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		<title>By: Black-White Kidd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black-White Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@22-Derek:

Varejao isn&#039;t a FA until 2015.  Bogut is a top 3 C and one of the few starters willing to put the team over everything.  It looks like you just copied and pasted your fantasy stuff there man.  The W&#039;s are a squad and more than I think anyone really thought they were. 

Any player who isn&#039;t worried about their own statline but is worried about the W, is a top five C at very least.  That&#039;s an attribute you can&#039;t get from many players whatsoever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22-Derek:</p>
<p>Varejao isn&#8217;t a FA until 2015.  Bogut is a top 3 C and one of the few starters willing to put the team over everything.  It looks like you just copied and pasted your fantasy stuff there man.  The W&#8217;s are a squad and more than I think anyone really thought they were. </p>
<p>Any player who isn&#8217;t worried about their own statline but is worried about the W, is a top five C at very least.  That&#8217;s an attribute you can&#8217;t get from many players whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adding Anderson Varejao makes the Warriors serious Championship contenders over night.  A guy like that is the missing link.  Move past Bogut.  Cleveland is going nowhere, they may be open to taking Beidrens expiring contract and a first round pick.

I neglected to add his name to the list of Centers better than Bogut.  Varejo is actually a top 3 center, averaging 14 pts and 14 rebounds on a pathetic team]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding Anderson Varejao makes the Warriors serious Championship contenders over night.  A guy like that is the missing link.  Move past Bogut.  Cleveland is going nowhere, they may be open to taking Beidrens expiring contract and a first round pick.</p>
<p>I neglected to add his name to the list of Centers better than Bogut.  Varejo is actually a top 3 center, averaging 14 pts and 14 rebounds on a pathetic team</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When a big guy like Bogut breaks down, it&#039;s over career wise.  How many bigs have any of you people known who have recovered from longterm injuries and regained their previous abilities.  Do you people live in the real world.  Chalk Bogut up as a loss and move forward.  The Dubs may be able to unload the guy for a bag of balls and free up future cap space.  Other than that the guy is nothing more than a mirage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a big guy like Bogut breaks down, it&#8217;s over career wise.  How many bigs have any of you people known who have recovered from longterm injuries and regained their previous abilities.  Do you people live in the real world.  Chalk Bogut up as a loss and move forward.  The Dubs may be able to unload the guy for a bag of balls and free up future cap space.  Other than that the guy is nothing more than a mirage.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#2 aka Gizzim; put down the crack pipe.  Bogut is nowhere close to being the 3rd best center in the league.  He&#039;s actually have trouble cracking the top 10.  He sure made a big difference in Milwaukee, they sucked with and without him.

Now is actually a great time to trade for a good athletic center.  Simply making the playoffs is for loser mentality types.  The team should be playing for a championship, not simply making the playoffs. Being average should never be a goal.

BTW: 1. Dwight Howard 
2. Al Jefferson
3. DeMarcus Cousins 
4. Andrew Bynum 
5. Marc Gasol 
6. Chris Bosh,  
7. Al Horford 
8. Greg Monroe 
9. Tyson Chandler
10. Brook Lopez
11. Roy Hibbard

Are all better than Bogut.  In fact Horford would be a great addition to the Warriors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2 aka Gizzim; put down the crack pipe.  Bogut is nowhere close to being the 3rd best center in the league.  He&#8217;s actually have trouble cracking the top 10.  He sure made a big difference in Milwaukee, they sucked with and without him.</p>
<p>Now is actually a great time to trade for a good athletic center.  Simply making the playoffs is for loser mentality types.  The team should be playing for a championship, not simply making the playoffs. Being average should never be a goal.</p>
<p>BTW: 1. Dwight Howard<br />
2. Al Jefferson<br />
3. DeMarcus Cousins<br />
4. Andrew Bynum<br />
5. Marc Gasol<br />
6. Chris Bosh,<br />
7. Al Horford<br />
8. Greg Monroe<br />
9. Tyson Chandler<br />
10. Brook Lopez<br />
11. Roy Hibbard</p>
<p>Are all better than Bogut.  In fact Horford would be a great addition to the Warriors.</p>
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		<title>By: Black-White Kidd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black-White Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcus, why not jam up Myers a bit?  

In my mind while reading this is a nagging itch to punch someone.  I sit here reading and feel like Myers is lying right to my face.  And he is.  

The W&#039;s had nothing for Monta and are a better team without him.  Curry needs to mature as a player and he is already moving along at a much higher pace than in the past.  Besides, Monta would have been a huge sideshow had the W&#039;s not traded him.  He asked for it on the dawn of the deadline.  People seem to forget that.

All that said, lets look at the positive:

Festus Ezeli is getting his share of minutes as a rookie and looking like one of the best picks of the second round and maybe the draft per value.  Barnes has also come out strong.  Klay Thompson is starting to hit his shots again and Curry is looking like a premiere PG.  We&#039;re exceptionally young, but exceptionally talented, and Bogut is just a bonus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus, why not jam up Myers a bit?  </p>
<p>In my mind while reading this is a nagging itch to punch someone.  I sit here reading and feel like Myers is lying right to my face.  And he is.  </p>
<p>The W&#8217;s had nothing for Monta and are a better team without him.  Curry needs to mature as a player and he is already moving along at a much higher pace than in the past.  Besides, Monta would have been a huge sideshow had the W&#8217;s not traded him.  He asked for it on the dawn of the deadline.  People seem to forget that.</p>
<p>All that said, lets look at the positive:</p>
<p>Festus Ezeli is getting his share of minutes as a rookie and looking like one of the best picks of the second round and maybe the draft per value.  Barnes has also come out strong.  Klay Thompson is starting to hit his shots again and Curry is looking like a premiere PG.  We&#8217;re exceptionally young, but exceptionally talented, and Bogut is just a bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: rockridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>rockridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a little confused about the whole situation overall...Bogut says he doesn&#039;t want to &quot;fool anyone&quot; but yet it&#039;s not the Warrior&#039;s fault for &quot;misleading&quot; fans either? 

What concrete timetable for his return was set in the first place? I assumed Bogut was out &quot;indefinitely&quot; the entire time and never heard of any real timetable. By implying fan&#039;s were &quot;fooled&quot; he is making this situation worse and sinister.   

He says: &quot;So we’re not going to set any more timelines. Right now, when it’s ready, it’s ready.&quot; Who is the &quot;we&quot; he speaks of? If it&#039;s partly the front office the Warriors are partially to blame -- if the &quot;we&quot; is just him and his agent he needs to be a man a say &quot;I&quot; not &quot;we.&quot;   

If no one was lying then why come out seemingly apologizing, and imply fan&#039;s were being &quot;fooled?&quot; I like Bogut, and loved the trade for him but in my opinion this was mostly a mistake on Bogut&#039;s part. He&#039;s apologizing about being vague on his injury -- by being even more vague about who did what. 

Note to Andrew: You&#039;ve been traded for a widely popular fan favorite, to a young team under new ownership with a new GM and head coach, with extremely impatient and frustrated fan&#039;s, and you are injured and labeled injury prone...This is about the worst situation in history to imply that your fans are being &quot;fooled&quot; in any way. 

If Andrew can&#039;t handle the pressure of playing for the Golden State Warriors in rebuilding mode -- maybe he doesn&#039;t need to be in the NBA at all. So he&#039;s been injured his entire career...He&#039;s admitting that he injured himself further prolonging his absence...He&#039;s implying fan&#039;s were &quot;fooled&quot; (mostly by him and his agent)...And now he&#039;s trying to take the highroad for coming clean? 

Like I said I like Bogut and I am not going to give up on him, but there&#039;s a reason why the Milwaukee Bucks moved on from this guy. He&#039;s been in the league too long at this point and is too unproven to be injuring himself by bad decisions.   

Lacob needs to quit planning his Utopian space station pet project on Pier 32 -- and worry about getting his core players in uniform not in street clothes, and not making bold promises to the media he can&#039;t deliver.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little confused about the whole situation overall&#8230;Bogut says he doesn&#8217;t want to &#8220;fool anyone&#8221; but yet it&#8217;s not the Warrior&#8217;s fault for &#8220;misleading&#8221; fans either? </p>
<p>What concrete timetable for his return was set in the first place? I assumed Bogut was out &#8220;indefinitely&#8221; the entire time and never heard of any real timetable. By implying fan&#8217;s were &#8220;fooled&#8221; he is making this situation worse and sinister.   </p>
<p>He says: &#8220;So we’re not going to set any more timelines. Right now, when it’s ready, it’s ready.&#8221; Who is the &#8220;we&#8221; he speaks of? If it&#8217;s partly the front office the Warriors are partially to blame &#8212; if the &#8220;we&#8221; is just him and his agent he needs to be a man a say &#8220;I&#8221; not &#8220;we.&#8221;   </p>
<p>If no one was lying then why come out seemingly apologizing, and imply fan&#8217;s were being &#8220;fooled?&#8221; I like Bogut, and loved the trade for him but in my opinion this was mostly a mistake on Bogut&#8217;s part. He&#8217;s apologizing about being vague on his injury &#8212; by being even more vague about who did what. </p>
<p>Note to Andrew: You&#8217;ve been traded for a widely popular fan favorite, to a young team under new ownership with a new GM and head coach, with extremely impatient and frustrated fan&#8217;s, and you are injured and labeled injury prone&#8230;This is about the worst situation in history to imply that your fans are being &#8220;fooled&#8221; in any way. </p>
<p>If Andrew can&#8217;t handle the pressure of playing for the Golden State Warriors in rebuilding mode &#8212; maybe he doesn&#8217;t need to be in the NBA at all. So he&#8217;s been injured his entire career&#8230;He&#8217;s admitting that he injured himself further prolonging his absence&#8230;He&#8217;s implying fan&#8217;s were &#8220;fooled&#8221; (mostly by him and his agent)&#8230;And now he&#8217;s trying to take the highroad for coming clean? </p>
<p>Like I said I like Bogut and I am not going to give up on him, but there&#8217;s a reason why the Milwaukee Bucks moved on from this guy. He&#8217;s been in the league too long at this point and is too unproven to be injuring himself by bad decisions.   </p>
<p>Lacob needs to quit planning his Utopian space station pet project on Pier 32 &#8212; and worry about getting his core players in uniform not in street clothes, and not making bold promises to the media he can&#8217;t deliver.</p>
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		<title>By: Ewok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ewok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think some reactions in the forum is a bit exagerated.

First of all, What difference would Monta Ellis make in this situation? 24 to 30 wins? Come on guys!

Nobody lied. The Front office merely gave a time table based on optimism and hope. That&#039;s all... Just like Bogut himself, we are all impatient. But its something we need to learn in dealing with.. 


Should we blame the front office for capitalizing on optimism and potential of a rare talented big Man? Bogut has a serious injury but he is not damaged goods.. We have a Medical Team that examined it.. What&#039;s the fuss?  It&#039;s just taking a bit of time to heal..


I think people are missing the reality points of injuries, especially major injuries... and it is what it is...

Frankly, I actually think the Front office is aware something like this will happen and sure enough, they had a Plan B on the matter... in the person of Ezeli... not to mention project, Jeremy Tyler... It&#039;s not like they gambled for nothing.. 

The result of giving up Monta Ellis, wasn&#039;t really Bogut alone, It was the acquisition of Ezeli, Green and Barnes and all of them are doing spectacular jobs.. Without these three, would we be able to entice Jack and Landry? I don&#039;t think so...  and we have a winning record so far due to these changes.. so i think its best to simply stick to the plan and take advantage of the exposure Barnes, Ezeli and Green are getting..

So Kudos to the Front Office led by Jerry West not only for managing the team to the present but also in anticipation of the future....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some reactions in the forum is a bit exagerated.</p>
<p>First of all, What difference would Monta Ellis make in this situation? 24 to 30 wins? Come on guys!</p>
<p>Nobody lied. The Front office merely gave a time table based on optimism and hope. That&#8217;s all&#8230; Just like Bogut himself, we are all impatient. But its something we need to learn in dealing with.. </p>
<p>Should we blame the front office for capitalizing on optimism and potential of a rare talented big Man? Bogut has a serious injury but he is not damaged goods.. We have a Medical Team that examined it.. What&#8217;s the fuss?  It&#8217;s just taking a bit of time to heal..</p>
<p>I think people are missing the reality points of injuries, especially major injuries&#8230; and it is what it is&#8230;</p>
<p>Frankly, I actually think the Front office is aware something like this will happen and sure enough, they had a Plan B on the matter&#8230; in the person of Ezeli&#8230; not to mention project, Jeremy Tyler&#8230; It&#8217;s not like they gambled for nothing.. </p>
<p>The result of giving up Monta Ellis, wasn&#8217;t really Bogut alone, It was the acquisition of Ezeli, Green and Barnes and all of them are doing spectacular jobs.. Without these three, would we be able to entice Jack and Landry? I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;  and we have a winning record so far due to these changes.. so i think its best to simply stick to the plan and take advantage of the exposure Barnes, Ezeli and Green are getting..</p>
<p>So Kudos to the Front Office led by Jerry West not only for managing the team to the present but also in anticipation of the future&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And this folks is why trading Monta for Bogut was a bad trade.  Can I get some more boos please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this folks is why trading Monta for Bogut was a bad trade.  Can I get some more boos please.</p>
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		<title>By: nickj</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s all I want to say as well because the truth will come out and you cannot be trusted and their words become a pile of Cohan as was said by Deano. That can&#039;t be good but as long as we&#039;re payin,  mgmt will tap dance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s all I want to say as well because the truth will come out and you cannot be trusted and their words become a pile of Cohan as was said by Deano. That can&#8217;t be good but as long as we&#8217;re payin,  mgmt will tap dance.</p>
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		<title>By: McFadden60</title>
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		<dc:creator>McFadden60</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with Deano. There may be nothing sinister to this, but then why lie? For that matter, why lie about Rush tearing his mcl as well as his acl? W&#039;s fans a loyal to a fault and beyond. We&#039;re still gonna baahh...I mean buy tickets. At least give us the respect of the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Deano. There may be nothing sinister to this, but then why lie? For that matter, why lie about Rush tearing his mcl as well as his acl? W&#8217;s fans a loyal to a fault and beyond. We&#8217;re still gonna baahh&#8230;I mean buy tickets. At least give us the respect of the truth.</p>
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