their ‘tweener status a knock, they called it a bonus to their game. Multiple sources said both fit best at power forward. Their size certainly fit that mold. Contra Costa Times One team source said Perry Jones is in the race, but he’s not a front

    ^^^^^^^^
    Those team sources know what they are talking about when they say Perry Jones is very much in the race for the #7 pick!

    Perry Jones has the upside, athleticism and skillset this team needs to compliment everyone else on that squad. Just need to be patient.

  • SF Warriors

    If you’re playing with house money as the Warriors are by keeping the 7th pick, and you don’t expect to be picking that high again for a while, you damn sure better use it on a potential all-star big man! The idea that they desperately need a small forward is ridiculous. Drummond, Leonard, or possibally Sullinger should be the pick.

  • http://www.warriorsworks.blogspot.com Pointman

    I’d take either one of the Joneses or take a good look at Moe Harkless.

    Terrence Jones might be the size of a PF, but he has the skills (former PG) to man SF as well. His versatility will allow for greater flexibility during games. Could turn himself into a tough, starting SF or Lee’s primary backup, adding more rebounding, shot-blocking, and girth at the 4.

    Perry Jones has more upside and from the looks of it, would probably have an easier time transitioning to SF. He’s a freak athlete and skies the limit for him. With good coaching and more experience he could be a steal.

    I also like Moe Harkless because he’s proven in college that he can excel in two areas I think the Warriors are looking for in their SF: rebounding and defense. Harkless has ideal SF size and plenty of upside. He could be a safer pick than the Joneses, with less reward. #7 would be a reach, but if the Warriors think he’s a guy worth developing, screw what the mocks say.

    Speaking of mocks, here’s my first attempt:
    http://warriorsworks.blogspot.com/2012/06/2012-mock-draft-10.html