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Dwight Howard is a Long Shot for Warriors, but Worth A Shot

It only makes sense the Warriors get mentioned in the third annual Dwight Howard saga. They had cameos in the first two and they were awful. Now, Golden State is a successful, attractive destination in the NBA. And even though he doesn’t need to these days, co-owner Joe Lacob still loves the pursuit of the big fish.

So the fact that reports surfaced about Howard being interested in the Warriors is expected, if not redundant.

But is this even possible? Sure. In the same way it was possible for the Warriors to win a title. Except there were a few MAJOR obstacles in the way, namely San Antonio, Memphis and Miami. Golden State’s acquisition of Howard too has major obstacles. The first one being it’s only late May so the likelihood is Howard has NO IDEA what he wants yet.

Here are some other obstacles:

* The Warriors cannot sign Dwight Howard. Their salary for 2013-14 is up over $75 million, which would likely put them into the luxury tax (it was $70.3 million this year). So the Warriors won’t have the space to ink Howard to that max deal – which will be the going rate for Howard. That means the only way Golden State can get him is via sign and trade. Houston, Dallas and Atlanta all have the space to offer Howard the max.

* New CBA rules limit the amount of money players can receive in a sign and trade. The maximum number of years allowed in a sign-and-trade is 4. The Lakers can offer Dwight the fifth year. He’d make considerably more money staying in Los Angeles. Usually, NBA players don’t pass up on considerably more money

* A sign-and-trade with the Lakers (which is possible because the Warriors traded Charles Jenkins and Jeremy Tyler to get under the cap) would require the Warriors to return some $20 million worth of salary to the Lakers. Since Los Angeles GM Mitch Kupchak is pretty good at what he does, he probably won’t take Andris Biedrins or Richard Jefferson in return. That means Andrew Bogut or David Lee would have to be involved in the deal. If you’re the Lakers, who would you want?

If the Lakers took Bogut, that would probably work for the Warriors. It would cost them Harrison Barnes or Klay Thompson. But they’d be getting the best center in the NBA. Bogut only has one year left, so he wouldn’t hurt the Lakers long term plans. But you’d have to consider this: why would Howard sign-and-trade to the Warriors for the same amount of money he could get with Houston? The Warriors would weaken the supporting cast to get Howard. Houston, being under the cap, wouldn’t have to do that. Neither would Atlanta. And Dallas has the ability to sign Howard and another really good player to put with him and Dirk Nowitzki.

* Dwight Howard has proven to be a polarizing figure who drama seems to follow. A big part of Warriors’ success was chemistry. It seems pretty risky to add that element to the locker room. How will he respond when the Warriors are jacking up 3-pointers instead of dumping the ball to him?

With all that said, if you’re the Warriors you have to be talked OUT of obtaining Howard if you can.  Bogut showed Golden State exactly what life could be like with a legitimate defensive presence in the middle. But Bogut also showed the Warriors he may not eve be 100 percent again. Dwight Howard is not only a great defender in the middle, he also gives the Warriors some offense at that position.

As bad as he was last season, he is still the best center in the game. And if you’re talking about winning a championship, Howard is the best answer to the Spurs, the Grizzlies, the Clippers, the Heat and the Bulls.

Another interesting note to remember: Dwight Howard was once deeply religious. His dad is a minister and Howard came into the league saying he was going to save the NBA. Not sure where he is on that end now, but he might view a preacher coach and fellow Christian teammates as a plus.

Marcus Thompson

  • Mike

    All this talk about Bogut’s health, what about Howard’s health? He was not 100 percent healthy all year. Should not his health be a question mark? The guy is immature and does not know what the heck he wants. Why not try and play with Lakers and Kobe for two more years to win a championship? Pretty much a no-brainer except Dwight can’t handle being second to Kobe. Guess what, Dwight won’t be number one in Oakland either. Pleeeease Ws, don’t even consider Dwight Howard. You guys have something special started that may last for a while. Don’t ruin it on a primadonna.

  • http://Yahoo Louisville76

    I was reading the LA article regarding this earlier on BR. He’s already complaining to Kupchak about D’Antoni and how he is (under) utilized in the offense. We’re fine with who we have currently on the roster and they have good chemistry with each other. No need to bring in a cancer like Howard.

  • itsagreattimeout

    the Christian team thing might be the one thing that no other team can top. It all depends on how important that is to him.

  • J Canseco

    Headcase.

  • Niners in 2012

    This team BADLY needs a bigman who can command double teams. Our shooters are handcuffed right now. And sorry, but a healthy Bogut and DLee don’t get that much attention.

  • bill

    dwighthoward is a cancer

  • Grey Warden

    If he comes to the Warriors, it would just be like a similar version to him being in Orlando. Lots of 3 point shooters around him.

    I said in another thread that the chances of Warriors getting him are very very low. Don’t know why everyone’s getting so worked up over this. If the Warriors were in his top 5 destinations, they would be #5 on that list.

    Also thought Howard was planning on getting David Lee back for the elbow or shove or whatever it was. I still haven’t seen it yet.

  • RamboRaider

    If we had Dwight on our team we’d be on our way to a title right now. Bogut defends but has no inside game, he looked timid after setting screens and rolling to the hoop like he didnt want the ball or was scared of getting his shot blocked when he’s 7ft. Yes orlando surrounded him with shooters but those shooters were never as good as ours and the attention steph will demand will only free him up to do so much. With the dubs he’ll have better teamates (chemistry), better fanbase (more supportive), and a coach that will utilize him to his strenghts not a system. Howard would do wonders for this team, if the dubs can make it happen I say go for it. Id trade klay before id trade harrison though.

  • Oakland Stroke

    Not gonna happen. Not gonna do it.

    I think Lacob, Myers, et al are smart enough not to try this stunt. I don’t see any positives. I think Bogut is worth another season to see if he will return to form. Giving up any of our other core guys is lunacy.

  • Eddie

    Hell no..Dwight is a soft clown.

  • Young

    hell no…

    Shocked you even mention that guy…

  • gizzm

    do not want

  • deano

    MT2: You speculate that Howard and GSW would be a good fit. Why speculate when we’ve already seen the Bogut, when healthy, is an excellent fit? GSW is no longer so desperate for a big man that it needs to gut a good team to take a flyer on a troubled center. The smarter play is to keep the good team in tact, and give the reliable center an off-season to complete his return to health.

  • Ben Brung

    Over-rated. W’s hopefully saved by a dearth of cap space.

  • Megatron

    Howard is better than Bogut statistically and physically. I’d rather have Howard, at least he could play for 80% of the games as compared to Bogut playing 35% of the games. Bogut may need surgery again for his ankle again, because resting it doesn’t seem to help much. And I would hate to see Bogut turn into Greg Oden.

  • RamboRaider

    Dwight is better than bogut. Dwight carried the magic on his back for many years and almost led them to a title, until this year bogut had only 1 year of playoff experience where his team made no noise at all, bogut cant carry a team Dwight can… Yes he had a bad year on a team that threw a bunch of players together and had no chemistry with a system in which he didnt fit but that doesnt mean hes no longer a great player. He protects the rim as well as bogut but finishes around the rim even better. If the dubs can make a play for him its a no brainer that they should throw their line out there.

  • Dirk Suave

    If it could be done for Beans RJ and a slew of every other year 1st rounders I don see why the Lakers wouldn’t deal. Better to get something than let Howard walk to Dallas, Atlanta or Houston and get nothing. Klay and/or Barnes are not touchable. I’d rather give em DLee vs Bogut. I know David has more range and has been healthier but I like the thought of twin towers down low for the Dubs. Biggest issue would be the hack a guy play. In which case it’d be better to hand LA Bogut.
    And lets remember that DHow and a bunch if 3pt shooters got to the finals once. Our cast would be much better than that team. With DHow the Dubs become one of the best teams in the NBA.

  • http://reesdeag@gmail.com Rich Ryan

    If I was in Kupchak’s spot, I would definitely take Lee and Thompson for Howard. A energetic rebounding hustler/scoring PF and an up an coming pure shooter? two big needs for the Lakers… Howard is always going to be trouble… if they can amnesty Kobe and still keep him for 2014-15, save the 30 million and fatten the bench… by the time Kobe comes back, they are younger overall and contenders again…

  • bigcityballer

    Dwight is apparently a slow learner or he enjoys the attention. Let’s just say Dwight has an interest in every team in the NBA with the exception of whatever team he is currently under contract with. I lost respect for him as a player when he agreed to be a prop in a dunk contest. What self respecting big man would allow someone to dunk on them; he’s a clown incapable of being a team leader! He cares too much about being liked. Good luck to any coach saddled with this one. Try conducting your business affairs like an adult this time.

  • K

    Get the best u can for Howard before its too late.
    -Trade him to GS, yeas I know they’re in the west fuck it.
    -Get Lee, Thompson and pick.
    -Go after George in 2014.
    -Trade Pau next season for two pieces and a pick.
    Total younger, stronger competitive team. Face it’s, there is only one superstar Lebron as it was when Jordan came in and Magic and Bird were on their way out. Kobe is on his way out and there is no 1b. CP3? Spoken for lol. So do the best u can bcuz there is no other superstar in the league. Good players but only one superstar and haunt coming. Hitch your wagon to Dwight and wake up to it and the horse walking off.

  • Rod

    If you’re GS, this trade would make the most sense. You have the best 3pt shooters in the league…. It would only free up Thompson and curry even more.

  • Tim Lawson Sr

    I’m tired of this non-sense, come back or leave but let’s get it over with and move on ! I never thought I would say this but even Andrew Bynum is more mature than Dwight Howard ! Howard needs to grow up !

  • Gary Romes

    I agree with you Marcus, not a good move for the Warriors. Bogut showed us in the playoffs that a good move was made in aquiring him. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And, I don’t see anything broken with the Warriors right now.

  • Grey Warden

    Bogut’s great if he can play, but he’s useless if he can’t. And if he plays only 10-15 min a game, he’s not going to help the Warriors much either since he’ll be done playing by the time the 4th quarter rolls around. The guy was supposed to be ready by the beginning of the season and he turns out to miss 50 games while only getting bench player minutes in the games he does play. I don’t think he’ll ever be 100% healthy again.

  • SouthernFriedWarrior

    Just say no to Dwight Howard. Most Atlanta Hawks fans don’t even want this guy to return to his hometown. He’s a head case and will never be a championship player. Warriors should’ve drafted Drummond and this wouldn’t even be an issue.

  • Mitch

    Forget physical health for a moment. No professional athlete is ever 100 percent healthy, regardless of age, considering the toll put on their bodies with training much less actual seasons ! Howard is as selfish as they get and I can’t imagine the W’s wanting to change the team culture just as they are beginning to play well again for the first time in a generation even if he is considered by some as the premiere player of his position in the league.

  • http://problem ke

    howard on offensive end down low just is not that good right now thats why koby when he came to the lakers suggested he needs to work on that part of his game he has the tools just doesnt understand how to use them or he would have had a lot more passes inside he missed alot of shots in the paint but great on defensve end until he gets frustrated on offense than effort not there

  • Tony

    Dear Dwight,
    Don’t let the door hit you in the rear on the way out. Just go quickly.

  • DA

    This article is worthless b/c it completely overlooks the fact that the Lakers CANNOT take back players in a sign and trade b/c they are well over the cap. So they would let Howard walk before doing a sign and trade.

  • http://HowardtoGoldenStateistheperfectmatch Wayne Runcie

    Howard to Warriors is the perfect choice.

  • Wayne Runcie

    Golden State is the perfect choice for Howard

  • Paul

    Howard has more potential and talent than what has been seen in the NBA for many years.. Maybe back to Olajuwon has the NBA had such a player with those skills. BUT… one thing Howard lacks is competitive spirit and how to be a leader. His work ethic is more about how he looks rather than the game. Great to show boat at Slam Dunk and have fun but he needs to develop his basketball skills and learn how to make good decisions on the floor.

    He would kill the Warriors locker room. His lack of effort in LA just showcased what Orlando saw… gifted but doesn’t have heart. Warriors might not be the most gifted in talent but they competed 99% of the time. They left it on the floor… When has Howard “left it on the floor” ? Especially when his team was losing and needed someone to pick up and lead the team… Sorry not a Howard fan… show me some heart like what Pierce gives in loosing efforts in Bean Town or Wade guys that put it on the line no matter what because they appreciate the game and the challenge.. Howard chose to get thrown out of the last LA playoff game so he didn’t have to play anymore in a loosing situation with all key lakers out.. what kind’of character/heart does that illustrate?

    While Bogut may not have the same skill sets as Howard (need to see Bogut when he’s healthy and has had time to get his game back) he plays with conviction and you won’t ever question his character. Ezeli also has character and is willing to put in the effort to be better. Both guys play for the team and again something I’ve yet to see from Howard. Howard might give you heart when it will make a highlight reel but I’ve yet to see him do it when his team needed it, IMHO.

    So grading Howard: Skills A, Athleticism A, Defense A, Offense A, Heart F, Character C-(maybe D)

  • Grey Warden

    No player may be 100% healthy, but there’s a big difference to being able to play and not being able to play. Bogut falls more in line with the latter than the former.

  • Paul

    One potentially saving grace… As Marcus pointed out in his last paragraph (good article Marcus BTW ;-) , Howard does have a spiritual side to him that maybe has been lost or ? But will he heed the preaching of Jackson and be part of the flock or rebel and try to be his own preacher. There can be only one! (or is that Highlander?) LOL

  • manhattanproj

    the only problem is howard doesn’t want to play the role that bogut played during the playoffs, just being a rim protector, defender, and rebounder.

    for some reason, howard has this false idea of himself as a back to basket dominant scorer who should be fed 30 shots a game.

    he’ll never want to be the playoff bogut or a tyson chandler. he’s not going to be a good fit for this team, unless he changes his mindset.

  • Gregg B*

    DwightvHoward is a big baby and plays with no heart or passion to win a championship anywhere.

    He needs to go workout with Shack and David Robinson to understand how to fill the big man role.

  • Julie

    Would love to have DW for the Clippers (CP3 is a Christian) — of course we’d probably have to give up the whole team sans CP3 and Blake! Plus, we’re trying to find a NBA-winning coach. I believe he would like to stay in LA. Guess, this is a pipe-dream for us…

  • Jay

    klay thompson and bogut for dwight howard. that would still leave us with an elite starting 5. Then we could resign Jack and sign a back up center in the offseason.

    PG- Steph Curry
    sg- Harrison Barnes
    SF- Brandon Rush
    PF- David Lee
    C- Dwight Howard

    DOnt froget brandon rush wa an eliter 3 point shooter, Harrison Barnes does everything klay cant do and has a higher ceiling. The Lakers benefit from this trade because they need an elite shooter. Oh yeah Klay’s dad played for the lakers too (hint hint).

    Lakers Starting 5

    PG- Steve Nash
    SG- Kobe Bryant/ Klay Thompson
    SF- Klay Thompson/ Metta World Peace
    PF- Pau Gasol
    C- Andrew Bogut

  • daniel

    The W’s will have a difficult decision to make when Bogut becomes FA after next season. Bogut will never be healthy again, he is done as full time player so signing Bogut to 3 or 4 yr contract would be risky.

    Next, should the W’s get DH12 assuming they can make the deal? With the W’s, DH12 will play the role he did in Orlando surrounding with 3pt shooters.

    Can they win with DH12? very tough to answer. As we have seen DH12 seems to be very moody. Maybe the preacher coach can help but I don’t know.

    So my vote is a nervous YES for getting DH12.

  • pete maguire

    oh please let this happen, If I were Mitch Kupchak I would take Harrison Barnes and Festus Azili, then look for some future draft picks or guy like Richard Jefferson to round out some numbers. The 2 others that would greatly help the Lakers would be Carl Landry and Jarret Jack- they played incredible for the warriors this year and are steals of the free agency this year. Klay and Lee are almost untouchable for the future of the Warriors but if there was ever a guy that can score and is truly improving it is Klay- doubt that Jerry West wants to boost the Lakers to a top spot on the Western Conference so I think it is unlikely they do any business with LA. Dwight is the most fickle immature ungrounded player in the NBA and a guy like Mark Jackson would do wonders for him in his positive influence and the strength of team that these guys exude. They play with heart and have fun, it would be a great new role for him – Bogut is too fragile to depend on and the truth is he should be release or traded even amnestied. Helps both teams immeasurably, but the Lakers are too stupid to try and will go down hard hoping to see Kobe be Kobe again, good luck with that build now or forget about the future.

  • skeet

    Would beans expiring 9 mil and jeffersons 6…plus lets say bazemores contract be enough free room to sign him without giving up our core and role players?

  • RD

    Bye Dwight drama queen and can’t even catch the ball with his butter fingers acting like LA is his kryptonite more like superwoman is what he is.

  • Timothy

    Once a Laker always a Laker, Dwight

  • Grey Warden

    #23 Skeet,
    Nobody will take that unless the Warriors take back equal money with longer term contracts attached to it. So no, that would not work.

    ———————————–

    Back to Bogut, I keep saying that I doubt Bogut will play more than half a season’s worth of games on starter minutes next season, but then again he’s due for another contract so he might just push himself harder. Kinda like how Baron Davis played through his injuries in order to get that fat contract when he left the Warriors.

  • Sunny

    Howard would bring down the team free throw shooting by 30 percent. I imagine that would nullify his on court benefits to the team. Off the court obviously would be a good boost to the team as far as marketing and merchandising.

  • Stan

    Let me tell all of you what we learned this year. After trading away Monta,and adding Bogut: Yes,the Warriors are a quality team with conventional basketball,Talented guards,a talented power forward,and a dominating big center who rebounds,blocks shots,and can pass.
    After decades of getting propaganda of we don’t need a big man, and that small ball is genius at work. Hell,we were told we didn’t need a star player weren’t we?
    If the Warriors can get Howard then get him. His 17 points a game and 12 rebounds is double what Bogy did..and Howard had a bad old team and he himself had nagging injuries.
    Lee,Curry,Howard..and a backup of Bogut?..THAT’S team that can beat anybody.
    SA is just cruising now..that means the Warriors are THAT close.

  • RamboRaider

    You guys mention Dwight surrounded by a team of shooters not winning but you forget none of thos shooters xould ahoot as well as steph, create for others like steph, create their own shot like steph, nor take over a game like steph. The dubs shooters are wayyy more versatile than that magics team was and.Dwight was the only superstar there. In oakland dwight will have curry and lee to back him up. Curry demands an awful amount of attention that no one in orlando did besides dwight. I also dont recall dwight playing next to a pf as skilled as D. Lee either… I honestly believe dwight to the dubs would bring a ring to the bay, easy.

  • Referee

    Howard and Mark Jackson? A great team. If anyone can convince Howard to play team ball, it would be either Jackson or the other one, Phil.

    The Lakers might well go for a sign and trade to get something for Howard. The Warriors would be in a very strong bargaining position, and might be able to send a number of developing younger players to the Lakers, something they really need.

    Howard has to have shooters around him, because frankly he’s not that great a scorer, and doesn’t do well when double teamed. His choice should probably be Houston, if he wants a ring.

    I wonder if the Warriors aren’t better off as they are, but healthy. They are a combination of shooting, running, and if injuries hadn’t slowed them down, I think they would have been in the finals.

  • JDRSFO

    NO! He’s a big bottom! NO!

  • jsteez

    I’d prefer a healthy Bogut to a healthy Howard for the chemistry and defensive smarts Bogut brings, but we’re not talking about 2008 Bogut or 2011 Howard.

    If you’re the W’s you’d have to make the move b/c of the unique skills Howard has (and will have again next year – his back is getting better) and moreso because Bogut has a bad ankle, arm, and back, and when he runs he looks like he weighs 500 pounds. I just don’t think he’ll be right ever again.

    In the end, Howard should go to Houston where he can be a pick and roll center in the middle of 3 point shooters while collecting checks w/o 10% state taxes. His grand plan to be a marketing centerpiece (hence, L.A.) are kaput b/c he is a giant douche and everyone knows it.

  • Ron Taylor

    Let’s clear something up Brook Lopez is the best center in basketball !!!

  • Jim McClanahan

    Someone else told me that we should try to get Howard because Bogut isn’t a threat to score. Guess what? We don’t need him to play that role. We have all the people who can score that we need coming back (even without Jack). We’d have to give up a substantial part of the scoring talent (Thompson, Barnes, etc.) to make a deal. Bogut can change the game for scorers on the opposing teams. That’s important. Hopefully he will continue to improve his health and play bigger minutes. If not, Ezeli seems to have a pretty good up side to his potential. He may not be the man, but he can certainly spell the man.

  • jsteez

    RamboRaider – yes he would, assuming it only costs us Bogut +Klay/Harrison + draft pick + cap flotsam.

    Howard would erase a lot of shots, play 30+ minutes and be a beast on the pick and roll with Curry. Imagine Curry coming off double-screens from Lee/Dwight, Howard slicing to the rim, Lee popping to the elbow, and two 3-point snipers in the corners. Unstoppable. Curry has either 1) an open shot and Howard on the boards, 2) Lee open (with clean line to Howard in post), or 3) corner three as the strongside defender pinches on Howard.

  • http://thomasbyrd89@yahoo.com Thomas Byrd

    Bogut is a bad wheel waiting to fall off the axel,and we have a shooting guard playing the point.Curry is also a bad wheel waiting for the accident that will come to those tender ankles. You need a BEAST and DHoward can be that IF HE WANTS TO BE !!!! There is the problem. I could give up Bogut without a teardrop.Don’t need a center who can only play half a game a night.Every time Curry jumps I get the jitters.Howard,Barnes,Landry,Jack and Thompson.Now that’s my fantasy

  • tez

    Short answer: NO. Longer answer: HELL NO. Dwight may not be done, but he will probably never be the same. No big man has improved their game at this stage of their career, not to mention that he has been a locker room cancer on his last two teams. The Warriors are better than the sum of their parts because of their good chemistry. Let Ezeli develop into the big of the future or draft someone. Don’t cut off the club’s options for the likes of Howard.

  • derek

    Dwight Howard would be a huge upgrade over Bogut. Bogut is VERY injury prone and offensively limited. Bogut hasn’t played 20 straight games in 3 or 4 years. Defenders leave him alone due to his limited offensive ability.

  • Real J-Ridah

    The smartest move is to sign Jarrett Jack, let Landry go and sign Paul Milsap who is a FA to back up the 4/5 position. This keeps our core intact and improves our 1st big off the bench. BAM! WCF here we come!

  • Gunner

    Howard wants the ball dumped to him surrounded by stationary 3-pt shooters. The Dubs’ style is outside-in. It is a bad match unless Howard is willing to play a Bogut-like role, but he has already shown that he can’t live with this style aka Lakers.

    I would rather try to get Nowitzki or Love for Lee and one of Thompson/Barnes. We are more likely to win a championship this way. Having a pick-and-roll PF who can shoot 3s and rebound is like our playoffs performance on steriods!

  • Gunner

    The only way I am willing to take a chance on Howard is we only give up Bogut + Biedrins/Jefferson, without giving up Barnes/Thompson. It can only happen if Howard tells the Lakers that he is going to sign with Houston/Dallas/Atlanta outright if they are not doing this and they will get nothing in return. The Lakers might consider it because they get Bogut for Kobe’s final contract year, and everyone else in the trade is only under contract for 1 year. The Lakers are so over the cap already and if Dwight is aggressive in his negotiations, the Lakers cannot do much better than this trade.

    Is this likely to happen? I don’t think so, but it is certainly a remote possibility.

  • Larkspur Bob

    This is all mental masturbation. Let it all play out and trust that Bob Meyers and the entire front office know what they are doing. They sure did last year.

  • http://yahoo.com BenA.

    Any team wanting to disrupt a team’s chemistry could bring in Dwight H. Perhaps, he could be good only as reserve or a bench warmer. DW is the most overpaid player in the NBA. He is also one of the laziest. Ask Kobe.

  • Warriorsfan2k7

    Seriously people, we’re a good team but will never be a great team without real inside threat. Are you people seriously satisfy with second round? or maybe best we can go is conference final. Get real, All it matters is the championship, Howard was a beast, and he will be back once motivated. I’d soo gonna pick up that phone and call LA boss, they would surely take Bogut+Klay or Klay+Biedrin+Azeli. Klay is a great player, right now on market he’s worth better than Curry coz low salary, healthy, and great def. Trade him while hes hot, we will miss him but Howard is the Superman, either you like it or not. Im tired of GS never make any blockbuster trade since the days of dinosaurs. Remember we kept Ellis when he was hot? and ended up dumping him for Bogut+RJ? No risk no gain, guys.

  • Warriorsfan2k7

    On another note, NBA is a business, if you want attention and favors from the refs and the leage, you gotta have Superstars. Curry is on his way there, but not quite yet. If you want any chance of making the final, this is it. Bob please pick up the phone!

  • Galloz

    Bogut is all heart, stick with him. Aussie pride. He’ll bleed blue n yellow. No chance of gettin that outa big Howie

  • ACC

    A lot of people don’t realize that Bogut was playing hurt throughout the playoffs. He was something like 60% but he gave everything he got and that’s says a lot about the person’s character. IMO, I don’t see that in Howard. He only thinks of himself. Me first attitude. That is a sure cancer to any team he plays with. A 100% Bogut is a lot better than a 100% Howard IMO. A 100% Bogut does not only give the W’s an inside presence but he also facilitates. Yes, he does not score 18-20pts per game like Howard but what he makes up for is his unselfishness by making his teammates better. When Kobe was gone in the playoffs against the Spurs, where’s Howard? That was his shining moment to prove that he is the man but what happened? It was Gasol that did most of the work. When Lee got hurt, Bogut stepped up big time eventhough he was just 60% and the end result was very evident. Can you imagine a fully recovered, 100% Bogut patrolling the middle?

  • w2r4u7p0=[]asdfrjulp;’[ΩW12

    Signing Howard would be a huge error. The man would not fit, and I’d hate to see the Warriors lose one of their key guys in the process. Don’t do it,

  • Matthew

    Best center. Have you missed the entire playoffs so far? I would take Marc Gasol or Hibbert over Howard. And what offense, his post game is still lacking and I don’t consider catching lobs offense.

  • Savannah

    No, I can’t imagine Dwight on the GSW. What’s wrong with Bogut? He is a very good, and strong player and why should we give that up. Our team right now is amazing and we got months to improve. WE made it in the playoffs pretty far and the lakers fuked up bad. We don’t need or want Dwight! He already screwed over the Magic and Lakers and he doesn’t need to do it anymore.

  • AL

    To much to give up for Howard.

  • Marcus Thompson

    DA,

    I have been trying to find that out officially. But what I have been told is the Lakers can take back players in a sign-and-trade. They can’t get the player who was signed-and-traded. So they can’t go and get a free agent through the sign-and-trade method (like a Chris Paul). But they can get something instead of losing Dwight for nothing.
    That’s what I’ve been told but haven’t been able to confirm it without a doubt

  • CT

    I don’t see Dwight Howard winning a championship in his career, at least not as the best player/leader of the team. He had chances in Orlando and didn’t come through, this Lakers season isn’t a good judge due to all their injuries but I think it’s safe to say the Howard we knew isn’t the Howard of today. The conundrum of Howard never winning a championship is that he can’t accept not being the best player on the team but can’t win it all as the best player of the team.

  • CT

    It seems like the casual fans really want Howard because of the idea of what Dwight Howard can bring. There’s no question that Dwight Howard still has a lot of game in him, but he’s declining and is becoming more injury prone as well. This trend is chronicled in Bill Simmons’ latest column. The most important thing that all you pro-Dwight people have to realize is how important chemistry is when it comes to the game of basketball. If anyone is slacking off because they’re not getting the ball, not getting enough playing time or not getting introduced last in player intros, the entire team is impacted negatively. That’s what made this season so special. Everybody played within themsevles, nobody tried to do too much (with very few exceptions)and never for too long. That’s why they over-acheived. You add someone like Howard, you’re more likely to under-achieve. Now of course there’s always a chance that Howard grows up and becomes a mature player but there are virtually no signs of that coming anytime soon.. He just complained about Kupchak this week…

  • walkerp

    Just to repeat what I hope the majority of you already said.

    Hell no.

  • RamboRaider

    Only casual fans want D howard? Dwight didn’t get it done in Orlando so we should stick with bogut because he’s done what? Bogut is overhyped, we had bogut this year and his offensive prowess was a handicap for us. Bogut has no offensive presence whatsoever. When curry and klay went cold bogut did squat, we need a post player who can take some heat off of our shooters, sorry but bogut ain’t it… and if anyone believes bogut is a better big man than Dwight they’re delusional.

  • Stan

    Adding Howard is only a bad idea to those who thought trading Monta meant the Warriors had given up.

  • haasthemnan

    Dwight is a beast. We have the best shooter in the league and you couple him with a monster in the paint. I would give up either big and klay thompson to get howard. Howard and Lee together would be trouble. You could even play Jack and Curry together with Howard in the paint. We are now a stable franchise, we can handle Dwight. We have the perfect coach for Howard as well. If we can get Dwight, we’re gonna get dwight.

  • Warriorsfan2k7

    Just get real, what chance we have to get infinals without inside threat? ZERO

    We can “splash” our way thru regular season, but when facing hardcore defense in playoffs, how are we gonna win? We have skill, we have talent, we have heart, but ZERO strength. Physical strength, that’s what gonna win you championships in America. We just gotta give up some talent and skill for brute strength. And instead of hoping Bogut and Lee bringing 150% everygame (both are now injured), we better off just hoping Howard brining his heart to the bay. And I have plenty confidence in Jackson and the rest of the team to jell with Howard. Guys, we dont have a Kobe, vanGundy, or noD-antoni in the bay, I’m sure we have better chance to go deeper if pull this trade.

    Ofcourse there is risk, but with Howard we either fail, or become real contender. Otherwise, with this current team, we surely can make the postseaon,but not getting out of 1st round so whats the point.

    If you think we can get rings with just Curry and this supporting casts, you’re delusional

  • ^idiot

    Warriorsfan2k7, you’re an idiot.. I support and stand behind you with your statements, but at the end of your comment you state “Otherwise, with this current team, we surely can make the postseaon,but not getting out of 1st round so whats the point.”

    However we just took the Spurs to a game 6 in the 2nd round, this team will only get better.

  • john

    #52 we do need Bogut to score, why do you think san antonio finally shut down our shooters. Curry couldn’t use the pick and roll like parker could. When Parker got the pick they had to honor Duncan as a scorer and that freed up Parker. When Curry got the pick they both went to Curry because Bogut couldn’t score. That is why in game 6 they did the pick and roll where they tossed it to Bogut for the drive and dunk. He just didn’t have any juice left.
    I really believe that Bogut deserves 1 year at least to see if he can stay healthy. He is a much better fit for the warriors, he is a better passer and better heads up defender. If he can recover any of his form from a few years back, he will be ours to sign at the end of the year since we will be losing November tans and Jeffersons contract(14 mill I believe)

  • Young

    If Dwight is smart. He will leave the bay Alone.

    If he comes here with that cry baby nonsense he’s pulled for the last 2 years….we will let him have it.

    YouTube Lacobs booing for reference

  • Young

    Leave the actors in hollywood

  • deano

    The issue is not simply who is better: Howard or Bogut. The issue is whether Howard is better than 2/5 of GSW’s current Playoff team. GSW will have to give up Bogut and one of its core young players to get Howard. Here’s another consideration: Howard’s enormous contract will prevent GSW from any future moves of consequence. Think of the effect of David Lee’s contract, and then double it. Finally., I think the odds of Bogut returning to health are better than the odds of Howard lifting a decimated GSW squad into the Western Conference Finals, which is where we will be if Bogut does get healthy.

  • RamboRaider

    Deano, Dwight would be an upgrade over bogut. What team has bogut even carried even when healthy??? And klay can easily be replaced, he’s good but his skill set isn’t hard to replace. Klay isn’t very consistent,he’s really just a shooter, kevin martin 2.0. Big men like Dwight dont come around very often but shooters come around a dime a dozen.

  • earl monroe

    Who would have thought that the Warriors would have been the toughest match up for the Spurs in this years playoffs?

  • earl monroe

    I bet he ends up in Houston, and that would make them a tough team, a really tough team.

  • Nigel Tufnel

    You guys are overreacting to the drama. Yes, there has been drama, but calling Howard a “cancer”, a “headcase”, and a “clown” (all mentioned here) is going a bit far IMO. I think there would be less pressure here because there are no big egos right now in Oakland to clash with. Howard could be the #1 guy and Curry would be perfectly happy being the #1A guy. If Bogut and Klay gets it done, I say do it.

  • Stan

    DONT TRADE MONTA! HE’S OUR BEST PLAYER! WA-WA-WA. Howard is very good,Bogut is not healthy. And look how San Antone is crushing Memphis…the Warriors put up a fight to the end..

  • bill

    oh yeah let’s ship Bogut and one of our very young studs to our top rival the Lakers and help them out….yeah I can hear the pure logic in that….why not send Kupchak a basket of roses every day too?
    we have chemistry, the hardest element in success to find…so don’t screw it up….we don’t have a draft pick….unless we buy one but the last time we bought one it turned into Jeremy Tyler, big zero…..keep the core of this team, rehab Bogut…and buy out Biedrins and Jefferson if possible…OF COURSE they will take their options and millions if we let them, but they’re dead weight….the mistake on Biedrins goes back not as far as drafting the stooge but failing to amnesty him and instead dumping the drunk Charlie Bell….if Meyers is sharp (and most of us think he is) he won’t repeat colossal errors of the past, such as Biedrins….nice guy but a powderpuff……and are we not all sick to death of being told to wait another year? my god we’ve been waiting and waiting and waiting…..
    one more thing…..if we lose Malone, we lose our X and O guy and Jackson is not that guy….Malone is a priority higher than Jarrett Jack OR Landry….

  • RamboRaider

    You guys talk as if andrew bogut and klay thompson are superstars. Klay is a great SHOOTER and servicible defender thats it. He’s not top 5 sg in the league and hes not irriplaceble either. Bogut is a good big mAn not great, hes noy a top 5 big nor top 10 in my eyes but Dwights ceiling is top 5 at the LEAST. Boguts going to ne in no ones hall of fame anytime soon so we can trade him and he will not be missed. We’re talking about trading klay thompson and andrew bogut here people… You guys act like we’re talking about trading kobe and shaq. Bogut is Mr. Glass from unbreakable and klay is inconsistent, he blew up for all of 1 game against the spurs then dissapeared for the rest of the series atleast bogut and steph can say they were battling injuries klay has no excuse. So yes for a potential hall of famer and top 5 player at his position ill trade bogut and klay for Dwight howard w/o blinking.

  • RamboRaider

    Bogut and klay are role players. When teams come to play the warriors they dont say omg how will we ever stop bogut and klay thompson, but bess believe they sleep a little less at night prepping for Dwight and steph.

  • young

    problem with howard is, his ego…

    When he’s on the floor all ball rotation stops bc he demands the ball in the post.

    Question is, do we want steph waiting for a kick out / spotting up all game? Will he accept that after this kind of success?

    I’d rather see if bogut get’s healthy.

  • RamboRaider

    That whole dwight ego thing is over played, and we never heard about dwight complaining about touches until he got to la where KOBE dominates the ball and addmitedy stated he doesnt believe in passing the ball because hid (kobe) mindset is to score. Here in gs everyone touches the ball and there is no alpha dog. Kobe is the problem with the lakers, read the quotes from players like smush parker, shaq, andrew bynum and etc… When Dwight left orlando it was because he felt they didnt get him players who could take some of the pressure off of him, in la its kobe and touches. He’ll fit in here and love it if he comes, im sure of that. Read what jalen rose had to say about a dwight and goldenstate marriage… Google it.

  • young
  • Suttree

    Don’t think we should even want Howard at this point.

  • Gunner

    Everyone needs to understand that the Lakers have no leverage in a sign-and-trade in the new CBA. Yes, the Warriors need a Lakers sign-and-trade if Howard decides to join the Dubs. BUT HE IS NOT GOING TO MAKE MORE THROUGH A SIGN-AND-TRADE. He is going to get the same 4-year ~$80M contract if he signs with Dallas/Houson. So if the Lakers drag on the negotiation, Howard will just sign outright with another team for the same deal, and the Lakers will get NOTHING!

  • Gunner

    So the Lakers might get a package like Bogut + Barnes/Thompson + draft picks in the OLD CBA because Howard is willing to work with them for (1) a longer, bigger contract and (2) for a team he preferred. However, in the new CBA, factor (1) is not valid anymore.

  • dubs4champ

    MT, love your work. Like this article even though there is almost zero percent chance of happening. And, yes, without a question Dwight is worth Bogut+Klay.

    When dubs traded Tyler and Jenkins, we are supposed to get couple of 2nd rd draft picks, do you know the conditions for those draft picks ? Seems like we can use them with 20 mils of dead weight contracts in Jefferson and Biedrins and with Jack and Landry almost gone.

  • ssgman

    RamboRaider, your views on Thompson are waaay off base. He is an excellent defender–he’s been the only one to slow Parker down one on one in the playoffs. Thompson also works his butt off in the offseason and is going to improve every year and will continue to improve year after year. He is going to be a perennial All Star.
    I don’t know what Barnes’ work ethic is but he is already very good and has the potential to be a monster.
    Give the W’s some credit, if Curry hadn’t reinjured his ankle in game 4 the W’s could have won the series–this after smoking everyone’s darling pick Denver!
    LA and Memphis weren’t even bumps in the road for the Spurs. The W’s are a LOT better than you are giving them credit for.

  • RamboRaider

    Ok well if the lakers have no leverage tell them to take bogut and richard jefferson plus a draft pick or leave it. Atleast they get a solid big in return.

  • Geo77

    I’m looking forward to next season with or without D. Howard. I wouldn’t mind having him – I think the ego and cancer stuff is overblown. I think coming to a team full of high character guys where he doesn’t need to be the answer would do a world of good for his career. That being said I wouldn’t give up Thompson or Barnes as part of a sign and trade. I’d give up Lee, but don’t think LA would want Bogut because of the unknowns with medical issues.

    How about D. Lee and we sign and trade J. Jack for Howard? Jack gets his big contract and gets to be the #1 point guard for a contender. Otherwise how about D. Lee, Rush and Ezeli for Howard and a throw in player? I’d go for those deals. Bottom line though, the new front office is smart and I will trust that they will do the right thing.

  • Gunner

    @Geo77: the Lakers won’t want Lee because they want to have salary cap room in 2014 (Lebron James etc will be FAs). So they prefer expiring contracts who can play. They can take Bogut and Jefferson, or watch Dwight go to Dallas/Houston and get nothing.

  • RamboRaider

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp432x5xMqQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    For all those hating on dwight… Look what he’s capable of when healthy. Bogit has never dominated a game like this on both ends. Dwight is a forc and mixed with curry… Oh my, there is no telling what they could accomplish.

  • RamboRaider

    @ssgman… Dont get me wrong I think klay has potential but I dont think his ceiling is as high as barnes or currys, and neither do I think his star will rise higher than dwights either which.is why I wouldnt mind moving him. Idk, just too many times this season klay has blown up for a big game then dissapeared for the next 2 or 3, and not just in the playoffs but in season as well. The inconsistency is what makes him expendable imo, plus his lack of court vision as well. I think hes good but not great, like I said I see kevin martin when I look at klay… But anyways im not the only one who noticed klays dissapearing acts… Watch below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi-xvoWDBH4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • RamboRaider

    Scoring 2 guards are easier to find and replace than dominate big men. Think about it…

  • RamboRaider

    10 bigs better than bogut…

    1. Marc Gasol
    2. Brook Lopez
    3. Dwight Howard
    4. Roy Hibbert
    5. Demarcus Cousins
    6. Tim Duncan
    7. Joakim Noah
    8. Serge Ibaka
    9. Al Jefferson
    10. Andrew Bynum

    But only 1 of them make plays like these…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDeUWTbeBvo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • Flago

    Who is the complete idiot who compared Howard to Olajuwon?

  • Trees Forever

    No, no, and NO!

    Howard is a self-centered, locker room cancer. The Warriors have a bunch of young guys who will succumb to his act.

    Bogut is fine as a second-tier big man, provided that Lee, Curry, and Thompson are healthy and scoring. What the roster really needs is a lockdown defensive guard who can take the other team’s scorer out of the game. Kirk Hinrich comes to mind.

  • RamboRaider

    Nah, they need someone who can score in the paint and draw fouls. I’d rather have tyreke evans than klay thompson and i’d rather have howard than bogut. Howard was 1 of the most likeable players in the league until he got to hollywood. I think hes moreso in a bad situation than a bad guy…

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